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On November 28 2016 06:29 Shapelog wrote: If there are snacks I will /confirm. Are there snacks? I heard there are Christmas logs | ||
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On November 28 2016 12:05 Tictock wrote: You clearly wanted to play a game man, go for it. + Show Spoiler + If he doesn't die N1 then mafia 100% confirmed LUL | ||
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On November 29 2016 07:17 Onegu wrote: I claimed town but how do you know SL is town as he didnt say he was town yet. And it takes more than 2 to party therefore your claim is false. #logic #vote: emperorchampion I counter your counter with this counter: | ||
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On November 29 2016 07:22 Onegu wrote: country songs dont count they think their cousin is wife material... How can you believe anything they say? Whoa there par'ner! Just cause the folk that l'sen to strum of the banjo may be cousins, dun mean that the singers are? Catch ma drift? | ||
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On November 29 2016 07:41 LightningStrike wrote: Anyways EC do you agree that Onegu's vote on you seem like he was joking around or do you think he was being serious and why? Heyo! I think your last game might have been my last also? Anyhoo, yeah it seems pretty jokey. The lol thing might be taking it a bit tooo far, but idk yet. Never played with onegu before, but from what I've heard I am now supposed to read him based on meta. I'm willing to throw some town points at Gu, singular, for the clown face smiley he posted tho | ||
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On November 29 2016 08:23 Onegu wrote: Where is everyone? I was walking home :O | ||
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On November 29 2016 08:29 LightningStrike wrote: Onegu just hates LoL because he's a dota 2 player that's all lol. he's just salty that lol has 10x the user base LUL | ||
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On November 29 2016 08:52 Tictock wrote: Meh reading didn't give me much. Town lean on Onegu, mild scum lean on Emp. Neither for very good reasons. Indeed, colour me as interested in those reasons! | ||
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On November 29 2016 08:53 Koshi wrote: Why a townlean on Onegu? He feels superforced. wooo koshi going for easy bro points | ||
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On November 29 2016 11:07 Shapelog wrote: Racist....and a bit songist Gosh your Canadian, does your national anthem not tell you anything? Hey man, I was defending country music! One "farm for 15min to get a blink dagger that you start with for free in LoL as spell" gu was the one knocking it! I'll post some more serious stuff after this guys | ||
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On November 29 2016 09:34 NeverUnlucky wrote: Your awesome bro LS is the one who looks like he has a knife stuck in the butt. Look at his entry: He felt the need to summarize the 10 posts that were made prior to him posting, and I can't think of another reason why he would precise that it is his first game in a while after the game started other than giving an excuse to his rustiness. That looks forced. Flagged this post, I dun like it. 1) It looks like you're trying to make something out of nothing re: throwing something at LS. 2) It reads like you're smooshing two thoughts together, which makes me think that you had some conclusion in mind and are making the evidence fit that. Requires further investigation. | ||
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On November 29 2016 09:54 NeverUnlucky wrote: Ehhhh, not quite the same vibe. Your quoted post's tone is what makes it fucking mafia. You're acting all nicey-nice with the "Hey guys" and "what up" and giving an excuse for why you weren't there with the busy part. Onegu's post is not that. I don't think mafia would have made this post this early cus they would profit from inactivity and do not care about it. Also, no, I have not read any of your games. Flagged this post as well. 1) Activity will happen whether or not mafia wants it to, therefore it's null imo. 2) LS doing this "Hey town read me for this thing you town read someone else for" reminds me of things that I've said when I'm scum. Suspicious! | ||
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On November 29 2016 13:08 LightningStrike wrote: EC I seen you made some posts on NU is your conclusion on him so far is that you think he's scum? That what I getting from your posts on him. Not ready to come to a conclusion like that atm, esp. since some of your posts have been suspect, and there is some friction there. Just someone to read more on. | ||
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On November 29 2016 13:37 Shapelog wrote: Oh my Canadian friend, you posted about the right thing. I get 1, and I think we both came to that conclusion. Can you explain 2) a bit more? Personally, I can understand the point he made, and it didn't feel like he was painting in. 1) He's talking about Onegu wanting more activity to happen and trying to cause more to happen. It was the "where is everyone" post. Personally opionons aside, do you think he could come to this conclusion based off his reasoning? 2) What do you make about my earlier post about LS tone? Yo yo, I'll answer these tomorrow cause right now I'm working on some stuff and wanna go to bed before 3am... | ||
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On November 30 2016 02:22 emperorchampion wrote: NU probably town. LS don't really like trying to set up mafia between NU and I. TT haven't really liked from the get go. mahrgell's got this mix of above average content, lots of questions, pressure on incorrect target that's raising some flags for me. That's where I'm at right now. There are a ton of questions for me that I may answer at some point, largely related to NU I imagine, but that guy is town for now. When I say "above average content" I mean # of posts. | ||
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On November 30 2016 02:17 Tictock wrote: You actually kinda hit the nail on the head already. Started a new job and haven't really been in the mafia mood. Phone posting from work right now in fact. Only thing that has jumped out to me is HF's push on gell, but based on history that prob means he is town. If I had to vote right now I'd probably just flip a coin between Emp and SL as they have not evoked any towny vibes imo. why not rels in that list also? I don't like this. You're in a unique position to understand what is levied against you, and this is what you give us. Makes me feel that the claims against you are legit. | ||
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On November 30 2016 02:39 Shapelog wrote: What has made NU town for you now? Also, you think LS is setting up to act like there is mafia between you and NU? For now he seems to understand why he's not mafia, albeit a little rudely, but I'll take it for now. Feels like it yeah. | ||
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1. Rels 2. Holyflare 4. Onegu 8. Checkm8 11. sicklucker 12. Tictock Maybe only 1 of sl and c8? Waiting for c8 since I have something I'm curious about. | ||
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On November 30 2016 03:59 Shapelog wrote: EC do you think LS is town? Not sure at the moment. Right now, seems to me like either misguided town, or devious mafia. More likely would be misguided town out of those to me. Could also be the case that NU is actually mafia, and he's on-track-town.That considered, doesn't presently look like a good lynch target to me. You want to go after him? | ||
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On November 30 2016 04:20 Shapelog wrote: You said LS is setting up (as in, trying to paint) one of you and EC to be scum, which implies you think he is scum (as town would not set up that kinda of stuff). Yet, you had him in a list of town, and now saying he is most likely town. I do believe that I explain it in the post you quoted. I think he's good to leave for now. | ||
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On November 30 2016 04:31 Shapelog wrote: Ok, my problem is your read progression and understanding it. Why do you think he is now misguided town considering how you were against him before? At the moment, I think that LS painting NU vs EC as MvT is suspicious. That doesn't necessarily make him mafia, however. If he wants to go after NU as mafia I'm quite fine with that, since I have some misgivings there as well. Otherwise, LS has shown interest in the game and is town read by some others, so I don't think it's the lynch at the moment. Things can change obviously. | ||
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On November 30 2016 05:26 LightningStrike wrote: Damn I thought you did that you wanted to talk to people. So thoughts on HF? 1) I liked the posts on mahrgell, since I don't feel to good about him myself. 2) Post #414 is pretty meh 3) Post #584 is pretty bad 4) This lead me to think that maybe 1) could be an attempt to take out a "weaker" player since there hasn't been anything else besides this from what I've seen. So overall, fairly null, but could lynch. | ||
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On November 30 2016 05:34 LightningStrike wrote: If anyone NU? Read my earlier why I could see NU could be scum. Not completely sold on NU yet, would probably go through a few others previously mentioned beforehand. | ||
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On November 30 2016 06:00 Rels wrote: yo Better be good rels, cause the last game I played with you is still fresh in my mind... | ||
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[QUOTE]On November 30 2016 06:04 emperorchampion wrote: [QUOTE]On November 30 2016 06:00 Rels wrote: yo[/QUOTE] Better be good rels, cause the last game I played with you is still fresh in my mind... [/QUOTE] Easiest game of my life. p: FeelsBadMan | ||
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[QUOTE]On November 30 2016 06:13 LightningStrike wrote: Dat quote EC lmao.[/QUOTE] Spell check op on mobile. FeelsBadMan | ||
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On November 30 2016 07:33 Rels wrote: I think SL is town What makes ya think so? | ||
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This post is not natural to me. 1) No mention of c8 when he actually makes quoted post (2). After quoted post (1) comes out, NU goes to reference it. 2) Makes me think NU was filtering c8 looking for something that looks bad to push him on it. Thoughts? | ||
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On November 30 2016 12:59 NeverUnlucky wrote: I don't quite understand 1) :3 But I did not filter checkm8 when I did that post. The first quote was directly directed to me, so it was fresh in my mind, and the second one was made while I was online, so I made the connection. Yeh, I figured that, I was asking why that is. Well at the moment I don't really understand where in the game you're at. So where are you at? | ||
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On November 30 2016 13:02 NeverUnlucky wrote: I'm up to date, I was thinking of filtering SL before heading to bed (in 15-20 minutes). Who is town for you, and who is mafia for you? | ||
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tbh I forgot since it was so long ago... | ||
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On November 30 2016 15:35 emperorchampion wrote: @TT you seriously think both NU and I could be scum? To follow up: 1) Your case seems pretty weak if you are using my scum read on NU as a major piece of evidence, since you are scum reading him as well. 2) If your reads are as you say they are, I should be one of your top towns. | ||
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On November 30 2016 16:02 sicklucker wrote: pretty sure I cant be scum since everyone whos likely scum thinks im scum. Darthfoley mahgr never maybe emp I'm not maf, you're probably not either. Not understanding the high green reads on darth atm, so we agree on that. | ||
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I think maybe TT is the top lynch. Thinking about it after his sleep, his big post has sooo many inconsistencies. | ||
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On December 01 2016 01:01 emperorchampion wrote: ughghg I just don't know about you man. Your case on sl leaves me unconvinced because you are basically suspecting him for troll posts. I think maybe TT is the top lynch. Thinking about it after sleep, his big post has sooo many inconsistencies. EBWOP | ||
