EPTOn November 30 2016 07:33 Rels wrote:
I think SL is town
I think SL is town
What makes ya think so?
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This post is not natural to me. 1) No mention of c8 when he actually makes quoted post (2). After quoted post (1) comes out, NU goes to reference it. 2) Makes me think NU was filtering c8 looking for something that looks bad to push him on it. Thoughts? | ||
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On November 30 2016 12:59 NeverUnlucky wrote: I don't quite understand 1) :3 But I did not filter checkm8 when I did that post. The first quote was directly directed to me, so it was fresh in my mind, and the second one was made while I was online, so I made the connection. Yeh, I figured that, I was asking why that is. Well at the moment I don't really understand where in the game you're at. So where are you at? | ||
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On November 30 2016 13:02 NeverUnlucky wrote: I'm up to date, I was thinking of filtering SL before heading to bed (in 15-20 minutes). Who is town for you, and who is mafia for you? | ||
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##vote: NeverUnlucky | ||
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tbh I forgot since it was so long ago... | ||
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On November 30 2016 15:35 emperorchampion wrote: @TT you seriously think both NU and I could be scum? To follow up: 1) Your case seems pretty weak if you are using my scum read on NU as a major piece of evidence, since you are scum reading him as well. 2) If your reads are as you say they are, I should be one of your top towns. | ||
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On November 30 2016 16:02 sicklucker wrote: pretty sure I cant be scum since everyone whos likely scum thinks im scum. Darthfoley mahgr never maybe emp I'm not maf, you're probably not either. Not understanding the high green reads on darth atm, so we agree on that. | ||
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I think maybe TT is the top lynch. Thinking about it after his sleep, his big post has sooo many inconsistencies. | ||
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On December 01 2016 01:01 emperorchampion wrote: ughghg I just don't know about you man. Your case on sl leaves me unconvinced because you are basically suspecting him for troll posts. I think maybe TT is the top lynch. Thinking about it after sleep, his big post has sooo many inconsistencies. EBWOP | ||
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On November 30 2016 15:21 Tictock wrote: Rels - Feels a lot like last game joining a bit late but just dropping thoughts as he has them. His "Ok NVM" posts support that he is just saying what he thinks as he thinks it, not trying to construct stuff. Very likely town. Holyflare - I don't agree with much of what HF said about gell, but it feels in line with stuff he's pushed before. To restate: I disagree with his reasoning to scumread mahrgell but it's not unlike pushes I've seen from town!HF before. There are a couple posts I feel could fall into DMA + Show Spoiler + Dick Move Analysis, basically just the trend that mafia aren't usually outright mean to other players Shapelog - I'm suprised how straightforward Shape is being this game honestly. Sure he threw out the cop WIFOM right off but that was pretty much the only time he hasn't been fairly serious this game. I'd be more worried about it if I didn't feel like I could see where he is coming from generaly and liked a few of the points he's been making. The one thing that stood out as strange to me was his NU read in #403 + Show Spoiler + Shape started off saying he didn't find much to sway him either way yet here was his conclusion: Overall he has been overstressing things more than they should, which is more AI of a scum player than a town player. But, NU tone as town in previous games is like that. And while he did say he was trying to change his meta, tone and writing style is harder to change than just what you post. He's null/light scum read, but once he posts more content posts (along with everyone else), I will relook. Onegu - Flipping my read from earlier. I gave Onegu some credit for doing some stuff right off and seeming like he was involved. Skimming his filter now I find basically nothing with real content in it. Seems like he burnt up a bunch of energy right at the start posting a bunch but now that there is stuff to actually discuss has dropped off. Would be someone to re-evaluate closer to EoD is I have time. LightningStrike - Kinda a lazy read but LS just feels tonally on point to me and has been pretty involved. I'd imagine him having a harder time being this comfortable rolling scum after such a long absence from playing. darthfoley - Pretty meh over his filter. I can kinda see where he is coming from at times, but I dislike how he dropped Shape from a townread to null just kus Rels asked him about it. I was going to call his vote on HF opportunistic, but he did mention not liking HF in an earlier post. I think I just need to see more from Darth to get a better read, I do recall him being a bit like this last game as well. Koshi - Like I said before I see no reason for him to take a step back from his scumread on me like he did if he were mafia. I also imagine he'd be way more burnt out rolling scum for the 5th game in a row. Sure he'd play to win still, but what I've seen is a fair bit above what mafia would need to be doing at this point in the game. Checkm8 - Not much to go on, and yea as others have mentioned he's overplayed the newb card. His one post of content felt legit. Idk, gut says town. mahrgell - Feels a lot like what I recall from last game and pretty tonally on point as well. I also liked his reactions to HF's pressure (possibly another DMA) and while I get his big reads post feeling a bit lackluster it also reads to me like his legit thoughts at the time. Fairly strong townlean here. emperorchampion - I honestly have no clue where Emp's head