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Nu why is it again that sky can town hunt and you say he's scum hunting, but when I'm largely town hunting and trying to build what I think is the right group I am not?
And no I disagree with your conclusions over all on sky him voting tt especially when there was a movement away from tt (to a poont) is just scummy.
In fact he complains about people ignoring the other lurkers and never really brings much of anything worth talking about up just says the filter he checked wasn't that bad.
Then he bites someone who he really shouldn't given his filter. So no it's scum
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On September 11 2016 08:03 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 07:57 Damdred wrote:
Nu why is it again that sky can town hunt and you say he's scum hunting, but when I'm largely town hunting and trying to build what I think is the right group I am not?
And no I disagree with your conclusions over all on sky him voting tt especially when there was a movement away from tt (to a poont) is just scummy.
In fact he complains about people ignoring the other lurkers and never really brings much of anything worth talking about up just says the filter he checked wasn't that bad.
Then he bites someone who he really shouldn't given his filter. So no it's scum The difference is that you are not confrontational at all in your posts. As if you didn't want to make enemies. That just fits with you town-hunting rather than scum-hunting. Why is it scummy then? You make a point. However, you never really brought anything worth talking about either. Does that make you scum as well? How is this making him scummy?
Confrontational is a nai trait scum can be nice or mean and,the same as town. This is a non point
I have talked about whatever I wanted to,when,I was in,thread, the fights. Reads, my read on tt most,of,these things were ignored by you however.
Idk if voting is mandatory where you are, but jumping on at the end,has the least amount,of responsibilities and,if he brought,hf near tie and hf,flipped even more heat would be on him.
His decision making,process does not portray town trying to push or figure out anything. Like what he said about ignoring super shape etc but never pushes then himself and votes the person he was upset we were pushing.
That's not town.
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Nu is just a joker now, makes me laugh.
In any case @Shape I think what hi was looking for on a reread was him actually bringing things up about the others in the pool.
Lets be honest sky is good at making cases and I don't see it here, he's good with reasoning and while I can see consolidation being the answer it just doesn't make a lot of sense with how his stance was when he entered the thread.
And he was pre try side lines during,the lynch and most of the day (slight hypocritical at parts of,me,to say).
Do you disagree?
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I'm here always pulling you back in shape!
The most likely motivation is easy ml and being under the radar in a somewhat lazy and hf driven game that's contentious at points.
Other than that it's towny looking to consolidate at least.
As for tw idk I'm suspicious and vivax has fallen off a lot to.
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On September 11 2016 09:22 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2016 05:22 Damdred wrote:
So, hi. I have destroyed my phone by accidentally flushing it down the toilet.
So going to,be kinda not here as much until I get a new one. Will attempt to,catch up and make hf sheep me or sheep hf. Or lynch hf. Also three options possible (love you buddy) How do you even? I...... YOU ARE OUR CHAMPION FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!
I was getting up put my phone on the back of the toilet flushed and the phone fell and I went...
Nooooooooooooo, you were the chosen one.
My wife is somewhat upset at me.
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Nothing that's posted makes me scum and honestly calix is creating a narrative that just fits what they want to see.
Sk might be scum I'm not sure the inconsitincies are more scum leaning but not,sure.
Anyway I'll probably be around some,then be here later on Monday.
Also I expected more from you hf.
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On September 11 2016 22:31 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 07:57 Damdred wrote:
Nu why is it again that sky can town hunt and you say he's scum hunting, but when I'm largely town hunting and trying to build what I think is the right group I am not?
And no I disagree with your conclusions over all on sky him voting tt especially when there was a movement away from tt (to a poont) is just scummy.
In fact he complains about people ignoring the other lurkers and never really brings much of anything worth talking about up just says the filter he checked wasn't that bad.
Then he bites someone who he really shouldn't given his filter. So no it's scum Into Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 08:10 Damdred wrote:On September 11 2016 08:03 NeverUnlucky wrote:On September 11 2016 07:57 Damdred wrote:
Nu why is it again that sky can town hunt and you say he's scum hunting, but when I'm largely town hunting and trying to build what I think is the right group I am not?
And no I disagree with your conclusions over all on sky him voting tt especially when there was a movement away from tt (to a poont) is just scummy.
In fact he complains about people ignoring the other lurkers and never really brings much of anything worth talking about up just says the filter he checked wasn't that bad.
