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Would anyone happen to have any Day 1 advice? I'm rather new to the game and the games I've played have mostly consisted of newer players where the general consensus is to just skip Day 1. I disagree with this and want to learn more about what can be done.
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Thanks for the advice. I'll try to keep in in mind. Beentheredonethat, don't worry. That was the only question I planned on asking.
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I don't know if this is how xe normally plays, but I am currently suspicious of Koshi. Out of 27 posts so far, 16 of them were irrelevant and uncontributive. Out of the 11 that are a bit more contributive, two of them are cause for immediate suspicion: + Show Spoiler +On August 29 2016 06:21 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 06:21 Tumblewood wrote: gonna jump on the "talk about trfel" ship doesn't make a whole lot of sense that trfel would jokingly claim scum and then shift right into serious mode. well, maybe a little. I still don't like it. vivax is also probably town for getting pissed at that. Or he is mafia with him! 2 found? On August 29 2016 07:02 Koshi wrote: If anybody is interested. I don't think Tfrel has the balls to come out and claim scum. He was superscared last game as mafia. I would be VERY surprised if he turned that around so fast.
Almost 100% lock town tbh.
Five of them are voting for Tumblewood without adding anything: + Show Spoiler +On August 29 2016 07:07 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 06:21 Tumblewood wrote: gonna jump on the "talk about trfel" ship doesn't make a whole lot of sense that trfel would jokingly claim scum and then shift right into serious mode. well, maybe a little. I still don't like it. vivax is also probably town for getting pissed at that. This guy is mafia. On August 29 2016 07:13 Koshi wrote: Tumblewood/Rels
prime suspects. On August 29 2016 07:15 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 07:14 Trfel wrote: Wait, Koshi, I thought that you were joking about Tumblewood being mafia?
Assuming that you are actually suspicious of him, why? I don't like the read. Seems forced. Face value read. On August 29 2016 07:17 Koshi wrote: Maybe that isn't the best explanation but you just gotta believe. On August 29 2016 07:20 Koshi wrote: Ohh I know it:
He makes a really forced read on Tfrel and then adds "oh and Vivax is town" to get away with the forced read and get some extra cred.
After xyr first vote, xe almost immediately switches to someone else, then back to the first vote: + Show Spoiler +On August 29 2016 07:52 Koshi wrote: Going to vote Tumblewood. If he is mafia I am confirmed greatest player alive.
##unvote ##vote Tumblewood On August 29 2016 07:59 Koshi wrote: ##unvote ##vote disformation
Goddamn. I had spidersenses going off on one of those posts as well but ignored them. But I like that read even more than mine. On August 29 2016 08:02 Koshi wrote: ##unvote ##Tumblewood
I am going to stick with my own read. Maybe I like it a bit more after all. Even though that were some superpoor reads from disfo.
##vote Koshi
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I forgot to specify what the first spoiler is about. In it, Koshi suspects Trfel, but then defends Trfel later.
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I find it odd that Koshi was suspicious of Trfel, but then defended Trfel shortly afterwards. If the former was said in jest, then it's another irrelevant and uncontributive post.
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Mainly because I had thought Koshi was suspicious, so I wanted to bring this to light. Since it turns out that this is Koshi's normal playstyle, I'll be looking into someone else.
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(UTC-06:00) Central Time (US & Canada) I was just unable to make a post earlier. I should be able to try for another read using Tumblewood's advice before it gets too late.
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On August 29 2016 11:33 scott31337 wrote: Do you have anything else to add? What do you think of Race Bannon's posts?
I'm not seeing any direct inconistancies in Race Bannon's posts, but the below post is interesting in that it's the only one that actually says anything. + Show Spoiler +On August 29 2016 07:14 Race Bannon wrote: Tumblewood, Koshi. for me.
It's strange that he finds Tumblewood and Koshi the most suspicious, despite their only affiliation up to that point being the following: + Show Spoiler +On August 29 2016 06:21 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 06:21 Tumblewood wrote: gonna jump on the "talk about trfel" ship doesn't make a whole lot of sense that trfel would jokingly claim scum and then shift right into serious mode. well, maybe a little. I still don't like it. vivax is also probably town for getting pissed at that. Or he is mafia with him! 2 found? On August 29 2016 07:13 Koshi wrote: Tumblewood/Rels
prime suspects.
Race Bannon could be someone to keep an eye on, but I'm still unfamiliar with everyone's playstyles.
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Rels certainly seems suspicious for having ony said "yo", then disappearing, but I don't think we have enough information to lynch him. I'm more interested in Geript right now. Other than the posts in the spoiler below, his strange reads are pretty much all he's said. It would be one thing if they were ordered by person, then gives an alignment after each one, but they're ordered by timestamp, which makes them seem a lot less coherent. As Palmar pointed out, there is also a pretty blatant contradiction in his read on Race Bannon. Because of this, I think I'm going to vote for Geript, as well.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 29 2016 10:39 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 06:54 Palmar wrote:On August 29 2016 06:46 Trfel wrote:Oh boy, disformation, I can't wait to see how you react if/when I actually push you  For you less meta-inclined people, Palmar and Vivax are very likely town ^^ at least if Trfel is mafia and ever flips I'm spewed confirmed town status. That's nice. This is the most interesting post so far. I'm surprised Palmar doesn't want to lynch Trfel; usually, he'd be more than happy to flip someone he doesn't think is town in hopes to confirm himself. On August 29 2016 10:54 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 10:51 scott31337 wrote:On August 29 2016 10:39 geript wrote:On August 29 2016 06:54 Palmar wrote:On August 29 2016 06:46 Trfel wrote:Oh boy, disformation, I can't wait to see how you react if/when I actually push you  For you less meta-inclined people, Palmar and Vivax are very likely town ^^ at least if Trfel is mafia and ever flips I'm spewed confirmed town status. That's nice. This is the most interesting post so far. I'm surprised Palmar doesn't want to lynch Trfel; usually, he'd be more than happy to flip someone he doesn't think is town in hopes to confirm himself. ![[image loading]](https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/71378636.jpg) I do, but I'm at work. You'll get them later tonight.
