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On September 11 2016 22:15 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 19:04 Calix wrote:On September 11 2016 07:57 Damdred wrote:
Nu why is it again that sky can town hunt and you say he's scum hunting, but when I'm largely town hunting and trying to build what I think is the right group I am not?
And no I disagree with your conclusions over all on sky him voting tt especially when there was a movement away from tt (to a poont) is just scummy.
In fact he complains about people ignoring the other lurkers and never really brings much of anything worth talking about up just says the filter he checked wasn't that bad.
Then he bites someone who he really shouldn't given his filter. So no it's scum This isn't part of the reason I am town-reading Skynx, but I don't like Damdred's push on Skynx either. A. His first line (where he asks why Skynx town-clearing is townie but him doing that is scummy) would be fine taken by itself because he's pointing out a possible inconsistency. However, it fits in with his overall pattern of only commenting on things that relate to him. It doesn't look like he actually cares about pushing a scum-read (Skynx) because his focus is on NU treating him differently to Skynx. It is another example of Damdred only focusing on himself.B. His points make no sense for him to use to scum-read Skynx when he himself admits that he was doing the same thing. According to his logic, that makes him scummy. If a townie was aware that they were doing questionable things, they would have rationalisations for why said things are helpful to the town. Therefore, that townie would be more inclined to town-read players who are acting similarly to them, because they can relate to that behaviour and have an explanation fresh in their minds for why said player is acting like that. So let's say that town!Damdred didn't push on anyone at EOD because he was busy. He sees Skynx not pushing on anyone. He would be more likely to assume that Skynx wasn't pushing anyone because of time constraints too. (bad example but I'm not saying this is what happened. I'm just trying to explain my thought process) So given this, why wouldn't Damdred assume that Skynx also has similar reasoning for acting like he was instead of jumping to the explanation that makes Skynx scum? C. This is another example of Damdred focusing on the easy targets in the thread: - His town-reads match up with popular opinion. - Sheep-voted on the shitty TT train, complete with horrible WIFOM conspiracy theories about scum bussing which cannot be backed up by anything in the thread. (focus on abstract theories > logical arguments) - He never discussed other lynch targets in any of his EOD posts. Why? Because the shitty TT train was already locked in at that point so why would he need to? Even Skynx, Palmar, etc were discussing other candidates. Regardless of how shitty said discussion was, it's better than just settling for a TT vote with NO comment. - After TT flipped, he threw shade on Grack and myself because "their defense of TT was weird" (which isn't the same as scum-motivated, just black sheep) and now focuses on Skynx after NU drew attention to this potential inconsistency. I have yet to see Damdred actually push a 'scum-read' BEFORE someone else did. Classic scum tactic of evading responsibility. - Let's not forget the "don't blame the TT voters, blame the people off the train" post. This was said AFTER HF and Superbia had made it clear that they were going to attack people off the TT train regardless of how TT flipped. Thus, this is a safe position for Damdred to take because he knows he'll have support in the thread already.- I am aware that he suddenly flipped and defended me against Super because he was 'playing devil's advocate'. I have no idea what the fuck he was doing there but it didn't give me good vibes. If he did that after getting pushback against a Calix train then I'm even more inclined to think he's scum because it felt like an awkward and insincere backtrack. Fuck's sake N00b tl;dr - Self-centred and almost-exclusively talks about himself and responds to posts that mention him. - Always hides behind other players' ideas. (e.g., he waited for NU to talk about Skynx before saying Skynx was scummy; waited for HF/ Superbia to say "if TT is town, lynch Calix" before agreeing) - He takes safe/ popular positions in the thread, says nothing controversial whatsoever. - Had no interest in doing anything useful at EOD except for responding when called out, was content with the TT train and did not even bother discussing other options.
So basically my opinions, except the arguments are fleshed out. Ok, ok.On September 11 2016 22:16 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 08:10 Damdred wrote:On September 11 2016 08:03 NeverUnlucky wrote:On September 11 2016 07:57 Damdred wrote:
Nu why is it again that sky can town hunt and you say he's scum hunting, but when I'm largely town hunting and trying to build what I think is the right group I am not?
And no I disagree with your conclusions over all on sky him voting tt especially when there was a movement away from tt (to a poont) is just scummy.
In fact he complains about people ignoring the other lurkers and never really brings much of anything worth talking about up just says the filter he checked wasn't that bad.
