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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
October 05 2016 08:07 GMT
#808
On October 05 2016 17:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
Man hf where you go

He probably went to work. Don't worry I'm an expert on time zones. I need to know what time it is in the UK if I want to know what time is Marv's tea time.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
October 05 2016 15:20 GMT
#929
On October 05 2016 20:34 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 15:55 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 05 2016 15:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 05 2016 14:50 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 05 2016 14:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why is super town lol wtf.

Because I think that the cocky useless attitude and annoyance is harder to fake than it seems. Also the times that he has contributed I think he's made good points, i.e. Damdred's confidence on Marv and HF dropping his Calix push.

Lol wait wait you really need to expand on this. Cause it's really important

I don't think that scum becomes genuinely annoyed at somebody for not answering a question because they don't actually care about the answer. This is something that Superbia has to actively think of to fake.

If you're going for the cocky useless scum play, then you are drawing a lot more attention to yourself. It can be harder to pull off than you would think, and it's always a riskier gambit than just contributing more than the shittiest players.

Marv isn't going to roll over this game as scum because he hasn't played in months.

HF point was something that I noticed as well.

sounds logical, but it would be untrue. I would have been crushingly depressed not to have rolled town in my first game in 4 months and been even lazier than usual

When did you become such a baddie?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
October 05 2016 15:21 GMT
#931
On October 05 2016 20:50 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 20:33 marvellosity wrote:
And jat is frightfully dull. I also have less time than historically (hence first game in 4 months) but at least I say things occasionally interesting while i'm here

You are dull.
Also I remember you saying the exact same thing the last time I had little time to play. We all know how that ended.
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 20:35 marvellosity wrote:
also yeah, jat's push on Stutters looks quite bad.

What about it looks bad exactly? It was an observation and I did not follow up on it since stutters did not post since then. Hardly a push.

Nobody is accusing you for having little time to play, by the way. There's a reason why you are getting pushed over Koshi.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
October 05 2016 15:26 GMT
#933
On October 05 2016 21:12 Palmar wrote:
Regarding JAT, I don't know what to think about his response to me.

a) he might be (or he might believe that he is) correct that pressuring him to take a stance isn't going to work.

b) he also knows that I believe I can pressure him into submission as town, whether or not that is true seems irrelevant.

c) despite b), it's not certain that he thought about what I believe

So in general, I'm still sort of meh on JAT, he is doing the jat thing where he sort of casually comments along in the thread, and I always think he's mafia for it and sometimes I tunnel it and sometimes I leave it. I have no real idea what he actually is.


On October 05 2016 21:28 Palmar wrote:
I also think Grack might be mafia, he has no agenda that I can tell, he just sort of exists.

I don't think Palmar is reading the thread. He doesn't seem to have any idea that JAT isn't posting in response to himself.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
October 05 2016 15:29 GMT
#934
If Palmar isn't reading the thread that is scum points because his mafia play is exceptionally lazy.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
October 05 2016 15:34 GMT
#939
On October 05 2016 22:35 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 22:26 Calix wrote:
On October 05 2016 22:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 05 2016 22:00 Calix wrote:
Basically Grack is someone who is in my lean-town category because of some shitty/ weak reasoning, other people being scummier, etc. Consider it 'town by statistical probability'.

I expect my reads to change drastically depending on the flip.

Can you bring me through a quick summary of his alignment assuming bats flips town/scum?



If Bat is scum, then I'd look into Grack as he is a possible partner, wouldn't have pushed scum!bat much and focused more on pushing HF/ JAT and defending Superbia. (however I don't think Grack has said anything to/ about batsnacks that is scummy by itself)

If Bat is town then I don't see my opinion of him changing much, so town.

I'm not very comfortable with giving my thoughts on how I might view things in hypothetical scenarios so take with a grain of salt.


huh

I thought if bats is scum I was scum?! This doesn't make any sense. I mean sure, grack and bats can be a team but it does not fit in your supposed train of thought at all.