##vote Geript
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On August 30 2016 04:42 Holyflare wrote:Also, Daneler or w/e your name is, why have you ignored providing a read on disformation when he displayed the exact same traits that koshi did when you scum read koshi? I pointed it out and you've just jumped on geript for a point that is somewhat mediocre while ignoring evidence given to you that you yourself said you'd look into:+ Show Spoiler +On August 30 2016 00:50 DanelerH wrote:Rels certainly seems suspicious for having ony said "yo", then disappearing, but I don't think we have enough information to lynch him. I'm more interested in Geript right now. Other than the posts in the spoiler below, his strange reads are pretty much all he's said. It would be one thing if they were ordered by person, then gives an alignment after each one, but they're ordered by timestamp, which makes them seem a lot less coherent. As Palmar pointed out, there is also a pretty blatant contradiction in his read on Race Bannon. Because of this, I think I'm going to vote for Geript, as well. + Show Spoiler +On August 29 2016 10:39 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 06:54 Palmar wrote:On August 29 2016 06:46 Trfel wrote:Oh boy, disformation, I can't wait to see how you react if/when I actually push you  For you less meta-inclined people, Palmar and Vivax are very likely town ^^ at least if Trfel is mafia and ever flips I'm spewed confirmed town status. That's nice. This is the most interesting post so far. I'm surprised Palmar doesn't want to lynch Trfel; usually, he'd be more than happy to flip someone he doesn't think is town in hopes to confirm himself. On August 29 2016 10:54 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 10:51 scott31337 wrote:On August 29 2016 10:39 geript wrote:On August 29 2016 06:54 Palmar wrote:On August 29 2016 06:46 Trfel wrote:Oh boy, disformation, I can't wait to see how you react if/when I actually push you  For you less meta-inclined people, Palmar and Vivax are very likely town ^^ at least if Trfel is mafia and ever flips I'm spewed confirmed town status. That's nice. This is the most interesting post so far. I'm surprised Palmar doesn't want to lynch Trfel; usually, he'd be more than happy to flip someone he doesn't think is town in hopes to confirm himself. ![[image loading]](https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/71378636.jpg) I do, but I'm at work. You'll get them later tonight. ##vote Geript Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 10:33 Holyflare wrote:On August 29 2016 10:24 DanelerH wrote: I find it odd that Koshi was suspicious of Trfel, but then defended Trfel shortly afterwards. If the former was said in jest, then it's another irrelevant and uncontributive post. Also, if you're using this metric why are you going after Koshi and not hopping aboard the Disformation is mafia train with me? None of disformation's post can be mistaken for jokes, a lot of them defend people (Rels) and then scum lean them (based off a 2 letter post....)? Also, everyone that is following the Palmar wagon on Rels and has said nothing more is in major cop out mode and I will be coming after you big time.
I'm not sure where you're going with the bolded portion. I only said I was going to look into someone else. Geript was the person I ended up looking into. Quite frankly, I find xym suspicous, whether you think it's a mediocre reason or not. Because I think it is a good reason, this is the vote I plan on sticking with.
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I keep rereading the post where you say Geript clears up the inconsistancy, but I'm failing to see how it does so. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it just says it was because of a strange pairing Race made. If it was so important that it makes xym seem like a Mafia, wouldn't it have been far better to put that in the read? All xe mentioned there was that it was a weird pair to read.
As for why I haven't looked into Disformation yet, I was following the advice about looking more for inconistancies, rather than uncontributive posts. It appears that in doing so, however, I have only ended up making myself look more suspicious.
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Tumblewood, do you mind clarifying something for me?
On August 29 2016 06:36 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 06:35 Trfel wrote:On August 29 2016 06:35 Tumblewood wrote: maybe palmar's mafia Please explain? nah no thanks
Why did you refuse to elaborate on Palmar being Mafia?
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On August 30 2016 09:37 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2016 08:49 DanelerH wrote:Tumblewood, do you mind clarifying something for me? On August 29 2016 06:36 Tumblewood wrote:On August 29 2016 06:35 Trfel wrote:On August 29 2016 06:35 Tumblewood wrote: maybe palmar's mafia Please explain? nah no thanks Why did you refuse to elaborate on Palmar being Mafia? that was all I had to say
Isn't that odd, though? Normally, if you want someone to see your point of view, you need to give a reason. Why wouldn't you give one?
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That reminds me. Tumblewood, in addition to Palmar, you also suspected Koshi of being Mafia. Why are they suddenly under "null/don't care yet"?
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Vivax, at the beginning of the game, Disformation and Trfel each made a joke about being confirmed Town and Mafia (respectively). For some reason, you felt the need to respond to these. Why is this?
On August 29 2016 06:00 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 05:55 disformation wrote: now that I am conf. town, you ppl can fight over who gets to carry me. <3 You're not confirmed town 
On August 29 2016 06:02 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 05:59 Trfel wrote:Beentheredonethat is the worst cohost on TL. I didn't think he would be cruel enough to make me mafia two games in a row  Fine you can get lynched don't think that your smugness will save you from saying stupid things. ##Vote Trfel
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On August 30 2016 13:03 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2016 12:30 DanelerH wrote: That reminds me. Tumblewood, in addition to Palmar, you also suspected Koshi of being Mafia. Why are they suddenly under "null/don't care yet"? it's a weak suspicion. mostly my reaction when someone slips into the town category in my mind and then I think "oh, maybe they could be scum" or "why am I townreading them"
One more question for you, then. Why are your reads on Scott so erratic?
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On August 31 2016 01:47 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 01:37 DanelerH wrote:Vivax, at the beginning of the game, Disformation and Trfel each made a joke about being confirmed Town and Mafia (respectively). For some reason, you felt the need to respond to these. Why is this? On August 29 2016 06:00 Vivax wrote:On August 29 2016 05:55 disformation wrote: now that I am conf. town, you ppl can fight over who gets to carry me. <3 You're not confirmed town  On August 29 2016 06:02 Vivax wrote:On August 29 2016 05:59 Trfel wrote:Beentheredonethat is the worst cohost on TL. I didn't think he would be cruel enough to make me mafia two games in a row  Fine you can get lynched don't think that your smugness will save you from saying stupid things. ##Vote Trfel I can only talk in retrospect, but I replied to disfo cause he's not conf town for posting first, and I voted Trfel cause he claimed scum.
But was the latter neccessary? It seems like a bit of an excessive for a response to a joke.
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On August 29 2016 06:32 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 06:31 Palmar wrote: ok is no one going to ask me how I came up with my theory? what is this? I was thinking about writing up how much I am a big fanboy of yours and mad respect and all and so I stand behind your Rels=scum theory.
I have another question for you, Vivax. There are a couple of things off about this post. The intro of the post alone is odd, but you also seem to agree with the theory for no reason. Could you clarify these?
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On August 31 2016 03:12 scott31337 wrote: Would lynch: Tumblewood Rels Geript
This seems like an odd list. I don't recall you ever saying anything about Geript being suspcious.
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On August 31 2016 03:45 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 03:23 DanelerH wrote:On August 31 2016 03:12 scott31337 wrote: Would lynch: Tumblewood Rels Geript This seems like an odd list. I don't recall you ever saying anything about Geript being suspcious. Nope he disagreed with Palmar about geript 
That's what I thought. I'm starting to become tempted to lynch Scott.
On August 31 2016 04:03 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 03:49 disformation wrote:On August 31 2016 03:45 Vivax wrote:On August 31 2016 03:23 DanelerH wrote:On August 31 2016 03:12 scott31337 wrote: Would lynch: Tumblewood Rels Geript This seems like an odd list. I don't recall you ever saying anything about Geript being suspcious. Nope he disagreed with Palmar about geript  hm. On August 30 2016 05:47 scott31337 wrote:On August 30 2016 05:37 Holyflare wrote: Enough talking about geript and tw, let's focus on you know, the rest of the game?
