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I would still like your answer to aboves question... Especially regarding the characterisation of SL... | ||
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I guess we talk tomorrow then... maybe there is more reason in the game then... | ||
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On December 11 2016 07:41 Onegu wrote: Except the Cop was dead when he went for he claim. His role was useless when he fakeclaimed. So that point doesnt matter. And yes he wants to make big plays and it doenst have to be someone he respects just someone he thinks can win. That could be you or HF maybe dearth... He 100% would never do it if I was the last scum I can tell you that for certain and that is what should clear me. I was talking about his pre EoN1 game, where he just parked his vote, rolled dice on his reads and shitposted... I already said that post EoN1 his play makes perfect sense with any player ho is still alive as mate... (and you saying otherwise about yourself won't account for much here  )But I was talking purely about D1/N1 | ||
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On December 11 2016 08:37 darthfoley wrote: You made a reasonable post that I agreed with and hf just said that it was terrible but you should vote for him. Don't know how you're supposed to converse if everything is WIFOM and OMGUS Didn't blame anyone. It was just a general feeling of the thread. And yes, HF is kinda in the centre of it, and I don't think any of his D5 posts tell anything about his alignment at all. So my read here stays the same. Question is just if someone "overtakes" him again. | ||
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This defense, 3 minutes before deadline with a sealed lynch on Emp who DF was certain to be last scum (so game should have ended) Given that this triggered most of the mess N4 had become... I seriously wonder if you read the game. | ||
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On December 11 2016 10:04 Onegu wrote: The more interesting post on that page is this. http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/mafia/515094-a-mini-with-funny-gifs?page=141#2804 HF says both you and DF made SL claim and it could have been pre arranged. But when I bring it up just now it being pre arranged is not likely and he doesnt talk about DF making SL claim also. Because that arguement could be used for both of you. You both went after SL. So why today leave out DF and go after DF. But if DF was pre arranged why couldnt yours Mahr be? It makes sense what you are saying... But in general you could notice that HF when being enraged about my case or whatever after EoN basically switched his scum suspect based on who he was talking to... Also with regards to DF he seems to be very flippy since midst of D4... between clearing him of doubt for menioned reasons back into going full battle mode "you are scum" In the end I have to say, if he is town and was indeed in full rage mode... I don't give too much about his targets and reasoning... If he was scum, well... again his stuff is mostly WIFOM and should not be relevant... So I'm waiting for him to come back calmly again but won't draw any conclusions from his early D5 posts. Which still leaves me with this completely weird N4 from him though. He should know perfectly well why people keep back information at this stage. He knew perfectly well that scum could indeed keep TT alive. Why was he suddenly interested in TT's opinion? (Really... you have to read the progression between HF and TT to understand how this is strange). Why push me to get my thoughts out asap, when there is still more than enough time uring the day to figure out things? It gave me really strong vibes of HF panicking, because for really the first time the game seemed to turn on him. And him trying to figure out who to nightkill. | ||
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On December 11 2016 12:10 darthfoley wrote: Where did you get the opinion that I was certain he was mafia? That's not true. Okay, you later said "pretty confident". Probably slightly too strong wording from me here. It still struck me as odd, especially as your defense towards HF asking you out on it didn't mention the "for postgame" idea from Onegu, which would actually make sense to me... But this wasn't your thinking. And I admit that I'm with HF here... it looks completely weird you were "pretty certain" about the game to end, emphasized several times this game how you think from phase to phase and not try to look too far ahead and have generally been rather reactive and "lazy" (no offense, dont jump me plz) and suddenly you post a defense, where you are "pretty certain" it is not necessary at all. | ||
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Well... let's say I have a hard time of merging your latest answers with the image you presented in this game  But if you are serious we can discuss this in post game... Anyway, if you are back in serious mode... DF it is for you? @DF How is your "let's investigate Onegu vs HF" going? I have to say, i somehow lack initiative from you... and this for quite some time now... We are down to 4... Sitting back and waiting for other to stir up shit is not really valid anymore... @Onegu Will your promised investigations be finished at a similar good timing as your TT case day3? | ||