This actually makes some sense. If Batsnacks is scum it looks like I am trying to drive a wagon away from Batsnacks without defending him.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
October 05 2016 15:34 GMT
#940
Don't let baddies lynch Calix please.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
October 05 2016 15:40 GMT
#943
On October 06 2016 00:37 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2016 00:34 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 05 2016 22:35 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 05 2016 22:26 Calix wrote:
On October 05 2016 22:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 05 2016 22:00 Calix wrote:
Basically Grack is someone who is in my lean-town category because of some shitty/ weak reasoning, other people being scummier, etc. Consider it 'town by statistical probability'.

I expect my reads to change drastically depending on the flip.

Can you bring me through a quick summary of his alignment assuming bats flips town/scum?



If Bat is scum, then I'd look into Grack as he is a possible partner, wouldn't have pushed scum!bat much and focused more on pushing HF/ JAT and defending Superbia. (however I don't think Grack has said anything to/ about batsnacks that is scummy by itself)

If Bat is town then I don't see my opinion of him changing much, so town.

I'm not very comfortable with giving my thoughts on how I might view things in hypothetical scenarios so take with a grain of salt.


huh

I thought if bats is scum I was scum?! This doesn't make any sense. I mean sure, grack and bats can be a team but it does not fit in your supposed train of thought at all.

This actually makes some sense. If Batsnacks is scum it looks like I am trying to drive a wagon away from Batsnacks without defending him.

Way to miss the point.

I didn't. She said that you have been too reactive not that you are only scum because you are on a team with Batsnacks.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
October 05 2016 15:41 GMT
#944
On October 06 2016 00:31 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2016 00:21 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 05 2016 20:50 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 05 2016 20:33 marvellosity wrote:
And jat is frightfully dull. I also have less time than historically (hence first game in 4 months) but at least I say things occasionally interesting while i'm here

You are dull.
Also I remember you saying the exact same thing the last time I had little time to play. We all know how that ended.
On October 05 2016 20:35 marvellosity wrote:
also yeah, jat's push on Stutters looks quite bad.

What about it looks bad exactly? It was an observation and I did not follow up on it since stutters did not post since then. Hardly a push.

Nobody is accusing you for having little time to play, by the way. There's a reason why you are getting pushed over Koshi.

Not really. The only one who is pushing me right now is you and I easily refuted your "case".

Pretty much everyone in the thread has called your play unusually boring. I can assemble a line of quotes if needed.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
October 05 2016 15:42 GMT
#946
On October 06 2016 00:30 Palmar wrote:
Calix is 100% mafia

Why?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
October 05 2016 15:49 GMT
#950
On October 06 2016 00:42 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2016 00:40 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 06 2016 00:37 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 06 2016 00:34 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 05 2016 22:35 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 05 2016 22:26 Calix wrote:
On October 05 2016 22:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 05 2016 22:00 Calix wrote:
Basically Grack is someone who is in my lean-town category because of some shitty/ weak reasoning, other people being scummier, etc. Consider it 'town by statistical probability'.

I expect my reads to change drastically depending on the flip.

Can you bring me through a quick summary of his alignment assuming bats flips town/scum?



If Bat is scum, then I'd look into Grack as he is a possible partner, wouldn't have pushed scum!bat much and focused more on pushing HF/ JAT and defending Superbia. (however I don't think Grack has said anything to/ about batsnacks that is scummy by itself)

If Bat is town then I don't see my opinion of him changing much, so town.

I'm not very comfortable with giving my thoughts on how I might view things in hypothetical scenarios so take with a grain of salt.


huh

I thought if bats is scum I was scum?! This doesn't make any sense. I mean sure, grack and bats can be a team but it does not fit in your supposed train of thought at all.

This actually makes some sense. If Batsnacks is scum it looks like I am trying to drive a wagon away from Batsnacks without defending him.

Way to miss the point.

I didn't. She said that you have been too reactive not that you are only scum because you are on a team with Batsnacks.

Wrong.
But irrelevant. Even if she scumread me independently I would still be mafia in her world and this still eould make no sense.