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On November 30 2016 15:21 Tictock wrote: Rels - Feels a lot like last game joining a bit late but just dropping thoughts as he has them. His "Ok NVM" posts support that he is just saying what he thinks as he thinks it, not trying to construct stuff. Very likely town. Holyflare - I don't agree with much of what HF said about gell, but it feels in line with stuff he's pushed before. To restate: I disagree with his reasoning to scumread mahrgell but it's not unlike pushes I've seen from town!HF before. There are a couple posts I feel could fall into DMA + Show Spoiler + Dick Move Analysis, basically just the trend that mafia aren't usually outright mean to other players Shapelog - I'm suprised how straightforward Shape is being this game honestly. Sure he threw out the cop WIFOM right off but that was pretty much the only time he hasn't been fairly serious this game. I'd be more worried about it if I didn't feel like I could see where he is coming from generaly and liked a few of the points he's been making. The one thing that stood out as strange to me was his NU read in #403 + Show Spoiler + Shape started off saying he didn't find much to sway him either way yet here was his conclusion: Overall he has been overstressing things more than they should, which is more AI of a scum player than a town player. But, NU tone as town in previous games is like that. And while he did say he was trying to change his meta, tone and writing style is harder to change than just what you post. He's null/light scum read, but once he posts more content posts (along with everyone else), I will relook. Onegu - Flipping my read from earlier. I gave Onegu some credit for doing some stuff right off and seeming like he was involved. Skimming his filter now I find basically nothing with real content in it. Seems like he burnt up a bunch of energy right at the start posting a bunch but now that there is stuff to actually discuss has dropped off. Would be someone to re-evaluate closer to EoD is I have time. LightningStrike - Kinda a lazy read but LS just feels tonally on point to me and has been pretty involved. I'd imagine him having a harder time being this comfortable rolling scum after such a long absence from playing. darthfoley - Pretty meh over his filter. I can kinda see where he is coming from at times, but I dislike how he dropped Shape from a townread to null just kus Rels asked him about it. I was going to call his vote on HF opportunistic, but he did mention not liking HF in an earlier post. I think I just need to see more from Darth to get a better read, I do recall him being a bit like this last game as well. Koshi - Like I said before I see no reason for him to take a step back from his scumread on me like he did if he were mafia. I also imagine he'd be way more burnt out rolling scum for the 5th game in a row. Sure he'd play to win still, but what I've seen is a fair bit above what mafia would need to be doing at this point in the game. Checkm8 - Not much to go on, and yea as others have mentioned he's overplayed the newb card. His one post of content felt legit. Idk, gut says town. mahrgell - Feels a lot like what I recall from last game and pretty tonally on point as well. I also liked his reactions to HF's pressure (possibly another DMA) and while I get his big reads post feeling a bit lackluster it also reads to me like his legit thoughts at the time. Fairly strong townlean here. emperorchampion - I honestly have no clue where Emp's head is at this game. Starts off some pressure on NU then does a 180 with no explanation and is now back to scumreading him. This post in particular stands out to me. This is where he 180's on NU, throws shade on LS for suggesting there is mafia between himself and NU (which is odd since he had also thought NU was sus a few posts before), doesn't like me, and the stuff about gell is almost litterally word vomit. Feels like a scatter shot post flinging shit and seeing what might stick. I really did try to find something redeeming in his filter that might make Emp town, but I came up with nothin. sicklucker - pretty dam null, nothing stood out to me either way NeverUnlucky - Reading through the game I kinda felt like NU is a lot more held back than I have ever seen him. I liked his point in #285 in response to Koshi. Other than that though I'm really not following his reads, and especially his pushes. Kinda a shame NU was last on the list, I feel like I need to be more awake to make a better read here. Leaving him as a scum read kus something feels off about him in my gut. ##Vote: emperorchampion Seems like the best option to me. I have an odd feeling that the Emp vs NU stuff so far has actually been Mafia on Mafia. NU has actually said very little about Emp despite being one of his scumreads and Emp's read on NU has been a bit all over the place. Their interactions are also pretty tame for two people scum reading one another as well. I might be hitting the tinfoil a bit here though. Lets talk about this post more. My conclusions: 1) TT is not following the game at all, or 2) TT is mafia. Consider the state of the game when this was made: Rels and Koshi were voting HF, I had just voted NU. 1) Two of the top town reads are Rels and Koshi, both are at the time voting for HF. He has a town read on HF. I don't see any justification for this stance. 2) The read of HF it self, partially green but null/conflicted. I'm not really sure what to make of that. I get the sense that the conflict between having HF as town and Mahrgell as town is noted, but dealt with so lazily. 3) Stating MvM between NU and I essentially means that TT thinks that 2 mafia have been found day 1. I find this to be a very odd conclusion. 4) The case on my self is truly baffling. Either TT is lying when he says that "I didn't find anything townie" or has not been reading closely at all. Let me outline: a) Two of his top towns, Rels and Koshi, are voting for HF. Koshi had 0 interest in voting HF prior to my posts #589 and #609. b) I am (to my knowledge at the time) not under consideration by: Rels, Koshi, LS, HF (?). All towns for TT. c) I am currently voting for one of his towns (LS) current target. d) The reasoning that I had for being suspicious of HF (#609) is the exact same as the reason that he is null/conflicted on HF. In summary: based on the 3 points above, if TT didn't find anything townie what so ever in my filter, then he must be lying. 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I found his case against me to be malicious, in the sense that the quoted post was my "catch-up post", and was picked as something that looks bad. When making post #577 I haven't looked at the game for ~12 hrs, and this is the one that is used to build a case on me. TT completely neglects the state of the game after that, and the progression that has happened. To me, it comes across as "looking for something bad", versus actually understanding what's going on. This again is in direct conflict with the statement that : I really did try to find something redeeming in his filter that might make Emp town, but I came up with nothin. . Clearly TT looked through my filter, but chose to neglect everything past the very start of the day for me. | ||
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On December 01 2016 01:59 mahrgell wrote: @emp Interesting read. I guess I will look into it myself again. You say TT is your toplynch, but NU is still scummy for you? Given where the votes are now, do you want to "rescue" NU by directing the lynch at TT? Or keep it going and keep TT as your toplynch for tomorrow? I don't think I'm ready to move off of NU yet. Mostly I just want some more opinions on TT, and some defense by him. With NU, I find that his defenses read as town, but what he does afterwards makes me think he's scum again... not really sure what to make of it yet. | ||
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On November 30 2016 23:40 Koshi wrote: It is somewhat annoying that the list shuffles so much but that's life. This is close to where I'm at right now (swap EC for Koshi). 1) Rels feels underwhelming right now, but I'm not sure he's mafia. Shape in a similar boat right now. 2) Onegu similarly has been underwhelming to me. His thoughts on koshi are different and he has some misgivings about rels that I would give town points for. 3) HF needs to be looked at closer, not really sure what he's going for right now. No vote, major thing was a push on mahrgell, a day 1 lynch that is not looking like it's going to happen right now. Some working with koshi, some keeping koshi in check. I don't know where this leaves him. Some votes of confidence from a few people, but that's it. 4) c8 needs to generate more content. 5) darthfoley needs to generate more content. 6) sl I feel OK about right now. | ||
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On December 01 2016 03:12 NeverUnlucky wrote: Though I don't get how he can dedicate such thorough analysis on TT his scum-read and vote me because my actions make him feel uneasy. Think of it like activation energy at the moment. I'm possibly willing to move to TT, but I need a little push to get me out of my current state. | ||
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On December 01 2016 04:05 emperorchampion wrote: I don't know what happened on my walk to the office. I think we go NU -> Onegu -> ? . NU, TT, Onegu. That's where I'm at right now. @ EVERYONE WHO HASN'T VOTED There are a lot of viable candidates out there at the moment. Let's not be lazy and get our votes onto people so we can see where things really are. | ||
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On December 01 2016 04:14 Koshi wrote: The only other person except NU I am willing to vote for is Onegu. I am not interested in anything else D1. I will lurk the thread, you can ask me questions, I am not doing shit anymore actively though. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On December 01 2016 04:16 darthfoley wrote: Can you explain why TT is out of your equation if you think emperors posts on him were really good and you've been scum reading him forever?? I think I can explain since I'm in a similar boat: What NU and Onegu just posted on the past 2 pages or so is so crazy, even I think that Onegu is scum before TT at this moment in time. | ||
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Complete panic in my opinion, and it will take A LOT to convince me otherwise. | ||
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On December 01 2016 04:20 NeverUnlucky wrote: His list IS YOUR LIST. His stances are easy everywhere, just read my post, it shows him scum-reading all the inactive and trolly players and not being able to commit a read on LS me and mahr. When am I ever not defensive as fuck? You wrote your case on me when I was not around. You said that Rels is likely to be mafia when he was not around. I am not the one who is getting outplayed here if he is mafia, you are the one to TR him. Shame. SHame. Shame. I will go on record here to say that mahr is super town atm. | ||
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REMEMBER PEOPLE GET YOUR VOTES IN SOON Let's keep things moving. | ||
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On December 01 2016 04:35 darthfoley wrote: I don't like how HF/Checkm8//Rels/Shapelog etc have peaced out why is anyone townreading Checkm8? This man has been MIA for four years. Is this basically going to be a decision between NU vs. Onegu? Always get nervous when half the town disappears as the wagon forms. Meh paranoia. Yeah hopefully people will show back up and mix things up a bit. So far I haven't seen anything to change my perspective on the game. For now we hold the line and see what comes out. | ||
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On December 01 2016 05:08 Holyflare wrote: I think I'm just wifoming myself out of reads though because it looks kind of straightforward otherwise. Give us what you got and let's go from there | ||
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On December 01 2016 05:13 darthfoley wrote: I'm willing to vote for NU ATM if there aren't really viable trains on TT or sicklucker because of the promise of a treasure trove of info for the town. Can someone sell me on what info will be gleaned and why NU is the guy to gain that info from? Cuz there's been lots and back of forth on his alignment? Let's not lynch for info. Let's lynch because we think they're scum. Information can be discussed afterwards. Do you think that NU is scum? If not, then let's discuss some other options. | ||
