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On September 09 2016 23:51 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2016 23:47 Skynx wrote: Anyway I'll just comment on stuff as I go along the game, will answer stuff here aswell if u like. Again, another scumtell (which I've explained in an answer to Grock's post). Okay I will ignore your posts here until I catchup if you wish so. Your push has no logical credit to it anyway.
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On September 09 2016 07:02 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2016 06:51 Skynx wrote: New players: "Hmm I'm nervous about my entry post so lemme post some comments on game mechanics to be safe"
Where are you going with this? Do you scum-read us both? Posts without conclusions like this one aren't worth much.
Show nested quote +On September 09 2016 06:46 Tictock wrote: Aw shucks, my streak of rolling town has come to an end.
Guess I wont be posting much so I don't accidentally give you guys info. Lel. Oh man okay excuse my ignorance why didn't you tell you are a tryhard from the start so I could ignore you anyway.
So see the problem here. I pointed out the problem with your opener. You say if I don't scum read you based on it my post is worthless.
In meantime Vivax posted the same shit just writing a bit more stuff then you guys argued three pages over use of pronouns and shit.
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But but... how can I read the thread if I have to answer your spam here while your only argument is i'm not trying?
Hmmmmm
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On September 09 2016 07:42 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2016 07:35 Damdred wrote: It was a joke never.
I think you can be town I do think you are harping on something that doesn't quite make calix scum in this situation though.
Now what do you think of vivax? "It's a joke guise" Maybe I'm off, maybe I'm biased because she's the only player I know. She hasn't done anything I can see worthy of being town-read, so I'm satisfied with my read so far. What are your thoughts on her? I agree with the post he made about Calix's fluff, and I like that he is trying to scum-hunt unlike most players here. However, he did twist some of the things Calix said. Was it in an attempt to throw shade? Was it just a misrep? I don't know yet. I will say that I do not like your slot. You've been sitting back, trying to read solely me and Calix, the new players, the low hanging fruits. You haven't tried to scum-hunt yet either, prefering to ask players some non-confrontational questions instead. Lean-scum. You are also sr'ing Damdred for not trying ok nice.
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On September 10 2016 00:08 Superbia wrote: My solution is usually to read the thread but not the content of posts. Especially long posts. People have boring opinions that are usually wrong and always inferior to my own. I usually read entire posts of Race, is something wrong with me?
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Anyway up to 10 NU, Vivax are townies.
NU for try hardness and sticking his head out there and trying to progress the game and all that. Vivax for same to a lower degree. He pointed out same thing about openers but a bit better I guess.
Damdred can get a tone based town read as he reacted the exact same way I did to NU's push.
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Hmm Tumble's entry is wierd he scumreads NU and spends some time stepping back from it when pressured to explain it.
I also didn't understand this part about shape?
On September 09 2016 09:24 Tumblewood wrote: there is one thing I have on Shapelog that makes me feel really smart. I think he is town because of his setup spec early game, because it shows that he is genuinely interested and not doing it for town cred because setup spec is generally something people scumread you for. not 100% but I'm sticking with it. other people: vivax is probably town just for tone and care-ness calix looks town and NU looks scum to me. even though their entrances were the same from a surface-level point of view, calix feels more genuine and helpful. Damdred interests me but I do not yet have feelings toward his alignment
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On September 09 2016 09:22 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2016 08:17 Vivax wrote: The calix issue for me is that she was so intent on proceeding to splitting atoms with me when I pointed it out.
I'd have felt better about the post if I just had gotten back as answer "alright it's fluffy but I wanted to talk about setup so it's obvious that it's going to be fluffy" instead of her defending the points she made so rabidly (for example in fear of looking bad if not able to defend them).
It's early enough for me to still chill and force silent people to post without having to jump into tunnels, so I'll just judge calix based on other stuff as well, but this will definitely be an argument should I decide for myself that she's mafia. Actually a good point, may have to reexamine your argument when I get out of class. And I've used my 2 15 minute break to at least say something about the game (regardless of how minimal it is). Not sure I fit with anyone who's trolled or called everyone boring and skipped off. So fuba does exactly what I did few hours ago, just popping in and out saying he'll be back but he fires shots at me for going to sleep and no one pushes him hmmm.