Dane comes in and can only focuses on one person to vote (geript) but it's basically a sheep, returns and seems annoyed that they got called out and maintain that they are still voting geript when voti I wasn't a fan of this either - I didn't like the geript case all that much to be honest. He seems a bit scared to post, you know what I mean? I'm down for lynching Tumble as well - Rels WTF you at?!? Yo scott what happened? It has to do with this posting I read yesterday - he did his "scroll through and point out" thing - but I have no idea where he stands of who he wants to lynch. I don't want to quote everything, but there's three townreads (HF, vivax, Koshi) and he likes your read progression - does he Scumread RB? Like I have no clue besides a few town reads where he stands. He'd be at the bottom of the three I listed.
You don't know where xe stands? I think the voting thread makes it quite obvious. Geript plans on lynching Disformation.
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On August 31 2016 04:20 Trfel wrote: I could maybe lynch DanelerH, though. It's just very hard to see him approaching this game from a town mindset. I cannot figure out how he's going about solving the game, the direction of his filter seems to be more just random. The biggest example of that being his latest series of posts, where after voting for geript yesterday, he talks about some random, disconnected stuff today, of no relevance to the lynch.
The only problem is that I could maybe see him being town and not posting many of his actual thoughts, to the point that the progression in what he has posted makes no sense.
That said, the point that Holyflare made on him makes a lot of sense, and his response doesn't seem very interested in figuring out people's alignments.
There actually is a reason for that. I was going back over everyone's filters and found a few questions I wanted to ask. In each case, there was an answer they could have given that would have directly contradicted something that they said around the post I was quoting. Unfortunately, that ended up being fruitless. Luckily, I noticed Scott had disagreed with lynching Geript, despite having listed xym in the list of people to lynch. Because of this, I'm going to change my vote to Scott.
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On August 31 2016 05:47 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 05:44 DanelerH wrote:On August 31 2016 04:20 Trfel wrote: I could maybe lynch DanelerH, though. It's just very hard to see him approaching this game from a town mindset. I cannot figure out how he's going about solving the game, the direction of his filter seems to be more just random. The biggest example of that being his latest series of posts, where after voting for geript yesterday, he talks about some random, disconnected stuff today, of no relevance to the lynch.
The only problem is that I could maybe see him being town and not posting many of his actual thoughts, to the point that the progression in what he has posted makes no sense.
That said, the point that Holyflare made on him makes a lot of sense, and his response doesn't seem very interested in figuring out people's alignments. There actually is a reason for that. I was going back over everyone's filters and found a few questions I wanted to ask. In each case, there was an answer they could have given that would have directly contradicted something that they said around the post I was quoting. Unfortunately, that ended up being fruitless. Luckily, I noticed Scott had disagreed with lynching Geript, despite having listed xym in the list of people to lynch. Because of this, I'm going to change my vote to Scott. ##vote Scott You know I talked about this when dis asked me about it? Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 04:03 scott31337 wrote:On August 31 2016 03:49 disformation wrote:On August 31 2016 03:45 Vivax wrote:On August 31 2016 03:23 DanelerH wrote:On August 31 2016 03:12 scott31337 wrote: Would lynch: Tumblewood Rels Geript This seems like an odd list. I don't recall you ever saying anything about Geript being suspcious. Nope he disagreed with Palmar about geript  hm. On August 30 2016 05:47 scott31337 wrote:On August 30 2016 05:37 Holyflare wrote: Enough talking about geript and tw, let's focus on you know, the rest of the game?
Dane comes in and can only focuses on one person to vote (geript) but it's basically a sheep, returns and seems annoyed that they got called out and maintain that they are still voting geript when voti I wasn't a fan of this either - I didn't like the geript case all that much to be honest. He seems a bit scared to post, you know what I mean? I'm down for lynching Tumble as well - Rels WTF you at?!? Yo scott what happened? It has to do with this posting I read yesterday - he did his "scroll through and point out" thing - but I have no idea where he stands of who he wants to lynch. I don't want to quote everything, but there's three townreads (HF, vivax, Koshi) and he likes your read progression - does he Scumread RB? Like I have no clue besides a few town reads where he stands. He'd be at the bottom of the three I listed.
I realize this, but I find it strange that you didn't mention anything about your suspicion on Geript before then.
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I didn't realize we were allowed to speak during the Night phase (we weren't allowed to in the other games I played). I'm going to need a bit of time to catch up.
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On September 01 2016 05:01 Koshi wrote: Palmar 100% mafia. Kill with fire. If you don't understand Palmar is mafia there is no hope for you. Has been sitting on random wagons taking 0 credit for his reads. Town!Palmar his favorite thing is to taunt town that he is right when he is sitting on a different wagon. Or play better and actually lead town. Nothing of that here, his like between the two. I'll let HF explain it better if I die.
If anyone can back up the bold portion, please do so. I don't know how accurate this is. Regardless, the italicized portion made me check Palmar's filter again and I found out that Koshi is correct about this. Palmar went from:
Rels: + Show Spoiler +On August 29 2016 06:33 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 06:30 disformation wrote:On August 29 2016 06:29 Palmar wrote: This is not a joke btw. Rels is probably mafia. please enlighten me. for instantly disappearing after posting a 2 character post? Is that a meta thing for him? Ah fantastic. No, it's absolutely not a meta thing. You see, one of the most underrated difficult things to do in mafia is to "enter" the thread. Rels' entrance was, unlike just about everyone else on the frontpage, completely unattached to the game or to anything else going on in it. If he was in the thread at the time, he definitely had the time to read the like... 5? posts that had been posted, or at least stuck around to say one or two more things. But no, he came into the thread, because there is an inherent pressure on people to actually participate in threads, especially mafia feel like "I must post". Yet he clearly had no real will or intention to stay in the thread, as his silence since that one greeting proves. He is, of the people that posted early, by far the most likely to be mafia. - Something of note: + Show Spoiler +Palmar didn't give xyr theory on Rels until asked for it. Prior to this, xe only said "Rels is Mafia." On August 29 2016 06:31 Palmar wrote: ok is no one going to ask me how I came up with my theory? what is this?
Geript: + Show Spoiler +On August 29 2016 19:00 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 18:45 Palmar wrote: geript's two long posts are awful. He quotes a bunch of my posts and gives random commentary, then proceeds to make his conclusion some joke about marv.
Also, Rels still afk? wow such caught. Like to elaborate further on the geript thing. It's of special notice that when he is posting, Rels is clearly running away with the vote, and as such, geript should be paying attention to that part of the game, yet all he says about my case is "i am not impressed" without giving any further reasoning about it. In his conclusion he states "Rels is useless as usual" or something like that, which is like the weakest possible stance you can take on the person currently up for lynch. Like I would've been fine if geript's criticism was actually explained, or thought out at all. His long posts really stick out as "I'm gonna quote a bunch of shit and add random commentary so it looks like I'm doing things". Essentially, despite the long form of his posts, what he has done is basically written a glorified list post that looks something like this: Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 15:05 geript wrote:
Town HF Koshi Vivax
Leaning Town Trfel
Null Palmar Scott Rels
Scum Tumble RB disfo
Not that lists aren't fine, they're often a good way to gauge where someone stands on a game, but meeeehhh~~~ Also, he completely disregarded my point on RB which I still think is an excellent point. So yeah. geript's entrance is shit.
