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On September 11 2016 06:46 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 06:45 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:41 Grackaroni wrote:
Seriously no one just disappears entirely because they are mafia. There is always a non-game related reason for a total disappearance. If scum doesn't just kill me tonight I guarantee that I'm going super saiyan day 2. I'm feeling annoyed over this lynch. Marv. Marv has solid scum play! He's just at a disadvantage because he gets a lot more attention than other people.
Marv has completely shut down in a PYP game before. Like he posted 1 or 2 things, got a small bit of pressure and just afked the entire game.
+ Show Spoiler +Town victory d2, pre-lynch.
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On September 11 2016 06:48 Damdred wrote:
@Super just hypothetical what's the point of defending a 100% lynch as scum?
It's instinctual to "bend towards the truth" when you have too much information. Like you're more likely to call town town. Especially if they're being scum read.
I may actually be completely wrong on Calix btw. I need to re-read EoD1.
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On September 11 2016 06:49 Calix wrote:
TT was not objectively scummy. He only had one person who gave any kind of reasoning for his train. If he was actually scummy, that wouldn't have been the case.
I didn't say that I knew he was town for certain. The only thing I knew was that his train sucked and this is undeniable. A train that isn't being contested with a bunch of sheep voters = shitty.
You are only focusing on me being scum when I wasn't the only person defending TT's shitty train. Yet I am the only person that is scummy for defending TT. Selective scum-hunting, now that's actually sketchy.
I read him as probable town due to external factors, in this case votes. You don't always need to use his posts (which sucked but there was nothing that came from a 100% scum mindset) to figure that out. Not a scum tell, sorry not sorry.
I'll see if there's something reasonable in your EoD filter at some later point in time.
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On September 11 2016 06:52 Calix wrote:
Superbia's logic is not consistent. He says we should look at the people defending the ML and that 'town would never defend TT in that situation' but is uncritically town-reading NU despite him defending the ML too. And he has said nothing on how NU defending TT isn't scummy yet my defense is.
I think NU is town. Especially after his "look at me too" posts. Though the WIFOM may be real.
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Though I did dive on both you and tumble because of gut. Which is pretty much always correct.
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On September 11 2016 06:54 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 06:51 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:48 Damdred wrote:
@Super just hypothetical what's the point of defending a 100% lynch as scum? It's instinctual to "bend towards the truth" when you have too much information. Like you're more likely to call town town. Especially if they're being scum read. I may actually be completely wrong on Calix btw. I need to re-read EoD1. Just follow with me for a moment as I'm working through this. Lets say that you are a mid to high tier player (as I think every one in this game is). You rolled scum, you already have a scum read on the person getting lynched. Its wifom partly, but what's the point to flipping your read bringing ore attention to yourself when your ere being 80% town read just for a I told you so at that point?
Who are we talking about here specifically?
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On September 11 2016 06:54 Calix wrote:
That's called constipation.
But seriously, fuck 'gut reads' to high hell.
And if you think I'm relenting on my read of you because you might 'reconsider' your shitty 'scum-read' then you can suck it.
I'm only scared that I may lose too much town favor in terms of votes.
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On September 11 2016 06:54 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 06:44 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:37 Calix wrote:On September 11 2016 06:36 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:35 Calix wrote:On September 11 2016 06:32 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:31 Calix wrote:On September 11 2016 06:28 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:27 Calix wrote:
Damdred had 2 votes. HF had 2 votes until I voted for him within the last 10 minutes.