And Tumble tr's him for the post above lul
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On September 09 2016 09:51 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2016 07:00 NeverUnlucky wrote:On September 09 2016 06:46 Vivax wrote:On September 09 2016 06:37 Calix wrote: It doesn't look like you guys do RVS and I don't relate to the few posts being made so far, so I'l just chip in with some thoughts on the setup. Not seeing anything particularly eye-popping aside from the following:
- Names aren't allowed in Last Wills but if you wanted to reference a player (e.g., say you're a Sheriff-Vig who wanted to say "I checked X/ this player is innocent/ guilty") then you could quote some post numbers by said player, quote something they said, etc. I don't think LWs will be that useful for the protectives unless nobody died on a certain night because telling the scum who was protected last night in the event of a kill just needlessly gives the scum information on what the healing roles are thinking. If anyone knows what the Doctor roles would even need to tell the town (aside from telling us who they scum-read or something) then I'm all ears.
- There's always the chance that the scum can interfere with the message being given. Although they can only rewrite LWs twice, we can't rely on the LWs much but I think it's good to establish a way for the dead townies to communicate with the rest of the thread because I'm not seeing a way that the scum manipulation of the LWs/ votes can be prevented.
- We might want to be careful with policy lynching apathetic/ inactive players or being sloppy with CFDs in general. I've been told that TL is more open to policy lynches compared to where I come from, but since lynched players become Sheriff-Vigs, I think it would be suboptimal play to give lazy players a KPN in the early stages. This point might be moot, however, as I don't know how anyone here plays or if anyone would qualify as policy-lynch material. (save for NU who I wouldn't consider a policy lynch)
Anyway, hi. It's pretty late for me so if I randomly drop off, don't be surprised. Bolded seems like fluff tbh cause you don't seem to have any own ideas to contribute for this part. "we have to find out what to do" . Who would've thought. Your last point is also pretty uninformative. It's like you're suggesting not to lynch. Doesn't look as bad as your second though. But still. You get a bit of benefit of the doubt for this being your first game here, but if somebody is meh for me right now it's you. Also, she infered that town had PRs before they were lynched which shows she didn't correctly read the setup. It's NAI, but To add to your point about her fluff: she used words like "we" -- Scum tend to use those words more than town to fit in the group. Scum!Calix uses "we" a lot. She ends her post with an excuse to why she wouldn't post in the upcoming hours. It's something scum tends to do more, but it still is NAI. Scum-reading Calix. @Vivax, don't give me or her the benefit of the doubt because we're "new", we aren't. We're both familiar to mafia. Giving either of us (especially her) a chance, it could be all we need to fly under your radar. I like this guy, this is a solid post.
Contrast to Skynx here Show nested quote +On September 09 2016 07:01 Skynx wrote: Nothing good on tv/twitch and you guys are no fun, I'm offski to bed. First to post, been around, fucks off without saying anything and right about when things start happening. Of all NU's actions you picked this one to townread him? Whats special about it he's arguing about how using 'we' is NAI... I don't even know what to say about the point about me, sorry for not predicting when stuff is gona happen? When I left nothing was happening so I left.
Not a fan of this post.
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HF is town for tunnel on TT easiest read so far.