Tumblewood: + Show Spoiler +On August 30 2016 19:54 Palmar wrote: Voting Tumblewood
Partly because I admire the fact Koshi wrote a case that looks good and I want to support a good effort. Mostly though because he put me in "null/I don't care" category.
- Something of note: + Show Spoiler +Palmar wasn't the only one suspicious of Tumblewood. Holyflare was suspicous of Tumblewood a long time before this. Despite each of them making a case on the same person, Palmar made the following post: On August 31 2016 01:47 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2016 23:10 Vivax wrote: HF is very sheepable this game. Moreso than Palmar, even though he will hate me for saying this.
I never get who the hell Dan talks about when he says xym/xe, there is no player going by that name can you for the love of god use the actual names or do you have a chinese autocorrect turned on? HF has done literally nothing worth noticing.
Geript (again): + Show Spoiler +On August 31 2016 05:44 Palmar wrote: I am only going to be on phone tonight but for what it's worth I didn't think tw sounded like mafia when we talked today. It's not a strong read nor am I going to hard defend him (don't wanna look like an idiot if he flips mafia) but yeah
I think geript is a better lunch. There is a vey concise and simple point against him
Rels (again): + Show Spoiler +On August 31 2016 05:59 Palmar wrote: I awitched rather kill Rels than scott - Something of note: + Show Spoiler +This was only 15 minutes later and allegedly wasn't because Blue claim from Rels. On August 31 2016 07:19 Palmar wrote: yeah I don't have to argue this right now so I'm not going to.
I did not switch after he claimed blue, or if I did it was only because phone posting is slower. I switched, as stated, because of the two options left on the table I wanted to kill Rels over scott.
If Palmar is Mafia, I think it's safe to say that Geript and Tumblewood probably aren't.
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I have no qualms with lynching Palmar, however I thought I would look into some other people that are currently under suspicion. One of these people is Tictock. In xyr filter, I found something very interesting: + Show Spoiler +
Notice how Rels is listed under "Null," but Vivax is listed under "Scum lean." The reason why this is odd is because it doesn't match with Tictock's vote: + Show Spoiler +On August 29 2016 08:45 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 08:18 Koshi wrote: Now that Palmar plays I will just let him do his thing and lynch him D3 if we don't lynch mafia. eztactics and 100% foolproof. Hey, that was my plan! Now I feel like I should come up with something more original... but thankfully I'm pretty lazy. For now I think I'll add my weight to the Rels train kus a little pressure on him sounds like a good way to start the game. Still sus of Vivax too, he is playing to a higher degree than last I saw of him as scum but his contributions feel forced and possibly have agenda behind them. Pretty sure Trfel and Dis are both town. That is all. ## Vote: Rels
If you look at the timestamps in each of these, you'll see that the Rels vote was on before being suspicious of Vivax. Yes, Tictock was an early supporter of the Rels lynch, but it's strange that xe never changed the vote to Vivax.
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On September 02 2016 00:51 Holyflare wrote: There's like an entire day between the timestamps? Rels was clearly a pressure vote because he stated it was. Did he ever vote vivax or elaborate more on that read though?
No to the former. Tictock never voted for Vivax, so I still find it strange, despite the length of time between the list and the vote. For the read, the first instance of suspicion was here: + Show Spoiler +On August 29 2016 08:06 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 06:22 Vivax wrote: I see good will from Trfel here but it's not going to catch a mafia disfo. So far both of them posted null stuff, with Trfel's scumclaim being posted to look like he wanted to draw attention, but since he's posting in sluggish tempo I'm not sure he wanted to actually draw attention but the opposite. But I don't want to crash his party if he thinks he's achieving something.
Also, salut Rels! This strikes me as the most interesting post thus far. Basically a long winded way of saying he has no idea what Trfel is doing. I agree with the first sentance but the rest is calling out Trfel for something, then saying he doesn't want to push Trfel for it. Mild scum lean for casting shade on Trfel but not wanting to look like a bad guy while doing it.
The second was during the vote for Rels: + Show Spoiler +On August 29 2016 08:45 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 08:18 Koshi wrote: Now that Palmar plays I will just let him do his thing and lynch him D3 if we don't lynch mafia. eztactics and 100% foolproof. Hey, that was my plan! Now I feel like I should come up with something more original... but thankfully I'm pretty lazy. For now I think I'll add my weight to the Rels train kus a little pressure on him sounds like a good way to start the game. Still sus of Vivax too, he is playing to a higher degree than last I saw of him as scum but his contributions feel forced and possibly have agenda behind them. Pretty sure Trfel and Dis are both town. That is all. ## Vote: Rels
And the third was the most elaboration prior to the list: + Show Spoiler +On August 29 2016 09:17 Tictock wrote:A couple of Vivax's posts don't mesh with how I'm seeing the game at all. Ehh I think I need context. Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 06:42 Vivax wrote: Tumble's attention shift from Trfel along with my post that went undiscussed (maybe I'm just boring or post too much stuff to reply to in detail?) to Rels being accused by Palmar is kinda interesting. It's like the Rels issue is more important for him than the Trfel one without visible reasoning. Here he is basically saying that Tumble reacting to Palmar's thing with Rels is an "attention shift" like there is possible association between Rels and Tumble. While Vivax's own opinion of Rels is basically "Palmar is a cool guy, and makes a good point about Rels" I kinda see Vivax doing exactly what he is accusing Tumble of doing here, shifting some attention from people discussing Rels onto Tumble.
On September 02 2016 00:58 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2016 00:39 DanelerH wrote:I have no qualms with lynching Palmar, however I thought I would look into some other people that are currently under suspicion. One of these people is Tictock. In xyr filter, I found something very interesting: + Show Spoiler +Notice how Rels is listed under "Null," but Vivax is listed under "Scum lean." The reason why this is odd is because it doesn't match with Tictock's vote: + Show Spoiler +On August 29 2016 08:45 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 08:18 Koshi wrote: Now that Palmar plays I will just let him do his thing and lynch him D3 if we don't lynch mafia. eztactics and 100% foolproof. Hey, that was my plan! Now I feel like I should come up with something more original... but thankfully I'm pretty lazy. For now I think I'll add my weight to the Rels train kus a little pressure on him sounds like a good way to start the game. Still sus of Vivax too, he is playing to a higher degree than last I saw of him as scum but his contributions feel forced and possibly have agenda behind them. Pretty sure Trfel and Dis are both town. That is all. ## Vote: Rels If you look at the timestamps in each of these, you'll see that the Rels vote was on before being suspicious of Vivax. Yes, Tictock was an early supporter of the Rels lynch, but it's strange that xe never changed the vote to Vivax. You can probably find that sort of argument for half the game. Did I truly believe Rels was mafia when I voted for him? No, so I should be but this game is about getting situations going that people have to react to, and which the game is failing miserably to do. Either the players are afk or they're simply soloplaying like HF pointed out. TT might as well have voted Rels to just get the wagon going which was a pretty admirable thing to do in this context. So no, it's not scummy. Vote Palmar if you want to help town. And give us a read on scott/read my posts pls. My post was referring to Tictock.
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On September 02 2016 01:13 Vivax wrote: I'm referring to TickTock too I understood your post perfectly.