Then he bites someone who he really shouldn't given his filter. So no it's scum The difference is that you are not confrontational at all in your posts. As if you didn't want to make enemies. That just fits with you town-hunting rather than scum-hunting. Why is it scummy then? You make a point. However, you never really brought anything worth talking about either. Does that make you scum as well? How is this making him scummy? Confrontational is a nai trait scum can be nice or mean and,the same as town. This is a non point I have talked about whatever I wanted to,when,I was in,thread, the fights. Reads, my read on tt most,of,these things were ignored by you however. Idk if voting is mandatory where you are, but jumping on at the end,has the least amount,of responsibilities and,if he brought,hf near tie and hf,flipped even more heat would be on him. His decision making,process does not portray town trying to push or figure out anything. Like what he said about ignoring super shape etc but never pushes then himself and votes the person he was upset we were pushing.
That's not town. Let's say I got a train on to Super and some people followed me we kill him instead of someone who hasn't posted for 36 hours. I would be the kill almost 100% of the time D2. You are intentionally wrong sir.
That's all sorts of wrong, lol. Driving a lynch on Superbia who you considered a PL wouldn't have made you a target for D2 even if he was to flip scum. Scum would target the confirmed town/the better players over someone who got a lucky coin flip in terms of PL.
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Nothing that's posted makes me scum and honestly calix is creating a narrative that just fits what they want to see.
Sk might be scum I'm not sure the inconsitincies are more scum leaning but not,sure.
Anyway I'll probably be around some,then be here later on Monday.
Also I expected more from you hf.
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On September 11 2016 22:16 Calix wrote:Yes. I think the best plan right now is for you to push the TW train and NU and I can push Damdred. I see no flaws with this.
You see no flaws with this, eh? What even makes you say that TW/Damdread are a scum team? What happened to the "pre-flip associations zzz" Calix?
I can agree with pushing Damdred. Right now I have a hangover, so you should push him for the time being, and I will take over when I don't feel dizzy.
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On September 11 2016 08:51 Shapelog wrote:Just as I closed all the tabs, and was going to go back to catch up land. So I can go lie down, and not have to catch up tomorrow, since I know today I can tolerate playing. *sigh* FML Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 08:27 Damdred wrote:
Nu is just a joker now, makes me laugh.
In any case @Shape I think what hi was looking for on a reread was him actually bringing things up about the others in the pool.
Lets be honest sky is good at making cases and I don't see it here, he's good with reasoning and while I can see consolidation being the answer it just doesn't make a lot of sense with how his stance was when he entered the thread.
And he was pre try side lines during,the lynch and most of the day (slight hypocritical at parts of,me,to say).
Do you disagree? And tumble is better than what I have read bout of him so far. And he was town the last game, where he acted exactly like he is now. I reread a further back. and I see what you mean by the [u] part. From page 2 - 4 I found Several remarks of him stating Me/Palmar/Tumble or who ever was missing or not posting or what ever. But I have to agree that he really didn't do much about them, other then just throw out posts about it. Shade posts? but honestly why bother? In actives would get lynch anyways for PLs. And as I read further back. I noticed something weird. Show nested quote +On September 10 2016 00:38 Skynx wrote:On September 09 2016 09:51 Tictock wrote:On September 09 2016 07:00 NeverUnlucky wrote:On September 09 2016 06:46 Vivax wrote:On September 09 2016 06:37 Calix wrote:
It doesn't look like you guys do RVS and I don't relate to the few posts being made so far, so I'l just chip in with some thoughts on the setup. Not seeing anything particularly eye-popping aside from the following:
- Names aren't allowed in Last Wills but if you wanted to reference a player (e.g., say you're a Sheriff-Vig who wanted to say "I checked X/ this player is innocent/ guilty") then you could quote some post numbers by said player, quote something they said, etc. I don't think LWs will be that useful for the protectives unless nobody died on a certain night because telling the scum who was protected last night in the event of a kill just needlessly gives the scum information on what the healing roles are thinking. If anyone knows what the Doctor roles would even need to tell the town (aside from telling us who they scum-read or something) then I'm all ears.
- There's always the chance that the scum can interfere with the message being given. Although they can only rewrite LWs twice, we can't rely on the LWs much but I think it's good to establish a way for the dead townies to communicate with the rest of the thread because I'm not seeing a way that the scum manipulation of the LWs/ votes can be prevented.
- We might want to be careful with policy lynching apathetic/ inactive players or being sloppy with CFDs in general. I've been told that TL is more open to policy lynches compared to where I come from, but since lynched players become Sheriff-Vigs, I think it would be suboptimal play to give lazy players a KPN in the early stages. This point might be moot, however, as I don't know how anyone here plays or if anyone would qualify as policy-lynch material. (save for NU who I wouldn't consider a policy lynch)
Anyway, hi. It's pretty late for me so if I randomly drop off, don't be surprised. Bolded seems like fluff tbh cause you don't seem to have any own ideas to contribute for this part. "we have to find out what to do" . Who would've thought. Your last point is also pretty uninformative. It's like you're suggesting not to lynch. Doesn't look as bad as your second though. But still. You get a bit of benefit of the doubt for this being your first game here, but if somebody is meh for me right now it's you. Also, she infered that town had PRs before they were lynched which shows she didn't correctly read the setup. It's NAI, but To add to your point about her fluff: she used words like "we" -- Scum tend to use those words more than town to fit in the group. Scum!Calix uses "we" a lot. She ends her post with an excuse to why she wouldn't post in the upcoming hours. It's something scum tends to do more, but it still is NAI. Scum-reading Calix. @Vivax, don't give me or her the benefit of the doubt because we're "new", we aren't. We're both familiar to mafia. Giving either of us (especially her) a chance, it could be all we need to fly under your radar. I like this guy, this is a solid post.
