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On November 04 2016 05:23 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 05:09 Calix wrote:On November 04 2016 05:04 Tictock wrote:
Actually didn't someone mention that Skynx said he tries to open scummy to see who goes after him?
If that's true then I have to throw out my line of thought about his early game. Clearly scum!Skynx would try to replicate that type of play from his towngames. Eh? Your first line is correct. Skynx claims that he acts scummy to see who goes for the low-hanging fruit as a town tactic. Your conclusion is making me scratch my head. I don't see how learning about Skynx' play-style -> thinking he'd replicate it as scum -> entrance posts are null. Because I was giving his early posts a townlean because he was drawing attn to himself and scum tend to not want to do that. However if Skynx has an established meta (and more importantly is self aware of it) of playing scummy at the start of the game to draw attention then my initial thinking no longer applies. Scum!skynx would go out of his way to act scummy at the start simply to replicate that aspect of his townplay. And thinking about it more this was it would make Skynx's early posts make more sense if he is scum trying to replicate his bad start of day play. Stuff like calling the entire early game NAI, and complaining about reading constantly make a bit more sense coming from scum trolling than town trolling. However this is prob a line of thought that only makes sense to me.
Wouldn't his early posts draw attention to themselves anyway? He was called out as a whiny bitch and got some scum-reads (the attention) and then he stepped it up. (the reaction)
I don't see how Skynx being self-aware of his meta detracts from the fact that his posts would grab attention or from the fact that his reaction was - in my eyes - townie.
(also I know that he's busy with uni so I don't think him going "emergerd so much to read" is AI)
So yes, your last paragraph is moon-logic at best, doubt-casting at worst.
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On November 04 2016 05:27 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 05:19 Calix wrote:On November 04 2016 05:16 Tictock wrote:On November 04 2016 05:06 Calix wrote:
I don't think ExO being defensive is scummy although yes, his case and tunnel against me was bad. It can also be coming from the POV of an overzealous townie. I believe that he's tunneled before as town, no?
However I'm having a hard time thinking that given that he just popped in to slap the third vote on your train and didn't even explain himself until I asked -_- I really do think Exo should be the lynch today. Seems way too likely that he is scum to me, but hey even if he isn't we can see he isn't adding anything to the game and is only VT so not a bad lynch right? + Show Spoiler +Kinda joking there... kinda... I might even try and write another case about him later if I feel like it. Also I might cry a little if I get mislynched D1 two games in a row... I wouldn't say that Rels added anything new to the game either. He hasn't claimed VT but I think your argument is applicable to him as well. Meanwhile ExO was the reason that the game kicked off the way that it did with how he reacted. If you're town and you get mislynched on D1 yet again, that would be hilarious. Nah, I stand by what I said about Rels. His posts seem like he is just adding what thoughts he has to the game, not posting stuff to try and look good. Why do you seem to want to TR Exo so bad?
Are you implying that ExO/ Calix is a possible scum team? If not, why ask the question?
That's also an ignorant question to ask to begin with. I initially town-read ExO and have recently expressed doubts about that given his sub-par posting...which were in the posts that you responded to.
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On November 04 2016 05:30 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 05:27 Tictock wrote:On November 04 2016 05:19 Calix wrote:On November 04 2016 05:16 Tictock wrote:On November 04 2016 05:06 Calix wrote:
I don't think ExO being defensive is scummy although yes, his case and tunnel against me was bad. It can also be coming from the POV of an overzealous townie. I believe that he's tunneled before as town, no?
However I'm having a hard time thinking that given that he just popped in to slap the third vote on your train and didn't even explain himself until I asked -_- I really do think Exo should be the lynch today. Seems way too likely that he is scum to me, but hey even if he isn't we can see he isn't adding anything to the game and is only VT so not a bad lynch right? + Show Spoiler +Kinda joking there... kinda... I might even try and write another case about him later if I feel like it. Also I might cry a little if I get mislynched D1 two games in a row... I wouldn't say that Rels added anything new to the game either. He hasn't claimed VT but I think your argument is applicable to him as well. Meanwhile ExO was the reason that the game kicked off the way that it did with how he reacted. If you're town and you get mislynched on D1 yet again, that would be hilarious. Nah, I stand by what I said about Rels. His posts seem like he is just adding what thoughts he has to the game, not posting stuff to try and look good. Why do you seem to want to TR Exo so bad? Are you implying that ExO/ Calix is a possible scum team? If not, why ask the question? That's also an ignorant question to ask to begin with. I initially town-read ExO and have recently expressed doubts about that given his sub-par posting... which were in the posts that you responded to.