Why no read on scott?
Still working on it. My posts tend to take a while.
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On September 02 2016 01:28 Holyflare wrote: You gotta be carefreeeeee and say what you remember! Well that's what I advise newer people to do anyway because if you spend a lot of time doing stuff that turns out fruitless after you posted that will feel like wasted effort.
I dislike doing that, though. I want to make sure my posts say what I want them to say so I can properly get my point across.
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I'm fairly suspicious of Scott. In addition to the posts Vivax pointed out here, I still find the read on Geript strange: + Show Spoiler +On August 31 2016 03:12 scott31337 wrote: Townie: Palmar Trfel Koshi Disformation
Wouldn't Lynch today: Danelerh Holyflare Race Bannon
Stil unsure: TicTock
WTF: Vivax
Would lynch: Tumblewood Rels Geript
One of the strange things about this is Scott had previously stated that xe disagreed with the Geript case: + Show Spoiler +On August 30 2016 05:47 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2016 05:37 Holyflare wrote: Enough talking about geript and tw, let's focus on you know, the rest of the game?
Dane comes in and can only focuses on one person to vote (geript) but it's basically a sheep, returns and seems annoyed that they got called out and maintain that they are still voting geript when voti I wasn't a fan of this either - I didn't like the geript case all that much to be honest. He seems a bit scared to post, you know what I mean? I'm down for lynching Tumble as well - Rels WTF you at?!?
Granted, Scott clarified it, but it's still strange that xe didn't say anything about Geript between the above two posts: + Show Spoiler +On August 31 2016 04:03 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 03:49 disformation wrote:On August 31 2016 03:45 Vivax wrote:On August 31 2016 03:23 DanelerH wrote:On August 31 2016 03:12 scott31337 wrote: Would lynch: Tumblewood Rels Geript This seems like an odd list. I don't recall you ever saying anything about Geript being suspcious. Nope he disagreed with Palmar about geript  hm. On August 30 2016 05:47 scott31337 wrote:On August 30 2016 05:37 Holyflare wrote: Enough talking about geript and tw, let's focus on you know, the rest of the game?
Dane comes in and can only focuses on one person to vote (geript) but it's basically a sheep, returns and seems annoyed that they got called out and maintain that they are still voting geript when voti I wasn't a fan of this either - I didn't like the geript case all that much to be honest. He seems a bit scared to post, you know what I mean? I'm down for lynching Tumble as well - Rels WTF you at?!? Yo scott what happened? It has to do with this posting I read yesterday - he did his "scroll through and point out" thing - but I have no idea where he stands of who he wants to lynch. I don't want to quote everything, but there's three townreads (HF, vivax, Koshi) and he likes your read progression - does he Scumread RB? Like I have no clue besides a few town reads where he stands. He'd be at the bottom of the three I listed.
What it doesn't clear up, though, is that xe never said anything about Tumblewood being suspicious, either (something that Trfel mentioned earlier). In fact, I may just be missing it, but I can't seem to find anything about Scott saying Tumblewood is suspicious. The last thing about Scott is the spreadsheet. More specifically, what happened when xe was asked for it. Scott was asked to post the spreadsheet xe has for this game (which xe mentioned xe has), but hasn't even acknowledged request, depsite having been online afterwards.
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On September 02 2016 02:06 DanelerH wrote: The last thing about Scott is the spreadsheet. More specifically, what happened when xe was asked for it. Scott was asked to post the spreadsheet xe has for this game (which xe mentioned xe has), but hasn't even acknowledged request, depsite having been online afterwards.
I forgot to give quotes for that one.
Request for the spreadsheet: + Show Spoiler +On September 01 2016 09:22 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +Not sure what Vivax even thinks about geript. He talked to Palmar about geript but never took a stance about it himself. All super weak stuff. Genuinely interested in this vivax please enlighten me. Also little things like this throw me off. Maybe it's just me but I never pay attention to how many extra lynches we have. Also Scott now is the time, my body is ready, enlighten us with your spreadsheet plz.
Having been online afterwards: + Show Spoiler +On September 01 2016 10:39 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2016 09:43 Vivax wrote:On September 01 2016 09:32 Trfel wrote: The thing I really don't like about Koshi, is why is he so confident about scott31337 being town?
I looked through Koshi's filter, and I didn't see any reasons that he gave that scott31337 is town. Koshi said that he built a town case on scott31337, so I missed it (please link?), but I'm not seeing anything.
I also saw where Koshi said that he doesn't think that scott31337 is mafia but he really could be. Since then, scott31337 has not done anything worth townreading him for (in my opinion anyway), but Koshi's become far more confident in scott31337 being town, for seemingly no reason. If anything, the vote count analysis makes scott31337 look scummier IMO, not townier.
So this really confuses me. You're just the hero I deserved. The shitty part about this game is that if you start making inquiries about people who suspect you, they start calling you a discreditor or dismiss all you write as omgus (disfo being the best example). I even admit to suspecting people who throw scum at me almost instinctively, which is why my play is the weakest when a lot of people suspect me. It just creates too many distractions for me to handle. Sure I could just not give a fuck and do it anyway but I've learned that it mostly hurts my already not very popular opinions. So while I do my scott thing you do this Koshi thing and we're gucci. Hope you enjoyed this post of self-awareness. Scum surely can learn something from it when it comes to tilting me. This post has townie feels or you just changed your "meta" so much that I've read before, fuck it man. I'm going back to watching Trump's speech though in my home town. ##Unvote
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On September 02 2016 02:11 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2016 02:06 DanelerH wrote:I'm fairly suspicious of Scott. In addition to the posts Vivax pointed out here, I still find the read on Geript strange: + Show Spoiler +On August 31 2016 03:12 scott31337 wrote: Townie: Palmar Trfel Koshi Disformation
Wouldn't Lynch today: Danelerh Holyflare Race Bannon
Stil unsure: TicTock
WTF: Vivax
Would lynch: Tumblewood Rels Geript One of the strange things about this is Scott had previously stated that xe disagreed with the Geript case: + Show Spoiler +On August 30 2016 05:47 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2016 05:37 Holyflare wrote: Enough talking about geript and tw, let's focus on you know, the rest of the game?
Dane comes in and can only focuses on one person to vote (geript) but it's basically a sheep, returns and seems annoyed that they got called out and maintain that they are still voting geript when voti I wasn't a fan of this either - I didn't like the geript case all that much to be honest. He seems a bit scared to post, you know what I mean? I'm down for lynching Tumble as well - Rels WTF you at?!? Granted, Scott clarified it, but it's still strange that xe didn't say anything about Geript between the above two posts: + Show Spoiler +On August 31 2016 04:03 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 03:49 disformation wrote:On August 31 2016 03:45 Vivax wrote:On August 31 2016 03:23 DanelerH wrote:On August 31 2016 03:12 scott31337 wrote: Would lynch: Tumblewood Rels Geript This seems like an odd list. I don't recall you ever saying anything about Geript being suspcious. Nope he disagreed with Palmar about geript  hm. On August 30 2016 05:47 scott31337 wrote:On August 30 2016 05:37 Holyflare wrote: Enough talking about geript and tw, let's focus on you know, the rest of the game?