Then he bites someone who he really shouldn't given his filter. So no it's scum The difference is that you are not confrontational at all in your posts. As if you didn't want to make enemies. That just fits with you town-hunting rather than scum-hunting. Why is it scummy then? You make a point. However, you never really brought anything worth talking about either. Does that make you scum as well? How is this making him scummy? Confrontational is a nai trait scum can be nice or mean and,the same as town. This is a non point I have talked about whatever I wanted to,when,I was in,thread, the fights. Reads, my read on tt most,of,these things were ignored by you however. Idk if voting is mandatory where you are, but jumping on at the end,has the least amount,of responsibilities and,if he brought,hf near tie and hf,flipped even more heat would be on him. His decision making,process does not portray town trying to push or figure out anything. Like what he said about ignoring super shape etc but never pushes then himself and votes the person he was upset we were pushing. That's not town. Into Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 22:27 Damdred wrote:
Nothing that's posted makes me scum and honestly calix is creating a narrative that just fits what they want to see.
Sk might be scum I'm not sure the inconsitincies are more scum leaning but not,sure.
Anyway I'll probably be around some,then be here later on Monday.
Also I expected more from you hf. Kill with fire guys.
Why is being unsure at points scum indicative again?
You can give some generalized reason about scum finding it hard to make scum reads. But the problems I pointed out are real.
My town reads nu and shape think I am off base on my reasoning which I need to,check,into more.
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On September 11 2016 22:15 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 19:04 Calix wrote:On September 11 2016 07:57 Damdred wrote:
Nu why is it again that sky can town hunt and you say he's scum hunting, but when I'm largely town hunting and trying to build what I think is the right group I am not?
And no I disagree with your conclusions over all on sky him voting tt especially when there was a movement away from tt (to a poont) is just scummy.
In fact he complains about people ignoring the other lurkers and never really brings much of anything worth talking about up just says the filter he checked wasn't that bad.
Then he bites someone who he really shouldn't given his filter. So no it's scum This isn't part of the reason I am town-reading Skynx, but I don't like Damdred's push on Skynx either. A. His first line (where he asks why Skynx town-clearing is townie but him doing that is scummy) would be fine taken by itself because he's pointing out a possible inconsistency. However, it fits in with his overall pattern of only commenting on things that relate to him. It doesn't look like he actually cares about pushing a scum-read (Skynx) because his focus is on NU treating him differently to Skynx. It is another example of Damdred only focusing on himself.B. His points make no sense for him to use to scum-read Skynx when he himself admits that he was doing the same thing. According to his logic, that makes him scummy. If a townie was aware that they were doing questionable things, they would have rationalisations for why said things are helpful to the town. Therefore, that townie would be more inclined to town-read players who are acting similarly to them, because they can relate to that behaviour and have an explanation fresh in their minds for why said player is acting like that. So let's say that town!Damdred didn't push on anyone at EOD because he was busy. He sees Skynx not pushing on anyone. He would be more likely to assume that Skynx wasn't pushing anyone because of time constraints too. (bad example but I'm not saying this is what happened. I'm just trying to explain my thought process) So given this, why wouldn't Damdred assume that Skynx also has similar reasoning for acting like he was instead of jumping to the explanation that makes Skynx scum? C. This is another example of Damdred focusing on the easy targets in the thread: - His town-reads match up with popular opinion. - Sheep-voted on the shitty TT train, complete with horrible WIFOM conspiracy theories about scum bussing which cannot be backed up by anything in the thread. (focus on abstract theories > logical arguments) - He never discussed other lynch targets in any of his EOD posts. Why? Because the shitty TT train was already locked in at that point so why would he need to? Even Skynx, Palmar, etc were discussing other candidates. Regardless of how shitty said discussion was, it's better than just settling for a TT vote with NO comment. - After TT flipped, he threw shade on Grack and myself because "their defense of TT was weird" (which isn't the same as scum-motivated, just black sheep) and now focuses on Skynx after NU drew attention to this potential inconsistency. I have yet to see Damdred actually push a 'scum-read' BEFORE someone else did. Classic scum tactic of evading responsibility. - Let's not forget the "don't blame the TT voters, blame the people off the train" post. This was said AFTER HF and Superbia had made it clear that they were going to attack people off the TT train regardless of how TT flipped. Thus, this is a safe position for Damdred to take because he knows he'll have support in the thread already.- I am aware that he suddenly flipped and defended me against Super because he was 'playing devil's advocate'. I have no idea what the fuck he was doing there but it didn't give me good vibes. If he did that after getting pushback against a Calix train then I'm even more inclined to think he's scum because it felt like an awkward and insincere backtrack. Fuck's sake N00b tl;dr - Self-centred and almost-exclusively talks about himself and responds to posts that mention him. - Always hides behind other players' ideas. (e.g., he waited for NU to talk about Skynx before saying Skynx was scummy; waited for HF/ Superbia to say "if TT is town, lynch Calix" before agreeing) - He takes safe/ popular positions in the thread, says nothing controversial whatsoever. - Had no interest in doing anything useful at EOD except for responding when called out, was content with the TT train and did not even bother discussing other options.
