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well. if oneg really want to out. *sigh* /in you'd better carry me though =p | ||
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On August 27 2016 22:00 Rels wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/438626-tl-mafia-community-thread I think that is more like supporting the addiction | ||
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i think one is supposed to to help giving support in overcoming the addiction. the other one is fueling the addiction. dont ask me which is which. | ||
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On August 29 2016 05:59 Trfel wrote: Beentheredonethat is the worst cohost on TL. I didn't think he would be cruel enough to make me mafia two games in a row  btdt wasnt a co-host in palmars game? which game do you mean? just copying damdy from onegu 2 On August 29 2016 06:01 Trfel wrote: Disformation, where does your name come from? If I remember correctly, it's not just a misspelling of "disinformation", right? nope. really bad word play. computer science is "informatik" in German. Which kinda is very close to information, or rather comes from that. Made that nick when I was struggling very hard with my studies. | ||
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his last game was palmars huge themed park. he was scum there alright, but btdt wasnt hosting in any fashion that game. and this game he is the main host not co-host? Is this supposed to be some kind of joke and I am missing something here? | ||
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On August 29 2016 06:08 Trfel wrote: Disformation, I find it very odd that you felt the need to justify your earlier post after Vivax made an obviously joking statement. Please explain? Vivax was making a joke? | ||
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On August 29 2016 06:12 Trfel wrote: Yes, I mis-typed, I meant to say "host" instead of "cohost". Doesn't change the fact that beentheredonethat is evil. His involvement (or lack thereof) with hosting the Palmar game has nothing to do with it. Ah I think I understand now. You are not saying he is evil for having you rolled as scum two games in a row, but he is evil for having you rolled scum this game, after you already were scum in your last game? correct? | ||
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On August 29 2016 06:18 Trfel wrote: Okay, joke was probably not the best word. Try "light-hearted comment" instead. 1. You posted at the start of the game that you were confirmed town. I am assuming here (correct me if I am wrong) that the reason that you are (supposedly) confirmed town is that you made the first post. I am also assuming (again, correct me if I am wrong) that everyone is aware that being confirmed town by virtue of having the first post in the game is a joke. 2. Vivax points out that you are not in fact confirmed town (and again, we're assuming that this is in fact a true statement). 3. You respond to Vivax here. I'm interested in why you responded in the post mentioned in (3) above. yes yes yes why not? | ||
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or is he trying to get town to generate content by talking about that. on the other hand he is kinda annoying me already, which is normally not in trfel's range. so he might be trying to break meta. | ||
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On August 29 2016 06:23 Trfel wrote: So the reason you posted that is just because you feel that there's no reason not to? Because to me, it seems like not only a pointless statement, but also averting attention by saying "Look, I did the same thing that someone else did! That's the explanation!" instead of speaking for yourself. It feels a bit out of place. Am I missing something? averting attention away from what? | ||
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On August 29 2016 06:29 Palmar wrote: This is not a joke btw. Rels is probably mafia. please enlighten me. for instantly disappearing after posting a 2 character post? Is that a meta thing for him? | ||
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On August 29 2016 06:30 Trfel wrote: Short answer: yourself + Show Spoiler [Long Answer] + It's one thing to say, "here are my thoughts". It's another to say, "here are someone else's thoughts, shown over here, and so I'm doing the same thing". This is made much greater in a game of mafia, because even though people don't know your alignment, they know that Damdred was town in that game and did it as town, so therefore the actions that you took are sensible for town. Instead of simply ignoring it (which is perfectly valid) or providing an explanation that is your own words, and your own ideas, instead of someone else's. I don't believe you believe that crap this early in the game. You are def. trying to make an elephant out of nothing here. Classical scum. ##vote Trfel | ||
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That being said I think I'll throw him into my scum lean pool. | ||
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Trfel and Rels | ||
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Am I going full OMGUS on a town here, cause he is pushing me over nothing, or is he scum pushing me over nothing? Would actually like some pressure on Rels, so he comes back and actually plays. | ||
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On August 29 2016 06:50 scott31337 wrote: He saw how townie you played in the last game, did he build a lot of respect from you of it, because I would think he would find easier targets, you know what I mean? when I entered the game last game a lot of ppl scum read me. E.g. Hats though I would very likely be scum. But your argument makes a lot of sense. Unless Trfel is breaking meta hardcore I don't think he would push me like this right of the bat. | ||
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On August 29 2016 06:50 Trfel wrote: Do you not agree about Palmar? I would agree with a town lean, do not agree with the very, as of so far. | ||
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On August 29 2016 06:56 Palmar wrote: I declare this game to be a case game. This means that if you want someone to get lynched, you post a case. Don't just talk in stupid circles and spam for ages, make a case, summarize your points and make it concise. cool. will probably have to work on the concise thing, though. also getting late here, so I'm out. cu guys tomorrow. <3 | ||
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On August 29 2016 07:00 Trfel wrote: Okay, think I get what you're saying. Tumblewood, I'd appreciate an explanation Disformation, last question for now, when you say "breaking meta", what are you referring to? as scum you like to avoid spotlight very much. this game you basically are screaming for that. see your opener for example. | ||
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On August 29 2016 07:04 Koshi wrote: I miss being God. So much fun. You liked me being God disformation? i thought you would revive/resurrect me near eod. | ||
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On August 29 2016 07:08 Koshi wrote: I saw it in obs qt. hahahahahaha dat wishful thinking. yup. but you guys played really well and we fucked up the factory so incredible hard that i cabt complain about the loss. | ||
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On August 29 2016 14:45 geript wrote: Trfel should know better than to open like this as town. This expansion is pretty bad. Vivax had the only correct response to Trfel's "I am scum" post. This post and the expansion from it are bad. I associate that more with scum!trfel but he can be bad as town too. This post is kinda towny. I wish the "why not?" weren't a question. The confident "come at me bro" aspect of it I like, but the question mark throws a damper on that somewhat. not a big fan of this post. "I'll tell you what I'm going to talk about. Say nothing meaninful about it. Give random townread." Curious if plammar being plammar or if actual read. I'm sure he'll talk about in some put me to sleep way. This is surprisingly not an awful observation. confirmed not reading I really don't get this post. I feel like any decent player would've ignored this shit already regardless of alignment. I am not impressed. Minus points here. I figured his "maybe plammar is mafia" post was just a verbal jab. This makes it seem like he was intending to do more with it but meh. useless passive rehash I actually like this post. I don't agree with it, but there's thought behind it. I like Trfel picking up on this post. And right back to useless questions... Don't hate this post. Probably true, but I want to lynch him just for bringing it up. I really like this. I liked it when I first saw it and I like it again now. Sadly I don't think it says anything about HF. I like the followup though even if it is passive. I like picking up on the Vivax post and bringing it back up. This is really left field and I don't understand where it's coming from. TT explain. good morning. what do you conclude ftom liking/disliking/not being impressed/etc. ? | ||
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ive seen a scum trying to coast by on effort of using a huge spreadsheet and posting meh reads bqsed on that before. that beong said i like new scott so far. lets see what he does with it. | ||
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On August 29 2016 15:09 Trfel wrote: Hey, disformation, want to solve the game together? would love to solve the game. | ||
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On August 29 2016 15:18 Trfel wrote: My question wasn't exclusive to disformation, I assumed (wrongly) that he was the only one around. Geript (or anyone else), if you'd like to discuss as well, I would love to Is there anyone in particular that you feel are interesting/worth discussing first? not rly tbh. xD should take a look at rb and danhel, ome to work and kinda skimmed that stuff. | ||
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On August 29 2016 15:34 Trfel wrote: Also, someone help me out, which two people is Koshi referring to as being mafia in this post? you and tw imo. vivi is town imo. | ||
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On August 29 2016 15:45 Trfel wrote: Disformation, Holyflare and geript (iirc) have both brought up that they are quite suspicious of Vivax. Yet you don't seem to be suspicious of Holyflare and geript. What are your thoughts here? *to clarify, I'm not trying to trap you in words, just genuinely curious geript just called him town? do not really agree woth the assessment that vivax has only posted tripe by hf. but i am suspicious of anyone minus tt. | ||
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On August 29 2016 16:02 Trfel wrote: Bleh, you're right. Okay, so why do you think that Vivax is town then? his case on Rels made me laugh. | ||
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On August 29 2016 16:05 Trfel wrote: But you posted that Vivax is town before he posted his case on Rels? yes, cause I liked his early posts. now I am still thinking he is town for having made me laugh | ||
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On August 29 2016 16:13 Trfel wrote: Sure, why are you so confident that Tictock is town? For correctly using meta to TR me, when he could just sheep one of the really strong players scumreading me. | ||