Your town reading of me doesn't necessarily have to be attached to both of us being scum. It could be only you being scum
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On November 04 2016 05:28 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 05:16 Tictock wrote:On November 04 2016 05:06 Calix wrote:
I don't think ExO being defensive is scummy although yes, his case and tunnel against me was bad. It can also be coming from the POV of an overzealous townie. I believe that he's tunneled before as town, no?
However I'm having a hard time thinking that given that he just popped in to slap the third vote on your train and didn't even explain himself until I asked -_- I really do think Exo should be the lynch today. Seems way too likely that he is scum to me, but hey even if he isn't we can see he isn't adding anything to the game and is only VT so not a bad lynch right? + Show Spoiler +Kinda joking there... kinda... I might even try and write another case about him later if I feel like it. Also I might cry a little if I get mislynched D1 two games in a row... Either you believe my VT claim, or you don't. It's interesting logic to me that you would be okay with lynching me because "I'm only VT" if you don't believe my VT claim.
Is this really all you're gonna contribute? Your filter is so subpar right now and you going back to the VT claim stuff?
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On November 04 2016 05:31 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 05:30 Calix wrote:On November 04 2016 05:27 Tictock wrote:On November 04 2016 05:19 Calix wrote:On November 04 2016 05:16 Tictock wrote:On November 04 2016 05:06 Calix wrote:
I don't think ExO being defensive is scummy although yes, his case and tunnel against me was bad. It can also be coming from the POV of an overzealous townie. I believe that he's tunneled before as town, no?
However I'm having a hard time thinking that given that he just popped in to slap the third vote on your train and didn't even explain himself until I asked -_- I really do think Exo should be the lynch today. Seems way too likely that he is scum to me, but hey even if he isn't we can see he isn't adding anything to the game and is only VT so not a bad lynch right? + Show Spoiler +Kinda joking there... kinda... I might even try and write another case about him later if I feel like it. Also I might cry a little if I get mislynched D1 two games in a row... I wouldn't say that Rels added anything new to the game either. He hasn't claimed VT but I think your argument is applicable to him as well. Meanwhile ExO was the reason that the game kicked off the way that it did with how he reacted. If you're town and you get mislynched on D1 yet again, that would be hilarious. Nah, I stand by what I said about Rels. His posts seem like he is just adding what thoughts he has to the game, not posting stuff to try and look good. Why do you seem to want to TR Exo so bad? Are you implying that ExO/ Calix is a possible scum team? If not, why ask the question? That's also an ignorant question to ask to begin with. I initially town-read ExO and have recently expressed doubts about that given his sub-par posting... which were in the posts that you responded to. Your town reading of me doesn't necessarily have to be attached to both of us being scum. It could be only you being scum
That doesn't override my point where I provide evidence countering his "Calix is trying too hard to town-read ExO" implication.
Go and do something useful please. You just voted for TT yet you are not helping question him. What gives?
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On November 04 2016 05:33 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 05:28 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 05:16 Tictock wrote:On November 04 2016 05:06 Calix wrote:
I don't think ExO being defensive is scummy although yes, his case and tunnel against me was bad. It can also be coming from the POV of an overzealous townie. I believe that he's tunneled before as town, no?
However I'm having a hard time thinking that given that he just popped in to slap the third vote on your train and didn't even explain himself until I asked -_- I really do think Exo should be the lynch today. Seems way too likely that he is scum to me, but hey even if he isn't we can see he isn't adding anything to the game and is only VT so not a bad lynch right? + Show Spoiler +Kinda joking there... kinda... I might even try and write another case about him later if I feel like it. Also I might cry a little if I get mislynched D1 two games in a row... Either you believe my VT claim, or you don't. It's interesting logic to me that you would be okay with lynching me because "I'm only VT" if you don't believe my VT claim. Is this really all you're gonna contribute? Your filter is so subpar right now and you going back to the VT claim stuff?
Are you going to ignore the inconsistency with Ticktock here? HE brought up that I was only VT, not me, and I responded that it makes no sense to kill me because I'm only VT if you don't believe my VT claim.
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On November 04 2016 04:01 darthfoley wrote:
Why'd you change your vote off of mahrgell to Skynx?
Mahrgell is still sus, I just realized that Skynx had been posting a bunch of nothingness and wanted him to step up his game.