1) One is hypocritical as you yourself mainly protected yourself and have overall reacted poorly pressure, also it is natural to foremost take on accusations against yourself as only you (or a cop) knows your alignment. This is nai to the extreme doesn't make anyone scum.
2) When night began I attacked the notion that calix was scum with super via across several posts as I thought that you had nothing to gain from doing what you did. Nu asked for opinions and mine directly countered thread sentiment. So this is a blatant lie and the examples are just wrong.
3) See two obviously can't be true, and I was the starter of some early opinions.
4) I wanted tt lynched not other people, I got the person who I wanted lynched. Not scum indicative and this harkens back,to 1. Nai
As for wishy washy, yep I am sometimes I don't have perfect information so,I second guess myself whenever I can.
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Shape doesn't know what to make of your inconsistencies, sees no reason that you should do what you did as scum.
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On September 11 2016 22:48 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 22:42 Damdred wrote:On September 11 2016 22:15 Calix wrote:On September 11 2016 19:04 Calix wrote:On September 11 2016 07:57 Damdred wrote:
Nu why is it again that sky can town hunt and you say he's scum hunting, but when I'm largely town hunting and trying to build what I think is the right group I am not?
And no I disagree with your conclusions over all on sky him voting tt especially when there was a movement away from tt (to a poont) is just scummy.
In fact he complains about people ignoring the other lurkers and never really brings much of anything worth talking about up just says the filter he checked wasn't that bad.
Then he bites someone who he really shouldn't given his filter. So no it's scum This isn't part of the reason I am town-reading Skynx, but I don't like Damdred's push on Skynx either. A. His first line (where he asks why Skynx town-clearing is townie but him doing that is scummy) would be fine taken by itself because he's pointing out a possible inconsistency. However, it fits in with his overall pattern of only commenting on things that relate to him. It doesn't look like he actually cares about pushing a scum-read (Skynx) because his focus is on NU treating him differently to Skynx. It is another example of Damdred only focusing on himself.B. His points make no sense for him to use to scum-read Skynx when he himself admits that he was doing the same thing. According to his logic, that makes him scummy. If a townie was aware that they were doing questionable things, they would have rationalisations for why said things are helpful to the town. Therefore, that townie would be more inclined to town-read players who are acting similarly to them, because they can relate to that behaviour and have an explanation fresh in their minds for why said player is acting like that. So let's say that town!Damdred didn't push on anyone at EOD because he was busy. He sees Skynx not pushing on anyone. He would be more likely to assume that Skynx wasn't pushing anyone because of time constraints too. (bad example but I'm not saying this is what happened. I'm just trying to explain my thought process) So given this, why wouldn't Damdred assume that Skynx also has similar reasoning for acting like he was instead of jumping to the explanation that makes Skynx scum? C. This is another example of Damdred focusing on the easy targets in the thread: - His town-reads match up with popular opinion. - Sheep-voted on the shitty TT train, complete with horrible WIFOM conspiracy theories about scum bussing which cannot be backed up by anything in the thread. (focus on abstract theories > logical arguments) - He never discussed other lynch targets in any of his EOD posts. Why? Because the shitty TT train was already locked in at that point so why would he need to? Even Skynx, Palmar, etc were discussing other candidates. Regardless of how shitty said discussion was, it's better than just settling for a TT vote with NO comment. - After TT flipped, he threw shade on Grack and myself because "their defense of TT was weird" (which isn't the same as scum-motivated, just black sheep) and now focuses on Skynx after NU drew attention to this potential inconsistency. I have yet to see Damdred actually push a 'scum-read' BEFORE someone else did. Classic scum tactic of evading responsibility. - Let's not forget the "don't blame the TT voters, blame the people off the train" post. This was said AFTER HF and Superbia had made it clear that they were going to attack people off the TT train regardless of how TT flipped. Thus, this is a safe position for Damdred to take because he knows he'll have support in the thread already.