Contrast to Skynx here On September 09 2016 07:01 Skynx wrote:
Nothing good on tv/twitch and you guys are no fun, I'm offski to bed. First to post, been around, fucks off without saying anything and right about when things start happening. Of all NU's actions you picked this one to townread him? Whats special about it he's arguing about how using 'we' is NAI... I don't even know what to say about the point about me, sorry for not predicting when stuff is gona happen? When I left nothing was happening so I left. Not a fan of this post. Show nested quote +On September 10 2016 00:45 Skynx wrote:
HF is town for tunnel on TT easiest read so far. Into: Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 03:48 Skynx wrote:
Alright here is the deal people: TT is just soo hit and miss. He barely posted anything therefore no content to analyse properly. HF is tunnelled for whatever meta reason he has and blindly sheeping him is nuts.
TT is basically a plynch at this point but there are 2-3 others with similar no content no opinion just shitposting filters.
Can we please reconsider our lynch? Both of which, he contradicted. He previously analysed one of TT's posts, and said HF+ things. The problem is....is that i have no clue what the mafia motivation or agenda is for trying to get me/tumble/Palmar lynched over TT, other then the chance me/Tumble/Palmar steps up. And that is it. He is in a spot to push the TT lynch, yet doesn't, and goes back on the earlier points. Now if TT was scum, I would have a reasoning. Skynx was trying to protect scum!buddy TT. But TT was town. There is so little he would achieve by doing it. And it is a High risk, lowish reward to get one of me/Tt/Palmar/U? lynched, and then get lynched for not having anything else. All he would achieve is attention.... idk, the part i looked at made sense, but now that i found the quotes, I am confused on why the switch happen. TLDR: it is off now that I look at it, but I cannot figure-out if it is necessarily scummy, since the mindset doesn't make sense.
And you sir are bad for trying even harder for reasons to sr me. Nitpicking my easy tr on HF is sweet of you, however you skipped couple of remarks afterwards:
On September 10 2016 01:01 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2016 00:46 NeverUnlucky wrote:On September 10 2016 00:45 Skynx wrote:
HF is town for tunnel on TT easiest read so far. Tunneling is NAI. Show nested quote +On September 10 2016 00:53 Holyflare wrote:On September 10 2016 00:45 Skynx wrote:
HF is town for tunnel on TT easiest read so far. What the fuck lol I mean first there is meta, from the games at least I've seen him play maf HF is very swingy and undecisive unless he's bussing. Second, when I was going thru the thread I didn't like TT either 1st because of the entry 2nd for the post i quoted some way back. When you see someone one the same page as you they are usually town cuz scum somehow has to scumread people on wrong grounds. Thats about it really, bare in mind I'm only in p12 so far.
On September 10 2016 01:06 Skynx wrote:
lol HF trolling the rest of the page ok maybe i can suspend my tr.
And again same jazz, I made remarks about other plynches but never actually did anything about it bla bla bla.
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On September 11 2016 07:57 Damdred wrote:
Nu why is it again that sky can town hunt and you say he's scum hunting, but when I'm largely town hunting and trying to build what I think is the right group I am not?
And no I disagree with your conclusions over all on sky him voting tt especially when there was a movement away from tt (to a poont) is just scummy.
In fact he complains about people ignoring the other lurkers and never really brings much of anything worth talking about up just says the filter he checked wasn't that bad.
Then he bites someone who he really shouldn't given his filter. So no it's scum
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On September 11 2016 08:10 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 08:03 NeverUnlucky wrote:On September 11 2016 07:57 Damdred wrote:
Nu why is it again that sky can town hunt and you say he's scum hunting, but when I'm largely town hunting and trying to build what I think is the right group I am not?
And no I disagree with your conclusions over all on sky him voting tt especially when there was a movement away from tt (to a poont) is just scummy.
In fact he complains about people ignoring the other lurkers and never really brings much of anything worth talking about up just says the filter he checked wasn't that bad.
