Newbie Student Mafia XXIV - Page 30

On November 04 2016 04:30 ExO_ wrote:


I didn't like his filter and trust skynx

On November 04 2016 04:40 Calix wrote:


If you're referring to #467 then allow me to go into more detail:

- I agree with the part about ExO. My question was a reasonable thing to ask, simple as that, and it's undeniable that ExO overreacted.

- I disagree that it makes ExO scum though which is what TT thinks.

- I don't understand why you call his scum-read on ExO OMGUS unless I misunderstood something.

- Your most valid point is his read on you compared to his read on ExO which he doesn't explain well. (the last part) I think you could have cut out the rest of your case since it's your best point.

Otherwise yes, I think his responses were fine.

On November 04 2016 04:48 Skynx wrote:

Well i guess first point is opinion dependant then.

However i wont accept that he's still presenting dropping the gif game as wifom scumplay.

He also associated Exo with Foreman for absolutely no apparent reason and didn't touch that at all on his response which i noticed now.

On November 03 2016 22:26 Tictock wrote:


Even if you had an amazing reason to push Calix I'm not sure she ever qualifies as "low hanging fruit"

I think Skynx is currently holding the low hanging fruit award.

On November 04 2016 04:05 Calix wrote:


I'm not sure I follow your point. Does mahrgell say "Rels disagreeing with me on XYZ reads is bad" and uses the "but he's controversial" part as a mitigating factor? I can kind of see an argument for "he's hedging on Rels" but I'm not sure if that was what you were implying.

I'd appreciate some clarification on your thought process here

On November 03 2016 06:49 mahrgell wrote:


How many you need? You obviously ignored all my posts about yourself.

But let's summarize and update:
Looking at your entire post history, I try to figure out how you managed to come to the conclusion you have. If you have no information about the game, you should have seen the same as me. And yet somehow you managed to take another turn at pretty much every point in the game. So far all your actions have been about the opposite of what I would expect from someone who saw the same as I did, with the same information I have. (none).

1) you see the Calix vs Exo_ interaction and for weird reasons tunnel down on Calix. Was she(it seems like Calix is a she?) pushing Exo? I don't think so. If she was, I agree it was pointless, but well... Day1. You were sure she was pushing Exo. Okay... Happy tunneling.
2) so you chase after people for having the antitown-proscum conversation, just to push that conversation further. If it was in your interest to remove this discussion from the thread to steer the game in a more town friendly direction, you should probably not try to last word in that conversation.
3) Next Calix asks you about NU. Instead of answering, you refuse to answer at all, because you consider Calix scum. I believe enough people pointed out at this point that this is pretty anti-town. Considering you being worried about the town atmosphere before, this is rather ironic.
4) I ask you about NU too. You dismiss it as parroting. Besides the fact that I consider it not parroting, but admit, that my critique on NU was very similar to Calix (earlier, not her latest) posts, let's for a moment assume it was parroting. At this point you claimed to scumlean Calix, but didn't say anything about me. If I were a townie, and see someone else parrot a person I consider scum... I for sure as hell would do my best to get this person to stop sheeping a scummie. Either you turn on me right away, or you try to get me away from her. Instead you just dismissed me. If I was sheeping Calix and you considered her scum, you willingly gave her an additional vote.
5) Your general contribution to this thread has never been in the interest of improving the atmosphere. In none of the mentioned points have you ever tried for a constructive conversation. And your latest responses to NU weren't better either. Not sure if it was in this thread or in the other one, but when you asked about the TL meta someone (NU?) answered: "Be wrong and a dick about it" This is exactly what I see you doing here.


I guess you earned it
##Vote Foreman

On November 04 2016 04:44 Calix wrote:
I maintain that Rels is a good lynch to be honest.

TT seems to have arrived, however. Let's see if he blows me away with some super-townie posts or whatever.

On November 04 2016 04:46 Calix wrote:
I'd like TT to clarify his reads on ExO and Skynx, especially with reference to that "attention-seeking" thing. I found that hard to follow.

On November 04 2016 04:56 darthfoley wrote:


So basically, mahrgell's top scum read is Foreman. It should be followed by Rels, if he were actually following his gameplan he laid out earlier.