- I am aware that he suddenly flipped and defended me against Super because he was 'playing devil's advocate'. I have no idea what the fuck he was doing there but it didn't give me good vibes. If he did that after getting pushback against a Calix train then I'm even more inclined to think he's scum because it felt like an awkward and insincere backtrack. Fuck's sake N00b tl;dr - Self-centred and almost-exclusively talks about himself and responds to posts that mention him. - Always hides behind other players' ideas. (e.g., he waited for NU to talk about Skynx before saying Skynx was scummy; waited for HF/ Superbia to say "if TT is town, lynch Calix" before agreeing) - He takes safe/ popular positions in the thread, says nothing controversial whatsoever. - Had no interest in doing anything useful at EOD except for responding when called out, was content with the TT train and did not even bother discussing other options. 1) One is hypocritical as you yourself mainly protected yourself and have overall reacted poorly pressure, also it is natural to foremost take on accusations against yourself as only you (or a cop) knows your alignment. This is nai to the extreme doesn't make anyone scum. 2) When night began I attacked the notion that calix was scum with super via across several posts as I thought that you had nothing to gain from doing what you did. Nu asked for opinions and mine directly countered thread sentiment. So this is a blatant lie and the examples are just wrong. 3) See two obviously can't be true, and I was the starter of some early opinions. 4) I wanted tt lynched not other people, I got the person who I wanted lynched. Not scum indicative and this harkens back,to 1. Nai As for wishy washy, yep I am sometimes I don't have perfect information so,I second guess myself whenever I can. 1. Er no, I have done considerably more than 'just defend myself'. I am not arguing that talking about/ defending yourself is scummy. I am arguing that ONLY talking about yourself is scummy. Why would any town care to talk about themselves as much as you have when they should be focused on figuring out everyone else's alignment? 2. Explain why you felt the need to say "Calix defending TT is weird" then if you didn't think it was scummy. You were low-key agreeing with the idea that I was sketchy for defending TT's train. If you didn't think that made me suspicious, why did you do it again? 3. [citation fucking needed] But let's assume you didn't make that shit up. Fire-starting is not a town tell. If anything, that's what scum do. They get other people to talk about and push their own ideas. 4. That doesn't mean you just stop talking about the other trains, wtf. You're telling me that you had no opinions you wanted to share about the EOD events? Not buying it. You got complacent with the ML and stopped posting anything constructive.
1) I am figuring out people's alignments, you just do not like how I am doing it. I have several posts where I am standing at points. And being self centered when .people are talking about lynching you isn't scum indicative.
2. Cause I thought you and grac might be scum. Then I almost instantly swap on grac in my next post. You forgot that one. I thought of town reasons it could be done.
3. You are basically saying here you didn't read my filter before you made your case. And once again you are forcing everything into a narrative on a conclusion you have already made. Which btw if you took the same tact you are handling,me,the same way nu scum read me and now you are using,it to throw shade under the cover. I don't think,that's the case but it's humorous.
4) I can do what hi want around lynch, I was relatively sure on tt. Can only lynch one person at a time anyway. This isn't alignment indicative in that case.
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On September 11 2016 23:01 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 22:27 Damdred wrote:
Nothing that's posted makes me scum and honestly calix is creating a narrative that just fits what they want to see.
Sk might be scum I'm not sure the inconsitincies are more scum leaning but not,sure.
Anyway I'll probably be around some,then be here later on Monday.
Also I expected more from you hf. Why? I don't have time to be good at this game anymore. Apart from nailing tw to a wall.
We both believed in the same lynch, I'm not able to be as active as either of us want. You should,know I'm town by now honestly
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On September 11 2016 22:58 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 22:54 Damdred wrote:
Shape doesn't know what to make of your inconsistencies, sees no reason that you should do what you did as scum. You dropped your opinion while you were busy rehashing Shape's views, my dude.
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What does this even,mean. Sky misinterpreted what shape was saying I corrected him idk
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I say what I want when I want to, idk why that's so hard to understand.
And I don't get lynched d1, I never have nor will ever. So I'm glad you recognize my station as almighty just remember your place peon next time ty.
And as that which you aspire to be. Here is a sincere observation (no sarcasm), You are a good player I think, a bit rough around the edges (same can be said of nu). But you have the tendency to tunnel over things that don't make people scum and you are reading everything through a predetermined position rather than trying,to see all sides.