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On August 29 2016 16:22 Trfel wrote: I think I kind of like DanelerH. It feels like he is involved with the game and actually interested in looking into people's thinking behind their actions. Thoughts? I liked that he came in with an original read and did not just rehash/rephrase/do nothing. Also liked his reaction, when ppl pointed out that this is koshis usual playstyle. Feels organic and not forced. So yes agree. | ||
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Can you explain your Race scumread? You only say that he picked a weird pair to scumread. Also why I am more likely to be scum than TW and Race? | ||
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On August 29 2016 16:34 Trfel wrote: Tumblewood Tumblewood has made several reads this game but it doesn't feel like he cares about those reads at all. One big example of this is his Palmar read:Tumblewood feels a bit unsure and apathetic about Palmar's scumread of Rels, but still seems to think that Palmar may be mafia. Yet when I asked him for more about this read, he said no. In addition, there is no continuity to his reads. It just doesn't seem like he cares about his reads at all. Thoughts? I did like the scott spreadsheet thing. Also liked how he was just like "Koshi your read sucks" for tone reasons. Though the later one is super weak. Rest of his filter is super bleh. Like I get demotivated from reading that, too. xD Guess that would make for a scumlean or something. | ||
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Does feel totally different to geript when I last played with him. But since that was a long while ago and I only played with geript once: can the ppl who played with geript more often comment on that? | ||
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On August 29 2016 16:52 Trfel wrote: Disformation, I have a terrible meta read that says that Tictock is mafia. My terrible meta read is that when Tictock is mafia, he tends to cooperate with people and be a bit nicer to them. And when he's town, he can be a bit more abrasive and uses a harsher tone to voice his suspicions. I think that this meta is semi-decent (but terrible because I am the one who said it), and I think that it points towards Tictock being mafia in this game. Do you agree with my interpretation of Tictock's meta, and if so, do you agree with my interpretation of Tictock's play this game with respect to this? hm. well he might be trying to pocket/buddy me. In which case he has succeeded. I remember that TT can get into really bad tunnels as town, which is why I call him tunneltock from time to time. Don't really know about that nice/brash thing. Would have to read some old filters from him. I remember being impressed by his scum play in a game where I shadowed... damdy? So not sure about this without reading some old games. | ||
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Makes no sense to have given up in this game though. xD | ||
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On August 29 2016 17:03 Koshi wrote: Not sure if I like this answer but I'll allow it. Thank you for your generosity. :p On August 29 2016 17:03 Trfel wrote: Sorry, disformation, I know I've asked you a ton of questions this game, but one more.... I'm honestly not really sure where you're at, even after reading your filter. Who are some of your strongest townreads and scumreads? Uh. That would require myself knowing where I am at? Let me try: wtf I dont know how to handle that new scott I think is town, but dont want to call town, because trust issues from last game koshi town lean for shitty reasons vivax rb DanelerH town read for shitty reasons tt actualy town read trfel scum leans tw rels royce | ||
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On August 29 2016 17:08 Koshi wrote: Going to run with a TW & RB mafia team. You guys can find the third. can you explain your RB scum read for me? | ||
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On August 29 2016 17:19 Koshi wrote: It's an unflipped association read with a pinch of TMI. The really good stuff. also: without any explanation whatsoever. what do you think about that vt flavor thing he started out with? | ||
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On August 29 2016 17:24 Koshi wrote: goddamn that was him. Ok, that is a bit problematic. Ok let's keep him at null then. The only way I can see mafia do that is if there actually is VT flavor in the QT and he wanted to be brave. But I doubt it because all the roles are in the OP. yeah, that is why I have him as a shitty town lean. | ||
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Also went through geripts walls and tried to add up his reads/comments via a point system: (note that this is an interpretation) -: bad post +: good post |: meh post trfel: - - + - disfo: + - - tw: - - - palmar: | - - - scott: + - vivax: + koshi: + hf: | + TT: + - | rb: - mostly lines up with his actual reads at the end of his second wall. kinda want him to explain why he doesnt think palmar is scum despite disliking a lot of palmars posts + the questions I asked earlier. | ||
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On August 29 2016 17:33 Trfel wrote: So I think I am at..... Town Palmar - Meta Vivax? - Meta I like the way he dove in, most notably the read on Tumblewood. Though I don't like that he stopped doing stuff at roughly the same time that disformation and I called him town. That might have simply been bedtime in his part of Europe though.Town Lean scott31337 - He's doing stuff. Normally scott31337 doesn't do stuff. That generally isn't a meta that you break for the first time as mafia. DanelerH? disformation? - I'm allowed to waffle on waffle boy. Maybe Mafia Ish? Tictock? Rels? Tumblewood Not really that sure on the rest to be honest. I really don't like geript's thing on Tictock, but the rest of it is sensible, even if not great; I don't feel super confident pursuing this yet. vivax last post was at 00.10 his time. So yeah would make sense for him to go to bed at that time. Can you explain that palmar meta thing when you come back? | ||
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using that as a basis I too think Palmar is playing to his town meta this game. | ||
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On August 29 2016 17:55 disformation wrote: I actually took a look at the meta read NM used to figure out scum!palmar in star wars the mafia awaken and then compared palmars filter from that game to the one he has here. using that as a basis I too think Palmar is playing to his town meta this game. to explain: town!palmar is very sure of himself, even if he is wrong. in star wars awaken, he used a lot of weakish statements like "might be" "might not be" etc. and was scum. Looking at his filter this game he seems to be pretty sure in his statements, hence that makes him more likely town. | ||
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On February 04 2016 19:09 Palmar wrote: bf might be mafia, there is no way that literally every point he made on disformation is scummy. Not even scum is scummy in every word. On February 04 2016 19:14 Palmar wrote: Not that I sort of agree with bf disformation sounds more like town, but that has very little to do with bf's alignment On February 04 2016 20:07 Palmar wrote: Also bf sort of doesn't really sound like mafia. I find it weird that he would go after the entirety of ritoky's post, it's a massive stretch, but I guess there's not really much that has happened in the game, so maybe stretches are the best he's got. He's at least actually trying to do something. I like that he actually is keeping the pressure on ritoky despite some pushback, this last post about ritoky just rehashing the information sounds like genuinely believes that he has something there. Sounds really different to Palmar this game. | ||
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And ofc I am willing to reevaluate as the game goes on. Need my waffelz! Nah seriously I'll call Palmar town. Does anyone have an opinion on HF? Cause I kinda dont and I am scared by that. | ||
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On August 29 2016 19:02 Palmar wrote: he has about 24 hours to be super smart. If all he does is get into arguments he's mafia. like seriously, if I ever get killed this game and holyflare comes under suspicion. If you find yourself arguing complex logic with him you are GOING TO LOSE. Also it means he's mafia. Like his primary strategy as scum is to just argue people into the ground when they accuse him. I was a shadow in Himalayas, so I am kinda aware that he can outarguing the whole damn game. | ||
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On August 29 2016 19:17 Palmar wrote: I wasn't, I just know hf. Literally the tactic is, when he starts rant-arguing with people is to stick fingers in your ears, yell "can't hear you over the sound of how awesome Palmar is" and lynch him. okay, I will write this down. | ||
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scum leans now: rels, geript, tw (no particular order) | ||
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His comments on me: On August 29 2016 14:45 geript wrote: This post is kinda towny. I wish the "why not?" weren't a question. The confident "come at me bro" aspect of it I like, but the question mark throws a damper on that somewhat. On August 29 2016 14:45 geript wrote: I really don't get this post. I feel like any decent player would've ignored this shit already regardless of alignment. On August 29 2016 14:45 geript wrote: useless passive rehash So where does the scum read on me even come from, the above doesn't seem very conclusive. It is kinda hidden in the parts where he talks about HF. On HF's read on me: On August 29 2016 14:45 geript wrote: I really like this. I liked it when I first saw it and I like it again now. Sadly I don't think it says anything about HF. Then he likes some on HF's posts: On August 29 2016 14:45 geript wrote: I like the followup though even if it is passive. Only mentions of HF, which lead to a TR on HF (after saying HF's case on me is NAI for HF) and apparently he is sheeping HF's case on me, cause I am not sure why he would think I am the most likely scum from the things he said on me? The more I look at geripts post the more inorganic and constructed I think it is. Might also be written in this hard to follow/read way to look like work has been done and making ppl less likely to want to read it. | ||
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On August 29 2016 22:09 Tictock wrote: This is a bit weaker than I was hoping for... at least i am honest. thoughts on palmar/geript/scott? currently thinking about scott. like at face value I dont dislike his posts, but vivi is right they go nowhere. and I dont know what to take from this post: On August 29 2016 10:48 scott31337 wrote: Please do, I'm sorry your mafia bud posted two letters and went to sleep and now you have to defend him (I'm joking...somewhat As in: i wouldnt expect scott to post that as either alignment. xD | ||
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You are agreeing with/sheeping my Palmar read? You think the geript thing is so bad, you don't even know what to say about that? No Idea what the thing about Scott is trying to tell me. | ||
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On August 30 2016 00:02 Tictock wrote: Maybe putting people with alignments helped? I felt up to the challenge of putting my thoughts/feels on people out in this way. I'm mostly happy with my results. remind me to set a new profile picture when I am at home later. Yes, makes more sense now. Could have used that time to do a bit more scumhunting though. xD | ||
