[T] Dota 2 Mafia

On October 20 2016 09:12 iamperfection wrote:

you found something enlightening?

On October 20 2016 09:21 Hopeless1der wrote:

I'd argue I was the most useful of the trolls, trying to set up a fight against roshan, but hey, you do you scummer.

On October 20 2016 09:24 Hopeless1der wrote:

Yeah, the omgus defense...i think i was pretty transparent about it.

On October 20 2016 09:32 Hopeless1der wrote:
k so lamp, a large amount of dandel's posts are related to acro's rosh claim and me saying we oughta fite him. like read his (dandel's) filter, and then read ritoky's reason for calling me scummy. Does not compute imo.

On October 20 2016 10:48 WaveofShadow wrote:

Oh the irony

On October 20 2016 10:50 iamperfection wrote:
the fact that you would point it out

On October 20 2016 10:51 Hopeless1der wrote:

The part where you publicly outed the "doctor". This is a heavily themed and power-heavy game btw.

On October 20 2016 10:57 Hopeless1der wrote:

crumbing doctor isnt a thing? btw, I'm a doctor. not really, im like a paranoid remorseful nurse.

On October 20 2016 11:08 iamperfection wrote:

no i was just saying he is a lol player so he probably is dumb. i saw an opportunity to make a lol joke and i took it.

On October 20 2016 11:21 Hopeless1der wrote:

I'm liking this line of questioning less and less. There's no proof he "lied", nor is there proof that he claimed dazzle. He could be claiming shadow demon or nevermore, both heroes that could require extended time to ramp up their abilities in a flavor context, thus justifying his request to 'keep me alive'.

On October 20 2016 11:26 Hopeless1der wrote:

he basically claimed spirit breaker. Charge of Darkness is very close to Wave of Shadow.

On October 20 2016 11:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm honestly baffled anyone would think I'd come out and fully claim my role what, two hours into a heavily themed game with all sorts of shit flyin' around at any given moment?

I'm stunned speechless.
Silent, even.

On October 20 2016 10:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
Of all of the 378 heroes in this game I find it kinda funny I got this one. It's one of very few I'm actually aware exist, and it's also strangely appropriate given my name.

Some shenans defs gons be possibles this game. Keep me alive a while, k?

On October 21 2016 22:39 Koshi wrote:
Hopeless1der and Lunatic are my preferred lynches for today. Going to vote with Acrofoles because I like his case.

##unvote
##vote Hopeless1der

p60 atm

On October 21 2016 22:58 Hopeless1der wrote:
I should be in and out most of today.

Acro's case is on me is quite lulzy...and cherry picks a pretty small filter. Could you just...not sheep that terrible excuse of a case? Multiple people have expressed doubt about the case itself, and its relevance since I am notorious for living up to my name.

I dont like ptmc recently setting me up for a lynch that he can easily back off of by saying "oh look, hopeless is posting, not lynching anymore" regardless of how good/bad my content actually is.

Going to check up on Koshi meta in a bit.

On October 22 2016 01:17 Hopeless1der wrote:



Bruh..

On October 22 2016 02:38 Hopeless1der wrote:


Not sure if weird mechanic or host error? I'm listed twice in this vote count as a lynch target

On October 22 2016 03:11 Vivax wrote:
Lul this game.
My first post was just a giant idiot magnet, I just wanted to put something out there that had to sound super scummy, somewhat for fun, somewhat to see how people react. Can't believe anyone even takes the vote seriously (looking at TT).

On October 22 2016 04:35 Hopeless1der wrote:
This tictock wagon is weak. I dont think he's scum. He also hasn't even voted. If he ninjavotes, I'll be all for lynching tictock but right now it doesnt feel like a good lynch.

On October 22 2016 04:37 Hopeless1der wrote:
you're lynching him because he said Vivax has "easy townreads", but contradicts himself in literally the same post. Thats way too obvious.

On October 22 2016 04:37 Hopeless1der wrote:
you're lynching him because he said Vivax has "easy townreads", but contradicts himself in literally the same post. Thats way too obvious.

On October 22 2016 04:49 Hopeless1der wrote:

It feels as though the entire case hinges on the word "easy". What else did I miss? Imagine "easy" was replaced with "garbage", what's the rest of the case?

On October 22 2016 04:50 Hopeless1der wrote:

An hour...the votcounts have timers

On October 22 2016 08:36 NocturneMage wrote:


this is also how he was when I played against him in star wars minus the pissing people off part, but I haven't played against him in awhile, still good to know.

On October 22 2016 09:02 Hopeless1der wrote:


@the allcaps, I kind of feel like if he'd have come in and done anything it would just draw more attention to him, ending up with more people willing to shennany onto him. I'm like 80% confident koshi is town.

On October 22 2016 09:24 Hopeless1der wrote:


I'm referring explicitly to his actions at the deadline. Hell, even showing up in the first place after watching his movie was ballsy ass hell. I'm genuinely surprised less people jumped on him, which leads me to believe that the options are:


A) Koshi is scum

B) scum stayed on TT

or C) scum is afk/throwing away votes on outliers/replaced



I'm inclined to believe B&C at this moment, but I wouldnt be upset if koshi flipped. However, I have no intention of helping to flip him.