It really doesn't matter atm just an observation because generally you are enjoyable to read.
Ad as foe the other things I do understand that hi come off confusing at times with how I post, but I just post whatever jumps in,my,mind when I want to.
Any case keep on keeping on.
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And as for palmar well he is probably top 5 player if you can get him to do things. He might fall out of top 10 soon rip
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On September 11 2016 23:36 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 23:29 Damdred wrote:
And as for palmar well he is probably top 5 player if you can get him to do things. He might fall out of top 10 soon rip that hurts, but you'll be forgiven if you flip scum
Never going to,forgive me,then.
@Calix you are just so tunneled can't see anything coming from town oh well.
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On September 12 2016 00:02 NeverUnlucky wrote:
He is not helping the town, right, but NAI.
I actually liked his responses to your posts lately and am revising my read on him. If he becomes a town-read then I'm completely barking up the wrong trees as it means I have no other scum-reads.
Vivax's posts in the second half of D1 really dropped in quality. I suspect him of laying back because he was town-read. He is no longer a strong read for me.
I knew you would,come around slowly.
To your vivax point, it's possible but I'd like to,give him at least to d3. D2 we already have a few decent candidates I think. (Sky should be discussed, tw is one of,the top candidates)
Problem lies I have a lot of town reads and I get the feeling that one is wrong at least.
Like I think shape is townish now, so it leaves me in a place where it could be vivax/tumble/sky but that team doesn't feel right to me.
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On September 12 2016 00:06 Vivax wrote:
All this speculation about who behaved how towards TT, who defended him, whether scum would defend him or just hop onto the wagon is fruitless. Scum can do whatever they please in the situation we had where they could see it coming from a mile away that TT was being mislynched (or they even actively fueled the wagon) , just pay attention to who plays like scum regardless of TT's flip.
So many games are filled with this shitty types of wifomy discussion related to singular events that it has just become boring. On top of it, it allows people to post a shitton of filler that doesn't tell us anything. Stick to traditional scumhunting thanks.
People who played with me in guardians of the galaxy should know about this. Can't wait until last wills get posted and the spirit votes get casted, half the thread will be wasting pages on arguing whether it's fake or not and what it means for their reads.
Where is the real vivax
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Like I could be wrong on fuba he always has lots of large posts but it doesn't lead many places. But his thoughts mirrored mine.
Grack timings are a bit strange on his posts and the hf vs Grack fight feels weird.
Like those are two people I'm most weary of atm outside two of the three. (Vivax I still want to,give more time)
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On September 12 2016 00:21 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2016 00:11 Damdred wrote:On September 12 2016 00:02 NeverUnlucky wrote:
He is not helping the town, right, but NAI.
I actually liked his responses to your posts lately and am revising my read on him. If he becomes a town-read then I'm completely barking up the wrong trees as it means I have no other scum-reads.
Vivax's posts in the second half of D1 really dropped in quality. I suspect him of laying back because he was town-read. He is no longer a strong read for me. I knew you would,come around slowly. Wait, are you claiming that you are pocketing me? Rhetorical question, obviously. How did you know that I was going to change my read? Show nested quote +To your vivax point, it's possible but I'd like to,give him at least to d3. D2 we already have a few decent candidates I think. (Sky should be discussed, tw is one of,the top candidates) There's no wrong in havim than three canditates. This web-site should REALLY stop using the "Yeah, I too think he may be scum. Let's give him another day though." It's brutally bad in all aspects. Why are you already dismissing a Vivax possible lynch for D2 before D2 even started? Show nested quote +Problem lies I have a lot of town reads and I get the feeling that one is wrong at least. Same. Show nested quote +Like I think shape is townish now, so it leaves me in a place where it could be vivax/tumble/sky but that team doesn't feel right to me. You scum-read Vivax but don't want to have him as a potential lynch D2? Weird AF, and again being friendy-friend with the best players.
The thing with vivax is that he doesn't have any motivation/staying power as scum. By d3 he basically tells you his alignment generally by the amount of time and tinfoil,he gives.
Its heavily meta based and just a general stance that people take on bong vivax mostly.
His d1 started towny, and has slowly dropped,though his last two posts haven't,been,horrid.
And as foe why I thought you would,come around. Well most of,the time when I start talking and,interacting opinions change for,the most part.
But,my pocket is big and comfortable
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Also the scumslip that he caught tw on I don't know if scum vivax would be paying enough attention at that point to call him on it so quick.
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