is at this game. Starts off some pressure on NU then does a 180 with no explanation and is now back to scumreading him. This post in particular stands out to me. This is where he 180's on NU, throws shade on LS for suggesting there is mafia between himself and NU (which is odd since he had also thought NU was sus a few posts before), doesn't like me, and the stuff about gell is almost litterally word vomit. Feels like a scatter shot post flinging shit and seeing what might stick. I really did try to find something redeeming in his filter that might make Emp town, but I came up with nothin. sicklucker - pretty dam null, nothing stood out to me either way NeverUnlucky - Reading through the game I kinda felt like NU is a lot more held back than I have ever seen him. I liked his point in #285 in response to Koshi. Other than that though I'm really not following his reads, and especially his pushes. Kinda a shame NU was last on the list, I feel like I need to be more awake to make a better read here. Leaving him as a scum read kus something feels off about him in my gut. ##Vote: emperorchampion Seems like the best option to me. I have an odd feeling that the Emp vs NU stuff so far has actually been Mafia on Mafia. NU has actually said very little about Emp despite being one of his scumreads and Emp's read on NU has been a bit all over the place. Their interactions are also pretty tame for two people scum reading one another as well. I might be hitting the tinfoil a bit here though. Lets talk about this post more. My conclusions: 1) TT is not following the game at all, or 2) TT is mafia. Consider the state of the game when this was made: Rels and Koshi were voting HF, I had just voted NU. 1) Two of the top town reads are Rels and Koshi, both are at the time voting for HF. He has a town read on HF. I don't see any justification for this stance. 2) The read of HF it self, partially green but null/conflicted. I'm not really sure what to make of that. I get the sense that the conflict between having HF as town and Mahrgell as town is noted, but dealt with so lazily. 3) Stating MvM between NU and I essentially means that TT thinks that 2 mafia have been found day 1. I find this to be a very odd conclusion. 4) The case on my self is truly baffling. Either TT is lying when he says that "I didn't find anything townie" or has not been reading closely at all. Let me outline: a) Two of his top towns, Rels and Koshi, are voting for HF. Koshi had 0 interest in voting HF prior to my posts #589 and #609. b) I am (to my knowledge at the time) not under consideration by: Rels, Koshi, LS, HF (?). All towns for TT. c) I am currently voting for one of his towns (LS) current target. d) The reasoning that I had for being suspicious of HF (#609) is the exact same as the reason that he is null/conflicted on HF. In summary: based on the 3 points above, if TT didn't find anything townie what so ever in my filter, then he must be lying. IF this is the case, the only purpose that makes immediate sense is that he's mafia. Otherwise, as stated, maybe he's not reading closely at all, but I think that makes him an OK lynch candidate as well. | ||
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I found his case against me to be malicious, in the sense that the quoted post was my "catch-up post", and was picked as something that looks bad. When making post #577 I haven't looked at the game for ~12 hrs, and this is the one that is used to build a case on me. TT completely neglects the state of the game after that, and the progression that has happened. To me, it comes across as "looking for something bad", versus actually understanding what's going on. This again is in direct conflict with the statement that : I really did try to find something redeeming in his filter that might make Emp town, but I came up with nothin. . Clearly TT looked through my filter, but chose to neglect everything past the very start of the day for me. | ||
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On December 01 2016 01:59 mahrgell wrote: @emp Interesting read. I guess I will look into it myself again. You say TT is your toplynch, but NU is still scummy for you? Given where the votes are now, do you want to "rescue" NU by directing the lynch at TT? Or keep it going and keep TT as your toplynch for tomorrow? I don't think I'm ready to move off of NU yet. Mostly I just want some more opinions on TT, and some defense by him. With NU, I find that his defenses read as town, but what he does afterwards makes me think he's scum again... not really sure what to make of it yet. | ||
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On November 30 2016 23:40 Koshi wrote: It is somewhat annoying that the list shuffles so much but that's life. This is close to where I'm at right now (swap EC for Koshi). 1) Rels feels underwhelming right now, but I'm not sure he's mafia. Shape in a similar boat right now. 2) Onegu similarly has been underwhelming to me. His thoughts on koshi are different and he has some misgivings about rels that I would give town points for. 3) HF needs to be looked at closer, not really sure what he's going for right now. No vote, major thing was a push on mahrgell, a day 1 lynch that is not looking like it's going to happen right now. Some working with koshi, some keeping koshi in check. I don't know where this leaves him. Some votes of confidence from a few people, but that's it. 4) c8 needs to generate more content. 5) darthfoley needs to generate more content. 6) sl I feel OK about right now. | ||
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On December 01 2016 03:12 NeverUnlucky wrote: Though I don't get how he can dedicate such thorough analysis on TT his scum-read and vote me because my actions make him feel uneasy. Think of it like activation energy at the moment. I'm possibly willing to move to TT, but I need a little push to get me out of my current state. | ||
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I think we go NU -> Onegu -> ? . | ||
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