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On December 01 2016 05:37 darthfoley wrote: Well I haven't had the time to properly look at his filter. Have some free time so i'll look at the case against him. The only thing that comes to mind is that both NU and Onegu pushed back on your TT case pretty hard. Considering that I found your case compelling, I was interested to hear their criticisms. I didn't like Onegu's particularly However i'm really fucking confused with this game. You're telling me to vote for scum not for info yet you've parked your wagon on the person you didn't properly case and that you've been waffling on. You've made multiple points about how TT likely mafia but i'm the one pushing a TT train, and you haven't joined on, even after posting this I feel like there's something so off about today. Especially the inactivity for many players. I just don't know what it is After this I went for a walk, and when I came back things were going to shit. NU is saying I'm town, then saying I'm not town and definietly mafia. Makes no sense. If he thinks I'm town, and wants to make a strong case to defend himself, why doesn't he go after TT? He was even scum reading TT iirc. That's what begins to solidify things in my mind for NU being mafia. Of course I'm not certain on anything, but it's the best I've got at the moment. A part of it is my town reads, they are all considering NU also. Here's why info lynch is bad: the best person to lynch for "info" in my mind is koshi. If he flips town then I'm pretty much confirmed town, same with LS, since it means he wasn't just pulling things out of nowhere. If he flips mafia, he was trying to be some mafia mastermind and we eliminated him. At the end of the day this is a terrible lynch and makes no sense. Don't lynch for info, at least not at this point. | ||
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On December 01 2016 05:48 mahrgell wrote: Also quick thought on this activity nightmare: If it was nobody posting, but everyone parking his vote, I would usually be inclined to feel like it is scum who are just happy about a coming ml and let the game die out. This game is different. It is actually people not voting. Idk if they are simply not online and really set an alarm for minutes before deadline... Or if they are lurking and waiting. Chances are theres some lurkers amongst those. And this feels more like scum waiting if any non-NU train is realizing, then quickly jumping in, voting it, saving a mate, and later play the "I was not able to to fully read everything and had to gut feel vote, sorry, went wrong" Yeah it's making me nervous, but I don't really see anything else at the moment. I've never seen a town with 5 votes not cast 1hr before deadline. Tons of people with shenanigans and last minute vote switch, yeah, but not this. If NU is not maf town is in a terrible place, and I'll feel bad cause I thought we had a good town so far | ||
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On December 01 2016 06:01 Holyflare wrote: You just wrote who I'm voting for, nobody. This game you want to be part of town because town will be awesome. This game town will not slack. You will not slack because you are town. This game will be the game that demotivates every mafia team in 2017. HF get on board and do something. | ||
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On December 01 2016 06:13 Rels wrote: HF if you're town I'm fucking disapointed Great, now let's get caught up and on with things | ||
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On December 01 2016 06:23 Rels wrote: HF fighting arguments to the end like that is him being scum. It is convincing but doesn't make sense. There is no game sense here. Me not saing I like one post of marghell while catching up means nothing. Me being undecisive about margh because he did some bad and some good means nothing. @Rels: what is your game plan right now? | ||
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Well you want to lynch HF I suppose, who are you trying to convince? | ||
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On December 01 2016 06:26 Rels wrote: Nope I think I'm OK with a NU lynch. Starting to reread both of their filters to see if I wanna fight for HF over NU or not. Hmm ok. What do you think of Onegu? | ||
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On December 01 2016 06:30 Koshi wrote: What Rels is doing makes no sense in mafia POV. Either NU is mafia and he gets himself lynched. Either NU is town and he gets himself lynched. Like it's not like he tries to divert to lynch onto somebody else in a sneaky way or something. Or put shit on somebody based on preflip association with NU. Let's wait for the flip first before concluding though. | ||
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On December 01 2016 06:34 Onegu wrote: IM here @Onegu: what are your thoughts at the moment? | ||
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On December 01 2016 06:43 Onegu wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote EmperorChampion Looks like my current options are NU or Myself. Dont like those choices. And no one will sheep my Koshi vote yet... Who are your town reads currently? | ||
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On December 01 2016 06:48 Onegu wrote: HF TT SL Darthfolly the next group is like NU LS Shape. All of them (that are actually voting) have sentiments to vote for NU right now, I'm just trying to understand the differences. | ||
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On December 01 2016 06:52 Onegu wrote: Again I dont have to agree with their reads to town read them. I wont like I am curious in a NU flip, but I dont want to vote with Koshi. Lets put it this way if NU flips town I will never get off koshi. If he flips red I will more than likely have to revisit my Koshi read. OK fair enough. | ||
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On December 01 2016 07:06 Koshi wrote: RIP UN. So about this MVP award... Koshi plz | ||
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On December 01 2016 07:10 darthfoley wrote: And three people didn't vote. Demotivated maf? Well not all 3 of them | ||
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Hopefully people will post some good stuff during the night. I have a few things in mind, but want to hold onto them for now to see what other people are thinking. | ||
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On December 01 2016 07:19 Onegu wrote: before I lay back down Once More: Hell Froze Over An adventure tale where Onegu shows off his superior intellect to the lowly Holyflare I'd watch it! Also @UN: gg mate! | ||
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On December 01 2016 07:25 LightningStrike wrote: I just done with my tests I had to take outside of class catching up now. rofl welcome back | ||
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On December 01 2016 07:22 Koshi wrote: EC is now pretty much confirmed town till lylo. mahrgell played really throught the entire game. Almost impossible mafia due to play. Checkm8 is pretty low on the list due to townie posts and being on NU quite early. But is not confirmed at all. Will rise up if he slacks too much. LS I still like for town. He read town early game. He just fell off a bit. I don't think Shape his initial post on NU was a buss. I will need to reread. HF is a bit controversial/combative about things I don't really think he should be combative about. Will be hard to lynch this guy. The good news is I should be the doc target so HF can die to mafia KP. Rels should play D2 way more active than his D1. null. TT I feel could be town somhow, but took the wrong decision when he voted EC over NU. That is a BIG problem for me. BIG BIG problem. darthfoley showed face. All these posts about who is not voting and people who are mia upset me a lot. sicklucker I think is mafia. But he could not be mafia. But I think he is mafia. Come out to play sl. Onegu is mafia. LS is also super town for keeping on NU since minute zero. | ||
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On December 01 2016 07:39 Koshi wrote: Reading NU his posts LS seems spewed town. Onegu probably as well, not as much as LS but it is close. TT isn't. He could be anything. NU only touched him a little bit and it was very prudent. I can see them being buddies. darthfoley comes out extremely bad as well with that unwarranted out of nowhere townread. I think somebody else before also gave darthfoley a townread out of nowhere in a list. If that is true, it looks really bad for him, because I can see mafia NU taking over that read as it pushes his agenda. NU his push on sicklucker is interesting. I can see sicklucker bussing NU for that stunt. Hmm page 3 and 4 are harder to take things out of. I think he figured out by then he might become the lynch. Conclusions taken out of those pages might be reaching. I'm still at TT and Onegu. Onegu for a few things in the early game, then interactions with NU near EoD. TT for things early game, then his MvM read of NU versus me. I made a case on TT earlier, and the MvM comes out of a desire to have an option if NU gets lynched, which looked likely at the time. That's what I got for now, could be wrong ofc, but it makes sense to me. | ||
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If m8 or shape come along this could be something nice to look at. | ||
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On December 01 2016 16:11 Holyflare wrote: I don't think df's recent posts look that bad. What about his EoD? | ||
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On December 02 2016 00:33 Holyflare wrote: Lol I really like the tmi thing. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On December 02 2016 01:36 mahrgell wrote: LOL If this is true, there is the possibility the game ends in few hours. Nobody is killed, because scum fails to vote a kill. Instead Shlog and CM8 get modkilled for failing to post, after being already warned for failing to vote. Game ends, 0 town lost. Just thinking about this possibility kills my motivation to do my last 2 filter dives. -.- Let's not get ahead of our selves since there's a lot of tin-foil that could be out there. | ||
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On December 02 2016 02:05 Tictock wrote: Humm in my PoV this game is basically solvable just by PoE now. Lynch through Shape,Ch8, SL. If that doesn't do it then there is mafia in darth/Onegu. Ugh there was someone who was pressuring c8 that he completely neglected, and I was going to ask him about it, but I completely forgot who it was and couldn't find it any filters. | ||
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On December 02 2016 02:16 mahrgell wrote: I am fully aware. But my last game, I died N1, but the game ended D2, because one scum went inactive and got modkilled, and the other one was an easylynch D2 without defending himself. I thought it can't be shorter. So I'm just tinfoiling a possibility how it can be shorter in this game. I don't think (and hope) this is gonna happen but while the idea is demotivating I still enjoy it, if you know what I mean :D Last game I played mafia won easily, the two people who were universally most town were actually mafia. | ||
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On December 02 2016 02:20 darthfoley wrote: Reposting this top of page because i'm an attention whore A few other points worth nothing: I knew my vote on NU near the deadline wasn't going to get me town-cred either way, but I wanted to solidify the wagon so the vote couldn't be influenced by 3 non-voters coming back <30 min before deadline and doing shenanigans. Also voted for NU because that one post about "it's a great case, you're right :/" was so fucking different from the last game I played with town!NU that I was comfortable voting for him. That response, especially given his flip leads me to believe one of two hypotheses: he intentionally tried to keep the only viable train on himself so at least one partner could gain much needed town-cred through EoD. This is ESPECIALLY true considering NU was the framer and it's 11v2 EoD1! You need to make sure at least one of your partners will not be cop checked for at least a few nights, so at least one of your partners needs to gain enough town-cred through your death that he will never be a cop check until D3/D4. The other, more lazy, scenario is that both of his mafia partners were inactive EoD (e.g. Shapelog/Checkm8) and he didn't care enough to set up anything because of how shit his teammates were being. I think the first scenario is plausible. It's pretty much an admission of "bus me". Scenario 2 I don't think makes sense. If both my partners were afk I would try twice as hard and spite lynch them, cause fuck it. | ||