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On August 30 2016 03:49 Holyflare wrote: Also someone explain to me how geript is leading the votes? There is a pretty big mismatch between his comments/reads/post by post analysis and his conclusions. Most notably on the RB/Palmar thing, also noticeable on the reads on you/me. As in: his conclusions make various degrees of not much to no sense given the comments he posted in the wall. So it all feels super unnatural/constructed/mismatched. | ||
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can someone double check the meta read of tw on tt? | ||
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On August 30 2016 03:04 Tumblewood wrote: intriguing tictock fiasco: makes this post in a scum game, and makes a similar post this game. sources await whether this is a thing that happens in his town games. wait? does he do the wall only as scum or not? your next post only talks about his more aggressive/attacking town style. | ||
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On August 30 2016 04:32 Holyflare wrote: But there's not a huge mismatch like you seem to say there is. He sheeps my posts, he dislikes you and votes you, town reads generally share your reads. Why is there a problem? You ever gonna elaborate on your tt town read after what I said btw? Yes, the mismatch regarding you and me is smaller than the ones regarding RB and Palmar. Still: he never says he sheeps you, he never really says explains why I am scum. I had to read his wall like three times to interpret it this way. So it is basically an assumption I and you made regarding his reads. So he has this huge wall that is super constructed/unnatural and forces me to interpret/guess/assume where his reads are at. Obj. gives him tone of wriggle room, too. I dont know if I elaborated on my tt town read after what you said. Let me look at my filter. | ||
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On August 30 2016 03:02 Holyflare wrote: In regards to Disformation, I'm not sure what to think of him at the moment but this post struck me as really dodgy. In the last game he played where he was mafia against me himself and shape pocketed me hard with town reads flung at me from every direction and "analysing" my posts d1 to correctly determine my alignment (my biggest weakness apparently) yet this game he's quite happy to town read someone doing the same thing to himself??? (Not to mention that I actually think TT is somewhat suspicious anyway) Honestly, I don't think disformation is really doing anything much this game, he posts a lot sure and he says some things that align with what's happening but there's subtle things like the above post which make me confused that he actually thinks these things if he's town. I also don't particularly think there's much original thought in his filter. Do you mean this? Then no I haven't. | ||
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I didnt dislike his entry posts, actually kinda liked the one of vivax, despite not being of the same opinion. saw him correctly meta me and thought I want to throw a super hard TR on him for that, be super obnoxious about that and see what happens. What I don't like now is that he basically has only 1 scum lean and a huge pool of nulls, but instead of going scum hunting he looks for pretty pictures for everyone. (think I mentioned this already). wouldn't call him scum for that alone though. now I am kinda wiating for someone to confirm or unconfirm TW's meta read on TT, since I don't trust TW, but am a lazy cunt. | ||
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On August 30 2016 05:09 Koshi wrote: So I spoilered everything terrible about this case. Seriously... I could take the exact same quotes and make it a case on why scott is town. He is lighthearted, enjoying the game and if you pay attention he keeps track of the game. Fact is that he instantly knew everybody already posted when TW complained how "bad" the game was. And he knew that because he already put down notes for everybody in a spreadsheet. How many mafia make spreadsheets with reads? The answer: + Show Spoiler + 0 Nothing in your case strikes me as mafia scott. Sure, some questions could also not be asked... But asking random questions gauging for reactions is called scumhunting and advancing the game. tldr: Scott is town and you are mafia or very bad at the game. I have seen 1 mafia trying to pull that spreadsheet thing. He was lynched when he wasnt unable to keep it and town realized he was just trying to cruise along based of the effort of doing that. | ||
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On August 30 2016 05:29 Holyflare wrote: Is this all you're gonna keep saying? D: No comment on Daner and the constant inconsistent approach to scum reading people? No update to your geript read since you vote him and he's posted clarification? No proper engagement with me? Are you scared this game since I'm posting actual cases now disfo? im tired not scared. <3 | ||
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i am starting to see koshis and your arguments though | ||
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On August 30 2016 05:29 Koshi wrote: mafia!TW found something he could put out there that didn't look super terrible and went for it. Where you convinced by the post? Do you scumread TT now? no i am still waiting for someone to verify / unverify whether the meta read is correct or not | ||
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I wasnt too impressed with geripts explanation when I first read it, too, which is why my vote still is on geript atm. But after reading koshi and HF again, taht actually makes more sense somehow. xD ##unvote back to dandel: on one hand stuborness can be town, on the other hand I got super tunneled in my first scum game, cause I wasnt able to find other ppl to scumread for a semi decent reason. So my conclusion on him: he probably has a alignment. | ||
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On August 30 2016 05:52 Holyflare wrote: Ok Dane, I have a task for you. Ignore what everyone says and go with your own flow. Perhaps read my filter and cases on tumble etc as a starting point and see what happens. The first step of mafia is to ignore what everyone else says and post whatever comes to your mind. No holding back if you have nothing to hide. i think i might be playing this game horribly wrong. | ||
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but what do we do about Rels? He is still on one post and that kinda pisses me off cause I know Rels can play a good game. | ||
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On August 30 2016 06:02 Race Bannon wrote: No you're not. You, I and everyone else know playing this game is all about telling the new guy how to play the game, and giggle maliciously to yourself when he listens to you so don't let HF win, unless you two are a team in which case you share the bragging rights equally. Are you .. in a team with HF .. playing ping pong with the newblood, hmm? If HF is town, yes, I am on the same team. =D | ||
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On August 30 2016 06:37 Tumblewood wrote: damn rels is playing now pssssssshhhhttt... dont scare him away, he hasnt actually posted content yet. im going to bed now. cu you beauties tomorrow. | ||
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Well... @Trfel: you are asking a lot of questions, were you able to reach some conclusions from the answers etc? | ||
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but I actually like his post just now. So I don't want to lynch him today. dunno for some reason I really like bringing up the votes even before the final vc. (I have a hard on for vca in general). also agree with geript on trfel. like asking questions is not bad and I dont think most of his questions are awful. but he has asked a lot and i have not seen much conclusion. will try to talk about vivi and scott in a bit. | ||
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that being said, Vivax is right, besides a cheeky/towny tone scott hasnt actually much in his filter. what I dislike is that vivax opens his case with the grack bit. Like why does he need the feel to look through gracks stuff to come to the conclusions that: - no own agenda, just reacting to townies and their topics. - no committment to what he said. - liked opportunities to start talking about hogwash. He could easily have made these points without going to grack. furthermore: the last time I saw the method of: "I'll look at a successful scummer and apply things he did to base/form a scumread on that" it was used by scum on town (scum!NM in NSM18). And by saying that I am using the same technique on Vivax, that vivax is using on scott. So can scott be scum? absolutely. i am just not feeling very strong about this due to the fact that vivax method of scum hunting is somewhat suspicious to me. I also dont like how vivax refuses to do anything else and does the guilt tripping/emotion thing to tt. that being said, vivi prolly town and I am just not really a fan of his playstyle. can vote scott, if I dont manage to come up with something I feel more confident about. | ||
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On August 30 2016 17:17 Trfel wrote: Okay, so not sure what geript's up to, but I'm going to bed. I'm not sure about geript, but I'll look at him more tomorrow. I want to lynch scott31337. He's been decently active, present, and conversational, but his reads don't go anywhere, it doesn't seem like he's been solving the game. This has been said before, I'll try to state it in a simple and clear way. He started by checking meta on Rels and comparing that to his opening in this game, and voted for Rels. Then he said that Race Bannon could be mafia for his post about PMs. Then he said that "maybe the others have a point" about disformation not having many reads, implying that he's getting a bit suspicious of disformation. Then he says that Palmar's townread on Race Bannon makes sense, but Race Bannon is still in his mafia pool. Then he says he's down for lynching Tumblewood as well. Then he votes for Tumblewood, with no explanation. And he still hasn't even said why he thinks Tumblewood is scum. Scott31337 has zero continuity to his reads at all. It doesn't look like he's actually trying to figure out the best lynch but rather saying whatever sounds towny in that instant. ##vote scott31337 See in comparison I like this case much more. simply because it is much easier to read, doesnt have the weird grack opening and is overall very concise. I also did actually miss that scott votes TW without any explanation. | ||
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tw doesn't really look like either his town or scum games imo. for tt i need to find a recent town game. there are similarities to his scum play in shin megami tensai, but those are rather shallow imo. like his entry does look similar and his lists look similar. | ||
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Like Rels joins the first decent wagon he seems and has little original thought, but I like how he responds to questions and how he explains his thoughts. Also points for admitting that his reads aren't original. So don't really want to lynch him atm. Will try to look at tt/tw filters this game again after the lunch break. | ||
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On August 30 2016 20:27 Koshi wrote: That and this TT is mafia because he is nice is the dumbest thing I ever read. fair enough. Also: I was skimming the QT tw mentioned in your 11) and fund jack. gonna vote tw | ||