Fact check: Calix has called JAT reactive.
On October 05 2016 16:27 Calix wrote:
Not quotes but JAT has a lot of posts where he says "XYZ is behaving normally for them" or asking a question and then not going anywhere with them.

Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 00:47 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 05 2016 00:41 Calix wrote:
Also if anyone wants to comment on batsnacks' filter so far then knock yourself out.

0 problems with his filter so far. Generally town batsnacks doesn't give a fuck/is very sassy/self-confident while scum batsnacks tends to blend in immediately.
Not really conclusive since I think he was improving his game the last time I saw him as mafia but I wouldn't lynch him right now.


Here JAT's response is to characterise batsnacks as 'sassy and self-confident' (implying that these are accurate words to describe his filter).

He also notes that batsnacks had been 'improving his scum game' - an odd thing to note on someone that you claim to have 'no problems' with so far.

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On October 05 2016 01:19 justanothertownie wrote:
I still maintain that I do not have a particular problem with his filter but I retract my confidence.


This doesn't make sense. He didn't have much confidence in his read to begin with (i.e., the comment about an improved mafia game) and how does one lose confidence without seeing a problem with the filter?

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On October 05 2016 01:22 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 05 2016 01:19 Calix wrote:
On October 05 2016 01:16 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 05 2016 01:11 Calix wrote:
On October 05 2016 00:47 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 05 2016 00:41 Calix wrote:
Also if anyone wants to comment on batsnacks' filter so far then knock yourself out.

0 problems with his filter so far. Generally town batsnacks doesn't give a fuck/is very sassy/self-confident while scum batsnacks tends to blend in immediately.
Not really conclusive since I think he was improving his game the last time I saw him as mafia but I wouldn't lynch him right now.


Eh?

I didn't get the impression that he was being that sassy or whatnot.

In fact, his filter is one that I'd characterise as "trying to blend in" so I don't relate to your impression of him. I don't have a 'case' per se but my impression of him is that he's popping in to make comments which sound okay by themselves but add up to a poor filter.

Namely he has a few pre-flip association theories which don't tell us much about where he actually stands on the players as individuals.

#266 pinged me because he doesn't really SAY anything in it. He waffles around, seemingly contemplating the possibility of scum!Calix, and then concludes null on NU/ myself (although he says that NU 'gives him town vibes'?) and his argument is "if they're TvT then it would be more obvious since they seem to know each other well"

#334 and #399 read like he's throwing shade on everyone in the NU/ Calix/ HF debacle. He throws up ideas where we could all be scum at certain points...but we have NO idea of where he actually stands.

This is lazy but I think he's a good candidate for scum atm.

On October 05 2016 00:55 batsnacks wrote:
On October 05 2016 00:32 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On October 05 2016 00:26 Calix wrote:
On October 05 2016 00:14 batsnacks wrote:
Calix said that there was no specific evidence she could produce for NU abusing PMs as Mafia, even though she implied NU did this as Mafia before
Holyflare said "produce evidence or die"

Those events happened in that order. Maybe Mafia Holyflare knowingly issued Calix an impossible task to make the narrative for Calix being Mafia stronger? Anyway that's what I was thinking hopefully it makes sense.


Quote the posts please. I explicitly said that I had no specific evidence after HF's last post iirc.

On another note, Palmar is underwhelming as fuck so far. Wouldn't mind policy-lynching him.


No, this post was not against you. It was against HF. Read snacks's post again. It's about HF being aware that what he is asking you is impossible for you to deliver, thus making you appear mafia.

offski

Yeah this is also effective if holyflare is town though so I guess it depends whether or not town Holyflare thinks Calix is Mafia.

Holyflare wasn't wrong about anything he said it just seemed like a pretty dramatic way to be right. Calix wrote it off st the time as Holyflare being a dramatic person, I would probably be more concerned about it in her position.


HF is a dramatic person though? You're not actually faulting HF's arguments, you're just faulting his confidence which he can do as any alignment. (aka it's null) No idea why you're hung up on this.

Also how is your point 'effective' if your original point had HF as scum? I don't understand.