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On December 02 2016 07:49 Tictock wrote: I'm kinda assuming it's setup #3 with a flipped Framer and Cop. Maybe JK decided he had a better TR on someone else, also possibly got RB'd. What, why 3? What do you think happened last night? | ||
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On December 02 2016 10:04 darthfoley wrote: I've said for a while it's probably Shapelog or Checkm8 + one active town I personally think that this particular afk'ness is NAI. Mafia have nothing to gain by missing votes. Mafia does something like what Rels did, do nothing then park your vote with the consensus and go along with your life. In my eyes, c8 and shape are basically at pre-EoD. I can see an argument for c8, maybe the dude just doesn't know what to post anymore, but not shape. | ||
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On December 02 2016 10:10 sicklucker wrote: Heres why hf would not nk koshi. Hf is a very good scum player right? and hes not really scumread by very many people in this game. So theres no reason for him to take an insane risk and target someone whos gonna be protected like 50-70% of the time thats insane for him. Hes in a good position to win this game as scum. There is 0 reason he would do this as scum zero. Who would do this nk as scum? Well the simple answer is people who suck. People who are losing getting rape. People who have zero confidence in winning the game without getting really lucky and dodging a save. This is not holyflares mo. This is darth/shapelog/check new player or less confident type of players that make this nk. Holyflare is too cocky and good to make this nightkill. He was acualy right when he said this nk makes him confirm town. Damn you holyflare Yeah I get the point, it's a bit wifom. But I think it's reason enough at the moment that HF shouldn't be lynched. | ||
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On December 02 2016 10:19 sicklucker wrote: Koshi covering part of why I thought darth and nu were partners. This was pre flip people. Then nu acualy flipped mafia. Logic says we keep listening to my reads and kill who I thought was his partner before he even fucking flipped Then we lynch you for bussing both of your team mates | ||
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On December 02 2016 10:18 darthfoley wrote: Did you read my post discussing Shapelog's opinion of NU and how bad it was? If so, you disagree with me? My main point on Shapelog was not his AFK'ness. That was only a minor component Maybe I'm blinded, but I put my estimate of shape being mafia at like 10% at the moment. If he comes back and makes a fool of himself, then well OK. | ||
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TT and NU jumped on a post that I had that was similarly wishy-washy, and shape's was even earlier in the game than that. Nothing became at all clear to me until later in the game where NU was was making arguments against sl. Something to think about as well. | ||
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On December 02 2016 10:27 sicklucker wrote: even darth knows how bad he looks and begs for a cop check. which may or may not make him the godfather Yeah this doesn't really serve any purpose right meow, except for shitting up the thread. | ||
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3. Shapelog 4. Onegu 1. Rels 12. Tictock 6. darthfoley One of these people right now. Hard time deciding the order, but something like this. | ||
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On December 02 2016 10:38 darthfoley wrote: Nope. I would've Nk'd Holyflare for specific reasons. Which are? I don't believe that you mentioned this earlier. | ||
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On December 02 2016 10:43 emperorchampion wrote: TT arguably also a tier below the other 4. Maybe not because I'm not sure I fully believe his defense: On December 01 2016 11:49 Tictock wrote: In regards to Emp's case on me. I just don't think like that at all, just because I think someone is town doesn't mean they have good reads. I also have no issue voting with someone I think is mafia because I can be wrong just as easily as anyone else. D1 is an especially bad time to try and use that kind of thinking imo kus there are too many moving pieces and reads can change so easily. I'm also not the type to sheep people, I will vote who I think is mafia even if it means I'm throwing my vote away (though I have gotten a bit better about consolidating). As well it disregarded some of the other inconsistencies that I found. Also saying MvM between NU and I --- I still get the feeling that he knew that NU was gonna flip red. | ||
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On December 02 2016 16:11 Shapelog wrote: Can someone explain to me the reasoning behind that I am with Cm8 in the mafia teams btw? I've caught up in the snese of reading the thread. Later today (2 am rn) I will have a read list. I've gone through check8 filter (to try and understand shape + ch8 team idea) NU Filter (see last post) and half of Koshi filter. I've skimed Darth and LS filter as well. Yeah same lateness here OK cool cool | ||
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On December 02 2016 16:14 Holyflare wrote: Also, df is 100% town. There's no way I basically claim blue like 6 times and he doesn't kill me over koshi. These would have killed you, wouldn't have killed you arguments are silly. Filter padding at it's finest. | ||
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On December 02 2016 16:29 Shapelog wrote: Talk to me Ec. Ask me questions that I might have the answer to. Too tired to filter. Too awake to sleep. Just want some initial read list nothing fleshed out. | ||
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On December 02 2016 16:30 Holyflare wrote: I don't see how it's silly in the slightest. The dude is the only one in the game to notice I claimed blue. I'm not dead. To add to why I already thought he was town this is just gravy. Where's the problem? Ya OK let's be friends. | ||
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On December 02 2016 16:36 darthfoley wrote: Don't think this applies to my case. HF blue claimed like 5 times and I spotted it instantly. He would've been my NK 1000%. Surprised no one else seemed to catch on to this trend. (i'm aware it's wifom) Killing HF is a good medic dodge cuz people were sus of him and he claimed blue. I know it's WIFOM but why wouldn't you take the chance as mafia? I mean it is what it is, but to me it's a bit too wifomy to be convincing. I'll just leave it at that. | ||
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On December 02 2016 17:18 Tictock wrote: Meh that's kinda pointless discussion though. Let's assume for a moment that we can't lynch either of Shape or CM8 today. Who would you guys want to lynch? I think I'd be happy with SL and an outside chance of Onegu. Why SL over Onegu? I don't think Onegu posted in the last 24hrs? | ||
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On December 02 2016 21:22 mahrgell wrote: If I would have to summarize his posts quickly it would be: - shits up the thread and makes no sense - intentionally makes reads out of thin air and for false reasons - the timing of his entry was completely off - his "explanation" of his D1/N1 play or the lack there of is... bad. Can you provide some examples of point 2? Can you expand on point 3? | ||
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On December 03 2016 06:58 darthfoley wrote: l0L i'm actually going to a smash tournament tonight but I should be back by 9-10PM EST glhf! | ||
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On December 04 2016 04:45 LightningStrike wrote: EC why you voting Check he not getting lynched today. More likely he will be modkilled. Sicklucker we not lynching darth either today so idk why you guys wasting your votes. Yeah I can vote for shape, seems likely he's maf at this point. Feel like it doesn't really matter at this point tho. | ||
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Ah OK yeah, I dunno his time zone. | ||
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Onegu Rels TT Darth So in a worrying spot. I take responsibility for being lazy town yesterday, sorry guys! | ||
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On December 05 2016 00:51 Holyflare wrote: I'm not waiting I'm just waiting for ikea to turn up. Ask boornhorlfghtyur 2 about his reads | ||
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On December 04 2016 12:48 darthfoley wrote: Why are you so high on mahrgell and HF? You're right, I shouldn't be lazy. I'll re-evaluate these reads during the next day phase. At the moment, mostly both activity town reads. | ||
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On December 05 2016 00:41 mahrgell wrote: Hm... so has everyone agreed we wait for EoN and go from there? Like I have a billion tinfoils in my head right now, but I'm not even sure those should be discussed before the EoN. Also I really understand now, why people have trouble with white sheets like Onegu in the later stages of the game... Anyway, if anyone has some chat topic, I will be around. You can talk about stuff now, it's fine. Few more hours of discussion for town. | ||
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On December 04 2016 23:32 mahrgell wrote: Hnnn? Why? Is there something I missed? Or did you suspect him to be blue all the time? Mmm more I just mean that I have a decent town read on sl at the moment. | ||
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On December 05 2016 07:03 mahrgell wrote: Like I'm sitting here... and I'm puzzled... What are you confused about? | ||
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On December 05 2016 07:06 Tictock wrote: Can I make a suggestion? Can we actually not discuss any claims today? I'd really like that. Same thought as mine? | ||
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Why EoN, and not right now? | ||
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On December 05 2016 07:10 mahrgell wrote: Make up your mind if we are discussing claims or not. Discuss whatever you want. Don't hide behind walls of text though please. | ||
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On December 05 2016 07:11 Rels wrote: That might be a good idea actually. If we ever kill the other scum the game is over Jailor is super strong since they have no RB. | ||
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On December 05 2016 07:19 mahrgell wrote: If you are JK and not Scum, you are dead next night. This is why we focus on finding the partner. Maf has to kill the jailor at some point since they're super strong (and get stronger as there are less players) with no RB. Whichever one dies, we just lynch the other one. | ||
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2. Holyflare Gut town: 6. darthfoley 9. mahrgell Possible maf: 4. Onegu 12. Tictock 1 of these is maf, 1 is jk: 1. Rels 11. sicklucker | ||
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Please explain how they're terrible. | ||
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On December 05 2016 10:18 darthfoley wrote: what does this information give you besides a confirmed kill tomorrow night? Very important information to my current investigations. | ||
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On December 05 2016 10:30 darthfoley wrote: Interesting that all three people who did not cast a D1 vote are now dead and were all town. This mean that there were three mafia votes nestled in there somewhere. We know of one: NU voted for EC. On the surface, I have a hard time believing NU was super bussed and both mafia partners voted on him. I also doubt neither mafia voted for him. Both those scenarios seem too clean. Considering how few alternative lynch trains there were D1, I guess that it's more likely both mafia voted for NU? I think the only lynch train that got 3 or more votes concurrently was HolyFlare, which Rels and I voted for. Onegu voted with NU on EC HolyFlare and Rels traded votes. This mafia team would suck to play against. TT, mahrgell, EC, SL, I all voted NU. Hmmmmmm Don't really follow the conclusion, who does this make more or less likely to be mafia in your eyes? | ||