Dane comes in and can only focuses on one person to vote (geript) but it's basically a sheep, returns and seems annoyed that they got called out and maintain that they are still voting geript when voti I wasn't a fan of this either - I didn't like the geript case all that much to be honest. He seems a bit scared to post, you know what I mean? I'm down for lynching Tumble as well - Rels WTF you at?!? Yo scott what happened? It has to do with this posting I read yesterday - he did his "scroll through and point out" thing - but I have no idea where he stands of who he wants to lynch. I don't want to quote everything, but there's three townreads (HF, vivax, Koshi) and he likes your read progression - does he Scumread RB? Like I have no clue besides a few town reads where he stands. He'd be at the bottom of the three I listed. What it doesn't clear up, though, is that xe never said anything about Tumblewood being suspicious, either ( something that Trfel mentioned earlier). In fact, I may just be missing it, but I can't seem to find anything about Scott saying Tumblewood is suspicious. The last thing about Scott is the spreadsheet. More specifically, what happened when xe was asked for it. Scott was asked to post the spreadsheet xe has for this game (which xe mentioned xe has), but hasn't even acknowledged request, depsite having been online afterwards. Trfel's doesn't mention anything about scott's suspicion of TW that you're linking to, and why is it relevant? Did you see scott voting TW without ever talking about him? Elaborate please.
I gave the wrong Trfel link. Here's the right one. The reason why I find it strange is because, like Geript, there was no prior mention of suspicion.
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And yes, I am voting for Palmar.
##vote Palmar
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Spent the past hour or so catching up. Earlier, I had thought that Palmar and Tumblewood weren't likely to both be Mafia, but recent posts by Tumblewood are making me rethink that. While I would rather lynch Scott or Palmar, I don't think those lynches will go anywhere today. As such, I am going to move my vote to Tumblewood, as well.
##vote Tumblewood
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Well, crap. And with another Town dead at the end of the Night, we'll be down to 5-3. We cannot afford another mislynch.
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The person I want to look into right now is Geript. Day 1 was the only time Geript was suspicious of Tumblewood. As the game progressed to Night 1, the list xe gave for most likely being Mafia consisted of Tictock, Palmar, Scott, Race, and myself. + Show Spoiler +On August 31 2016 15:04 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 06:03 beentheredonethat wrote:Day 1: Final Vote Count
Votes: - Rels (6) - Holyflare, disformation, Koshi, Tumblewood, Tictock, Palmar
- Tumblewood (1) - scott31337
- geript (0) -
Palmar, disformation, DanelerH, Palmar, Tumblewood
- scott31337 (4) - Vivax, Rels,
Trfel, DanelerH, Trfel, Tumblewood
- Vivax (1) - Race
- DanelerH (1) - geript
Not voting: - HF I think this is a bit closer.
Admittedly, quite some time has passed since then, but Geript never claimed suspicion on Tumblewood after the fact. Let's go over changes Geript made to the list:
Near the end of Day 2, the two xe was most suspicious of were Vivax and myself. + Show Spoiler +On September 03 2016 03:42 geript wrote: If rather lynch vivax or Dane.
Shortly afterwards, xe stated that Palmar was most likely Town: + Show Spoiler +On September 03 2016 03:45 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2016 03:43 Vivax wrote:On September 03 2016 03:42 geript wrote: If rather lynch vivax or Dane. No you need to make a call on Palmar and stop pussyfooting around his alignment. I think he's town.
Assuming there were no other changes to the list, it would probably look something like this: Vivax DanelerH Tictock Scott
Despite all of this, Geript voted for Tumblewood. Xe didn't give any reasoning or even a post (except for in the voting thread). Geript, why is this?
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On September 03 2016 06:58 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2016 06:45 DanelerH wrote:The person I want to look into right now is Geript. Day 1 was the only time Geript was suspicious of Tumblewood. As the game progressed to Night 1, the list xe gave for most likely being Mafia consisted of Tictock, Palmar, Scott, Race, and myself. + Show Spoiler +On August 31 2016 15:04 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 06:03 beentheredonethat wrote:Day 1: Final Vote Count
Votes: - Rels (6) - Holyflare, disformation, Koshi, Tumblewood, Tictock, Palmar
- Tumblewood (1) - scott31337
- geript (0) -
Palmar, disformation, DanelerH, Palmar, Tumblewood
- scott31337 (4) - Vivax, Rels,
Trfel, DanelerH, Trfel, Tumblewood
- Vivax (1) - Race
- DanelerH (1) - geript
Not voting: - HF I think this is a bit closer. Admittedly, quite some time has passed since then, but Geript never claimed suspicion on Tumblewood after the fact. Let's go over changes Geript made to the list: Near the end of Day 2, the two xe was most suspicious of were Vivax and myself. + Show Spoiler +On September 03 2016 03:42 geript wrote: If rather lynch vivax or Dane. Shortly afterwards, xe stated that Palmar was most likely Town: + Show Spoiler +On September 03 2016 03:45 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2016 03:43 Vivax wrote:On September 03 2016 03:42 geript wrote: If rather lynch vivax or Dane. No you need to make a call on Palmar and stop pussyfooting around his alignment. I think he's town. Assuming there were no other changes to the list, it would probably look something like this: Vivax DanelerH Tictock Scott Despite all of this, Geript voted for Tumblewood. Xe didn't give any reasoning or even a post (except for in the voting thread). Geript, why is this? I'm only voting for this guy. I'm tired of this bs.
Whether you're tired of this "bs" or not, I would still like an answer. When did you become suspicious of Tumblewood? If you weren't suspicious of xem, why did you bother voting for xem?
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Palmar and Scott are still the ones I'm the most suspicious of, but I would still like for Geript to answer my question.
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Never mind my previous question. Looking back on it, it doesn't make much sense for a Mafia to bandwagon onto a lynch of a Town when the vote isn't needed to shift it in their favor. Geript is most likely Town. Below is a rough list of my townreads and suspicions.
Town: Holyflare Vivax Geript Koshi
Mafia: Tictock Scott Palmar
Trfel is someone I'm up in the air about. I'm going to do a read on xem tomorrow (because it's getting late for me).
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After looking through Trfel's filter, I don't see anything that points to xem being Mafia. As such, I'm going to place xem under Town. Here is my current list:
Town: Holyflare Vivax Geript Koshi Trfel
Mafia: Tictock Scott Palmar
Out of the ones listed under Mafia, I think we should lynch either Scott or Palmar.
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On September 03 2016 23:22 Palmar wrote: Why am I mafia Daneler?