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On August 30 2016 20:58 Vivax wrote: I like TT better now his later posts are pleasant to read which is nice so I can stop being salty. I still think he can be mafia but for now I have a reason not to further talk about him. I'm trying to meta TW now but I feel like I have a hard time doing it based on content. Only apparent thing so far is that as mafia he would come in every 3-4 hours on average and shoot a salvo of 4-5 posts. He feels much more present this game so idk. I am tempted to just not have a read on him, watch town mislynch on D1 (that'd be my best case cause then I wouldn't be the guy who was wrong + schadenfreude) and just be the baller who was on scott all along. I think that this is the scummiest thing to be posted as of yet this game. | ||
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On August 30 2016 21:18 Vivax wrote: I townread him cause he's really invested in the game. that doesnt make anyone town. | ||
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On August 30 2016 21:23 Vivax wrote: Currently doing a reread. Disfo I will laugh if Trfel caught you here, but I'll worry about it after scott died. I love how you are trying to discredit me before I even posted a case. afraid? | ||
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On August 30 2016 21:28 Vivax wrote: I'm pointing out how Trfel picked up on something really smart to pick up on that might just have been you tripping on your own read. If that's your definition of discrediting, fine. For me it's a reason to townread Truffle and something to use against you later if I feel confident that you're mafia. yes, yes it is. the moment I point out that you made a post that is impossible to come from town you run to find the first thing you can find that is remotely shady on me. | ||
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aka discrediting. | ||
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you literally just made a post that is IMPOSSIBLE to come from a town mindset. | ||
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On August 30 2016 21:27 Palmar wrote: TT is probably town. And Vivax should probably not be lynched almost solely the fact that he's actually playing the game, which he tends to avoid as mafia. But that's a shitty meta logic so don't count too much on it. explain how: On August 30 2016 21:01 disformation wrote: I think that this is the scummiest thing to be posted as of yet this game. can come from town. cause it can't. | ||
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On August 30 2016 21:58 Palmar wrote: That's relatively easy disformation. Just pretend that you're aware of the fact that Vivax is a self-righteous asshole, and read that sentence again. Voila. That sentence is objectively against town agenda, but it's also obviously so, which means Vivax was perfectly aware of how shit it was when he posted it. This means he either chose to act scummy as mafia, or he acted scummy as town because he didn't care. If anything I think the town scenario is more likely. that's not to say I'm going to 100% townread him, but I think we have better options today. + Show Spoiler + self-righteous assholes unite! aight. makes sense. still totally dont like his responses though. On August 30 2016 22:02 Palmar wrote: I also haven't dived into his filter. I just assumed that I wasn't going to lynch him after he wrote that long case on scott. I put him in the "meh at least he's trying, I'll worry about it later" category. Which tends to be a rather large category for me. As a complete sidenote, the things I'm good at in mafia are day 1 scumhunting on one hand, and organizing/leading town on the other. The only reason I'm good at day 1 scumhunting is because I'm not too worried about townreading mafia on day 1. My entire strategy is to slowly remove people from the pool of candidates I want to lynch, and then hopefully there's proportionally more mafia left in the pool than in the game itself, increasing my chance of hitting one. For reference, I'm probably not lynching Koshi, TT, disfo, Vivax, RB today. Almost all of them for effort or me agreeing with things they say, except RB. wouldnt recommend town reading me for effort. I am pretty tryhard as either alignment. still would like to hear a few opinions on Vivax. still willing to lynch tw though. | ||
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On August 30 2016 22:27 Vivax wrote: Retracting the TR on Trfel. While his pickup on the disfo oddity seemed good it happened during a spree of questions that makes it appear less original than I thought it was. Also don't understand why he's not joining the TW wagon having posted this earlier. Shouldn't he be like, remembering what he posted here and happy to jump on TW and digging this up again? the way I understood it is that he likes neither of tw and scott and thinks scott looks worse/is more likely scum? like he had two big posts about that ~5h ago. | ||
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On August 30 2016 22:57 disformation wrote: I think I had a town lean for shitty reasons on DanelerH, but I cant even remember what that shitty reason was. Oh nvm I kinda detracted that one already over the same post vivax was criticizing just now and put him in null. | ||
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On August 30 2016 23:11 Holyflare wrote: You guys should just read my filter instead of rehashing the same point I've already made. I'm really good at this game. Seen some bad stuff but at work so later. Cool. think i can look at your filter next. | ||
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Now that you mention it I remember scum!ritoky saying the same about town!disfoformation in NSM17. | ||
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and I like RB. | ||
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On August 31 2016 00:00 Vivax wrote: [...] TW even replied to Koshi's case "true, something something", which seems like he capitulated. [...] Can you fetch me that post? Cause to me it looks more like: On August 29 2016 08:05 Tumblewood wrote: btw Koshi your read sucks | ||
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On August 31 2016 00:19 Vivax wrote: Mistook Koshi for TT there, but whatevs, still reads like he stopped defending himself ah that is probably why i didnt see it. well his whole tone is kinda that defeated one as was pointed out a few times already. | ||
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read hfs filter. its kinda cool and i agree with a bunch of posts on tw and danelerh., bit it didnt give me the raging erection i was expecting so i still am hesitant to givr him a tr. maybe its on me and i shpuld consult my doctor about that, but its what i feel. | ||
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On August 31 2016 02:25 scott31337 wrote: I never called Palmar mafia - quite the contrary, I called it extremely suspicious that he was posting on a weekend. Are you just making shit up to suit your agenda now? what else would you mean with suspicious? "Palmar is posting on a weekend, I have the suspicion that his family is visiting someone and therefore he has more time to play mafia!" | ||
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On August 31 2016 02:40 Rels wrote: So I'm seeing Scott is still making fixed. | ||
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hm. On August 30 2016 05:47 scott31337 wrote: I wasn't a fan of this either - I didn't like the geript case all that much to be honest. He seems a bit scared to post, you know what I mean? I'm down for lynching Tumble as well - Rels WTF you at?!? Yo scott what happened? | ||
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On August 31 2016 03:52 Vivax wrote: Dunno if I'll be back for EoD, I'm heading out soon with a few peeps, don't plan on being out so I'll be back at midnight in the worst case scenario. Remaining on scott tho. If you guys wanna lynch Tumble you can go ahead, I still have my doubts about him compared to scott. uh. dl is in 2h7mins fyi fyi | ||
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On August 31 2016 04:03 scott31337 wrote: It has to do with this posting I read yesterday - he did his "scroll through and point out" thing - but I have no idea where he stands of who he wants to lynch. I don't want to quote everything, but there's three townreads (HF, vivax, Koshi) and he likes your read progression - does he Scumread RB? Like I have no clue besides a few town reads where he stands. He'd be at the bottom of the three I listed. fair enough. had a similar feeling after rereading that post. like on face value i like the reads, but despite feeling better about me, he afk parks his vote on me and like 0 scum reads. yeah, I think I don't want to lynch scott today. tumble or geript for me. | ||
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On August 31 2016 04:17 DanelerH wrote: That's what I thought. I'm starting to become tempted to lynch Scott. You don't know where xe stands? I think the voting thread makes it quite obvious. Geript plans on lynching Disformation. On August 30 2016 16:44 geript wrote: [...] Disinformation... The funny thing about him is that I really like this post like there comes a point when you keep staring at and thinking about something so much that everything just gets twisted and biased. He just entirely feels like whatever he's currently looking at gets him confirmation biased about. [...] On August 30 2016 16:46 geript wrote: Expanding on disinformation. Like there's a bunch of reasons to dislike his filter, flip flopping, going with the current, etc. it just feels really natural, especially his progression on my post. Yeah, I always try to lynch the ppl I am kinda town reading. | ||
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On August 31 2016 04:29 disformation wrote: geripts vote on me is from his initial scum read on me. he just didnt unvote after his last set of reads. not saying that this is totally cool, but I feel scotts last post was overstating/misrepresenting things a little. | ||
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On August 31 2016 04:46 Tumblewood wrote: I feel like I had this great defense that made me look all townie, and then everyone except palmar was more comfortable ignoring it and pretending it doesn't matter how on earth does this seem similar to my scum games which defense? did skim your filter and found nothing | ||
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On August 31 2016 04:56 Tictock wrote: Just to be clear, why did you lose your earlier townread on me? On August 30 2016 05:03 disformation wrote: so if you really want to know @ TT: I didnt dislike his entry posts, actually kinda liked the one of vivax, despite not being of the same opinion. saw him correctly meta me and thought I want to throw a super hard TR on him for that, be super obnoxious about that and see what happens. What I don't like now is that he basically has only 1 scum lean and a huge pool of nulls, but instead of going scum hunting he looks for pretty pictures for everyone. (think I mentioned this already). wouldn't call him scum for that alone though. now I am kinda wiating for someone to confirm or unconfirm TW's meta read on TT, since I don't trust TW, but am a lazy cunt. here i think, not sure though, filter is too long to figure that out or remember what I posted. | ||
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dunno not terribly feeling like lynching him either... -.- | ||
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where are rels, hf, geript, palmar, koshi, rb, danelerh, vivi? well okay... vivi posted an excuse... | ||