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On December 05 2016 10:36 darthfoley wrote: IDK it was kind of thinking out loud. I noticed the same Rels HF issue you did. I remember the HF votes came within like 20 minutes of each other bang bang bang (Koshi Rels Me) and I wonder how viable that lynch seemed at the time. I think I could see scum!Rels being vote #2 there and trying to make it a viable lynch. I really want to hear his response to your question *IF* Rels is mafia, who can you see as his partner? | ||
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On December 05 2016 10:55 darthfoley wrote: Honestly, I need to look through his filter and look at connections. His NU spew posts should give some good detail into this. Playing IRL mafia with friends tonight, but if the bastards N0 kill me, i'll probably filter dive Rels... or work on a 15 page filter. Nah, probably filter dive Rels Do you have any quick quick gut reads based on current game understanding? Again important for current investigations . | ||
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On December 05 2016 13:07 Tictock wrote: Emp what makes HF confirmed town for you? "Both" jk claim to have jailed. Doesn't make sense for him to be maf, no? | ||
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On December 05 2016 13:40 Tictock wrote: Ok I apparently did not read the game properly while I was out. I missed some posts from Rels and need to reread some stuff. @Emp Assuming he was JK'd it doesn't really prove anything about his alignment. Cool, let me know what you turn up. Yeah I dunno, it was just the first thing I thought of. | ||
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On December 06 2016 02:01 sicklucker wrote: I still think hf is a lock town but its laughable how wrong hes been about everything this game. which is probably a reason to think hes town ec Is it too scummy to be scum, or just the right level of scum? | ||
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On December 06 2016 02:51 mahrgell wrote: Game has ended? Didn't notice it. Shouldn't actually exactly your mindset ring some bells? If this is really what is happening here... then wouldn't mafia finally do something? Or are they maybe not doing anything... Because town seems completely wrong? As mentioned earlier by IDK who... LS was either an attempted bluesnipe... or a blend kill. Mafia can't do anything cause the only people with town cred are me, you, and now rels. What do you mean by blendkill? I believe the reason for killing LS was taking out a confirmed town. | ||
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On December 06 2016 03:00 mahrgell wrote: Not sure if you are reading the thread, but I don't have the feeling you are confirmed town for everyone here... Uhm... I havent seen anyone townlock me either, given the flak I'm getting here... And your reasoning on townlocking me so far has been "activity and tries to solve the game". And why was LS townconfirmed? Only because of the NU spew? Not sure he was really a toptown at that moment either... There was a lot of WIFOM to pull on him... If you have like 10 reasons to town read someone, and 1 wifom reason why they can be scum, they're probably town. | ||
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On December 06 2016 03:26 Holyflare wrote: Emperor what do you make of all the claims? Take a stance bro. Right now my stance looks like this: 1. Rels 9. mahrgell 6. darthfoley 12. Tictock 2. Holyflare 4. Onegu 11. sicklucker | ||
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What train is HF on? Thinks sl is town, wants to lynch him, but thinks TT and I are mafia together? | ||
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I AM the one making the original reads. You're just along for the ride baby. | ||
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On December 06 2016 03:56 Holyflare wrote: No. Look at this. Sl = mafia fake claiming jk, never in a million years does he send kp. Jk rels blocks me. I'm confirmed town. Deal with it. OK I like it. So you and sl as a team off the table. | ||
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On December 06 2016 03:59 mahrgell wrote: Before I post my current idea on Emp, one question: @night... Did you think SL was JK 100%? Or did you think he could be VT or scum? Like looking back, what percentage you would give each option there? Well I thought he was town, so jk made sense from that perspective. Didn't really think about vt or scum, but mostly cause I just didn't think about it. So probably: jk - 80% scum 20% vt 0% | ||
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On December 06 2016 06:42 Tictock wrote: This is such a mafia post, you don't call out someone fake claiming with 0 Town intent then imply they are gunna flip green. Starting to buy the world of Emp/SL here. If we can be sure Onegu is town then you guys can even lynch between me/Emp/SL. I'm not sure I can buy Gell or Darth being scum. I could see HF maybe still, but I can follow his train of thought pretty well today. Besides half my read on him is just paranoia. With Rels being JK I think you guys should be forming a town circle between Rels/Gell/Darth and trying to rule out mafia from there. Why is onegu town? That's a bit out of no where. | ||
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On December 06 2016 06:29 darthfoley wrote: Just want to bring this post back for posterity. RIP Koshi. The tinfoil in me can't understand why HF hasn't been targeted yet. He's my hardest town read atm but wah this is potentially troublesome. He should be the kill after the JK dies, if we get to that stage. The other tinfoil in me thinks that mahrgell has gone above and beyond his usual WoT posts that are almost always directed at HF. This almost has the feel of a Shapelog scum filter from that newbie game he won by just spamming WoT-towny enough-30 page filter. I'm also uneasy about how much waffling he is doing regarding sicklucker. Reminds me of his stance (iirc) of the Shapelog lynch where he waffled all day then threw a "conscience" vote on sl that was pretty meaningless. I know i'm tinfoiling rather committedly here but it's something to keep in mind. Especially since LS died. He has said some things that i've been thinking though meh. Definitely not the lynch today. For everyone saying scum!sl doesn't have motive to fake claim JK... uhhh yea he does. Lynch was most likely going to be him so he does a 1v1 trade and (almost) ensures the JK to die next night. Sure it's a little risky, but if you're going to go down you might as well pull down the JK and eliminate all roles from the game. On the off chance that people somehow don't lynch scum!sl today, it's double beneficially because mafia can probably still kill JK + orchestrate a mislynch potentially. A scum JK fake claim early night also has the potential of a silly person like me or mahrgell to potentially be so excited to CC that we do it before the resolution phase and get killed for our troubles. I see plenty of scum rationale behind the fake claim during the night. Gonna be salty that Onegu is jchillin if he's mafia because *under the radar* Gonna read through HF's case on emp. Also thought HF/Rels point of TT not tinfoiling is a smart point I hadn't thought of. Btw, I am + Show Spoiler + defintely+ Show Spoiler + not These are my current thoughts on the sl fake claim. It looks a lot like sl trying to trade 1v1 for the jailer, and now trying to backpeddle for the best case which is not getting lynched at all. SL, I know you've explained it many times how it makes sense from town perspective, but it's just not a town play I can wrap my head around. The fact that you're in this position means it was a bad play lol. | ||
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On December 06 2016 07:04 Tictock wrote: Wtf, how did HF drop so much in your reads without you interacting with him this whole time? Reasoning that he was "town confirmed" was based on prior to sl rescinding his claim. My first thought that if one is mafia and claiming to jail HF, then he must be town. I know the reasoning was pretty bullshit, I believe that it was darth who actually first pointed it out. | ||
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On December 06 2016 07:11 emperorchampion wrote: Reasoning that he was "town confirmed" was based on prior to sl rescinding his claim. My first thought that if one is mafia and claiming to jail HF, then he must be town. I know the reasoning was pretty bullshit, I believe that it was darth who actually first pointed it out. Hence the reason that I no longer think that he's confirmed town since I should have added this sentence to the end. | ||
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On December 06 2016 07:11 darthfoley wrote: I think it makes sense more from scum perspective not the other way around i.e., that sl+hf are a team? | ||
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On December 06 2016 07:10 Tictock wrote: That last quate was me being snarky at Emps post because he was basically saying he thought I was Scum but was waiting for Onegu to case me. Otherwise I've just been posting as I see fit and pushing Onegu to case me. 2 birds 1 stone. If Onegu can make a compelling case, there's reason to town read him. That's why I want him to step up. | ||
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On December 06 2016 07:16 darthfoley wrote: I'm confused to what your claiming. I think SL is mafia and if that's the case HF has to be town. But I think he's town regardless OK I just don't know what you're referring too cause you didn't quote anything | ||
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On December 06 2016 06:42 Tictock wrote: This is such a mafia post, you don't call out someone fake claiming with 0 Town intent then imply they are gunna flip green. Starting to buy the world of Emp/SL here. If we can be sure Onegu is town then you guys can even lynch between me/Emp/SL. I'm not sure I can buy Gell or Darth being scum. I could see HF maybe still, but I can follow his train of thought pretty well today. Besides half my read on him is just paranoia. With Rels being JK I think you guys should be forming a town circle between Rels/Gell/Darth and trying to rule out mafia from there. I'm not implying anything. I just don't believe that he claims jailer as town at night anymore. If he does flip green then I was wrong and his crazy reasons were true, and woe is me. Please make a proper case on me TT instead of just quoting a bunch of posts that I've made. | ||
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On December 06 2016 07:53 Tictock wrote: So, like what are your actual thoughts on HF, why is he super scummy now? Combination of: 1) Wants to lynch me. 2) I don't like how much time he's spent proving how town he must be, I just want him to find some mafia. 3) Tin-foil with possible teams, sl/hf seems un-likely but I don't know on the others. I just don't know on so many things now. | ||
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On December 06 2016 07:57 Tictock wrote: Right so I doesn't matter what you think of me, it's Onegu who decides what you think about me. Not that at all. I still care what I think about you, if he has a good case potentially more reasons to scum read you. And reasons to town read him. If he has a shit case then reasons to scum read him. Looking bad for him right now since he just afk voted you and said he'd provide a case later. | ||
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With regards to HF I'm running out of other people who can be mafia. Could be darth maybe, or mahrgell, but I'd take them over HF. You, I'm really not sure on. Plenty of reasons to scum read you I suppose, but I think you've played well last day or so. | ||
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On December 06 2016 08:34 Tictock wrote: Yea this is more or less my thoughts now that I'm caught up fully. I really don't think Darth or Gell are mafia. HF is possible but unlikely. Rels is confirmed. Onegu is absent. Emp is weird. SL is flailing and seems like my best option to vote. I'm willing to be the next lynch after SL kus if he flips mafia then I think Emp is his partner and that means I had pretty amazing reads on D1. ##Vote:Sicklucker Can you explain the last sentence a bit more: you think SL is red, and I'm his partner. But you can be the next lynch afterwards? | ||