Then he bites someone who he really shouldn't given his filter. So no it's scum The difference is that you are not confrontational at all in your posts. As if you didn't want to make enemies. That just fits with you town-hunting rather than scum-hunting. Why is it scummy then? You make a point. However, you never really brought anything worth talking about either. Does that make you scum as well? How is this making him scummy? Confrontational is a nai trait scum can be nice or mean and,the same as town. This is a non point I have talked about whatever I wanted to,when,I was in,thread, the fights. Reads, my read on tt most,of,these things were ignored by you however. Idk if voting is mandatory where you are, but jumping on at the end,has the least amount,of responsibilities and,if he brought,hf near tie and hf,flipped even more heat would be on him. His decision making,process does not portray town trying to push or figure out anything. Like what he said about ignoring super shape etc but never pushes then himself and votes the person he was upset we were pushing. That's not town.
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On September 11 2016 22:27 Damdred wrote:
Nothing that's posted makes me scum and honestly calix is creating a narrative that just fits what they want to see.
Sk might be scum I'm not sure the inconsitincies are more scum leaning but not,sure.
Anyway I'll probably be around some,then be here later on Monday.
Also I expected more from you hf.
Kill with fire guys.
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On September 11 2016 22:24 Skynx wrote:
Damdred is 100% scum.
His meta read stating I normally put good cases and reasonings behind them is true. However EoD I discussed with TW, Calix and Vivax (I think?) how there was no obv scum and plynch was good here. Calix was trying to push Damdred for wrong reasons, I didn't agree to it. There was no case for me to make, I asked multiple times if anyone thinks someone was objectively scummy and make a case on it, no one came up. No one was scummy D1, TT was not the worst lynch overall.
Lynching any other plynch yesterday (with slight exception of Palms) would be worse.
"Damdred is 100% scum"
"He's right, I make good cases"
Make a case on him if you're that good and he's 100% scum.
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On September 11 2016 22:28 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 22:16 Calix wrote:On September 11 2016 22:15 Holyflare wrote:
Could be damd/tw Yes. I think the best plan right now is for you to push the TW train and NU and I can push Damdred. I see no flaws with this. You see no flaws with this, eh? What even makes you say that TW/Damdread are a scum team? What happened to the "pre-flip associations zzz" Calix? I can agree with pushing Damdred. Right now I have a hangover, so you should push him for the time being, and I will take over when I don't feel dizzy.
Try reading when you are not hungover, ya lightweight, and get back to me on that.
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On September 11 2016 22:31 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 07:57 Damdred wrote:
Nu why is it again that sky can town hunt and you say he's scum hunting, but when I'm largely town hunting and trying to build what I think is the right group I am not?
And no I disagree with your conclusions over all on sky him voting tt especially when there was a movement away from tt (to a poont) is just scummy.
In fact he complains about people ignoring the other lurkers and never really brings much of anything worth talking about up just says the filter he checked wasn't that bad.
Then he bites someone who he really shouldn't given his filter. So no it's scum Into Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 08:10 Damdred wrote:On September 11 2016 08:03 NeverUnlucky wrote:On September 11 2016 07:57 Damdred wrote:
Nu why is it again that sky can town hunt and you say he's scum hunting, but when I'm largely town hunting and trying to build what I think is the right group I am not?
And no I disagree with your conclusions over all on sky him voting tt especially when there was a movement away from tt (to a poont) is just scummy.
In fact he complains about people ignoring the other lurkers and never really brings much of anything worth talking about up just says the filter he checked wasn't that bad.
Then he bites someone who he really shouldn't given his filter. So no it's scum The difference is that you are not confrontational at all in your posts. As if you didn't want to make enemies. That just fits with you town-hunting rather than scum-hunting. Why is it scummy then? You make a point. However, you never really brought anything worth talking about either. Does that make you scum as well? How is this making him scummy? Confrontational is a nai trait scum can be nice or mean and,the same as town. This is a non point I have talked about whatever I wanted to,when,I was in,thread, the fights. Reads, my read on tt most,of,these things were ignored by you however. Idk if voting is mandatory where you are, but jumping on at the end,has the least amount,of responsibilities and,if he brought,hf near tie and hf,flipped even more heat would be on him. His decision making,process does not portray town trying to push or figure out anything. Like what he said about ignoring super shape etc but never pushes then himself and votes the person he was upset we were pushing. That's not town. Into Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 22:27 Damdred wrote:
Nothing that's posted makes me scum and honestly calix is creating a narrative that just fits what they want to see.
Sk might be scum I'm not sure the inconsitincies are more scum leaning but not,sure.
Anyway I'll probably be around some,then be here later on Monday.
Also I expected more from you hf. Kill with fire guys.
Good point. He flip-flopped his read on you thrice in that short amount of time. Does that make him scum though? I mean, I have 180'd some of my reads this game, and I am town. I could also see him evolving his read though my bias tells me he slipped.