Actually there is less of that stuff in his filter than I remembered. But there are still quite a few posts I would label as typical town bats posts. Maybe I didn't use the correct words to describe the tone:
On October 04 2016 07:24 batsnacks wrote:
Just a scummy pop in post nothing to see here.

On October 04 2016 21:45 batsnacks wrote:
lol someone said "Power Wolf" that sounds like a sex thing

On October 04 2016 22:40 batsnacks wrote:
Also check out this skit I'm imagining

Mafia Calix goes after Mafia NU for dumb PM BS
People are town reading Mafia NU, Mafia Calix is going in too hard and getting heat
They buddy up and everything is suddenly fine after almost 24 hours of Calix scum reading NU for NAI reasons

Pretty good right?




First two look like typical shit-posts to me.

Third one is one of the reasons why I'm suspecting him.

So not terribly convinced here but I'll see.

The quality of the content doesn't necessarily correlate with the overall usefullness of a post to get a read. Those ARE shitposts. But in my experience town batsnacks is more likely to make shitposts like that. If you want to judge him on content you will have a bad time if he is town.


Show nested quote +
On October 05 2016 01:26 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 05 2016 01:23 Calix wrote:
I'm not bothered about his shit-posts; they don't factor into the main issues I have with him.

I just don't think they warrant a town-read unless you're saying that he's one of those types who is more serious as scum.

He is definitely one of thise types.


And on the heels of losing his confidence, he makes these two posts:

Soft-ball defense of batsnacks using his shit-posting, arguing that this shows batsnacks is less serious and thus is likely town.

His last post says that batsnacks is "definitely" one of the types to be more serious as scum. This is an odd shift in confidence from "having retracted [his confidence]" to now being sure that batsnacks acts in a certain way as scum.

On October 05 2016 16:38 Calix wrote:
Also while I'm here, if anyone wants to present actual analysis for why batsnacks can be town, I'd like to hear it.

Because so far, I've seen nothing convincing outside of "he's hilarious" (courtesy of NU) and "some of his later posts were okay" (which doesn't invalidate the earlier points)

Both batsnacks and JAT are playing passively imo
.

We rate the claim true.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
October 05 2016 15:50 GMT
#951
On October 06 2016 00:46 Palmar wrote:
as an alternative I'll also accept killing Grackaroni

And why would you do such a thing, grand maester Palmar, when I have been doing your job for you?
On October 05 2016 02:01 Palmar wrote:
I kinda want to bully someone, but I'm also lazy and I need to go soon, so I'm not gonna.

excellent bully targets are jat and superbia. They're both kinda.... here, but not doing much. Which isn't really scummy for either of them, as that's what they do all the time, but we need to make them commit to shit to figure out what they actually think.

Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
October 05 2016 15:59 GMT
#955
On October 06 2016 00:54 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 06 2016 00:49 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 06 2016 00:42 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 06 2016 00:40 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 06 2016 00:37 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 06 2016 00:34 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 05 2016 22:35 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 05 2016 22:26 Calix wrote:
On October 05 2016 22:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 05 2016 22:00 Calix wrote:
Basically Grack is someone who is in my lean-town category because of some shitty/ weak reasoning, other people being scummier, etc. Consider it 'town by statistical probability'.

I expect my reads to change drastically depending on the flip.

Can you bring me through a quick summary of his alignment assuming bats flips town/scum?



If Bat is scum, then I'd look into Grack as he is a possible partner, wouldn't have pushed scum!bat much and focused more on pushing HF/ JAT and defending Superbia. (however I don't think Grack has said anything to/ about batsnacks that is scummy by itself)

If Bat is town then I don't see my opinion of him changing much, so town.

I'm not very comfortable with giving my thoughts on how I might view things in hypothetical scenarios so take with a grain of salt.


huh

I thought if bats is scum I was scum?! This doesn't make any sense. I mean sure, grack and bats can be a team but it does not fit in your supposed train of thought at all.

This actually makes some sense. If Batsnacks is scum it looks like I am trying to drive a wagon away from Batsnacks without defending him.

Way to miss the point.