On October 21 2016 05:05 Lunaticman wrote:


I think it is very shallow as expected day one. It felt like he just wanted to assign blame to someone. Throwing the first rock if you will.

I like your idea of building a town circle, that is always the most important thing the first two days.

I'm also sad to see you say you will never play again maybe your just not in the mood.

Also I'm off to bed nn.

On October 21 2016 22:55 Lunaticman wrote:


HAHA :D this made me laugh thank you.

You don't want to engage me directly but now I won't let you slip between the cracks so you just try to shade me while voting someone else entirely. And you don't even post any reasons.

It is intresting people are town reading BT and scum reading me although we both have the exact same read on Koshi. This smells like mafia trying to save mafia.

On October 22 2016 03:28 Holyflare wrote:

There's an abundance of him defending fringe people, defended sicklucker, defended hopeless, defended GB. Defending gb is also another thing that doesn't make sense from his perspective, ritoky says that gb isn't pushing me and he usually does so it's scummy but tt defends gb while pushing that ritoky was scummy for not calling me out.

On October 22 2016 09:36 Hopeless1der wrote:
I want acro shot for being afk at/leading up to deadline but being here just after night post.

On October 21 2016 23:48 iamperfection wrote:
Who will be here at deadline reply to this post

On October 22 2016 09:41 Hopeless1der wrote:
I currently have some huge associative WIFOM between koshi, HF and Lunaticman. My read of koshi is town, and it really makes me hate HF and Lunatic. The fact that HF and Luna are weakly pushing each other gives me weak bus vibes, but again this is very associative. I will note that they've said the other is scummy but never voted to match.

On October 22 2016 04:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm not caught up but the rest of my day is going to be insane. Won't be around until after deadline.

If I can't see a good solid wagon to jump on I'll be throwing my vote on someone from my earlier list, so LT/GB most likely.

On October 22 2016 10:09 Hopeless1der wrote:

Did you take damage? how much?

(You can tell me you dont wanna answer if you have a reason to do so)

On October 22 2016 10:40 Hopeless1der wrote:

My problem is that I believe koshi more town than mafia, so the wagons are meaningless to me. The EoD stuff is therefore useless for me to analyze. I dislike HF, lunatic and acro atm. I'd like to lynch Lunatic next, and I'd like to shoot acro most atm. Notwithstanding his rosh claim early on, he basically lied about his availability and showed up to complain about a) we didnt lynch vivax and b) kp speculation type stuff.

On October 22 2016 10:48 Hopeless1der wrote:

@the italicized, thats mafia playground...I'm not wasting my time trying to wade through the WIFOM there.

Shooting the likes of GB over acro has its merits though. I need to not tunnel people who think I scum since it happens so often.

On October 22 2016 11:49 Hopeless1der wrote:
WoS, I'm not asking for you to give us the post itself, I'm asking the timestamp associated with the post/message that told you that you did take damage/ your KP was reduced. Surely you understand why I might give a shit about that, considering I'm keeping a record of claimed KP/HP/actions and you made a point of telling me you were "pristine".

On October 22 2016 12:36 Hopeless1der wrote:
I'd like to believe I spent a moderate amount of time talking to WoS after everyone else fucked off, such that LT's line of questioning feels like complete and utter bullshit. Yes/No?

On October 23 2016 07:40 Hopeless1der wrote:

Ranged attacks are a thing. Ability damage is a thing. I can hit anyone I want regardless of my place in the roster.

BRB voting vivax

On October 23 2016 07:43 Acrofales wrote:

Then skynx jumped over you to do something to btdt.

@skynx: why did you attack btdt?

On October 23 2016 07:49 Skynx wrote:

Your methods of reaching conclusions are faulty. I attacked iamp.
But why do you ask me a question in vain when you already made up your mind about my alignment and why do i even bother replying at all i have no idea fuck this.

On October 23 2016 13:27 Hopeless1der wrote:

sure, but he's also promised a double lynch, I'm willing to give him a cycle to produce it before he enters auto-lynch territory like vivax. Granted, I'm a little more lenient since I think hes town but nonetheless, he either gives us our double lynch or he gets killed himself.

On October 23 2016 13:35 Hopeless1der wrote:
do you fundamentally misunderstand how this game works SL? /ignore before i give myself an aneurism

On October 23 2016 13:44 Hopeless1der wrote:

and then we lynch him next...like wtf are you even arguing here?

On October 23 2016 16:30 Hopeless1der wrote:

I defer to his filter...like the fact that you need to ask reflects extremely poorly on you artanis.

On October 23 2016 17:03 Hopeless1der wrote:

Yes, failing to read a (literally) 1 page filter reflects poorly upon you. Cry about it more so we can shoot you in the face.

On October 24 2016 00:47 Koshi wrote:

I haven't followed that discussion.

On October 24 2016 10:42 GlowingBear wrote:


Considering we all have skills, wasting our actions to simply deal damage to people we think are "useless" is scummy.