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On September 11 2016 22:27 Damdred wrote:
Nothing that's posted makes me scum and honestly calix is creating a narrative that just fits what they want to see.
Sk might be scum I'm not sure the inconsitincies are more scum leaning but not,sure.
Anyway I'll probably be around some,then be here later on Monday.
Also I expected more from you hf.
"Nothing here makes me 100% scum and I haven't scum-slipped yet so I will not counter anything she said."
I agree with Skynx, that read on him is wishy-washy as fuck. "not sure not sure"
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On September 11 2016 22:31 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 22:28 NeverUnlucky wrote:On September 11 2016 22:16 Calix wrote:On September 11 2016 22:15 Holyflare wrote:
Could be damd/tw Yes. I think the best plan right now is for you to push the TW train and NU and I can push Damdred. I see no flaws with this. You see no flaws with this, eh? What even makes you say that TW/Damdread are a scum team? What happened to the "pre-flip associations zzz" Calix? I can agree with pushing Damdred. Right now I have a hangover, so you should push him for the time being, and I will take over when I don't feel dizzy. Try reading when you are not hungover, ya lightweight, and get back to me on that.
Reading what? If there's something you want me to read either tl;dr it or quote-and-bold-it. I did not read the bigger posts you made earlier today, featherweight.
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On September 11 2016 22:31 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 07:57 Damdred wrote:
Nu why is it again that sky can town hunt and you say he's scum hunting, but when I'm largely town hunting and trying to build what I think is the right group I am not?
And no I disagree with your conclusions over all on sky him voting tt especially when there was a movement away from tt (to a poont) is just scummy.
In fact he complains about people ignoring the other lurkers and never really brings much of anything worth talking about up just says the filter he checked wasn't that bad.
Then he bites someone who he really shouldn't given his filter. So no it's scum Into Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 08:10 Damdred wrote:On September 11 2016 08:03 NeverUnlucky wrote:On September 11 2016 07:57 Damdred wrote:
Nu why is it again that sky can town hunt and you say he's scum hunting, but when I'm largely town hunting and trying to build what I think is the right group I am not?
And no I disagree with your conclusions over all on sky him voting tt especially when there was a movement away from tt (to a poont) is just scummy.
In fact he complains about people ignoring the other lurkers and never really brings much of anything worth talking about up just says the filter he checked wasn't that bad.
Then he bites someone who he really shouldn't given his filter. So no it's scum The difference is that you are not confrontational at all in your posts. As if you didn't want to make enemies. That just fits with you town-hunting rather than scum-hunting. Why is it scummy then? You make a point. However, you never really brought anything worth talking about either. Does that make you scum as well? How is this making him scummy? Confrontational is a nai trait scum can be nice or mean and,the same as town. This is a non point I have talked about whatever I wanted to,when,I was in,thread, the fights. Reads, my read on tt most,of,these things were ignored by you however. Idk if voting is mandatory where you are, but jumping on at the end,has the least amount,of responsibilities and,if he brought,hf near tie and hf,flipped even more heat would be on him. His decision making,process does not portray town trying to push or figure out anything. Like what he said about ignoring super shape etc but never pushes then himself and votes the person he was upset we were pushing. That's not town. Into Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 22:27 Damdred wrote:
Nothing that's posted makes me scum and honestly calix is creating a narrative that just fits what they want to see.
Sk might be scum I'm not sure the inconsitincies are more scum leaning but not,sure.
Anyway I'll probably be around some,then be here later on Monday.
Also I expected more from you hf. Kill with fire guys.
Why is being unsure at points scum indicative again?
You can give some generalized reason about scum finding it hard to make scum reads. But the problems I pointed out are real.
My town reads nu and shape think I am off base on my reasoning which I need to,check,into more.
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On September 11 2016 22:31 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 22:24 Skynx wrote:
Damdred is 100% scum.
His meta read stating I normally put good cases and reasonings behind them is true. However EoD I discussed with TW, Calix and Vivax (I think?) how there was no obv scum and plynch was good here. Calix was trying to push Damdred for wrong reasons, I didn't agree to it. There was no case for me to make, I asked multiple times if anyone thinks someone was objectively scummy and make a case on it, no one came up. No one was scummy D1, TT was not the worst lynch overall.
Lynching any other plynch yesterday (with slight exception of Palms) would be worse. "Damdred is 100% scum" "He's right, I make good cases" Make a case on him if you're that good and he's 100% scum.
He's tryharding to scumread me for nothing other than me not switching to low hanging fruits I (and mind you me only no one else even brought them up) suggested would be better plynches when the actualy lynch did not post or defend for 36 hours.