I didn't. She said that you have been too reactive not that you are only scum because you are on a team with Batsnacks.

Wrong.
But irrelevant. Even if she scumread me independently I would still be mafia in her world and this still eould make no sense.

Fact check: Calix has called JAT reactive.
On October 05 2016 16:27 Calix wrote:
Not quotes but JAT has a lot of posts where he says "XYZ is behaving normally for them" or asking a question and then not going anywhere with them.

On October 05 2016 00:47 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 05 2016 00:41 Calix wrote:
Also if anyone wants to comment on batsnacks' filter so far then knock yourself out.

0 problems with his filter so far. Generally town batsnacks doesn't give a fuck/is very sassy/self-confident while scum batsnacks tends to blend in immediately.
Not really conclusive since I think he was improving his game the last time I saw him as mafia but I wouldn't lynch him right now.


Here JAT's response is to characterise batsnacks as 'sassy and self-confident' (implying that these are accurate words to describe his filter).

He also notes that batsnacks had been 'improving his scum game' - an odd thing to note on someone that you claim to have 'no problems' with so far.

On October 05 2016 01:19 justanothertownie wrote:
I still maintain that I do not have a particular problem with his filter but I retract my confidence.


This doesn't make sense. He didn't have much confidence in his read to begin with (i.e., the comment about an improved mafia game) and how does one lose confidence without seeing a problem with the filter?

On October 05 2016 01:22 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 05 2016 01:19 Calix wrote:
On October 05 2016 01:16 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 05 2016 01:11 Calix wrote:
On October 05 2016 00:47 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 05 2016 00:41 Calix wrote:
Also if anyone wants to comment on batsnacks' filter so far then knock yourself out.

0 problems with his filter so far. Generally town batsnacks doesn't give a fuck/is very sassy/self-confident while scum batsnacks tends to blend in immediately.
Not really conclusive since I think he was improving his game the last time I saw him as mafia but I wouldn't lynch him right now.


Eh?

I didn't get the impression that he was being that sassy or whatnot.

In fact, his filter is one that I'd characterise as "trying to blend in" so I don't relate to your impression of him. I don't have a 'case' per se but my impression of him is that he's popping in to make comments which sound okay by themselves but add up to a poor filter.

Namely he has a few pre-flip association theories which don't tell us much about where he actually stands on the players as individuals.

#266 pinged me because he doesn't really SAY anything in it. He waffles around, seemingly contemplating the possibility of scum!Calix, and then concludes null on NU/ myself (although he says that NU 'gives him town vibes'?) and his argument is "if they're TvT then it would be more obvious since they seem to know each other well"

#334 and #399 read like he's throwing shade on everyone in the NU/ Calix/ HF debacle. He throws up ideas where we could all be scum at certain points...but we have NO idea of where he actually stands.

This is lazy but I think he's a good candidate for scum atm.

On October 05 2016 00:55 batsnacks wrote:
On October 05 2016 00:32 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On October 05 2016 00:26 Calix wrote:
[quote]

Quote the posts please. I explicitly said that I had no specific evidence after HF's last post iirc.

On another note, Palmar is underwhelming as fuck so far. Wouldn't mind policy-lynching him.


No, this post was not against you. It was against HF. Read snacks's post again. It's about HF being aware that what he is asking you is impossible for you to deliver, thus making you appear mafia.

offski

Yeah this is also effective if holyflare is town though so I guess it depends whether or not town Holyflare thinks Calix is Mafia.

Holyflare wasn't wrong about anything he said it just seemed like a pretty dramatic way to be right. Calix wrote it off st the time as Holyflare being a dramatic person, I would probably be more concerned about it in her position.


HF is a dramatic person though? You're not actually faulting HF's arguments, you're just faulting his confidence which he can do as any alignment. (aka it's null) No idea why you're hung up on this.

Also how is your point 'effective' if your original point had HF as scum? I don't understand.

Actually there is less of that stuff in his filter than I remembered. But there are still quite a few posts I would label as typical town bats posts. Maybe I didn't use the correct words to describe the tone:
On October 04 2016 07:24 batsnacks wrote:
Just a scummy pop in post nothing to see here.