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On August 31 2016 05:12 Koshi wrote: oh deadline is in 50 mins indeed. Thought it was in 2 hours. oh... f**k. i can already see half the ppl missing coming in like 1h late -.- why u no read op ppl? | ||
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On August 31 2016 05:16 Tictock wrote: What about his responses make you think he's town? Honestly at this point I feel like he just came back and started defending himself, but really has nothing to add. Hell the fact that he's coping out and voting Scott here and totally dropping the push on me really makes me want to lynch him. his vote is still on geript. he will have to vote scott for survival which is perfectly nai. | ||
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On August 31 2016 05:21 Race Bannon wrote: Who except Trfel and Vivax made a case against scott? Can yoube persuaded to help nudge along a Koshi or Vivax choochoo? uh dunno? dont think so | ||
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currently trying to explore my feels about dane shennanies | ||
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My* he had a typo. Also took me 2 mins to figure that out. =D | ||
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do we even have enough manpower to get the dane thing happen? I dont want to accidently cause geript or scott to die | ||
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On August 31 2016 05:34 Koshi wrote: Reread TW his last 2 pages and he is giving us nothing... He just plays on emotions. Trying to survive. eh right, he couldnt even be arsed to link or quote me his great defense. nvm | ||
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On August 31 2016 05:37 geript wrote: I'm giving meds in between reading, can you give me like a point by point on why you think he's scum. so I can think about it while I filter him. hfs earlyish case on tw: On August 30 2016 02:54 Holyflare wrote: I'm also more tempted to lynch Tumble because I don't remember him ever playing this badly as town (ignore last game since that was a wtf is going on game), it looks more like he's struggling to fit in at all and can't think of stuff to post: ^ first instance of a read that says absolutely nothing and then gives a free town read to vivax based on something that didn't even happen, feels forced to give a read at that moment followed by posts that just involve talking to people aka nothingness conversation: + Show Spoiler + On August 29 2016 10:48 Tumblewood wrote: yo daneler, you can just call everyone here "he". the effort is in good will, but it's really not necessary here. On August 29 2016 10:52 Tumblewood wrote: that reminds me, daneler, you're not going to get very far reading people for whether their posts are "contributive". this is the most common newbie mistake I see; it seems natural that town would want to contribute and scum wouldn't want to help town, but more often than not that reasoning will lead you astray. try evaluating posters' mindsets or look for inconsistencies. ^ this guy is against gender integration On August 29 2016 10:59 Tumblewood wrote: wow this is a bad game even by my low standards. can someone carry me On August 29 2016 11:42 Tumblewood wrote: oh like I've been unusually lazy and bad god there's so many i don't even want to quote them all Anyway, following his crappy posts of nothingness that don't speak about anything to do with the game he has random moments of throwing around one liner posts of a read that have no explanation or follow up whatsoever: his only read of substance is his RB read which is very surface level anyway and not exactly a great read (also ignores what everyone was talking about with regards to RB and his pm crap) and this Scott read which is solely based on activity.... his entire filter is surface level blending dude is mafia koshis lengthy and more recent case: On August 30 2016 19:12 Koshi wrote: Why tumble is mafia: 1) Worst entrance post of all: 2) Random reads that don't achieve anything. Stuff like this never has even a chance to advance the game: 3) When RB calls us both mafia he goes "nha we are not both mafia". But when HF or myself calls TW mafia he ignores us. This is mafia mindset. 4) What read? This implies that he reads me town. 5) mafia mindset. Lost on what to do. 6) Found something to do. It is terrible. But sure, he has scott mafia now? 7) random nothingness that will not advance the thread ever. 8) scott town? 9) I'll add that he made 4 posts about why TT is mafia. (spoiler: TT is 100% town) 10) I am town? 11) What is this even? There is a chance Rels comes in the thread posts things and then is maybe mafia? Good plan. How does this advance scumhunting or advance the thread? It is just fluff that makes it look like TW actually does something when he is not doing anything. 12) Nope I am mafia. So every post he makes I am town, even pleads to me to stop my tunnel. And then this. 13) Remember how scott was town for TW? 14) Nope he conveniently became mafia. Lynch Tumblewood. Lynch mafia. | ||
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Rels what the fuck happened man, you used to be super good at the game? | ||
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rels also tried to vote geript, but that vote was invalid. interesting that nearly everyone on the tw train switched. big question now is how many scummers are on Rels. I'd say 1-2? so I guess tomorrow is time to figure out who vote who cause what reason. note how RB wasted his vote | ||
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On August 31 2016 06:17 Trfel wrote: Rels played a decent game. no he didnt play this game and I hope he doesnt sign up when he has that little time to play | ||
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As in both wagons were town. | ||
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with scott i am not 100% of the vote alone. but vca would suggest on a first view that tw is more unlikely to be scum and scott is more likely to be scum. so yeah, scott/TT/Palmar looks like it will flip a lot of red | ||
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but its late for me and I have to gtf to bed. hope i can get some shit done tomorrow. | ||
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remember that gif of that one guy (kramer from seinfeld i think) looks around spooked and confused and gtfos? csn you post it again? so you are saying palmar+tt+1 of dane or tt? why easing up on tt like his vote looks horrible? | ||
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which also makes scott more likely to be scum. unless literally noone cared about the lynch. but need to do some filtering for that. and really go to bed noe | ||
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On August 31 2016 16:08 Trfel wrote: Hey disformation, when you wake up, I'm having trouble understanding this wagon analysis. Is it to do with how the Tumblewood wagon built? Because I would think that if a bunch of people switch off of a wagon quickly, it's more likely for that wagon to be on mafia, right? omw to work. but yes basically. as far as i remember tw wagon build kinda steadily, with only a few ppl waffly on geript and like 2-3 on scott. wasnt a 100% slamdunk wagon though so i neef to check tinings and votes | ||
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maybe took to long to write that damb thing? no clue of how to read him gor that crsp. i do like your othrr points on him though | ||
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On August 31 2016 16:31 disformation wrote: omw to work. but yes basically. as far as i remember tw wagon build kinda steadily, with only a few ppl waffly on geript and like 2-3 on scott. wasnt a 100% slamdunk wagon though so i neef to check tinings and votes oh nearly forgot the part: ppl switching quickly between two wagons can also mean both are town. not 100% sure on this stuff as I need to do some actual work on this. this being said I am now at work, so I am not sure when I can do all that filtering, but I will do stuff b4 n1 is over. | ||
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town: trfel hf geript vivi something in between null and town: koshi cant read: rb scum lean: dane tt palmar scott | ||
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On August 31 2016 17:44 Race Bannon wrote: Oh let's argue! Argue argue argue. Bannon wants argue, Now! As soon as I confront you, you bail. Like Houdini maybe you should have comforted him instead. | ||
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like scott was the leading wagon for a moment, so he votes rels to protect scott, cause he likes scott more. the timing with the vote is shitty, but on the other hand like no one did unvote rels, so I wouldnt single plammar out. or in the very least his vote stuff is not as bad as TTs imo. | ||
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On September 01 2016 00:23 Vivax wrote: The worst I found is this. Geript goes WTF on TW, then ends up calling TT's reason to TR somebody terrible. No mention of TW at all here. His comment wasn't as WTF as it looks to be, it's rather ignored to jump to what TT said. Yet geript somehow ends up putting TW as mafia. Later asks somebody to give him a summary for why TW is mafia when he's already supposed to have his own. Can't find any besides an earlier mention of minus points for TW refusing to explain Palmar suspicion. Main point still is that geript had TW as scum for unclear reasons earlier, which he completely forgot around EoD when he wasted his vote on Danieler when he could have at least lynched scott for giving him the heebiejeebies. his last stance on tw b4 the lynch was: On August 31 2016 05:24 geript wrote: I've been thinking about Palmar a lot while doing other things. I'm really tempted to case him but then when I organize my thoughts it comes down to little stuff that I don't like. I just don't feel in any way confident about reading him. Like the best reasons to call him scum is basically how differently he reads me in comparison to you and Koshi and his not wanting to lynch Trfel to potentially confirm himself as town. The first is ok, the second is like a Palmar wifom game. TBH, I'm most interested in lynching Dane right now. I don't hate the TW stuff, but it doesn't make me very hard. his last stance on tw was this: On August 30 2016 17:33 geript wrote: Dane's kinda an odd duck. Everything is black and white as if he types sitting in proper posture. He just doesn't look comfy; being new, I'm guessing, it's a bit understandable. It's very odd to me that his opinions are so polarized while not coming across as confident. Idk about him, but I think he's the best fall back option available. We're not likely to get any better info or post on him, so just lynch him if there's not a better target. I do not like him throwing his vote at dane, when it was 5-4 between scott and tw. I also do not like you misrepresenting him super hard, when he only is on 2 pages on filter and this stuff is super easy to see. | ||
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why is vivax only going after easy targets? scott is know to get misslyched a ton (no offense) and geript has like no time to play. | ||
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On September 01 2016 00:35 Vivax wrote: Ad geript quote 1: Why is he making everything dependent on what others wrote about TW if he scumread him all by himself earlier?Shouldn't he have a hard on on TW already? Ad geript quote 2: What's telling you that he's talking about TW in a post in which he's clearly talking about TW? 1: not necessary. that read was super old and he wasn't in thread for ages. though I grant, that is something I would like geript to explain himself. 2: On September 01 2016 00:30 disformation wrote: second tw = dane | ||