This was the only reason then he thought 'fuck me thats weak' and brought up 'oh guys Skynx is very good town he makes decent cases with sick reasonings behind them' when I already pointed out there was no obv scum to make case on.
On September 11 2016 05:16 Skynx wrote:
Calix, if there is no obv scum plynches are ok D1. HF is trying to paint TT as scum but just ignore that its a plynch.
Now he's backing away cuz Shape kinda agreed but then backed away and you + Calix are not backing him up either.
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It's scum-indicative because you're back-tracking on your only stated 'scum-read' so far.
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On September 11 2016 22:15 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 19:04 Calix wrote:On September 11 2016 07:57 Damdred wrote:
Nu why is it again that sky can town hunt and you say he's scum hunting, but when I'm largely town hunting and trying to build what I think is the right group I am not?
And no I disagree with your conclusions over all on sky him voting tt especially when there was a movement away from tt (to a poont) is just scummy.
In fact he complains about people ignoring the other lurkers and never really brings much of anything worth talking about up just says the filter he checked wasn't that bad.
Then he bites someone who he really shouldn't given his filter. So no it's scum This isn't part of the reason I am town-reading Skynx, but I don't like Damdred's push on Skynx either. A. His first line (where he asks why Skynx town-clearing is townie but him doing that is scummy) would be fine taken by itself because he's pointing out a possible inconsistency. However, it fits in with his overall pattern of only commenting on things that relate to him. It doesn't look like he actually cares about pushing a scum-read (Skynx) because his focus is on NU treating him differently to Skynx. It is another example of Damdred only focusing on himself.B. His points make no sense for him to use to scum-read Skynx when he himself admits that he was doing the same thing. According to his logic, that makes him scummy. If a townie was aware that they were doing questionable things, they would have rationalisations for why said things are helpful to the town. Therefore, that townie would be more inclined to town-read players who are acting similarly to them, because they can relate to that behaviour and have an explanation fresh in their minds for why said player is acting like that. So let's say that town!Damdred didn't push on anyone at EOD because he was busy. He sees Skynx not pushing on anyone. He would be more likely to assume that Skynx wasn't pushing anyone because of time constraints too. (bad example but I'm not saying this is what happened. I'm just trying to explain my thought process) So given this, why wouldn't Damdred assume that Skynx also has similar reasoning for acting like he was instead of jumping to the explanation that makes Skynx scum? C. This is another example of Damdred focusing on the easy targets in the thread: - His town-reads match up with popular opinion. - Sheep-voted on the shitty TT train, complete with horrible WIFOM conspiracy theories about scum bussing which cannot be backed up by anything in the thread. (focus on abstract theories > logical arguments) - He never discussed other lynch targets in any of his EOD posts. Why? Because the shitty TT train was already locked in at that point so why would he need to? Even Skynx, Palmar, etc were discussing other candidates. Regardless of how shitty said discussion was, it's better than just settling for a TT vote with NO comment. - After TT flipped, he threw shade on Grack and myself because "their defense of TT was weird" (which isn't the same as scum-motivated, just black sheep) and now focuses on Skynx after NU drew attention to this potential inconsistency. I have yet to see Damdred actually push a 'scum-read' BEFORE someone else did. Classic scum tactic of evading responsibility. - Let's not forget the "don't blame the TT voters, blame the people off the train" post. This was said AFTER HF and Superbia had made it clear that they were going to attack people off the TT train regardless of how TT flipped. Thus, this is a safe position for Damdred to take because he knows he'll have support in the thread already.- I am aware that he suddenly flipped and defended me against Super because he was 'playing devil's advocate'. I have no idea what the fuck he was doing there but it didn't give me good vibes. If he did that after getting pushback against a Calix train then I'm even more inclined to think he's scum because it felt like an awkward and insincere backtrack. Fuck's sake N00b tl;dr - Self-centred and almost-exclusively talks about himself and responds to posts that mention him. - Always hides behind other players' ideas. (e.g., he waited for NU to talk about Skynx before saying Skynx was scummy; waited for HF/ Superbia to say "if TT is town, lynch Calix" before agreeing) - He takes safe/ popular positions in the thread, says nothing controversial whatsoever. - Had no interest in doing anything useful at EOD except for responding when called out, was content with the TT train and did not even bother discussing other options.
1) One is hypocritical as you yourself mainly protected yourself and have overall reacted poorly pressure, also it is natural to foremost take on accusations against yourself as only you (or a cop) knows your alignment. This is nai to the extreme doesn't make anyone scum.
2) When night began I attacked the notion that calix was scum with super via across several posts as I thought that you had nothing to gain from doing what you did. Nu asked for opinions and mine directly countered thread sentiment. So this is a blatant lie and the examples are just wrong.
3) See two obviously can't be true, and I was the starter of some early opinions.