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On December 12 2016 05:24 Holyflare wrote: What does your last post even mean wtf? At what point have I hidden anything? That you suddenly valueing TTs contributions is hard to believe. And that you not seeing any cases where holding back stuff is useful. Especially when scum has not yet decided on his final nightkill... and can either easily wifom of the victim or just remove a suspicious guy... But as I said... I dont think this discussion is relevant... Would be more interested in the question of who is scum if not you --- I have a rather packed day tmrw... so gonna be off for now... I should be able to follow the game tmrw via phone and post if it is really necessary, then I should be available in the evening until deadline... | ||
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With time slowly running low, I guess I can also say that I won't vote Onegu here... His own filter fits scum perfectly, but it is true that the filters of the known scum and oog stuff made my up my mind quite some time ago... Which leaves me with DF vs HF... HF: Yes, I originally expected Scum!HF to murder Onegu at night... And I was ready to jump him the moment Onegu dies, especially after he suddenly asked for TT and in general was really pushy to get information before EoN... And I'm kinda pissed at myself for actually pointing out those doubts during the night (let's come back to why hiding stuff is useful at night). From gut feeling, I (unsurprisingly) never felt good about HF. I think I pointed out my issues with his early game tunnels ignoring half the game and any questions. Him being so quick on declaring TOWNCONFIRMED on himself, with arguments he juggled as he needed is something that just screams... MEH to me... Yes, his bluecrumbs were terrible, but given the fact that there were less experienced players in the game, I still consider them an antitown play. You have to convince 2 scum that you are a blue, and chances of one seeing through it are high... But it is enough to convince one new blue (even Rels was obviously new enough) and you suck a protection where none is needed. There is still the issue with N2 though... Basically it is still the main reason why I doubt myself here... Giving SL KP had clear downsides with regarding to lylo if he gets blocked... (unless they changed the lynch last second... but given the short timeframe the possibility depends on how strict the mods were, were I would assume it not being possible) His later play I originally considered in line with Town!HF, but not with a Scum!HF cruising to victory... I admit that this read was probably simply my lack of experience. I didn't think the game would find that many turns in the coming days so I thought cruising to victory would have been way easier for him if he was scum... So let's consider this neut as it made sense for both alignments. N4 I detailed enough... Suddenly using "appeal to emotion" on everyone after bashing others for using it, in general the sudden change of tone and his unusual behaviour near EoN ticked me back on him. (I was originally looking into DF after his out of place defense) D5 here... uhm... I haven't seen much to change my mind on HF. Most was at best WIFOM and waiting for timecreep to cause doubts... But I guess regardless of his alignment I can consider his read on Onegu real, which kinda makes me feel better in that department. ----- DF: DF is pretty much the opposite of HF at this point... Especially his early game filter reads super fluent and reminds me of our last game... In general, the overall vibes I get from DF have always been more townish, at least early... Where he really dropped is later though. Basically since EoD2 I have the feeling he is mostly cruising by. This is not necessarily a change from his early game play, where he also followed that "observe and react" style... But it is simply not useful in a less populated endgame... And lazy sheeping is uncool, especially when he one post later flips 180° and goes for the accuser in the case he just supported and reasons with HF making that case... Talking about how we should kill HF over Emp (who DF considered topscum) again triggered my alarm bells... Yes, it certainly makes sense to sit at lylo with someone very scumsuspected... if you are scum yourself. His strange defense at EoD4 has been pointed out enough... And afterwards again, I lacked any initiative from him to solve the game, actually he was more concerned with defending himself. Regarding the argument of SLs filter... I'm not 100% sure if I wan't to WIFOM myself on the later stuff on SLs filter... I still feel like he intentionally tried to break rules there...But I guess HFs more detailed explanation makes kinda sense there... (then again, the more than obvious sliming from SL towards HF would also make perfectly sense in how I imagine that team in my mind ^.^) And well... there is still my doubt if SL would banzai with only DF goon on his team... (and again... even before Koshi!Cop died, SL's playstyle was full suicide mode) ---- Conclusion: I wish there was one... I guess: ##unvote Will think until I'm done here... and then back in the evening to decide... | ||