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On September 01 2016 00:45 Vivax wrote: And where in all of this I'm misrepresenting geript? Why are you throwing scum at me for making inquiries? I am throwing scum at you for HOW you make the inquiries. And you were ignoring a) the latest stuff geript posted b4 the deadline/lynch and b) the possibility that his reads have changed because you pulled out some really old stuff | ||
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but you are ignoring some stuff geript posted, aka cherry picking | ||
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On September 01 2016 00:53 Vivax wrote: Yes I'm picking stuff that would be an argument for him being scum. If you think there's other stuff that makes him town then feel free to present it, but apparently you're just as clueless as I am about his read on TW, so your argument is nil. It's not cherrypicking when I look for scummy stuff in people's filters. What are you doing disfo? no that is scummy. town looks at shit from different angles. which incidentally is why I waffle like a mofo as town (sry for the #selfmeta). all you are doing is looking for things that further your narrative or your agenda. as you just admitted. and i am apparently wasting my time arguing with you. also vca 5/11 done. | ||
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On September 01 2016 01:05 Vivax wrote: What would my agenda be? Finding mafia? Do you see any other reason for me posting the most at night looking outside of the scumreads I claimed to have earlier other than to look at stuff from different angles? All I could do is rehash how scott is mafia (which btw I still think is likely), pointing out how his wagon was clearly not one of the wagons mafia wanted to pursue, a flipped townie being on it further cementing this version. Yet I'm here diving geript's filter. Then you appear, tell me that it's cherrypicking and misrepresenting, but clearly have no better argument on reading geript, make a mistake in the process (mistaking danieler for TW), admit that geript's read on TW needs clarification, proving all your points to be wrong. Prompted to explain why geript is town (you think I'm misrepresenting him right?) you just repeat how I'm mafia and run away with the tail between your legs and an excuse to not further engage in discussion and explain things. Maybe you are mafia after all. finding easy misslynches and looking like you are doing work. WIFOM. cool so did I, thats why I found your omission. WOW THAT MISTAKE IS CLEARLY MAKING ME SCUM also you are clearly trying to piss me off, what is another scum strat. it is also working. | ||
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has already been questioned and pressured about his vote. if scum not for his vote. vote suspiciousness: low tw: the voting itself is fine. votes scott to save himself and then switches to rels cause he didn't think scott is scum. though this statement is very waffly: On August 31 2016 05:50 Tumblewood wrote: I don't even think Scott and geript are scum anymore well, by game logic I think one of them has to be Also has weird reads around eod, so he really needs to step it up D2. vote suspiciousness: low-medium koshi really likes the tw lynch. switches after rels dun goofed. think koshis reactions are genuine and indicate he cared about the lynch. he also was on Rels earlier D1. So I think this looks okay. vote suspiciousness: low-medium vivi leads scott lynch all day. wasnt around at eod. so far looks perfectly fine and reasonable, but this post: On August 31 2016 00:02 Vivax wrote: Absolutely I believe my case was good, I also believe the arguments on TW are good. I am just too proud to admit it and switch my vote, which won't be necessary cause I'm fairly sure mafia is getting trashed. super confuses me. despite leading the scott wagon all day and not buckling with his vote he is a bit like "oh nah, I dont really care which one of the two gets lynchend." Dunno. I would have expected him to care a bit more about scott? Or even if you scumread both, push a bit for the one who you think has the hgher chance to flip scum? Well, he never unvoted scott, but it kinda gets my paranoia going. vote suspiciousness: medium geript had his long stretch of voting me despite giving me a bunch of town points in his latest batch. and then votes dane? well it is in line with him having not much scum reads and these posts: On August 30 2016 17:33 geript wrote: Dane's kinda an odd duck. Everything is black and white as if he types sitting in proper posture. He just doesn't look comfy; being new, I'm guessing, it's a bit understandable. It's very odd to me that his opinions are so polarized while not coming across as confident. Idk about him, but I think he's the best fall back option available. We're not likely to get any better info or post on him, so just lynch him if there's not a better target. On August 31 2016 05:24 geript wrote: I've been thinking about Palmar a lot while doing other things. I'm really tempted to case him but then when I organize my thoughts it comes down to little stuff that I don't like. I just don't feel in any way confident about reading him. Like the best reasons to call him scum is basically how differently he reads me in comparison to you and Koshi and his not wanting to lynch Trfel to potentially confirm himself as town. The first is ok, the second is like a Palmar wifom game. TBH, I'm most interested in lynching Dane right now. I don't hate the TW stuff, but it doesn't make me very hard. and I guess some ppl were considering dane sheannanies, but still feels a bit odd, to throw out a vote like this, when it is really close between TW and scott at the time. That was the VC right before geripts vote:+ Show Spoiler + On August 31 2016 05:46 beentheredonethat wrote: Day 1: Vote Count #7 ![[image loading]](https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/66998607.jpg) Votes:
Not voting: - Currently, Tumblewood is set to be lynched. Remember, voting is mandatory. Please vote in the voting thread. If the vote count is not accurate or contains errors, please PM a host. Day 1 will end in (deadline being Tuesday, Aug 30 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)). still going to keep it at a medium, cause it lines up with his thought progression and he legit seems to be screwed on time. vote suspiciousness: medium | ||
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On September 01 2016 01:18 Vivax wrote: Disfo why is geript an easy mislynch? cause he apparently has like 0 time to play? | ||
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On September 01 2016 01:20 Vivax wrote: But why don't you consider that he might be mafia? DO. YOU. EVEN. FUCKING. READ. MY. FUCKING. POSTS?! | ||
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On September 01 2016 00:34 disformation wrote: random tinfoil: why is vivax only going after easy targets? scott is know to get misslyched a ton (no offense) and geript has like no time to play. going home and stepping away from the pc. | ||
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On September 01 2016 01:26 Vivax wrote: I can hardly be misrepresenting someone who could be scum with arguments you weren't able to invalidate. I can't look for easy mislynches on someone who you claimed isn't necessarily a mislynch. Moral of the story: You're full of shit disfo yes you can and you do! :D | ||
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MOST IMPORTANT AND BESTEST POST IN THREAD RACE BANON VCA EDITION starts of with this inovativ team. On August 29 2016 07:14 Race Bannon wrote: Tumblewood, Koshi. for me. but does not feel confident enough to vote either. next up are HF and me as an implied scum read here: On August 30 2016 06:02 Race Bannon wrote: No you're not. You, I and everyone else know playing this game is all about telling the new guy how to play the game, and giggle maliciously to yourself when he listens to you so don't let HF win, unless you two are a team in which case you share the bragging rights equally. Are you .. in a team with HF .. playing ping pong with the newblood, hmm? Again: he votes neither. Now he goes back to koshi with the best read in thread: On August 30 2016 06:08 Race Bannon wrote: Ok, I've had it with the references to that game. vote: Koshi Unfortunately his vote is not counted, cause formatting. Next he goes to this amazing team: On August 30 2016 17:20 Race Bannon wrote: Trfel scott scumbuds Again he votes neither! Then he scumreads vivax and actually manages to get his formatting right: On August 30 2016 23:21 Race Bannon wrote: Rereading the thread now, I'm at #180; having fun. As soon as I get bored I'll pause to post some reads. Expect awesomeness. Ok, I've decided not to post the above, am writing this instead and plan to copy it and keep reading and adding. When I will eventually paste and post, it will look and feel like this giant snowball of scumbarelaying nightmare for scum. And then I'll vote scum, superlatively formatted. This. I expect scum to slip when they're being questioned about a post, as opposed to during the initial post. In this case I think Vivax gave himself away when he failed to censor out the wording which indicates a conspiratorial approach to this conversation. He says "other reasons", as if fostering an air of mystery around the faction which he is a part of, whereas town would ask "is he more protective of Rels because of mafia reasons". ##vote: Vivax If Vivax's initial platform for the case on scott (what grack did as scum in 72h) has merit, then I'm entitled to compare Palmar's post with Rels' (also endgaming scum), where he said they should never make use of the quicklynch mechanic. It's in the ballpark of trying to establish an early authoritatively presence in terms of agenda. But frankly I don't think it has merit, for one because I believe Vivax is scum. Meta is very unreliable as base for a case, but in this case it's not even the meta of the suspect, rather some random meta from a recent game; so that's double trouble. Furthermore I'd expect a disciplined townie, which I think Vivax is judging by how he kept his cool during LightningStrike's vulgar, verbal assault on him in Onegu I game, I expect him to let the case speak for itself, instead of showing aggressive bullying tactics, to promote its apparent quality, I believe for the sake of looking townie because emotions are townread more often than not. And again, I feel like he grounded his case on someone else's meta, so objectively speaking it's not going to fly as a real case. If anything I think people make a conscious habbit of rehashing their exact behavioral pattern from their towngames, as scum, in games where the same players are present. So I remember Koshi bringing up the exact same argument about me not having the balls to do whatever I did in my scumgame. Therefore this looks more like a manipulation designed specifically for me to get a meta townread on him, bearing in mind that we've interacted enough for him to catch and try to anchor my attention in this preconceived way. The fact that he voiced and kept claiming suspicion against me, for no reason, speaks for this as well. Anyone who says I'm scummy looks very bad, but for some reason geript is getting more votes, despite Koshi being the scummier of the two from this perspective. The thing about geript is .. to use Koshi's attempt at alignment indication .. would scum geript say he agrees with Palmar and then scumread me like a boss anyway? I think not, and lynching geript today could mean lynching a valuable, methodical asset to town, and one of the biggest threats to scum domination. Do not! I repeat, no lyncherinho geript today.. pl0x I could've said this as vt, pr, scum or sk.. I repeat, it was a wifom reaction test. No. Turn around, walk a few steps and stay put at maybe. This is my Koshi & Vivax are scum addendum. Don't lynch disfo, Holyflare, geript today. On August 30 2016 23:36 Race Bannon wrote: It's a tone read, and easily mistakable for semantic nitpicking. But there is substance behind it, in terms of everything coming together in a way that exposes Vivax as a dirty little scumfuck. On August 30 2016 23:57 Race Bannon wrote: It would make sense for you to say that, if your case was good. Do you believe your case was good? I'm asking because I believe that scumhunting is about forcing scum into a corner where they have to lie, and hope that I can tell when that happens. On August 31 2016 00:08 Race Bannon wrote: 1. It was fairly early and scott hasn't posted enough for a good case. 2. A meta argument stemming from someone other than the person being cased has no place in the case, no prominent place, no less prominent place, no place.