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I was just about to say I'm liking Calix in a general scheme of his posts but what happened here
On September 09 2016 09:46 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2016 09:39 Tumblewood wrote:On September 09 2016 09:31 Calix wrote:On September 09 2016 09:24 Tumblewood wrote: there is one thing I have on Shapelog that makes me feel really smart. I think he is town because of his setup spec early game, because it shows that he is genuinely interested and not doing it for town cred because setup spec is generally something people scumread you for. not 100% but I'm sticking with it. other people: vivax is probably town just for tone and care-ness calix looks town and NU looks scum to me. even though their entrances were the same from a surface-level point of view, calix feels more genuine and helpful. Damdred interests me but I do not yet have feelings toward his alignment "Doing X gets you scum-read so anyone who does X is town because scum don't want to risk the negative attention" - Isn't this argument based around WIFOM? I don't know what this site's view towards setup spec is but I consider it NAI. It's commonplace on my home site. I don't disagree with the conclusion but I dislike the reasoning. Your NU scum-read doesn't make sense. Why would the fact that I 'feel more genuine and helpful' have an impact on what NU's alignment is? You just used someone else to give a scum-read on another player. You say our entrances are the same on the 'surface level' so how do they differ underneath that then? So Damdred's a null? Not sure why you included him - why does he interest you? see, the argument looks like wifom, because it is, but scum!shape is better at looking town than town!shape and is unlikely to do setup spec imo re: NU, I implied that NU did not feel genuine. sorry if that was unclear. and the genuineness was what differed, more or less. and ya Damdred interests me because of how he wants to form a town circle (and also his posting style - more on that eventually) already but I have not yet determined what this means about his alignment. WIFOM and meta, two of my favourite things ever. Well I can't comment further on that read since I've only been in one game with Shapelog (which tells me nothing) and I'd rather remain ignorant so that my reads aren't tainted by subjective interpretations of how someone acted in a previous game. Also I hate being meta-read myself. Can you point me to where you felt that NU was insincere? Or explain why him confusing you so much means he's less likely to be scum? I don't relate to your thought process so far. Personally I think trying to force a town circle just creates friction and increases the chance of scum getting into one. I don't think he was doing that though, just said he wanted to lynch outside of his town circle...which is basically going "I will lynch a null/ scum read over a town read" so I don't think there's much to be found there. I mean scum will almost always get into a certain town circle, if they all get in there thats because they played well and town fucked up so its gg + Show Spoiler +*cough* btdt game *cough* . Fortunately most of the time one mafia is caught outside cuz town circle worked together. They then make associative analysis based on the flip and see who from the town circle was absolute balls about the scum that got caught. Then the town circle gets updated so on and so on. Most important thing is usually people to work together and not wander off in their lost causes.
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On September 10 2016 00:46 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2016 00:45 Skynx wrote: HF is town for tunnel on TT easiest read so far. Tunneling is NAI.
On September 10 2016 00:53 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2016 00:45 Skynx wrote: HF is town for tunnel on TT easiest read so far. What the fuck lol I mean first there is meta, from the games at least I've seen him play maf HF is very swingy and undecisive unless he's bussing. Second, when I was going thru the thread I didn't like TT either 1st because of the entry 2nd for the post i quoted some way back. When you see someone one the same page as you they are usually town cuz scum somehow has to scumread people on wrong grounds.
Thats about it really, bare in mind I'm only in p12 so far.
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On September 10 2016 01:00 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2016 00:53 Holyflare wrote:On September 10 2016 00:45 Skynx wrote: HF is town for tunnel on TT easiest read so far. What the fuck lol Yea that's a really shoddy read. On top of it, it can never be right to make such a call on someone like you. So far I don't see much novelty from Skynx, he's just piling up on the popular targets TT/TW and seems to TR almost everyone who goes after them or was involved in early game. Thats a meh accusation coming from you since i had an explanation behind most of my reads (except hf which i explained now since ppl are confused). If you feel like my reasoning behind reads are shit feel free to comment on them otherwise this is poor from you.
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lol HF trolling the rest of the page ok maybe i can suspend my tr.
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Also two people that are laying low so far are Grack and Shape.
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On September 10 2016 01:08 Skynx wrote: Also two people that are laying low so far are Grack and Shape. EBWOP: up to p13 that is
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brb cooking and stuff plz comment on my stuff while i'm away so i can comment back especially NU since you wanted me to become active how do you feel about my reads?
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Back soon, picking up from 14
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Soooo much wifom in 14 that i cant even...
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3 ppl spend 3 pages discussing simplest mechanics literally.
You get lynched, you can cop check for that night. Once per game only one of those who get lynched can vigi shot instead of a check. You get nk'd, you can protect someone following night.
Anyway don't want to stir up mechanics discussion again but might aswell put my stance on it. I mean write whatever you want on your message, it can get manipulated so doesn't really matter what you put in it. However dead can decide on their collective vote accordingly to the message, if it is unchanged then their vote will be manipulated that they know for sure. If it is changed then you know your vote is safe.
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