The bolded is exactly why he should be scum leaning Rels. Rels vs. Mahrgell reads are 100% different, yet mahrgell feels the need to say that "it's weird that Rels thinks 100% opposite of me, but hey let's give him the benefit of the doubt and let him explain himself before i lean him one way or another!!!" this was not the same way he dealt with Foreman.

It is fine to say, "i'm scum leaning Rels for now, cuz his reads are so wack-- but I'll hear him out." He doesn't say this; he says a null tell on someone, who by his logic, should not be null. It would be less sus if this was in the first few hours of the game, but we've been in D1 for over 24 hours, so Rels (according to mahrgell's logic) should be starting to view the game in the same way.

On November 04 2016 04:58 darthfoley wrote:
TL;DR mahrgell's read on Rels is surprisingly safe considering that Rels is viewing town completely opposite from mahrgell; this is a supposed scum tell from earlier, yet he doesn't scum tell him.

I'm arguing more for mahrgell being sus than Rels btw. The team thing was a little facetious

On November 03 2016 22:32 Rels wrote:

I really don't understand how these two can be your top town.
Marghell is so soft in his stances to me it screams scuuuuuum.
You played with me in a game where Calix played a very, very stgrong scumgame: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/513316-newbie-student-mafia-xxiii, so I don't understand how Calix can be top town in your mind when she has done nothing incredibly townie.

On November 04 2016 04:58 Tictock wrote:


Nope.



Ok.

Skynx's early posts:
+ Show Spoiler +

Exo's:
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Skynx starts off complaining, and when called out responds with similar attitude.

Exo claims, makes a gif post, then gets all defensive and aggressive about your questions. Takes that into a serious mode by turning it into a case on you.

Skynx continued his bad posting even after getting called out. Exo immediately got upset you called out his not posting gifs and got super defensive about it.

I'm amazed you guys even try to draw a comparison here, there is a very clear difference in their opening play.

On November 04 2016 05:04 Tictock wrote:
Actually didn't someone mention that Skynx said he tries to open scummy to see who goes after him?

If that's true then I have to throw out my line of thought about his early game. Clearly scum!Skynx would try to replicate that type of play from his towngames.

On November 04 2016 05:03 mahrgell wrote:


Wtf? I have Rels on null. With a clear anouncement that I consider him scumlean if he does not deliver a good explanation. Are you even reading?

And as you asked for the contrast to Foreman: I asked him out too. just that he refused any kind of answer with his amazing style, and went on doing exactly what I criticized.
If Rels continues doing completely unfounded reads you are right, he will be the same as Foreman. But so far... he has not responded, so I keep him on Null. If he wonnt respond at all until end of the day... I will go with what I said so for: scumlean him. (which in return would have to make me rethink my other scumleans... having too many is not a situation im comfortable with)

On November 04 2016 05:06 Calix wrote:
I don't think ExO being defensive is scummy although yes, his case and tunnel against me was bad. It can also be coming from the POV of an overzealous townie. I believe that he's tunneled before as town, no?

However I'm having a hard time thinking that given that he just popped in to slap the third vote on your train and didn't even explain himself until I asked -_-

On November 04 2016 05:16 Tictock wrote:


I really do think Exo should be the lynch today.

Seems way too likely that he is scum to me, but hey even if he isn't we can see he isn't adding anything to the game and is only VT so not a bad lynch right?

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I might even try and write another case about him later if I feel like it.

Also I might cry a little if I get mislynched D1 two games in a row...

On November 04 2016 05:09 Calix wrote:


Eh?

Your first line is correct. Skynx claims that he acts scummy to see who goes for the low-hanging fruit as a town tactic.

Your conclusion is making me scratch my head. I don't see how learning about Skynx' play-style -> thinking he'd replicate it as scum -> entrance posts are null.

On November 04 2016 05:19 Calix wrote:


I wouldn't say that Rels added anything new to the game either. He hasn't claimed VT but I think your argument is applicable to him as well.

Meanwhile ExO was the reason that the game kicked off the way that it did with how he reacted.

If you're town and you get mislynched on D1 yet again, that would be hilarious.

On November 04 2016 05:16 Tictock wrote:


I really do think Exo should be the lynch today.

Seems way too likely that he is scum to me, but hey even if he isn't we can see he isn't adding anything to the game and is only VT so not a bad lynch right?

+ Show Spoiler +

I might even try and write another case about him later if I feel like it.

Also I might cry a little if I get mislynched D1 two games in a row...