On October 04 2016 21:45 batsnacks wrote:
lol someone said "Power Wolf" that sounds like a sex thing

On October 04 2016 22:40 batsnacks wrote:
Also check out this skit I'm imagining

Mafia Calix goes after Mafia NU for dumb PM BS
People are town reading Mafia NU, Mafia Calix is going in too hard and getting heat
They buddy up and everything is suddenly fine after almost 24 hours of Calix scum reading NU for NAI reasons

Pretty good right?




First two look like typical shit-posts to me.

Third one is one of the reasons why I'm suspecting him.

So not terribly convinced here but I'll see.

The quality of the content doesn't necessarily correlate with the overall usefullness of a post to get a read. Those ARE shitposts. But in my experience town batsnacks is more likely to make shitposts like that. If you want to judge him on content you will have a bad time if he is town.


On October 05 2016 01:26 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 05 2016 01:23 Calix wrote:
I'm not bothered about his shit-posts; they don't factor into the main issues I have with him.

I just don't think they warrant a town-read unless you're saying that he's one of those types who is more serious as scum.

He is definitely one of thise types.


And on the heels of losing his confidence, he makes these two posts:

Soft-ball defense of batsnacks using his shit-posting, arguing that this shows batsnacks is less serious and thus is likely town.

His last post says that batsnacks is "definitely" one of the types to be more serious as scum. This is an odd shift in confidence from "having retracted [his confidence]" to now being sure that batsnacks acts in a certain way as scum.

On October 05 2016 16:38 Calix wrote:
Also while I'm here, if anyone wants to present actual analysis for why batsnacks can be town, I'd like to hear it.

Because so far, I've seen nothing convincing outside of "he's hilarious" (courtesy of NU) and "some of his later posts were okay" (which doesn't invalidate the earlier points)

Both batsnacks and JAT are playing passively imo
.

We rate the claim true.

Why are you going out of your way to avoid the actual issue? Calix admitted herself that the association with batsnacks was a major part of her read. And knowing that what she said just makes 0 sense.

Go read HFs post about it instead of trying to sidestep. It sums it up pretty well.

I read the post, I just don't agree. Calix has been townie this game and I don't expect her to have 100% confidence that her scum team is right.

I have to go. Let us pray for Marv's benevolence.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
October 05 2016 16:02 GMT
#956
Also HF's JAT read in his rant post was super timid.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
October 05 2016 16:11 GMT
#960
On October 06 2016 01:07 justanothertownie wrote:
He clearly decided he would defend calix no matter what before actually reading what has been said about her.

Clearly
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
October 05 2016 17:20 GMT
#981
On October 06 2016 01:20 justanothertownie wrote:
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On October 06 2016 01:11 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 06 2016 01:07 justanothertownie wrote:
He clearly decided he would defend calix no matter what before actually reading what has been said about her.

Clearly

Indeed.

You immediately rushed to her defense without understanding the accusation against her as evidenced here:
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On October 06 2016 00:34 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 05 2016 22:35 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 05 2016 22:26 Calix wrote:
On October 05 2016 22:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 05 2016 22:00 Calix wrote:
Basically Grack is someone who is in my lean-town category because of some shitty/ weak reasoning, other people being scummier, etc. Consider it 'town by statistical probability'.

I expect my reads to change drastically depending on the flip.

Can you bring me through a quick summary of his alignment assuming bats flips town/scum?



If Bat is scum, then I'd look into Grack as he is a possible partner, wouldn't have pushed scum!bat much and focused more on pushing HF/ JAT and defending Superbia. (however I don't think Grack has said anything to/ about batsnacks that is scummy by itself)

If Bat is town then I don't see my opinion of him changing much, so town.

I'm not very comfortable with giving my thoughts on how I might view things in hypothetical scenarios so take with a grain of salt.


huh

I thought if bats is scum I was scum?! This doesn't make any sense. I mean sure, grack and bats can be a team but it does not fit in your supposed train of thought at all.