Then that icky post where he calls himself low hanging fruit made my vote stickier.
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On November 04 2016 05:33 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 05:31 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 05:30 Calix wrote:On November 04 2016 05:27 Tictock wrote:On November 04 2016 05:19 Calix wrote:On November 04 2016 05:16 Tictock wrote:On November 04 2016 05:06 Calix wrote:
I don't think ExO being defensive is scummy although yes, his case and tunnel against me was bad. It can also be coming from the POV of an overzealous townie. I believe that he's tunneled before as town, no?
However I'm having a hard time thinking that given that he just popped in to slap the third vote on your train and didn't even explain himself until I asked -_- I really do think Exo should be the lynch today. Seems way too likely that he is scum to me, but hey even if he isn't we can see he isn't adding anything to the game and is only VT so not a bad lynch right? + Show Spoiler +Kinda joking there... kinda... I might even try and write another case about him later if I feel like it. Also I might cry a little if I get mislynched D1 two games in a row... I wouldn't say that Rels added anything new to the game either. He hasn't claimed VT but I think your argument is applicable to him as well. Meanwhile ExO was the reason that the game kicked off the way that it did with how he reacted. If you're town and you get mislynched on D1 yet again, that would be hilarious. Nah, I stand by what I said about Rels. His posts seem like he is just adding what thoughts he has to the game, not posting stuff to try and look good. Why do you seem to want to TR Exo so bad? Are you implying that ExO/ Calix is a possible scum team? If not, why ask the question? That's also an ignorant question to ask to begin with. I initially town-read ExO and have recently expressed doubts about that given his sub-par posting... which were in the posts that you responded to. Your town reading of me doesn't necessarily have to be attached to both of us being scum. It could be only you being scum That doesn't override my point where I provide evidence countering his "Calix is trying too hard to town-read ExO" implication. Go and do something useful please. You just voted for TT yet you are not helping question him. What gives?
read please
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On November 04 2016 04:13 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 01:18 Foreman wrote:On November 04 2016 00:14 Skynx wrote:On November 04 2016 00:04 Foreman wrote:
##Vote: Skynx
I've yet to see one productive post from this guy, and it's hard to remember that he's even in the game. I'm here, still reading all the shitty posts unfortunately and that takes time. Also, congratz for exposing yourself for going after a low-hanging fruit. Seriously? Who calls themselves low hanging fruit? That's such a crap defense. I'd have expected reasons for his lack of activity and dismissive posts, but he's coming across as "expect this all the time". Stand by the facts. I was just an emo at this point to most people including you. Just before i posted some actual reads. I was the definition of low hanging fruit. Thats not a defence, thats an accusation for you going for someone whos just raging about the game rather than post your thoughts on actual playing people some of which you were definitely scumreading at this point.
Bullshit.
You were active lurking. You got called out on active lurking. You decided you better do something to avoid scrutiny.
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Foreman, can you give your thoughts on Skynx' wall-posts?
As for ExO, I missed #600. I'm not sure I agree. He says "I think ExO is scum but if he isn't then he's only a VT and is useless so he can die"
He thinks you're scum, ergo you're lying about being VT. All he does is rule out the possibility of you being TPR. I don't see inconsistency here.
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On November 04 2016 05:30 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 05:27 Tictock wrote:On November 04 2016 05:19 Calix wrote:On November 04 2016 05:16 Tictock wrote:On November 04 2016 05:06 Calix wrote:
I don't think ExO being defensive is scummy although yes, his case and tunnel against me was bad. It can also be coming from the POV of an overzealous townie. I believe that he's tunneled before as town, no?
However I'm having a hard time thinking that given that he just popped in to slap the third vote on your train and didn't even explain himself until I asked -_- I really do think Exo should be the lynch today. Seems way too likely that he is scum to me, but hey even if he isn't we can see he isn't adding anything to the game and is only VT so not a bad lynch right? + Show Spoiler +Kinda joking there... kinda... I might even try and write another case about him later if I feel like it. Also I might cry a little if I get mislynched D1 two games in a row... I wouldn't say that Rels added anything new to the game either. He hasn't claimed VT but I think your argument is applicable to him as well. Meanwhile ExO was the reason that the game kicked off the way that it did with how he reacted. If you're town and you get mislynched on D1 yet again, that would be hilarious. Nah, I stand by what I said about Rels. His posts seem like he is just adding what thoughts he has to the game, not posting stuff to try and look good. Why do you seem to want to TR Exo so bad? Are you implying that ExO/ Calix is a possible scum team? If not, why ask the question? That's also an ignorant question to ask to begin with. I initially town-read ExO and have recently expressed doubts about that given his sub-par posting... which were in the posts that you responded to.