(period) You're theorzing scum triangle constellations already? Where does this hubris stem from. The impression I got from Palmar is that he does exactly this: migrate from one place to another, seemingly caring only about the size of wagons for pressure. On August 31 2016 02:57 Race Bannon wrote: Whatever he said might have come from both alignments, maybe even more so from scum. Take my newbie game for instance where artanis fostered this tactic of interacting with his buddies as much as possible, which resulted in ripples of unneeded complication as I was defending his attacks, and skated to victory because the other suspicious guy had little to no interaction with him. Also any case PR is good PR, and inprints into people minds that you are lynchable today. That said, I haven't re-read that part yet, so I might be trippin', but consider the following quote again, when weighing the odds of them being scum together: It was part of a sequence of posts made in a short timeframe, he litterally voted .. made that post a minute later, then voted someone else, so that makes it an opportune time to slip, lol. It boils down to this: how can he warrant using vivax's alignment to incriminate Tumble here, hmm? Even if it's sort of a transition to disformation, that's not important. He's basically scumclaiming for both him and vivax. But instead of pushing for the lynch of his #1 scum read or to move his vote to a relevant wagon, he vanishes EoD to type up this post: On August 31 2016 06:00 Race Bannon wrote: There's something I noticed about myself. I fucking hate it when the acting is so bad that I'm constantly being reminded of how it's a movie I'm watching. Either the acting, sometimes the casting irrevocably dooms that department entirely, or the camera keeps shaking stupidly erratic, especially when 3d, my word. Is it so hard to empathize with the viewer experience and just take Alejandro Inarritu's success as a hint? FFS, and the mobile phones.. the stupid kids with their availability issues. The same goes for people breaking the reading experience in forum mafia. When I'm hosting I'll totally modkill, and taste the full flavor of the subsequent bitch-fest and enjoy it to the fullest, when someone looses even a coherent sentence about anything other than game-relevant material, except material used for jokes or whatever. I vehemently denounce this entitlement of a player to think they can bring into this picture their real life persona, what they're doing or would like to do outside of this game.. who the fuck wants to see a player as anything other than the cog in the machinery. Random people .. evoking contexts like wht they eat, where they drive, dota and wow .. what? Why is this relevant to my experience? I am well advised to decide that scum could just as well lie about being unavailable and some such, so where's the fucking point of interluding the flow of relevant conversation, just to "announce" I'll want to play dota .. like "wrap this up people, I got somewhere to be". No you don't you piece of shit. You don't exist outside the context of this game, for anyone inside this game. .. For real. Sry, meant to play but had to get this off my chest. So his vote stands out like a sore thumb and is definitely anti-town in nature and he could very well be scum for that vote. As scum is more likely to leave their votes on non-relevant wagons. As I pointed out he was calling TW and Scott scum at one point in his filter, yet he never joins the wagon on one of them. Was he soft bussing one of them? vote suspiciousness: high Actual conclusion + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Starts out with a fresh scum read on Koshi: On August 29 2016 10:10 DanelerH wrote: I don't know if this is how xe normally plays, but I am currently suspicious of Koshi. Out of 27 posts so far, 16 of them were irrelevant and uncontributive. Out of the 11 that are a bit more contributive, two of them are cause for immediate suspicion: + Show Spoiler + On August 29 2016 07:02 Koshi wrote: If anybody is interested. I don't think Tfrel has the balls to come out and claim scum. He was superscared last game as mafia. I would be VERY surprised if he turned that around so fast. Almost 100% lock town tbh. Five of them are voting for Tumblewood without adding anything: + Show Spoiler + On August 29 2016 07:13 Koshi wrote: Tumblewood/Rels prime suspects. On August 29 2016 07:15 Koshi wrote: I don't like the read. Seems forced. Face value read. On August 29 2016 07:17 Koshi wrote: Maybe that isn't the best explanation but you just gotta believe. On August 29 2016 07:20 Koshi wrote: Ohh I know it: He makes a really forced read on Tfrel and then adds "oh and Vivax is town" to get away with the forced read and get some extra cred. After xyr first vote, xe almost immediately switches to someone else, then back to the first vote: + Show Spoiler + On August 29 2016 07:52 Koshi wrote: Going to vote Tumblewood. If he is mafia I am confirmed greatest player alive. ##unvote ##vote Tumblewood On August 29 2016 07:59 Koshi wrote: ##unvote ##vote disformation Goddamn. I had spidersenses going off on one of those posts as well but ignored them. But I like that read even more than mine. On August 29 2016 08:02 Koshi wrote: ##unvote ##Tumblewood I am going to stick with my own read. Maybe I like it a bit more after all. Even though that were some superpoor reads from disfo. ##vote Koshi Also votes. I really liked this start. Backs off when told that this is just koshis meta. which I also liked. On August 29 2016 10:36 DanelerH wrote: Mainly because I had thought Koshi was suspicious, so I wanted to bring this to light. Since it turns out that this is Koshi's normal playstyle, I'll be looking into someone else. Then a pretty stale/unoriginal sheep on geript: On August 30 2016 00:50 DanelerH wrote: Rels certainly seems suspicious for having ony said "yo", then disappearing, but I don't think we have enough information to lynch him. I'm more interested in Geript right now. Other than the posts in the spoiler below, his strange reads are pretty much all he's said. It would be one thing if they were ordered by person, then gives an alignment after each one, but they're ordered by timestamp, which makes them seem a lot less coherent. As Palmar pointed out, there is also a pretty blatant contradiction in his read on Race Bannon. Because of this, I think I'm going to vote for Geript, as well. + Show Spoiler + On August 29 2016 10:39 geript wrote: This is the most interesting post so far. I'm surprised Palmar doesn't want to lynch Trfel; usually, he'd be more than happy to flip someone he doesn't think is town in hopes to confirm himself. On August 29 2016 10:54 geript wrote: I do, but I'm at work. You'll get them later tonight. ##vote Geript Then becomes suspicious of scott: On August 31 2016 04:17 DanelerH wrote: That's what I thought. I'm starting to become tempted to lynch Scott. You don't know where xe stands? I think the voting thread makes it quite obvious. Geript plans on lynching Disformation. On August 31 2016 05:44 DanelerH wrote: There actually is a reason for that. I was going back over everyone's filters and found a few questions I wanted to ask. In each case, there was an answer they could have given that would have directly contradicted something that they said around the post I was quoting. Unfortunately, that ended up being fruitless. Luckily, I noticed Scott had disagreed with lynching Geript, despite having listed xym in the list of people to lynch. Because of this, I'm going to change my vote to Scott. ##vote Scott He also had a few interactions/questions with TW and I could see him not wanting to vote TW of the answers. Unfortunately he wasnt very expressive on his actual TW read. But from a point of reasoning, I am actually kinda cool with this stuff. Thing that kinda bothers me though:
Looking at that. From the distribution of votes alone I would say there are 3 possibilities: a) 1 scum on Rels, 1 scum on scott, 1 scum off wagon b) 2 scum Rels, 1 scum scott c) 1 scum Rels, 2 scum off wagon d) 2 scum Rels, 1 scum off wagon I don't think 2 scum would be on scott here. If scott is scum, which is not that unlikely, that would further point to a world where 0 scum are on scott, since both the TW and the Rels wagon where fairly easy to hop onto. Like with this votecount: On August 31 2016 05:46 beentheredonethat wrote: Day 1: Vote Count #7 Votes:
Not voting: - Currently, Tumblewood is set to be lynched. Remember, voting is mandatory. Please vote in the voting thread. If the vote count is not accurate or contains errors, please PM a host. Day 1 will end in (deadline being Tuesday, Aug 30 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)). I dont think scumbuddies would be voting scott. If scott is scum. So dane looks okay from vca imo. If scott is scum he looks a lot better. On the other hand: noone from the scott train switched to rels. So if like all wagons are town, this might point to scum, cause scum might have been too careful with switching, since they dont want to look bad. you know like scott who got stranded on his tw vote. | ||
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On September 01 2016 04:00 scott31337 wrote: LOL Nice one Race. Getting swamped with a site crapping out - but I'm sort of around. i hope you have some nice boots and something against the smell. | ||
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Sry, Town. That was incredible incredible stupid of me. Screw you Vivax. | ||
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no wonder I was having really hard trouble deciding who to sheep D1. ALL YA FUCKERS WHERE SCUM! =D | ||
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Claiming my role in this completely unnecessary manner was an incredible stupid move. Probably the worst I could have done as cop. Even though apparently scum would have shot me N1 anyway, my claim denied town information regarding the N1 shot, so I take responsibility for this loss. Also sry btdt (and the rest of the host crew) for pulling this shit in your first game, when you clearly put a lot of effort in the flavour and everything. I am at a point were I feel I take this game way too serious. My situation in this game had me stressed out to no end and Vivi managed to get me so mad, that I was violently shaking IRL to a point were I was not able to properly hold my phone. Kinda surprised I managed to actually post in that state. So I will take a break from actually playing games until I feel I am calmed down and relaxed enough to not see the game as my first job. Prolly will obswarrior and co-host a bit. | ||