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I know you think that my play may have been weird over the last few hours, but how close does your list look to this then: On December 06 2016 03:46 emperorchampion wrote: Right now my stance looks like this: 1. Rels 9. mahrgell 6. darthfoley 12. Tictock 2. Holyflare 4. Onegu 11. sicklucker ofc subbing you for me. | ||
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On December 06 2016 09:01 Tictock wrote: Since you said you think SL is town do you think mafia is Myself/HF? Nah I'm more mafia | ||
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On December 06 2016 09:03 emperorchampion wrote: Nah I'm more mafia Shit I edited the lost post instead of quote , but I struck out the part that should have been edited. | ||
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On December 06 2016 09:05 Tictock wrote: I would have HF a little higher but yea that's not too different from my thinking. How did you have me in a clearly town group there though yet feel like I could be scum if f Onegu made a good enough case on me though? Hmm I liked the point that rels made about this post: On December 04 2016 08:20 Tictock wrote: Ehh just skimmed kus I saw people talking about a claim. I doubt SL is the JK since he put so much stock into Shape's claim having meaning. I feel like if he were blue he would be more paranoid about other people claiming blue. Idk, I'll think about it more when I have time. And I think you've been re-evaluating the game quite a bit. I dunno just feels similar to me right now. What Onegu thinks can contribute, just like anyone elses case could. I don't think that Onegu's thoughts are any more important than other people. I just wanted something to evaluate his thinking on, cause that's a major blind spot for like 2 days now. | ||
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On December 06 2016 09:08 Tictock wrote: Then why haven't you voted SL since I'm less suspicious than Onegu or HF but am the only other real option. Yeah I probably will, just haven't 100% made up my mind yet. I haven't tried to hide the fact that I find sl scummy. | ||
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This is where I end up with sl being at only 40% scum... so really quite confusing game at the moment. | ||
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On December 06 2016 06:58 darthfoley wrote: So my crystal ball indicates that mafia is doing a whole lot of distancing right now Yo darth, who do you think is distancing right now? | ||
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Can someone please explain a reason for reading Onegu as town? | ||
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On December 06 2016 09:37 Tictock wrote: Nah if SL is scum the reasoning HF gave about him being confirmed is super fucking solid. I will agree that SL fakeclaiming as scum pretty heavily indicates that his partner is in a pretty solid position to hold the game down. Which is clearly why everyone thinks I'm scum kus I'll hold this game down for mafia. Actually that's why I'm thinking you make so much sense as everyone gave you solid towncred for NU's lynch. Then your posting D2 showed no attempt at looking deeper than Shape and early posts today were weird on the claims. You are managing to talk pretty calmly with me here though. That's good on you regardless of your alignment. Looking back at this, your point about shape is actually false if you look at how I engage shape day 2. | ||
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On December 06 2016 15:54 emperorchampion wrote: Looking back at this, your point about shape is actually false if you look at how I engage shape day 2. Actually I mis-understood your point. Yeah you're right I didn't really look at anything other than shape cause I figured out pretty quick that shape / c8 were gonna be mod-killed / lynched and it totally killed my motivation to do anything. | ||
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On December 06 2016 16:02 Tictock wrote: I can't if he is not playing, but I also don't think there is much to point to him being mafia. Can you? Also Rels point about Onegu being spewed town is kinda ok, if fairly WIFOM. I just read him as mafia, since it seems like he might intentionally be playing as a wild card. | ||
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On December 06 2016 16:03 Tictock wrote: Can you explain to me why you thought voting CM8 was a good idea? I didn't think that shape was mafia, and had a possibility of coming back / voting / doing something. c8 it was pretty obvious was not going to come back, so I just tossed my vote there. | ||
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On December 06 2016 16:08 Tictock wrote: Do you think he is mafia with SL or with someone else? I think he's pretty unlikely mafia with sl, cause of the claim thing I explained earlier. Anyone else, I haven't looked into filters too closely, but could be pretty much anyone I imagine. | ||
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On December 06 2016 16:07 Tictock wrote: This is totally why you are mafia btw. Not trying to reason the game out yourself and asking others to do it for you. OK cool, I just want some second opinions. Actually I'm trying really fucking hard to figure out this game, I ask for other opinions where I'm stuck. | ||
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On December 07 2016 04:28 Tictock wrote: I'm still pretty convinced Emp is the last mafia from all that. These posts don't suggest he had any towny thinking about D2. Says he thought Shape/CM8 were gunna be lynched/modkilled and had no motivation to do anything. Yet thought Shape was gunna flip town for some reason. Looking back on his posts from D2. Says he is 90% sure Shape is town, but gives no reason why, and while most of us were waiting to see if Shape was going to come back and be towny Emp is suggesting the opposite. A few posts later with no new reasoning suddenly Shape is pretty high up on the lynch list. So after Shape returned to the game he looked worse than before, but Emp still ends up voting CM8. Then this gem. Think that is the last post Emp had D2. Do you guys see what I'm talking about? Emp claimed to think Shape was Town but had no reasoning to think so. His read changed on a dime even before Shape came back. Then he voted CM8 without any reasoning or looking for other possible mafia. The reasoning he gave me last night doesn't make sense given his posting D2 at all. I also suggest you guys look at his early posting today and you will see it is no better. Last two mafia are SL/Emp. I'm feeling it in my bones. Kuudos, forgot I made a lot of those posts. The reasoning was: shape was really towny day 1 -> shape was afk but that's NAI -> shape doesn't do anything so is best lynch along with c8 -> shape comes back and doesn't do anything -> wow shape could be mafia -> fuck it they're both gonna die anyways -> vote c8. The part you're missing is that even if I didn't think that shape, or even c8 were mafia, they are still best lynches because they're afk. You at the very beginning of your post that I don't have towny thinking, but you don't point out where. What is your conclusion from this case? | ||
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On December 07 2016 05:21 mahrgell wrote: NU is scum. I'm fairly confident on that one! You're correct on that one | ||
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On December 07 2016 05:25 mahrgell wrote: Do I get towncred for that one? Or lynched for TMI? Based on the people in this game, lynched for tmi | ||
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hmm you must be his team mate | ||
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On December 07 2016 05:28 mahrgell wrote: Dang... Now I don't know anymore. Can you teach me? m-god please, you need to teach me | ||
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mahrgell gimme your best tin-foil | ||
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On December 07 2016 06:08 mahrgell wrote: My best tinfoil: SL flips Doc. Plot twist, he's the jailer | ||
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whoa that's actually a great idea rels | ||
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On December 07 2016 07:52 darthfoley wrote: surprise surprise i'm almost certainly confirmed town hmm sounds like something a goon would say | ||
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On December 07 2016 08:11 darthfoley wrote: I was also one of the first people to be suspicious of SL day 1 and for the rest of the game but my train didn't get any backing D1. Really want to hear what Rels and HF think but they're probably asleep Well NU jumped in front of it... | ||
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On December 07 2016 08:31 Rels wrote: What happened to the "SL / Onegu doesn't make sense" thought ? It's still there, I mean we will confirm what happens to Onegu though so it's kinda irrelevant. | ||
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On December 07 2016 08:47 Rels wrote: It is completely relevant because your alignment is in play and if you're town it is your duty to not be lynched. Why is Onegu scummier than TT in your opinion ? Individually, Onegu. Off the top of my head, early game trolling, voting with NU, in addition to doing practically nothing in the game since then. It's hard to come into the thread and make town posts if you are mafia without spending a decent amount of time. TT I still can't understand if he is trying to push me as scum or is just misguided town. In between cases on me I think he's following the game in the same manner. Whenever he makes a case on me it reads as opportunistic to me, and I can see that he's missing a few things. As I noted first, it can be that he's just not reading things quite clearly, or it can be that he has some malicious intent as mafia. In my mind we deal with Onegu first, and I would look into TT later. | ||
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On December 07 2016 09:13 Rels wrote: For someone with this mindset you seem pretty unsure about TT ? Are you leaning more scum or town from his case(s ?) on you ? What's your thoughts on HF and DF ? Town apparently ? Why ? Yeah I think that's pretty apparent from the last few days. But I think the results are OK so far, day 2 was a wash cause of afk, but otherwise 2 scum lynches. DF reads as town to me, involved in the game and trying to solve. HF annoys me a lot, and at the moment I defer to the high town reads that a lot of other players have. HF is certainly more town than than TT and Onegu. | ||
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On December 07 2016 10:48 Tictock wrote: I'm ok if this is the outcome, even if that means I'm wrong here. But if Emp is mafia then my D1 reads were so freaking good. Spolier alert: I'm not mafia | ||
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On December 07 2016 10:50 Rels wrote: So it's not a meta reference ? EC's vote on NU was actually after a majority opinion on NU by at least LS, marghell, Koshi and I. interesting how my name is the first one... | ||
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On December 07 2016 12:47 Tictock wrote: Basically if there is a kill tonight you are Mafia Emp. I'm sure Rels already made sure mafia can't hold their shot or some shit. Well it's stupid if maf holds their shot cause then jk is still alive, and it's high % that jk blocks them. | ||
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On December 08 2016 02:09 Tictock wrote: Believe what you want. I bet NU told his team to bus him as he saw everyone was scumread if him anyways. I'm pretty sure I'm gunna look like a badass post-game for calling out MvM on Emp v NU D1. hahaha I guess I'm just not aware of what people typically say in mafia games, but just rofl | ||
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On December 08 2016 04:08 darthfoley wrote: Who do you think Rels should rb ec? rels is a god, TT seems like the best choice | ||
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On December 08 2016 04:52 Tictock wrote: I honestly don't care if our reads match up or not. That has nothing to do with how I find mafia. I look for motivations in posting and thought put into the game. I feel like you never have much thought put into your reads and have generally just followed thread sentiment. You mostly post questions to others without giving your own thinking. Me being on your case most of the game is pretty much why I have the nickname tunneltock. Once I'm confirmed Town I'm pushing you all day as well kus I don't think Onegu votes with his scumbuddies D1 and D3 and passes up the chance to bus NU D1. Well at this point: A) You're trying to throw the game as town by tunneling me all game B) You're throwing the game as scum by tunneling me all game Which is it? You don't seem to concerned by either, so probably B. | ||