If you have, I don't know, 4 skills, and you use your base damage day1 and night1, you're just trying to remove town from the game. You're not actually acting towards uncovering people's alignment.

On October 22 2016 23:29 GlowingBear wrote:
HF, why do you think I'm scum?

On October 24 2016 11:22 Hopeless1der wrote:



Skynx, Luna, GB are my choices for 2nd lynch. LT swiftly rising for trying to save Vivax and just being a general bonehead.

On October 24 2016 11:14 Hopeless1der wrote:

The level of nope i feel reading this is astonishing

On October 25 2016 22:13 Hopeless1der wrote:

I gave you a poormans jailkeep

On October 26 2016 07:13 Hopeless1der wrote:
I got bloody trucked. Good lord.

##vote: Vivax

On October 26 2016 07:24 Dandel Ion wrote:
anyway afk until vivax' flip

On October 26 2016 11:38 Hopeless1der wrote:

lamp seems like one of those roles that needs town coordination to shine, which we obviously dont have.

On October 26 2016 09:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
##vote: Vivax

My list as of last night still stands, except without the giant bold red letters on sicklucker.
Assuming most (if not all) of the town believes I am town as well, why exactly did so many people still shoot into LT tonight? I suppose I can't blame you guys entirely, but Tubesock you especially (assuming you did the brunt of the damage) wasting a massive KP for town on him when I didn't list him as scum----especially when you've had me hard town forever? Bleh.

Anyway, THIS LIST, in case people have ignored it so far:

Vivax
Glowingbear
Lunatic
Kurumi
Exo
Hamazura (???)
Artanis
sicklucker
Koshi


They all need to die. In something like this order, preferably. (I added Exo)

Glowingbear is scum.
I have confirmed this, and no, you don't need to know how.
Why am I claiming this now when Vivax is already up?
In case other people have some daytime stuff we can do to remove him. I'd give Koshi a chance here to do his thing today, but the reason he is on the list, is as I stated last night, it is nearly impossible to tell if he performed the no lynch action himself or if it was instigated by scum. If he is able to do it again today, we'll obviously know but until he proves himself town somehow (since a secret vote-damage-killing ability is not even remotely solely pro-town like he says) he needs to be on the block. As I believe he is likely at low life, this shouldn't be difficult.

There are probably one or two people I'm missing and maybe someone who's wrong on there. The lurk makes things fairly difficult, but I don't believe I am massively wrong. The people who are under some amount of suspicion like Ritoky (who I have zero reason not to believe his claim), Skynx, Tubesock and Bill Murray I am fine with.

As far as sicklucker---ugh. What I said about him last night is basically true. He's in Koshi tier right now because I can't be absolutely certain he isn't being the ballsiest scum ever---I could swear he has flat out claimed or made massive fakeclaims as scum before and had it work out for him. I don't know why I think this either but I'm not going to do the legwork involved. If somebody else wants to they're more than welcome. In any case, probabyl low priority right now but eventually he may have to be removed.

Iamp you're in HF tier for me right now---that is I'm a little paranoid. You're universally townread I believe and since you can't be 3P anymore (probably) the fact that you're still alive and mostly unscathed is concerning, but not to such a degree that I;m willing to even remotely focus on you above anyone else I've listed. Just some thoughts for the future (and I say HF tier because I'm sure you could be thinking the same about me if you're town---this is how HF and I play every game together. Neither of us ever truly trust the other.)

I can't be certain if protection was used on me last night (well I can, but you guys don't need to know how I'd know that either) but I didn't take any damage. Don't claim if you helped me out.

Random thoughts:
Scum KP likely works (I hope) similarly to how I did it in LoL mafia. There is likely some large amount of factional KP (whether this has to be delivered is a hosting choice I guess, and only somewhat relevant right now), and hopefully this can be reduced once we finally start picking them off. I would say if they can somehow prevent Vivax from dying AGAIN today we're probably super fucked because it seems as though they decided to chunk a few people last night instead of outright killing any one person just in case of protection. As such, use protection accordingly.

I should be able to do a bunch more going forward assuming I'm not silenced again or somebody does something real derpy.

I know this was kinda disjointed but I wanted to get some thoughts out while they were somewhat fresh.
There might be more.

On October 26 2016 11:41 WaveofShadow wrote:

So are you voting alongside us/helping us for now so the game continues?
I assume you just leave the game if you just get to where you want?

Is there anything that you're not telling us that can affect us in any particular way? Like can you recruit as some people were suggesting?

On October 27 2016 11:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
So paranoia has kicked in.

Acro I'd really appreciate if you could do away with GB with enough time left in the day for us to organize ourselves.
It's not that I don't trust you, but I don't trust you.


Guys, unless Acro does this, I expect you to be stacking KP onto GB. Doesn't seem too unreasonable.

On October 28 2016 02:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
kk switching to Luna. I'll be here around EoD.
##Unvote
##Vote Lunaticman

Should I switch my attack to Kurumi in case Lunatic gets shafted through this?