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First: I played two very tryhard games before this one and was kinda exhausted from that. I was hoping this game would be a bit more chill, but then I rolled cop. Not wanting to get bluesniped for sandbagging, I kept up my tryhardiness. Second: After Rels flipped D1, I kinda felt the weight of the whole game on my shoulders as I felt my checks would be critical to save town. Especially since the reads where all over the place and I felt like I had no idea what was going on. So I was agonizing over who to check all day. Third: I get into an argument with Vivi, which is kinda annoying at the start cause cause he is either a blockhead, or doesn't get my point, or is scum or a combination of those things. Which is okay. Then he posts this: On September 01 2016 00:53 Vivax wrote: [...] What are you doing disfo? And to me that felt like a really bad insult at that time. Like nearly everything else would have not gotten me so mad. "Your reads are horseshit go away" - Fine he is right, my D1 reads are horseshit most of the time. That is why I sheep D1. "<insert mom joke here>" - <insert mom joke here> "<insert insult that is not enough to get him modkilled>" - would have probably been able to walk away from that "<insert insult that is enough to get him modkilled>" - k, cu Again what I am trying say here is that I would have been okay with a multitude of different wordings of that. But I took What are you doing disfo? as a really underhanded and thinly veiled way of saying that I didn't do jack this game. Which got me incredibly fucking mad, I would have understood a criticism to the quality of my posts, but not this underhanded way of accusing me of doing jack all when I am clearly busting my ass to try and save this game to an extend where it negatively effects my productivity at work and my sleep. And at that point I was already on full tilt and not thinking. I think I tried to step back once or twice, but I was so damn angry I just kept on coming right back. So when he also kept on going I just reached the point where I was like "fuck it, solve the game yourself" | ||
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Best of Holyflare feat. Koshi On September 02 2016 03:34 Holyflare wrote: This game became officially boring. After shooting the guy with the highest activity and postcount. Well played. On September 02 2016 03:43 Holyflare wrote: I'm so bored in fact that I'm reading my old filters. I'm really good at this game. I'm actually surprised this game had more cases in but people still kind of play the same way and it's still me and vivax :D Complaining about there being no cases, while voting Palmar together with 3 other ppl for no apparent reason. Well played. Also: shoutout to town doing jack. Well played. Also apparently that was a bus. Well played. On September 01 2016 09:06 Holyflare wrote: Also super wifom but I don't think the mafia team may be comprised of very good/active people because that disfo cop claim looked really fake to me and I'm not dead (but surprise surprise palmar is pushing me) Also super wifom, but scum is so active that town has 0 thread presence with disfo gone. Well played. On September 01 2016 18:45 Holyflare wrote: Why hasn't scott posted his spreadsheets then? It's not me bringing this information up because everybody is saying it. I haven't seen a spreadsheet. Have you seen a spreadsheet? Why doesn't he show his spreadsheet? And you know what? I wish he would. Because I think it's a terrible pal that's hanging over him. He should show his spreadsheet. It’s hard to believe he doesn’t produce his spreadsheet if he has one; it would be so easy to do. I've been told that it's not there or it doesn't exist. And if that's the case it's a big problem. There's no spreadsheet! On August 30 2016 05:47 Koshi wrote: When I said you were the best mafia player I also meant were the best mafia player. Proof: My last mafia game. On August 30 2016 05:49 Holyflare wrote: Come back to me when you win a game with a red check on you when the cop flipped three cycles ago koshi. well played. | ||
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On September 06 2016 06:14 Damdred wrote: Disfo bud don't let it get to you we all have been there tbh, as much as I love vivax (which I do) sometimes he is a hard pill to swallow. Take you a short break and then come play some fun games XD aw <3 yeah don't worry. I am probably fine if I dont all out tryhard like three games back to back. and learn to chill a bit, esp. when I get blue. Some deadlines might be a tad late for me though, so need to be a bit careful there. Maybe I ll get into a rhythm of obsing/co-hosting one, playing one, repeat. And yes the hosting was great. You could have bossed luna/oneg into doing a few more vote counts during the day maybe. | ||
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On September 06 2016 06:19 geript wrote: Really though, game was totally unbalanced. That scum team was ridic. If the cop weren't an idiot, then we get a freebie red check in the least. But eh. That sucked. my n1 check would have been Dane. So thats a green. | ||
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On September 06 2016 06:22 geript wrote: That's a terrible check. You never check him there. okay. why? this is was my second time rolling blue and the last time was my very first game here on tl.net where I was a prot role. So if you have advice I want to hear it. though process: first I wanted to check RB because he was like nigh unreadable. Then he posted his screenshot. I changed to Vivi when I was angry at him. Changed to Dane, because he was another one I was very 50/50 and figured we would still have problems figure him out like D3. Didn't want to check scott or tw, because I thought they would be likely D2 lynches anyway. Didn't want to check you/HF/palmar/koshi N1 because I felt it to be a bit too early for like tinfoil checks? I mean I don't think checking ppl you townread is a gread Idea N1? If I would have checked one of this group that would probably been you. I thought about yolo checking HF for a second, but as I said that felt too much of a tinfoil ffor my N1 check? I kinda wanted to eliminate a question mark N1. | ||
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08-31-2016 05:39 PM ET (US) Yeah. Pretty insane. @disformation. The claim didn't matter. We decided to kill you before <3 | ||
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On September 06 2016 06:39 disformation wrote: KoshiPerson was signed in when posted 08-31-2016 05:39 PM ET (US) Yeah. Pretty insane. @disformation. The claim didn't matter. We decided to kill you before <3 claim was still bad, as it kinda denied town information though. bed time for me. | ||
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On September 06 2016 06:27 Vivax wrote: Bruh you need to play on holidays you have more potential than that. We could have been a good team this game, for a change. @ disfo "what are you doing" referred to mostly you trying to argue I was mafia when I thought it was obvious it wasn't the case, so it was veiled criticism of you pushing me, not of your overall play. My scum play is really weak, I felt sort of improved in my last scum game but still, it lacks flexibility and activity. Go read a few of my scum games when you don't feel sure about me. @ Damdred Thx for the <3 friend, we southerners need to stick together  @ game in general In games like these I really regret games not being more IML. Might host/cohost one myself. Only problem is people posting after hammers which is hard to mod, but it really makes the game more interesting and fast. @ Host Really appreciate the effort going into hosting here., it was super smooth. I'm just going to be honest, I don't read all of the flavour you write, but I hope you had fun writing it up. yeah, after calming down and being dead I figured that I probably just took it way worse than it was intended. -.- I blame lack of sleep/too much coffee/being to stressed. I think I had you town before exploding and I think my scum read in obs was kinda half-assed. xD | ||
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On September 06 2016 06:49 Holyflare wrote: I've also been perma banned at work from mafia so no more mafia from me It was hard enough being able to post at work to begin with. aw. that sucks. I enjoyed playing with you, even if you owned me hard this game. hope the future is brighter and we get to play again at some point. | ||
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On September 06 2016 06:48 Damdred wrote: The claim might of been bad (it wasn't optimal i will say that) but i don't think it affected the game in the way you think it did, you were obvious town and had already been deemed as the kill from what I understood it. We have had much much worse claims and cc. I still don't know how palmar gets away with it every time being alive for so long </3 and never catching scum. Well, it was a mistake and thus I want to acknowledge it as such. On September 06 2016 13:59 Onegu wrote: Also I lol'd hard when I saw the scum team. Btdt was like I don't know any of these players, palmar is a good player. Yeah, I would have had a laughing fit upon seeing that, too. xD On September 06 2016 16:12 Superbia wrote: A small tip for future players: Next time take a step back and look at the game as a whole and then evaluate what role everyone is playing. Palmar and HF went at each other d1 (iirc) but this died out really quietly. When two veterans go at each other there's usually a good reason (if one of them is town). Moreover, it should have a result. A conclusion. Instead, it felt like it reached a status quo. Neither of them seemed interested in each other. Ask yourself, at that point, why? What happened to their convictions earlier, and why do they seem less and less interested in each other the longer the game went (and the more town died, and the more mafia was winning)? Instead (or on top of) of analysing filters and posts, take a step back and look at what players are actually doing. As the game progresses and the town is losing, how does it affect a player? If player A thinks player B is scum during d1. And the game progresses without any mafia kills. And both players are alive. Is it not more likely that player A would revisit his scum-read on player B? Ok end of the rant-esque post. I don't want to take anything away from the scum team, as they played very well, but I think town could've definitely taken this one based on interactions. That is actually pretty good advise. Will try to keep that in mind. Also general thoughts about the game, from my pov before I exploded: My reads D1 are pretty wonky. They get better as the games progresses and I can use VCA/PoE and filter diving later in the game. My goals for D1 are trying to get TR as much as possible, so I don't get ML (since I cant waffle about my own role PM) and trying to find a strong TR to sheep. I was really struggling on the later part, cause I was a bit iffy about most ppl this game... Like with the interactions between koshi/palmar/hf and geript I thought at least one would be scum, maybe two, but I couldn't figure out who. Sheeping HF on Rels was kinda bad because of this and other reasons as well. Probably need to work on my D1 reads a bit. | ||
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On September 06 2016 22:28 justanothertownie wrote: I have to admit this was pretty awesome: oh wow kinda forgot about this. xD | ||
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