I made a post on it earlier: + Show Spoiler +On September 01 2016 07:48 DanelerH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2016 05:01 Koshi wrote: Palmar 100% mafia. Kill with fire. If you don't understand Palmar is mafia there is no hope for you. Has been sitting on random wagons taking 0 credit for his reads. Town!Palmar his favorite thing is to taunt town that he is right when he is sitting on a different wagon. Or play better and actually lead town. Nothing of that here, his like between the two. I'll let HF explain it better if I die. If anyone can back up the bold portion, please do so. I don't know how accurate this is. Regardless, the italicized portion made me check Palmar's filter again and I found out that Koshi is correct about this. Palmar went from: Rels: + Show Spoiler +On August 29 2016 06:33 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 06:30 disformation wrote:On August 29 2016 06:29 Palmar wrote: This is not a joke btw. Rels is probably mafia. please enlighten me. for instantly disappearing after posting a 2 character post? Is that a meta thing for him? Ah fantastic. No, it's absolutely not a meta thing. You see, one of the most underrated difficult things to do in mafia is to "enter" the thread. Rels' entrance was, unlike just about everyone else on the frontpage, completely unattached to the game or to anything else going on in it. If he was in the thread at the time, he definitely had the time to read the like... 5? posts that had been posted, or at least stuck around to say one or two more things. But no, he came into the thread, because there is an inherent pressure on people to actually participate in threads, especially mafia feel like "I must post". Yet he clearly had no real will or intention to stay in the thread, as his silence since that one greeting proves. He is, of the people that posted early, by far the most likely to be mafia. - Something of note: + Show Spoiler +Palmar didn't give xyr theory on Rels until asked for it. Prior to this, xe only said "Rels is Mafia." On August 29 2016 06:31 Palmar wrote: ok is no one going to ask me how I came up with my theory? what is this? Geript: + Show Spoiler +On August 29 2016 19:00 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 18:45 Palmar wrote: geript's two long posts are awful. He quotes a bunch of my posts and gives random commentary, then proceeds to make his conclusion some joke about marv.
Also, Rels still afk? wow such caught. Like to elaborate further on the geript thing. It's of special notice that when he is posting, Rels is clearly running away with the vote, and as such, geript should be paying attention to that part of the game, yet all he says about my case is "i am not impressed" without giving any further reasoning about it. In his conclusion he states "Rels is useless as usual" or something like that, which is like the weakest possible stance you can take on the person currently up for lynch. Like I would've been fine if geript's criticism was actually explained, or thought out at all. His long posts really stick out as "I'm gonna quote a bunch of shit and add random commentary so it looks like I'm doing things". Essentially, despite the long form of his posts, what he has done is basically written a glorified list post that looks something like this: Show nested quote +On August 29 2016 15:05 geript wrote:
Town HF Koshi Vivax
Leaning Town Trfel
Null Palmar Scott Rels
Scum Tumble RB disfo
Not that lists aren't fine, they're often a good way to gauge where someone stands on a game, but meeeehhh~~~ Also, he completely disregarded my point on RB which I still think is an excellent point. So yeah. geript's entrance is shit. Tumblewood: + Show Spoiler +On August 30 2016 19:54 Palmar wrote: Voting Tumblewood
Partly because I admire the fact Koshi wrote a case that looks good and I want to support a good effort. Mostly though because he put me in "null/I don't care" category.
- Something of note: + Show Spoiler +Palmar wasn't the only one suspicious of Tumblewood. Holyflare was suspicous of Tumblewood a long time before this. Despite each of them making a case on the same person, Palmar made the following post: On August 31 2016 01:47 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2016 23:10 Vivax wrote: HF is very sheepable this game. Moreso than Palmar, even though he will hate me for saying this.
I never get who the hell Dan talks about when he says xym/xe, there is no player going by that name can you for the love of god use the actual names or do you have a chinese autocorrect turned on? HF has done literally nothing worth noticing. Geript (again): + Show Spoiler +On August 31 2016 05:44 Palmar wrote: I am only going to be on phone tonight but for what it's worth I didn't think tw sounded like mafia when we talked today. It's not a strong read nor am I going to hard defend him (don't wanna look like an idiot if he flips mafia) but yeah
I think geript is a better lunch. There is a vey concise and simple point against him Rels (again): + Show Spoiler +On August 31 2016 05:59 Palmar wrote: I awitched rather kill Rels than scott - Something of note: + Show Spoiler +This was only 15 minutes later and allegedly wasn't because Blue claim from Rels. On August 31 2016 07:19 Palmar wrote: yeah I don't have to argue this right now so I'm not going to.
I did not switch after he claimed blue, or if I did it was only because phone posting is slower. I switched, as stated, because of the two options left on the table I wanted to kill Rels over scott.
If Palmar is Mafia, I think it's safe to say that Geript and Tumblewood probably aren't.
While I still haven't heard anything new about the bold portion, the italicized portion is still correct. In the part where I'm looking into the italicized portion, I also noted several things, which are also still correct and I believe they hold water. Tumblewood and Geript being Town also falls in line with my hypothesis at the end.
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I'm working on a case right now. I think I can finish by the deadline. (I may have been working on it for the past hour to make sure it says what I want it to.)
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My suspicion of all three of them has increased. It's centered around the Day 1 lynch. Here is a list of the quotes from the semi-final vote count to the final vote count: + Show Spoiler +On August 31 2016 05:58 beentheredonethat wrote:Day 1: Vote Count #7]
Votes: - Rels (4) -
Palmar, Vivax, scott31337, disformation, Koshi, Tictock, Holyflare, disformation, Koshi, Tumblewood
- Trfel (0) -
disformation
- disformation (0) -
Holyflare, Koshi, geript
- Tumblewood (2) -
Koshi, Koshi, Holyflare, scott31337, Tictock, Palmar, disformation, disformation, Trfel
- Koshi (0) -
DanelerH
- geript (1) -
Palmar, disformation, DanelerH, Palmar, Tumblewood
- scott31337 (4) - Vivax, Rels,
Trfel, DanelerH, Trfel, Tumblewood
- TicTock (0) -
Tumblewood
- Vivax (1) -
disformation, Race Bannon
- DanelerH (1) - geript
Not voting: - Currently, scott31337 is set to be lynched.
Remember, voting is mandatory. Please vote in the voting thread. If the vote count is not accurate or contains errors, please PM a host.
Day 1 will end in 0m 0s (deadline being Tuesday, Aug 30 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)). On August 31 2016 05:58 Tictock wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Rels On August 31 2016 05:58 Palmar wrote: ##unvote ##vote Rels On August 31 2016 05:59 Rels wrote: ##Vote scott On August 31 2016 06:03 beentheredonethat wrote:Day 1: Final Vote Count
Votes: - Rels (6) -
Palmar, Vivax, scott31337, disformation, Koshi, Tictock, Holyflare, disformation, Koshi, Tumblewood, Tictock, Palmar
- Trfel (0) -
disformation
- disformation (0) -
Holyflare, Koshi, geript
- Tumblewood (1) -
Koshi, Koshi, Holyflare, scott31337, Tictock, Palmar, disformation, disformation, Trfel
- Koshi (0) -
DanelerH
- geript (0) -
Palmar, disformation, DanelerH, Palmar, Tumblewood
- scott31337 (4) - Vivax, Rels,
Trfel, DanelerH, Trfel, Tumblewood
- TicTock (0) -
Tumblewood
- Vivax (1) -
disformation, Race Bannon
- DanelerH (1) - geript
Not voting: -
Rels is the lynch. Flip post is imminent.
In the semi-final count, Scott was about to be lynched. The ones who turned the vote around to Rels were Palmar and Tictock. Each of them gave an explanation for their vote switches.