I know you started to change your mind, and no I don't really think you two are on a team.
Neither of those points matter, I just wanted to know what had you thinking Exo was town before.
I actually do read and usually double check stuff before I ask questions you know.
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On November 03 2016 23:21 Tictock wrote:
So... Kinda meh about Rels so far.
About the only thing I actually liked from him was the post about the VT claim.
Rels what happened to you? Your play the past few games is like your heart just isn't in it anymore.
Nothing, just not a lot of time. But my motivation is still there, I mean I thought about the game all afternoon. p:
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On November 04 2016 05:41 Calix wrote:
Foreman, can you give your thoughts on Skynx' wall-posts?
As for ExO, I missed #600. I'm not sure I agree. He says "I think ExO is scum but if he isn't then he's only a VT and is useless so he can die"
He thinks you're scum, ergo you're lying about being VT. All he does is rule out the possibility of you being TPR. I don't see inconsistency here.
Or I'm lying about being VT to get scum to not mess with me on day 1. However look at the way he posts. He knows I'm only VT.
You need to learn to read between the lines. Mafia are never going to come into the thread and announce they are mafia
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On November 03 2016 23:41 mahrgell wrote:
About Rels. I agree with basically none of his reads, pretty apparent with his 3 top town being my top scum. But there is one thing you can't blame him for: Trying to blend in. I would love to see him explaining his controversial reads.
Mainly I'm interested in:
- why does he town NU
- why does he town Foreman - I can see people not agreeing my concerns regarding foreman, but seriously, what has he done to make him a townread???)
- what makes foley scummy? - "hates post" okay... Tell me more.
Share your thought process. I haven't seen any reasoning on those reads and admit they don't make sense to me.
I townread NU mainly for a pretty bad reason: that he posted his "mafia metric" team. This is a pretty awful reason 'cause it's based on out-of-the-game thing but that's my main reason to believe NU is town. Outside of that his attitude is also pretty townie and matches the town meta I know of him.
Foreman, I read a lot of posts where he was just blunt and not posting BS. I think his tone is super townie.
DF I'll have to reread, I just thought his entrance post was super bad.
More on everything when I'm caught up and can reread filters.
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On November 04 2016 05:42 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 05:30 Calix wrote:On November 04 2016 05:27 Tictock wrote:On November 04 2016 05:19 Calix wrote:On November 04 2016 05:16 Tictock wrote:On November 04 2016 05:06 Calix wrote:
I don't think ExO being defensive is scummy although yes, his case and tunnel against me was bad. It can also be coming from the POV of an overzealous townie. I believe that he's tunneled before as town, no?
However I'm having a hard time thinking that given that he just popped in to slap the third vote on your train and didn't even explain himself until I asked -_- I really do think Exo should be the lynch today. Seems way too likely that he is scum to me, but hey even if he isn't we can see he isn't adding anything to the game and is only VT so not a bad lynch right? + Show Spoiler +Kinda joking there... kinda... I might even try and write another case about him later if I feel like it. Also I might cry a little if I get mislynched D1 two games in a row... I wouldn't say that Rels added anything new to the game either. He hasn't claimed VT but I think your argument is applicable to him as well. Meanwhile ExO was the reason that the game kicked off the way that it did with how he reacted. If you're town and you get mislynched on D1 yet again, that would be hilarious. Nah, I stand by what I said about Rels. His posts seem like he is just adding what thoughts he has to the game, not posting stuff to try and look good. Why do you seem to want to TR Exo so bad? Are you implying that ExO/ Calix is a possible scum team? If not, why ask the question? That's also an ignorant question to ask to begin with. I initially town-read ExO and have recently expressed doubts about that given his sub-par posting... which were in the posts that you responded to. I know you started to change your mind, and no I don't really think you two are on a team. Neither of those points matter, I just wanted to know what had you thinking Exo was town before. I actually do read and usually double check stuff before I ask questions you know.
Because I think his defensiveness/ role claim/ tunneling are anti-town behaviours. I don't see a compelling scum narrative for enacting such behaviours.