4) I wanted tt lynched not other people, I got the person who I wanted lynched. Not scum indicative and this harkens back,to 1. Nai
As for wishy washy, yep I am sometimes I don't have perfect information so,I second guess myself whenever I can.
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On September 11 2016 22:37 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 22:31 Skynx wrote:On September 11 2016 07:57 Damdred wrote:
Nu why is it again that sky can town hunt and you say he's scum hunting, but when I'm largely town hunting and trying to build what I think is the right group I am not?
And no I disagree with your conclusions over all on sky him voting tt especially when there was a movement away from tt (to a poont) is just scummy.
In fact he complains about people ignoring the other lurkers and never really brings much of anything worth talking about up just says the filter he checked wasn't that bad.
Then he bites someone who he really shouldn't given his filter. So no it's scum Into On September 11 2016 08:10 Damdred wrote:On September 11 2016 08:03 NeverUnlucky wrote:On September 11 2016 07:57 Damdred wrote:
Nu why is it again that sky can town hunt and you say he's scum hunting, but when I'm largely town hunting and trying to build what I think is the right group I am not?
And no I disagree with your conclusions over all on sky him voting tt especially when there was a movement away from tt (to a poont) is just scummy.
In fact he complains about people ignoring the other lurkers and never really brings much of anything worth talking about up just says the filter he checked wasn't that bad.
Then he bites someone who he really shouldn't given his filter. So no it's scum The difference is that you are not confrontational at all in your posts. As if you didn't want to make enemies. That just fits with you town-hunting rather than scum-hunting. Why is it scummy then? You make a point. However, you never really brought anything worth talking about either. Does that make you scum as well? How is this making him scummy? Confrontational is a nai trait scum can be nice or mean and,the same as town. This is a non point I have talked about whatever I wanted to,when,I was in,thread, the fights. Reads, my read on tt most,of,these things were ignored by you however. Idk if voting is mandatory where you are, but jumping on at the end,has the least amount,of responsibilities and,if he brought,hf near tie and hf,flipped even more heat would be on him. His decision making,process does not portray town trying to push or figure out anything. Like what he said about ignoring super shape etc but never pushes then himself and votes the person he was upset we were pushing. That's not town. Into On September 11 2016 22:27 Damdred wrote:
Nothing that's posted makes me scum and honestly calix is creating a narrative that just fits what they want to see.
Sk might be scum I'm not sure the inconsitincies are more scum leaning but not,sure.
Anyway I'll probably be around some,then be here later on Monday.
Also I expected more from you hf. Kill with fire guys. Why is being unsure at points scum indicative again? You can give some generalized reason about scum finding it hard to make scum reads. But the problems I pointed out are real. My town reads nu and shape think I am off base on my reasoning which I need to,check,into more.
Alright, why was I 100% scum some 12 hours ago and why you are not sure if I'm scum now?
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On September 11 2016 22:41 Calix wrote:
It's scum-indicative because you're back-tracking on your only stated 'scum-read' so far.
You look so cute when you post one-liners like this c:
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Shape is a wierder case. I mean he agreed with Damdy for no reason, then nitpicked another reason I'm scum when i denied that very thing literally 2 posts later in my filter.
Then he backed away from everything cuz it didn't make sense. Not sure if this is scummy actually.
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On September 11 2016 22:42 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 22:15 Calix wrote:On September 11 2016 19:04 Calix wrote:On September 11 2016 07:57 Damdred wrote:
Nu why is it again that sky can town hunt and you say he's scum hunting, but when I'm largely town hunting and trying to build what I think is the right group I am not?
And no I disagree with your conclusions over all on sky him voting tt especially when there was a movement away from tt (to a poont) is just scummy.
In fact he complains about people ignoring the other lurkers and never really brings much of anything worth talking about up just says the filter he checked wasn't that bad.