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On December 08 2016 05:00 Tictock wrote: Yet last night you said I basically had to be Town. That's why rels is a god, and I suck at this game | ||
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On December 08 2016 05:00 emperorchampion wrote: Well at this point: A) You're trying to throw the game as town by tunneling me all game B) You're throwing the game as scum by tunneling me all game Which is it? You don't seem to concerned by either, so probably B. Point A is why rels is so smart btw. If you're town it makes perfect sense to save you cause I have no idea what's going on right now. Hopefully you can figure out between Onegu/DF/HF/Mahrgell whoever is left if it comes down to that. | ||
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Mahrg, what does this post mean? | ||
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On December 08 2016 07:17 Onegu wrote: So I won? Nice I dunno why, but I lost it at this :D | ||
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Also I don't see this as HF's path to victory, since surely it would be to get me lynched then to aim for Onegu / whoever in lylo. This is kinda a throwy move from HF if he's scum, since if Mahr is town then we go after HF next right? | ||
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2. Holyflare 4. Onegu 6. darthfoley 9. mahrgell 10. emperorchampion 12. Tictock | ||
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On December 08 2016 15:10 Tictock wrote: No tomorrow is LyLo. If we lynch 2 Town the game is over. We have 6 right, so down to 4 tomorrow with lynch and nk. Then no lynch, and 1 more nk, down to 3 the day after? Or is my math off. | ||
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On December 08 2016 15:17 Tictock wrote: Just to be totally clear I am proposing we lynch HF today to make sure he is not going to coast this game as mafia off a sacrifice from SL. I die tonight since Rels confirmed me Town. This leaves the 4 of you going into LyLo. Emp Darth Gell Gu I trust that if HF does flip Town then the 3 remind Town in that pool can vet out the last mafia. Yeah it's a fair plan. I'm gonna stay on Mahr for now, and I will filter him tomorrow, see if I can find anything compelling. | ||
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Oh shit I didn't see the "not", I'm dumb. | ||
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On December 09 2016 04:14 Holyflare wrote: Nah it will be emotional non content :D Oh damn Just catching up now, had a busy morning. | ||
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On December 08 2016 16:48 mahrgell wrote: Okay... Could you start making sense, please? So basically you say I should instantly go after HF, and not doing it is scummy! And then you say HFs play makes no sense for scum. OKAY. Call me interested. You have more of those stories? From my perspective, I would that that if someone made the posts that HF did if I randomly assumed that TT was town, then I would think they're making a scum play. Just found your reaction very unusual. The difference between what you write here, and what I see, is in our perspectives. I have no idea your alignments, so given what I observed in this scenario, it makes more sense to me for you to be scum and for HF to be town. However, you know that you're town, therefore if someone is calling you out in that fashion I just imagine that the reaction would be to consider them scum. I find it really odd that you don't think he can be scum at all after that (from what I've read so far). | ||
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On December 08 2016 18:29 mahrgell wrote: And about Emp not standing this through, again... With everyone suddenly doubting him... this makes his play entirely correct. And somehow he has been obsessed with you, which I still can't make any sense of (because yes... you were looking pretty damn scummy, sorry...) as it simply does not fit the game situation at all, no matter if he was certain on his 40% SL town post or not... And his night play doesnt make him look any better... Like seriously... His play completely jumped off a cliff somewhere at D3. And as someone pinpointed earlier... It was the moment he was suddenly doubted. Who am I obsessed with here, TT? | ||
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The issue with TT's case is that it's presented like this: ->zero town thinking ->some quotes ->sl/ec are mafia together What this is really missing is 1) showing how the quoted posts don't show town thinking, 2) showing how this apparent lack of town thinking makes me scum. I haven't convincingly seen 2) at all this game with respect to me. | ||
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On December 09 2016 00:53 Holyflare wrote: On the balance of probability : Emp - very weird interactions day 1 with nu, reactionary and lack of content. When sl was claiming with rels he wasn't concerned with figuring it out at all, has to be forced to produce content but towny reaction. Maybe. You can pare down the second sentence on me btw. I became very interested in figuring it out after a bit more though. It probably seems pretty non-obvious from what I posted, but I really thought that rels was trying to make a mafia play. Then sl rescinded his claim, so I guess I'm glad I never wasted too much time on that. I have a bunch of shit in a .txt document at home I can post if you want some "content" or something. | ||
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On December 06 2016 18:34 mahrgell wrote: Good morning... Went to bed feeling good. Woke up, read thread. Feeling great now. There is not even a reason to invite shenannies anymore... so... ##vote sicklucker PS: If there is any interesting discussion left for me, it is: If there is a scum between DF and Onegu, who is it? But this questions is kinda far away, I don't think it has to be asked, and if it is, I have a clear opinion on it. Way ahead of your time m-god. Do you remember what you were thinking here? It's pretty non-obvious from your filter. I dunno reading Mahr's filter, he doesn't look like mafia to me. The more I think about it, the less sure I am of darth. Onegu still OK with atm. | ||
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On December 09 2016 08:51 darthfoley wrote: Oh nah not that. At this point I'm pretty set on my EC vote. He hasn't done anything to change my mind currently. I thought HF and TT cased him pretty thoroughly a couple days ago. What makes the case particularly convincing to you, why such a lazy read at this point? | ||
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On December 09 2016 23:16 Holyflare wrote: + Show Spoiler [prediction] + My prediction is that emp comes back with some long winded drivel about how I must be mafia, despite not thinking that the whole game and agreeing with me at mostly every point today, and calls me mafia because I'm the counter wagon. What is the point of this post? To me it feels like you are trying to make it so that if I do consider you as mafia you will, just response with "hur durr I told you so". That's the most natural response to your useless drivel. | ||
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On December 09 2016 16:48 Holyflare wrote: Holy fucking shit ticktock. Prove the towny intention with mahrgell's slip and then you'll have a point. In that world I was living in confirmed mahrgell mafia. Then mahrgell posted about it being a joke which i found to be the shittest reason on the planet and then he made me feel a bit better when he explained it. If you're saying you don't like me because new information begets new reads then I don't know what to tell you. There's nothing opportune when emp into onegu is a free win. Now, like I've said a million times, why is emperor's posting today town posting? All he has done is: Ask why he's mafia Copied my reasoning EXACTLY to town read people Said he'd find mafia Didn't do anything to find mafia You're criticising EXCLUSIVELY ME for this slip thing when everyone in the game but you (and obviously Mabeline) agreed with it being a slip. On December 09 2016 16:50 Holyflare wrote: You want to know about darth to? When the above happened (mahr comes back with thought process and i feel a bit better) darth comes out with the biggest piece of bull shit case on me jumping on the only available counter wagon (me) based on reasoning that was legitimately false and crap. He just kept saying that I should be dead repeatedly when I shouldn't really and it looked bad and like mafia hopping on the next available bandwagon. Says EC-> Onegu is free win, but actually darth might be mafia too. LOL this is such bad bad play from HF | ||
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On December 10 2016 01:03 emperorchampion wrote: Is this HF flailing? Says EC-> Onegu is free win, but actually darth might be mafia too. LOL this is such bad bad play from HF I mis-understood this, LOL such bad play from EC | ||
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My thoughts at the moment: - If Onegu is mafia he should be left until next day phase to figure out. - Based on that poe list is: HF / DF / Mahr - Right now my two preferred lynches would be HF / DF, the particular details is what I'm trying to figure out right now | ||
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On December 10 2016 02:16 mahrgell wrote: Repeating this again and again doesn't make it more true... You are simply ignoring it. But two make it short: Your D3 play after SLs weird presence looked completely weird. Especially you insisting that SL may be town. Regardless of how you came to that idea after all the shit SL posted, if you believed there to be such a high chance of him being town I would have absolutely expected a rampage there by you to wake town up and consider it again instead of simply accepting his demise. Given that I had the same though for half the day... I know how it feels to be in that spot. And if you really felt that TT was more likely scum than SL, well... the way you 2 fought there was in a way entertaining, but certainly not suited to change anyone to come from SL over to TT. And if you made this comment, but didn't believe it (why?) again your 1on1 with TT was completely strange. if SL was scum, all that was there to do was to find 3 targets out of the remaining players... And given that TT was amongst the top priorities for almost everyone, investigating him like this felt... strange. And it continued later too... you were entirely focussed on TT, and on not getting JK'ed yourself at night. Why? You never presented a 3 scum list... Again I simply can not follow your thinking there. I mean you were even beating on TT after he was already clearly called out the JK target... And unlike HF I still dont feel your reaction when you jumped my wagon was very towny. It wasn't a "oh lol, what a slip" but you simply jumped the first train you saw... At least how it felt to me... You explaining why I should scumread HF for it, when at the same time detailing why this makes no sense for scum!HF didn't help either. And now you vote me, flail against HF and then say you wanna investigate DF??? Why not investigate HF then? Like right now I really see no factual reasons why I wouldn't want to lynch you. Pretty much everyone you said since midst of D3 gives me very strong scum feelings. The only thing making me doubt right now is my last newbiegame, where you remind me of Exo... He also played completely strange, got cased by everyone, and then ignored all cases against him and went flailing against absolutely everybody he could get (and was town)... But not sure this is a comparison you want me to make... 1) With regards to sl I think we had pretty similar thoughts. Like what if he actually was VT trying to take a shot? To that I attributed about 40% chance in my mind since I was town reading him pretty hard most of day 1, 2, etc. But at the end of the day mafia would claim to draw out the jk, then try to trade 1v1. Especially one that was already caught for tmi. So that's what it boiled down to me. Why would I try to convince people so hard when I think it's more likely he's mafia? He wasn't even trying to defend himself at that point. 2) The "1v1" with TT was from my end mostly trying to convince him that I was town. The reason for this was that I recognized that we had pretty much the same view of the game day 1 and day 3 (day 2 is a bit whatever). Yes, he had made a case on me day 1 that I responded to, and I've gotten a lot of shit this game for not pushing on TT. But based on a lot of his posts he just looked more town to me. Why would I want to get jk'd? That serves no purpose in my mind since I'm already town, how does that help me solve the game. Also jk'ing TT was a great play because 1) he probably has a better handle of things and 2) because he was tunneling me since day 1. So if I get lynched and flip, if he's town you guys would pretty much auto-lynch him and town loses. 3) Looking into HF/DF is following you since you looked pretty town to me when I read through your filter yesterday. It's not a matter of not wanting to look into one or the other, just a matter of time available and priority in my mind. | ||