The only one which I can see for ExO is: scum!ExO sees Calix's question -> scum!ExO thinks that he can use the question to spin a scum narrative on Calix -> scum!ExO goes hard on Calix in hopes of starting a bandwagon -> scum!ExO goes in too deep and gets a shitload of unwanted attention on him -> scum!ExO retires from the thread until attention goes away before he retracts his Calix scum-read.
I feel like the townie explanation is a bit simpler though.
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On November 04 2016 05:34 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 05:33 darthfoley wrote:On November 04 2016 05:28 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 05:16 Tictock wrote:On November 04 2016 05:06 Calix wrote:
I don't think ExO being defensive is scummy although yes, his case and tunnel against me was bad. It can also be coming from the POV of an overzealous townie. I believe that he's tunneled before as town, no?
However I'm having a hard time thinking that given that he just popped in to slap the third vote on your train and didn't even explain himself until I asked -_- I really do think Exo should be the lynch today. Seems way too likely that he is scum to me, but hey even if he isn't we can see he isn't adding anything to the game and is only VT so not a bad lynch right? + Show Spoiler +Kinda joking there... kinda... I might even try and write another case about him later if I feel like it. Also I might cry a little if I get mislynched D1 two games in a row... Either you believe my VT claim, or you don't. It's interesting logic to me that you would be okay with lynching me because "I'm only VT" if you don't believe my VT claim. Is this really all you're gonna contribute? Your filter is so subpar right now and you going back to the VT claim stuff? Are you going to ignore the inconsistency with Ticktock here? HE brought up that I was only VT, not me, and I responded that it makes no sense to kill me because I'm only VT if you don't believe my VT claim.
Interesting... I wonder if there was a reason that I included that little spoiler in that post...
Nah couldn't be. I don't think about what I post.
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On November 04 2016 05:44 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 05:41 Calix wrote:
Foreman, can you give your thoughts on Skynx' wall-posts?
As for ExO, I missed #600. I'm not sure I agree. He says "I think ExO is scum but if he isn't then he's only a VT and is useless so he can die"
He thinks you're scum, ergo you're lying about being VT. All he does is rule out the possibility of you being TPR. I don't see inconsistency here. Or I'm lying about being VT to get scum to not mess with me on day 1. However look at the way he posts. He knows I'm only VT. You need to learn to read between the lines. Mafia are never going to come into the thread and announce they are mafia
How would scum!TT know that you, the town!ExO, is telling the truth and that you're not a TPR exactly? I don't follow the "he knows I'm only VT" part.
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On November 04 2016 05:49 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 05:44 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 05:41 Calix wrote:
Foreman, can you give your thoughts on Skynx' wall-posts?
As for ExO, I missed #600. I'm not sure I agree. He says "I think ExO is scum but if he isn't then he's only a VT and is useless so he can die"
He thinks you're scum, ergo you're lying about being VT. All he does is rule out the possibility of you being TPR. I don't see inconsistency here. Or I'm lying about being VT to get scum to not mess with me on day 1. However look at the way he posts. He knows I'm only VT. You need to learn to read between the lines. Mafia are never going to come into the thread and announce they are mafia How would scum!TT know that you, the town!ExO, is telling the truth and that you're not a TPR exactly? I don't follow the "he knows I'm only VT" part.
He wouldn't. However, he would had no problem killing me if he's scum (especially if he's scum and suspect I'm a power role). Does this make sense to you or do I need to break it down entirely?
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On November 04 2016 05:53 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2016 05:49 Calix wrote:On November 04 2016 05:44 ExO_ wrote:On November 04 2016 05:41 Calix wrote:
Foreman, can you give your thoughts on Skynx' wall-posts?
As for ExO, I missed #600. I'm not sure I agree. He says "I think ExO is scum but if he isn't then he's only a VT and is useless so he can die"
He thinks you're scum, ergo you're lying about being VT. All he does is rule out the possibility of you being TPR. I don't see inconsistency here. Or I'm lying about being VT to get scum to not mess with me on day 1. However look at the way he posts. He knows I'm only VT. You need to learn to read between the lines. Mafia are never going to come into the thread and announce they are mafia How would scum!TT know that you, the town!ExO, is telling the truth and that you're not a TPR exactly? I don't follow the "he knows I'm only VT" part. He wouldn't. However, he would had no problem killing me if he's scum (especially if he's scum and suspect I'm a power role). Does this make sense to you or do I need to break it down entirely?
ELI5
I'm running into a problem that is rare for me - I have way too many town-reads. Needless to say, I'm having a hard time here.
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