Then he bites someone who he really shouldn't given his filter. So no it's scum This isn't part of the reason I am town-reading Skynx, but I don't like Damdred's push on Skynx either. A. His first line (where he asks why Skynx town-clearing is townie but him doing that is scummy) would be fine taken by itself because he's pointing out a possible inconsistency. However, it fits in with his overall pattern of only commenting on things that relate to him. It doesn't look like he actually cares about pushing a scum-read (Skynx) because his focus is on NU treating him differently to Skynx. It is another example of Damdred only focusing on himself.B. His points make no sense for him to use to scum-read Skynx when he himself admits that he was doing the same thing. According to his logic, that makes him scummy. If a townie was aware that they were doing questionable things, they would have rationalisations for why said things are helpful to the town. Therefore, that townie would be more inclined to town-read players who are acting similarly to them, because they can relate to that behaviour and have an explanation fresh in their minds for why said player is acting like that. So let's say that town!Damdred didn't push on anyone at EOD because he was busy. He sees Skynx not pushing on anyone. He would be more likely to assume that Skynx wasn't pushing anyone because of time constraints too. (bad example but I'm not saying this is what happened. I'm just trying to explain my thought process) So given this, why wouldn't Damdred assume that Skynx also has similar reasoning for acting like he was instead of jumping to the explanation that makes Skynx scum? C. This is another example of Damdred focusing on the easy targets in the thread: - His town-reads match up with popular opinion. - Sheep-voted on the shitty TT train, complete with horrible WIFOM conspiracy theories about scum bussing which cannot be backed up by anything in the thread. (focus on abstract theories > logical arguments) - He never discussed other lynch targets in any of his EOD posts. Why? Because the shitty TT train was already locked in at that point so why would he need to? Even Skynx, Palmar, etc were discussing other candidates. Regardless of how shitty said discussion was, it's better than just settling for a TT vote with NO comment. - After TT flipped, he threw shade on Grack and myself because "their defense of TT was weird" (which isn't the same as scum-motivated, just black sheep) and now focuses on Skynx after NU drew attention to this potential inconsistency. I have yet to see Damdred actually push a 'scum-read' BEFORE someone else did. Classic scum tactic of evading responsibility. - Let's not forget the "don't blame the TT voters, blame the people off the train" post. This was said AFTER HF and Superbia had made it clear that they were going to attack people off the TT train regardless of how TT flipped. Thus, this is a safe position for Damdred to take because he knows he'll have support in the thread already.- I am aware that he suddenly flipped and defended me against Super because he was 'playing devil's advocate'. I have no idea what the fuck he was doing there but it didn't give me good vibes. If he did that after getting pushback against a Calix train then I'm even more inclined to think he's scum because it felt like an awkward and insincere backtrack. Fuck's sake N00b tl;dr - Self-centred and almost-exclusively talks about himself and responds to posts that mention him. - Always hides behind other players' ideas. (e.g., he waited for NU to talk about Skynx before saying Skynx was scummy; waited for HF/ Superbia to say "if TT is town, lynch Calix" before agreeing) - He takes safe/ popular positions in the thread, says nothing controversial whatsoever. - Had no interest in doing anything useful at EOD except for responding when called out, was content with the TT train and did not even bother discussing other options. 1) One is hypocritical as you yourself mainly protected yourself and have overall reacted poorly pressure, also it is natural to foremost take on accusations against yourself as only you (or a cop) knows your alignment. This is nai to the extreme doesn't make anyone scum. 2) When night began I attacked the notion that calix was scum with super via across several posts as I thought that you had nothing to gain from doing what you did. Nu asked for opinions and mine directly countered thread sentiment. So this is a blatant lie and the examples are just wrong. 3) See two obviously can't be true, and I was the starter of some early opinions. 4) I wanted tt lynched not other people, I got the person who I wanted lynched. Not scum indicative and this harkens back,to 1. Nai As for wishy washy, yep I am sometimes I don't have perfect information so,I second guess myself whenever I can.
1. Er no, I have done considerably more than 'just defend myself'. I am not arguing that talking about/ defending yourself is scummy. I am arguing that ONLY talking about yourself is scummy.
Why would any town care to talk about themselves as much as you have when they should be focused on figuring out everyone else's alignment?
2. Explain why you felt the need to say "Calix defending TT is weird" then if you didn't think it was scummy. You were low-key agreeing with the idea that I was sketchy for defending TT's train. If you didn't think that made me suspicious, why did you do it again?
3. [citation fucking needed]
But let's assume you didn't make that shit up. Fire-starting is not a town tell. If anything, that's what scum do. They get other people to talk about and push their own ideas.
4. That doesn't mean you just stop talking about the other trains, wtf. You're telling me that you had no opinions you wanted to share about the EOD events? Not buying it. You got complacent with the ML and stopped posting anything constructive.
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On September 11 2016 22:45 Skynx wrote:
Shape is a wierder case. I mean he agreed with Damdy for no reason, then nitpicked another reason I'm scum when i denied that very thing literally 2 posts later in my filter.
Then he backed away from everything cuz it didn't make sense. Not sure if this is scummy actually.
are you trolling
Shape doesn't agree with Damdred, Shape thinks you are town, mang.
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On September 11 2016 22:48 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 22:45 Skynx wrote:
Shape is a wierder case. I mean he agreed with Damdy for no reason, then nitpicked another reason I'm scum when i denied that very thing literally 2 posts later in my filter.
Then he backed away from everything cuz it didn't make sense. Not sure if this is scummy actually. are you trolling Shape doesn't agree with Damdred, Shape thinks you are town, mang.
Man check 71 again.
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