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On December 10 2016 02:40 Tictock wrote: Huh? I thought you were pretty sure Onegu is town, where are you getting him being mafia now? Also why save him for next phase if you think he might be mafia? I mean anyone at this point can be mafia except for you. I think he's probably more town than HF / DF at this point. Versus Mahr I dunno. Also maybe it's stupid logic but I really don't mind losing to Onegu, so to me I'd rather leave him until tomorrow. | ||
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On December 10 2016 03:52 Holyflare wrote: I feel like everything emp writes is absolutely appealing to emotion instead of solving the game. An excellent mafia strategy. Of course he can explain what he's thinking but that doesn't help solve the game. I feel like he's made a blunder with the poe thing and can't adequately explain why we're mafia. You're pretty much spot on with regards to the second paragraph, my mind is going in circles with who could be mafia. On December 10 2016 03:58 Holyflare wrote: Emp do something for me. I want you to do like a line summary of what you were thinking/did each day in the game up till now. Day 1: Trying to establish townieness and form town circle. More or less figured out NU after his pushes on me. Day 2: Thought that shape was more likely town, tried to get the most minimal thing out of him. Pretty much didn't do anything else since I spent a lot of time day 1, and shape / c8 demotivated me a lot. Day 3: Initially thought that rels could be maf, that was quickly dashed by sl rescinding. Spent some time figuring out sl in my mind. Tried to determine townieness on TT / convince him I'm town. Day 4: There was the claim thing where I thought the game might be over. Now trying to figure out who's town or not, and answer questions. | ||
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On December 10 2016 04:12 Holyflare wrote: This is remarkable difference to just last night btw. I don't think onegu or darth have changed but the poe has. You've flipped on me just as many times, so I don't know. Maybe we're both town. | ||
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On November 30 2016 07:30 darthfoley wrote: It's actually pretty crazy how bad sicklucker's filter is. This is so lazy and never explains anything. I only had like five posts at this point and he chose not to read any of them? Also provides no reason why he agrees with town reads. What made them horrible, and why does their interactions being horrible make them "very town"? When I think of "horrible" interactions, I think of two mafia buddies not knowing how to interact with each other in the thread He's a fine (at worst) policy lynch so far to be continued This is a good unprovoked attack on sl. sl trying to bus both his team mates day one seems so weird. Combined with the random "check me I'm green" post N1. Also I don't think that mafia would be so proud about finding the shapelog stuff start of N1. This is actually the first interaction in darth's filter that gives me pause, everything reads as town up to here. This I find really "convenient". On December 04 2016 05:59 sicklucker wrote: Lol he has df as his top town for literraly no reason. Just like he had me at the bottom even tho he was talking about 5 other players. He didnt mention df in his filter before this just like me. Knowing im fucking town and he put me at the bottom. This is just more proof to me that darth is his partner On December 04 2016 06:26 darthfoley wrote: Pretty sure it was the initial stages of buddying especially because I thought early game was town NU. Lat game I played with him was weird because he and calix were assholes to each other TvT the whole game, though I was more in the Calix supporter camp But keeping up the attack: On December 04 2016 07:08 darthfoley wrote: Lol @ the idea that SL tried to actively change the vote. You spent all day claiming that I was mafia 100%, recycled Koshi's accusation of me and then by EoD said I was spewed town by NU. You didn't try to change anything. White Knight To be continued, still reading through darth's filter. Initial impression is that it looks really good for darth, better than mahr I think. darth/sl as partners seems really unlikely from this. Whereas Mahr and sl's conversations could be more "convenient" (can't think of a better word at the moment). Just want to post some initial stuff since I realize I'm running out of time. | ||
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One final thoughts to wrap it up: based on the early game, if HF is a competent player, I think through no special effort darth managed to convince HF that he's town. Therefore, trusting this read, if HF is town he has no reason to lie, and darth is likely town. If HF is mafia he has reason to "buddy" darth, but there is only 1 mafia left, so darth is town as well here. | ||
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On December 10 2016 05:32 darthfoley wrote: I'd appreciate preferred lynch orders from TT and emperor if emp flips town. I'm assuming TT is emp --> HF, emperor what is your opinion? If you take everything at face value, then yes HF is super towny. That's the part that I'm struggling with at the moment. To throw some silly percents at it I would say that mafia is 55% Mahr and 45% HF. Practically, I would of course vote HF here since it doesn't feel like there's a lot of sentiment against Mahr at the moment. I'm waffling really hard between these two, and I think I'm going to re-read Mahr next. I feel pretty good about darth as town. If darth is mafia he had some maybe odd play at times, but overall good , so I'm fine with it. | ||
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On December 10 2016 05:38 Onegu wrote: Im voting with HF today and then if we dont win lynching him 100% tomorrow wish we could no lynch if we had to but o well. And yes that is all you are getting from me today. Dude this is pretty bad since there's a real possibility that Mahr could be mafia. If you're afraid of HF, then lynch him now, since auto-lynching him tomorrow is stupid I realize and will lose us the game if he's town. | ||
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On December 10 2016 05:44 mahrgell wrote: Not enough time to go post by post... But somehow my brain can't make much sense of what Emp is saying. I simply don't understand it as townish thinking and have no idea how he got there... At the same time his posts feel "real" from an emotional level... And still no idea what to make out of Onegu... so if I leave Onegu out, I'm at Head: Scum-Emp-DF-HF-Town Heart: Scum-HF-DF-Emp-Town Any parts particularly that you have trouble reconciling? | ||
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On December 10 2016 05:52 mahrgell wrote: and emp seems always to townread the guy most he read last... Reads my filter, calls me very sure town Reads DFs filter, calls DF sure town... The issue is that everyone looks town to me, so I feel like a gold fish whenever I read something again | ||
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On December 10 2016 05:56 mahrgell wrote: When you say "I thought there is a 40% chance of him being town" vs "he didnt even defend himself anymore -> no need for me to defend him"... I simply can't follow it... As I said... I had the same situation earlier the day, and simply can't follow your line... Also why did you feel the need to prove your towniness to TT? You weren't up for lynch... Also to me it looked way more like an accusation battle with both calling each other scum than an attempt to prove the own towniness. Would have to reread it though... Also I lack a clear line of your thoughts N3,D4... It again seems entirely unfocused... pretty much like "anybody but me" Why should I defend someone who gave up? It's a similar story with shape D2, except I had a good feeling that shape was actually town. With shape I tried my best to get something from him, and if he's not going to do anything then why should I bother. With sl I didn't even think he was town, I mean %'s are kinda dumb, but if you look at it in that way I didn't actually think he was town. Yeah there's a possibility, but if he's pretty much as you pointed out going for the NU approach then yeah, he looks like scum in the end. Proving my townieness makes to TT makes sense since I felt that he was probably town, and you want to work with other town. Having them tunnel you is bad for town and unproductive. I mean, I guess at this point I've narrowed it down to anybody but me, TT, Onegu, and DF , but theoretically I would be happy with anyone but TT over me since I know that we're both town. | ||
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On December 10 2016 05:58 mahrgell wrote: Well... who would you lynch instead of yourself Pending some more reading, my practically preferred lynch order would be HF->Mahr. | ||
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On December 10 2016 06:25 Holyflare wrote: But you've called me towny all game, you've sheeped my sentiment, I'm confirmed practically by jk actions, I pushed lynches through on two mafia when people wanted to not vote 1 of them and instead let them live, I've tinfoiled like crazy, I didn't even push easy lynches, I have a logical reason for everything I do, your % of me being mafia is less than mahr but you've called mahr town all day and mahr made sl claim jk, you've followed my push on mahr slipping but now have no reason to call me mafia, you town read darth last night and scum read onegu and nothing happened in between but somehow you magically had darth as mafia but now he's town again and onegu has disappeared from your scum list. You made a case on ticktock day 1 but refused to vote him for no good reason to jump onto your partner nu for credit, you did nothing day 2. You ABSOLUTELY did not push sicklucker day 2 until it was fucking down right obvious he was the lynch, you made the most wishy washy posts on nu in existence (read my case on you), you didn't die and ls did over you/mahr. Just join my vote that's still on Mahr and it's all cool then bruh | ||
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On December 10 2016 06:26 mahrgell wrote: Idk man... When you townread everyone else, maybe it is time to reread your own rolePM... Like somehow I feel like you are genuine... but at the same time I don't know who I really want to lynch over you (and you are not giving me any reasons to choose anyone else)... And: Why are you doing all this now right before deadline panic? Like why do you have to be on the block to even start to properly read anyone else? I just reread your filter, and you basically went completely in circles on everybody during D3. Why not do the research back then when you feel unsecure? I dunno, cause I'm bad at this game? | ||
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On December 10 2016 06:34 Holyflare wrote: Can darth be mafia though? I can certainly see it with him doing 0% of the figuring out. I don't personally believe that darth is mafia. | ||
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On December 10 2016 06:48 Holyflare wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/515094-a-mini-with-funny-gifs?page=92#1835 This is the page that really makes me think mahr and darth are town though. They make sl fake claim. Unless it was pre arranged but still... How confident in this are you? | ||
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knew df wasn't mafia, couldn't quite piece together between mahr and onegu :/ | ||
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