Continue to mischaracterise the situation, why don't you? Did you actually try to convince people to go on damdred? I recall you actually being pretty quiet during the final (and most important) hour. Yes, idiot. And the overall response was "Damdred can be useful if he's town" and "TT is a better option, let's sheep his train" You said yourself that "TT would have posted if he was town" - how do I argue with such stellar reasoning exactly? I'll see when I reread EoD.  You haven't answered how I would have countered that kind of point. Your reasoning for joining the TT train is extremely weak and you have nothing to say about that when you were proven wrong, eh? TT is a good town who literally stopped posting when someone put pressure on him. Like I am expecting him, as town, to come in and defend himself or at least do fucking something. lol so the possibility of him being legitimately AFK never occurred to you? Calling bullshit. For an entire day and a half? Right at the point when pressure is applied to him? Was highly unlikely. The fact remains that TT was indeed objectively scummy and that people have defended him for completely shitty reasons. As it stands, we, as town, should always look at the people who defended him because: - There was literally no good reason to believe he is town as town because towns never know for certain. There simply is no(t enough) town-alignment-indicative information provided by TT to ever read him town, and all the reasons to put pressure on him and/or read him mafia. - Therefore; a town should never defend TT because they should never read him town. UNLESS it is strictly BECAUSE people are defending TT (mafia-defense etc.). - Also it is possible that a town null-reads TT but would much rather push his own target, but that's different from defending. If a train is utter shit, the trained player is in most cases TOWN. Calix and I have explained many times how the train was shit and that TT was most likely town given this. Do you not do VCA in TL? Also, we were pushing for Damdred, but it did not get attention because the scum were most likely drawing everyone's attention to TT, leaving our case in the shadows.
What the fuck is a VCA.
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On September 11 2016 06:56 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 06:48 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:45 NeverUnlucky wrote:On September 11 2016 06:31 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:29 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Calix, you've got to interact with me if you want us to be efficient. I town-read you. Now more than ever is the time you have to collaborate with me. Wild prediction: this guy is getting shot tonight. I actually predict that the mafia'll shoot Vivax over me because he has site experience and it would be framing you, but I wouldn't be surprised if I was found riddled with bullets tomorrow morning. Both of us are so widely tr'ed that we're as close as we can get to confirmed towns in this setup. Then again, they might WIFOM and shoot someone else. Did you have both me and Vivax as townreads? Someone needs to check at some point. Tbf I just think you're town, never a lynch target, and on the wrong side of the argument. Yes, I did have you as lean-town. What is your point though? Yes, TT's flip proved that, right? zzz
1. Something that's probably irrelevant.
2. No.
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On September 11 2016 06:56 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 06:54 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:54 Damdred wrote:On September 11 2016 06:51 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:48 Damdred wrote:
@Super just hypothetical what's the point of defending a 100% lynch as scum? It's instinctual to "bend towards the truth" when you have too much information. Like you're more likely to call town town. Especially if they're being scum read. I may actually be completely wrong on Calix btw. I need to re-read EoD1. Just follow with me for a moment as I'm working through this. Lets say that you are a mid to high tier player (as I think every one in this game is). You rolled scum, you already have a scum read on the person getting lynched. Its wifom partly, but what's the point to flipping your read bringing ore attention to yourself when your ere being 80% town read just for a I told you so at that point? Who are we talking about here specifically? Let's not nAMe names lets just answer honestly
If someone scum scumread TT early on they're somewhat likely to join the waffling near EoD. Or dig in.
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On September 11 2016 06:57 Calix wrote:
Also I haven't used TT's mislynch as a "I told you so" thing. You people keep saying "Calix defended TT" but you haven't said what I would actually get out of it.
I'm not using TT's mislynch to push a scum-read on anyone. I'm not saying "I told you so". I'm not saying I am town for defending TT. I am not saying I am town for making this post "cuz WIFOM lul"
But fuck WIFOM for a second...what exactly would scum!Calix get out of this if not those things?
No, no.
What are you getting out of this as town, exactly?
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On September 11 2016 06:59 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 06:57 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:56 Damdred wrote:On September 11 2016 06:54 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:54 Damdred wrote:On September 11 2016 06:51 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:48 Damdred wrote:
@Super just hypothetical what's the point of defending a 100% lynch as scum? It's instinctual to "bend towards the truth" when you have too much information. Like you're more likely to call town town. Especially if they're being scum read. I may actually be completely wrong on Calix btw. I need to re-read EoD1. Just follow with me for a moment as I'm working through this. Lets say that you are a mid to high tier player (as I think every one in this game is). You rolled scum, you already have a scum read on the person getting lynched. Its wifom partly, but what's the point to flipping your read bringing ore attention to yourself when your ere being 80% town read just for a I told you so at that point? Who are we talking about here specifically? Let's not nAMe names lets just answer honestly If someone scum scumread TT early on they're somewhat likely to join the waffling near EoD. Or dig in. What about being super paranoid about halfway through d1 hating who's joining the wagon and thinks it's to easy? Scum or town?