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##vote HolyFlare I asked this very same question about SLs D1/N1 play at night. Mr "There is no reason to ever hold anything back" HF decided to completely ignore it, called garbage on me, wanted to know where I am, fake raged... I brought it up again in the EoN case against you, again you ignored it... Suddenly you care? At this point I may even drop this point, but your reaction at night and now is quite... telling. Same with the "It would never make any sense to NK anyone but TT". First of all, this is some shit I would maybe believe from CM8... From you? Nope. Stop playing stupid, when it suits you... Then again, this is not the first incident of this type. You finally have to decide if you want to pretend you are the absolute god of this game or if you want to pretend it wouldn't have made sense there... And again... this was brought up at EoN - no reaction from you This was brought up by Onegu and basically the only reason he mentioned why he townread you (because he is still alive) - no reaction Now suddenly you react to me saying it again and try to use it? Cool! | ||
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On December 12 2016 23:50 Holyflare wrote: It's also absolutely bs that "I ignored you". I, yet again, explained how I wasn't here this weekend and wouldn't able to respond properly which you've, yet again, ignored. BUT that specific instance which you say I didn't respond to I DID. AND you exclaimed how both onegu's answers and mine were opportunistic for both of us. So not only did I respond (I thought you were asking about sl's usual play) but YOU also responded. You have a weak memory... You (and Onegu) responded to my first question, asking about SLs playstyle and I was amused by your answer. The one I'm talking about is that one regarding the impression of his D1/N1 play http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=26227996 Find your answer here... Oups... (and my impression of his play is summarized there in 2 lines... I'm proud of myself looking back here) --- And regarding you suddenly calling BS on me: Why didn't you do it earlier? I thought you are all about open cards? While we are at it: How come, you have again this behavior you had all game (except D3, where you were on me for that "slip") where you have absolutely nothing worth mentioning against me, indeed you even tell Onegu why you think that DF is more scummy than me and basically all your last filter pages that where not self defense rage were about how DF is scummy (or being mad at me for asking questions)... but suddenly you have to keep your options open again? And suddenly even Onegu is scumspected again? Wasn't he cleared few posts again? ---- And I don't think there is a point in arguing why your play indeed makes sense for scum, as you will do your usual "MIMIMIMI I would never do that as scum" bullshit again and we WIFOM each other out. Thats cool. But you can play this game alone with yourself. | ||
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Looks like absolutely nothing has happened? Cool. @HF: I think you should work on your messaging if you are sincere here... Maybe it would help if you would not always spin everything as you currently need it This is pretty much at this point the difference between you and DF for me.DF has kinda weird shit in his filter... but when asked on it, he answers in ways that somehow make me believe, that it was really that: weird shit that just happens in a 2 week game. You go completely personal and ham against everyone finding the slightest argument against you... and destroy your own narrative with each turn because in your next rage you twist everything the other way around... For someone who calls out, that playing with open cards is always the correct town play, you simply cased yourself... Then again, you also went mad on DF and me, when we went after you... And then told us that DF looks very scummy, because town would never get mad when someone they suspect as scum cases them Or did you always flip between who is it between DF and me, so you could get mad at the one bringing stuff against you as he was your current townread? | ||
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Especially after you said that I should not overthink SL's filter (when I was talking about his early filter while you now case DF based on what SL said while he was already going down. | ||
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On December 13 2016 02:30 darthfoley wrote: The problem with your reasoning is that I am town bro I've heard that before, but you forgot to mention that it was a great case. Or did you obmit that because HF already mentioned that? | ||
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Even in the last couple of hours you flipped between Onegu being potential scum and being certain town. You flipping back and fourth on me without doing anything isn't looking much better. Everything centered on DF... Still you "keep your options open" and don't even vote the only guy you are focussing on. Oh, and I don't believe that town playing a fully open cards game at lylo is correct. At least thats certainly not how I play my RL lylos as town. | ||
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 I obv suck at jokes. :/ | ||
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