This actually makes some sense. If Batsnacks is scum it looks like I am trying to drive a wagon away from Batsnacks without defending him.

Then you try to defend her by arguing her scumread on me doesn't depend on batsnacks which it evidently does.
And when all fails you just claim that you think she can forget her scumreads.
You defended for 2 separate and incorrect reasons before actually understanding the argument and then kept doing it.

No, no, no. I fully understand the contradiction (and have for some time) and I don't think it's noteworthy.

You argued that Calix's read was 99% association with you, which wasn't true because she gave the same reasons that other people have been giving on you. She said that if Batsnacks is scum I should be looked at, and it's hard to argue with that lol. I don't expect her to be certain enough in her associative read to ignore other possibilities like me trying to push the lynch away from Batsnacks.

I have at no point argued that she could have forgot. Quit spinning falsehoods.

On October 06 2016 02:12 justanothertownie wrote:
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On October 06 2016 02:04 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On October 05 2016 23:49 justanothertownie wrote:
On October 05 2016 23:41 NeverUnlucky wrote:
I have the same conclusion s as cypherbia on grasp and bats. I think they are town.

I would Lynch jat 10 times before voting bats. Jat s defense on #811 ( can't quote from phone) was him saying that his play this game corresponds to his town meta. This is a prime example of a scum being aware of his town palsy and trying to replicate it.

Also, calix, why Re you using the bats. Jat interaction against bats? Jat defense of bats makes jat and jat only scummy.


No, this is a prime example of someone getting scumread for playing his townmeta.
Your logic doesn't work. "He says he is playing his townmeta so obviously he is just trying to replicate it". Retarded.

If you don't believe me you can easily check if I am telling the truth.

Lmao. You are proving my point. You think simply playing aling your town meta should warrant a town read. That's what scum thinks. Town just plays the way they want, not bring worries of following a certain predefined meta.

Justanotherscum

Are you dense?

What I am saying is the following:

Grackaroni is scumreadign me FOR something that is a known staple of my townmeta which makes the read completely nonsensical. The point is not "I am playing my townmeta so I am town" even though that would be entirely correct.

And again I could put together a quote compilation of people commenting on your play and I haven't seen a single confident defender, which is not a great sign for somebody playing so perfectly to their town meta.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
October 05 2016 17:21 GMT
#982
Now, I'd rather lynch Palmar today because he isn't reading while still trying to seem connected to the game.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
October 05 2016 17:23 GMT
#984
Let us begin the charge, my minions. Glory and riches await.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
October 05 2016 17:39 GMT
#997
On October 06 2016 02:27 NeverUnlucky wrote:
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On October 06 2016 02:23 Grackaroni wrote:
Let us begin the charge, my minions. Glory and riches await.

Whose kingdom shall we raid first?

The kingdom of Palmargard of course. I have heard from a source that they have phat loots.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9857 Posts
October 05 2016 17:43 GMT
#1004
On October 06 2016 00:26 Grackaroni wrote:
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On October 05 2016 21:12 Palmar wrote:
Regarding JAT, I don't know what to think about his response to me.

a) he might be (or he might believe that he is) correct that pressuring him to take a stance isn't going to work.

b) he also knows that I believe I can pressure him into submission as town, whether or not that is true seems irrelevant.

c) despite b), it's not certain that he thought about what I believe

So in general, I'm still sort of meh on JAT, he is doing the jat thing where he sort of casually comments along in the thread, and I always think he's mafia for it and sometimes I tunnel it and sometimes I leave it. I have no real idea what he actually is.


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On October 05 2016 21:28 Palmar wrote:
I also think Grack might be mafia, he has no agenda that I can tell, he just sort of exists.

I don't think Palmar is reading the thread. He doesn't seem to have any idea that JAT isn't posting in response to himself.

I've seriously given one of the best cases in thread on Palmar right here. When Palmar is town and doesn't read the thread he'll let people know and be useless. Here he is pretending like he has contributions to make, but if you look further you can see that he has absolutely no clue what has been going on in the last 10-15 pages. Scum Palmar is too lazy to read and just skims.
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