Depends on who and what. Also actually a hard question, definitely depends on the circumstance. More specifically, the second wagon.
Getting people off TT and onto a (nother) town wagon is so good for scum.
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On September 11 2016 07:02 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 06:59 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:57 Calix wrote:
Also I haven't used TT's mislynch as a "I told you so" thing. You people keep saying "Calix defended TT" but you haven't said what I would actually get out of it.
I'm not using TT's mislynch to push a scum-read on anyone. I'm not saying "I told you so". I'm not saying I am town for defending TT. I am not saying I am town for making this post "cuz WIFOM lul"
But fuck WIFOM for a second...what exactly would scum!Calix get out of this if not those things? No, no. What are you getting out of this as town, exactly? Showing that the scum-read on me for defending TT is shitty, duh. I'm asking for what intent I would have, as scum, to defend TT. Also if it wasn't obvious, I hate 'WIFOM' as a response. That's almost-always been a cop-out way of saying "I have no retort but I won't say as much" like seriously.
In general I would say that—and my point from me on you boils down to this as well—you defending TT gives you something "to do" and look townie. This coupled with me feeling you have no real direction (especially at EoD!) makes me believe you are scum.
Either way I will revisit your EoD (and maybe more) filter.
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On September 11 2016 07:01 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 06:56 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:54 NeverUnlucky wrote:On September 11 2016 06:44 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:37 Calix wrote:On September 11 2016 06:36 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:35 Calix wrote:On September 11 2016 06:32 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:31 Calix wrote:On September 11 2016 06:28 Superbia wrote:
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Did you actually try to convince people to go on damdred? I recall you actually being pretty quiet during the final (and most important) hour. Yes, idiot. And the overall response was "Damdred can be useful if he's town" and "TT is a better option, let's sheep his train" You said yourself that "TT would have posted if he was town" - how do I argue with such stellar reasoning exactly? I'll see when I reread EoD. You haven't answered how I would have countered that kind of point. Your reasoning for joining the TT train is extremely weak and you have nothing to say about that when you were proven wrong, eh? TT is a good town who literally stopped posting when someone put pressure on him. Like I am expecting him, as town, to come in and defend himself or at least do fucking something. lol so the possibility of him being legitimately AFK never occurred to you? Calling bullshit. For an entire day and a half? Right at the point when pressure is applied to him? Was highly unlikely. The fact remains that TT was indeed objectively scummy and that people have defended him for completely shitty reasons. As it stands, we, as town, should always look at the people who defended him because: - There was literally no good reason to believe he is town as town because towns never know for certain. There simply is no(t enough) town-alignment-indicative information provided by TT to ever read him town, and all the reasons to put pressure on him and/or read him mafia. - Therefore; a town should never defend TT because they should never read him town. UNLESS it is strictly BECAUSE people are defending TT (mafia-defense etc.). - Also it is possible that a town null-reads TT but would much rather push his own target, but that's different from defending. If a train is utter shit, the trained player is in most cases TOWN. Calix and I have explained many times how the train was shit and that TT was most likely town given this. Do you not do VCA in TL? Also, we were pushing for Damdred, but it did not get attention because the scum were most likely drawing everyone's attention to TT, leaving our case in the shadows. What the fuck is a VCA. Vote Count Analysis. What Calix and I did to show that TT's lynch was most likely a ML, 3 hours before he was lynched.
It's like 60% efficient. In most cases I would be paranoid as well. ESPECIALLY given the defenses, but I really felt like we needed to actually see the flip before any conclusions could be drawn.
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On September 11 2016 07:05 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 07:02 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:59 Damdred wrote:On September 11 2016 06:57 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:56 Damdred wrote:On September 11 2016 06:54 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:54 Damdred wrote:On September 11 2016 06:51 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:48 Damdred wrote:
@Super just hypothetical what's the point of defending a 100% lynch as scum? It's instinctual to "bend towards the truth" when you have too much information. Like you're more likely to call town town. Especially if they're being scum read. I may actually be completely wrong on Calix btw. I need to re-read EoD1. Just follow with me for a moment as I'm working through this. Lets say that you are a mid to high tier player (as I think every one in this game is). You rolled scum, you already have a scum read on the person getting lynched. Its wifom partly, but what's the point to flipping your read bringing ore attention to yourself when your ere being 80% town read just for a I told you so at that point? Who are we talking about here specifically? Let's not nAMe names lets just answer honestly If someone scum scumread TT early on they're somewhat likely to join the waffling near EoD. Or dig in. What about being super paranoid about halfway through d1 hating who's joining the wagon and thinks it's to easy? Scum or town? Depends on who and what. Also actually a hard question, definitely depends on the circumstance. More specifically, the second wagon. Getting people off TT and onto a (nother) town wagon is so good for scum. I honestly don't think calix just rethinking on things is probably scum. Shows paranoia about the lynch to well to be from scum (on a first look) Is way to aggro and put themselves way to out there with Mich to hard a stance and to weird a turn to come from scum. Just ny initial take,though I think,the scum reads are off this time even from myself.
Maybe. I need to sleep on it first. HF has echoed my thoughts accurately too many times for me to believe he is scum. Someone has told me before that this is a trap, though HF was town that game.
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On September 11 2016 07:12 Calix wrote:
I was scum-reading Damdred before the mislynch happened, was ambivalent about you and suspected Superbia when he said "if TT flips town, lynch Calix and TW"
And those reads have little to do with the fact that you guys were on the mislynch.
So no.
I too can ask the question of "why would I do that as mafia?" (and it'd be a pretty decent question), but it'd be super WIFOM.
Either way I feel like nothing is coming to fruition (mostly because I'm too lazy/tired to check actual facts), so I'm going to lurk for a bit and then go to sleep.
Cya nerds.
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I.e. it's all super wifom.
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On September 11 2016 07:14 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2016 07:08 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 07:05 Damdred wrote:On September 11 2016 07:02 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:59 Damdred wrote:On September 11 2016 06:57 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:56 Damdred wrote:On September 11 2016 06:54 Superbia wrote:On September 11 2016 06:54 Damdred wrote:On September 11 2016 06:51 Superbia wrote:
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It's instinctual to "bend towards the truth" when you have too much information. Like you're more likely to call town town. Especially if they're being scum read.
I may actually be completely wrong on Calix btw. I need to re-read EoD1. Just follow with me for a moment as I'm working through this. Lets say that you are a mid to high tier player (as I think every one in this game is). You rolled scum, you already have a scum read on the person getting lynched. Its wifom partly, but what's the point to flipping your read bringing ore attention to yourself when your ere being 80% town read just for a I told you so at that point? Who are we talking about here specifically? Let's not nAMe names lets just answer honestly If someone scum scumread TT early on they're somewhat likely to join the waffling near EoD. Or dig in. What about being super paranoid about halfway through d1 hating who's joining the wagon and thinks it's to easy? Scum or town? Depends on who and what. Also actually a hard question, definitely depends on the circumstance. More specifically, the second wagon. Getting people off TT and onto a (nother) town wagon is so good for scum. I honestly don't think calix just rethinking on things is probably scum. Shows paranoia about the lynch to well to be from scum (on a first look) Is way to aggro and put themselves way to out there with Mich to hard a stance and to weird a turn to come from scum. Just ny initial take,though I think,the scum reads are off this time even from myself. Maybe. I need to sleep on it first. HF has echoed my thoughts accurately too many times for me to believe he is scum. Someone has told me before that this is a trap, though HF was town that game. I think hf is town in this situation to. Like I am in a weird position Hf, super, grac, cal, UN, super, fuba are what ant I'd think are my town reads. Paranoid of vivax but I'll,figure that out I'm suspicious of tw Palmar is Monday Sky and shape to me votes look the worst but shapes sick so want to,give him a bit of time (<3) So either its a super easy game or going to get,messy.
I think that town list may be too generous.
I have no idea on grac/fuba.
Cal is mafia pending re-read.
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