Palmar: + Show Spoiler +On August 31 2016 05:59 Palmar wrote: I awitched rather kill Rels than scott On August 31 2016 06:00 Palmar wrote: This has like 1% chance of working but we're sticking with it because he claimed On August 31 2016 07:19 Palmar wrote: yeah I don't have to argue this right now so I'm not going to.
I did not switch after he claimed blue, or if I did it was only because phone posting is slower. I switched, as stated, because of the two options left on the table I wanted to kill Rels over scott.
Tictock: + Show Spoiler +On August 31 2016 05:43 Tictock wrote: Deadline is so close... I think I'm going back to Legion.
I want Tumble to be the lynch today, so plz no last min shenannies. Dane is a worse lynch than Tumble. On August 31 2016 05:54 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2016 05:51 Rels wrote: I've read Scott geript and tw filter and I want a geript lynch Tumble had some townie reactions not long ago Scott last read list is like exactly mine with my name instead of his name. He could be town for that Geript has done nothing after his two tryhard posts that had inconsistency in it. I think he is the more likely to flip scum FTR I also really dislike the way tt is pushing tumble lynch, he is missing some kind of doubts townie usually have Good, now I feel like my vote on you at the start of the game was justified. On August 31 2016 05:57 Tictock wrote: Arg I actually still don't like the shennanie... On August 31 2016 05:59 Tictock wrote:Fuck it On August 31 2016 06:41 Tictock wrote: I hate myself for caving to pressure.
Sorry Rels.
The things that coincide with these posts is that they needed to prevent Scott's lynch. Tictock, after over emphasising shennanigans, used the Blue claim as cover for the vote, then claimed giving into pressure. In Palmar's case, xyr last post states that xe doens't have to argue the vote switch, but then does so anyways. Not only is the timing suspicious, but the explanations are, too (as well as being completely unnecessary).
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Holyflare, who do you think we should lynch? I'm fine with any of the three I listed as Mafia, but my preference is either Scott or Palmar.
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On September 04 2016 19:33 scott31337 wrote:DanelerH These are your current reads that you have posted. You believe Palmar is mafia, is that correct? Show nested quote +On September 03 2016 22:41 DanelerH wrote: After looking through Trfel's filter, I don't see anything that points to xem being Mafia. As such, I'm going to place xem under Town. Here is my current list:
Town: Holyflare Vivax Geript Koshi Trfel
Mafia: Tictock Scott Palmar
Out of the ones listed under Mafia, I think we should lynch either Scott or Palmar. And this from Palmar. Show nested quote +On September 03 2016 00:03 Palmar wrote: I am not mafia, no idea why people still think that's really an option.
I don't have the energy to argue against the train of stupidity that's coming after me. so instead I'll just share what I think is relevant in this game and you guys can then either listen to me now, or you can listen to me later.
Koshi: Almost definitely town. He is, in his own bad way, trying to get the game solved. Also, it's literally his town meta to think I'm mafia and be wrong about it. He's also not just tunneling one thing (for example he's not just tunneling me, he's actually doing other stuff). I liked his case on TW at the time on day 1, although I don't really think TW is mafia but I might be wrong on that. He also gets a massive towncredit for pointing out geript's inconsistency during day 1.
Vivax: Essentially the same as Koshi, effort and stubbornness rating is through the roof compared to what I'd expect of mafia Vivax. He's also being a paranoid baddie which is something he excels at. He has also pointed out inconsistencies (specifically one by geript, I think) that was really good.
Trfel: To me, he's been completely under the radar this game. I might try to open his filter and read it before the evening, but so far I've essentially ignored most of his posts, which is often a good indication that someone is mafia (I tend to ignore mafia because their posts are usually bland and boring).
Scott: I liked one post by him on day 1 so weakest townread ever? I don't really know, another person I have less formed opinion on.
geript: Once again, he's almost lock mafia. His posting has been repeatedly proven to be out of touch with his own reality, and he's basically happy to sit back and let things happen.
Holyflare Another basically lock mafia. I'm almost more sure on him than geript. The main problem is that he barely cared during day 1, no matter how much he wants to make it look like he had a hand in the TW push. Then he came in late, helped with some shenanigans that to me made little sense (why didn't he try to shennie onto geript instead?). But even then he was light on actual content. Then during the night he starts hammering me for literally something he made up (trying to paint me bad for the Rels thing). there is 0% chance holyflare actually thinks what he says he's thinking. He's also quite a bit better at scumhunting than Koshi and Vivax and thus should know better than to think I'm mafia.
TW I don't know much about his posting today, but I sort of agreed with koshi's initial case, but he didn't sound like mafia when we were talking in the thread. So while I'm not gonna go overboard with it, I think he's more likely to be town.
Danieler No idea, not really read his filter much. I think I liked something he said, but I can't remember what or why. Like I don't have him in my mental "these people are scum" group.
Tictock Not really read up on him again. I basically gave him a townread when he posted the gif-reads on day 1 and I've not bothered with him since. Maybe it's time, but I think there's much higher mafia chance people. So tell me what is wrong with Palmar's post.
This post specifically? It's odd that you want me to look at a specific post, but here:
The main problem is that Palmar doesn't have an opinion on one person (Scott) and hasn't read the filters of three others (Trfel, DanelerH, Tictock). At that point in the game, that was nearly half the players.
Another issue I have with the post is the Geript read. As I have already said, it doesn't make sense for Geript to be Mafia. Granted, this was before the Day 2 lynch, but Palmar's read on Geript hasn't changed.
The last issue I have is giving Town-reads for ridiculous reasons. For Scott, it was because of liking a post on Day 1 (granted, Palmar admitted to this being a weak read and classified it as "no opinion"). For me, xe thinks xe liked something I said (but can't remember) and I'm "not in [xyr] mental 'these people are scum' group". For Tictock, it was because of liking the images for reads.
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On September 05 2016 02:29 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2016 23:56 DanelerH wrote:On September 04 2016 19:33 scott31337 wrote:DanelerH These are your current reads that you have posted. You believe Palmar is mafia, is that correct? On September 03 2016 22:41 DanelerH wrote: After looking through Trfel's filter, I don't see anything that points to xem being Mafia. As such, I'm going to place xem under Town. Here is my current list:
Town: Holyflare Vivax Geript Koshi Trfel
Mafia: Tictock Scott Palmar
Out of the ones listed under Mafia, I think we should lynch either Scott or Palmar. And this from Palmar. On September 03 2016 00:03 Palmar wrote: I am not mafia, no idea why people still think that's really an option.
I don't have the energy to argue against the train of stupidity that's coming after me. so instead I'll just share what I think is relevant in this game and you guys can then either listen to me now, or you can listen to me later.
Koshi: Almost definitely town. He is, in his own bad way, trying to get the game solved. Also, it's literally his town meta to think I'm mafia and be wrong about it. He's also not just tunneling one thing (for example he's not just tunneling me, he's actually doing other stuff). I liked his case on TW at the time on day 1, although I don't really think TW is mafia but I might be wrong on that. He also gets a massive towncredit for pointing out geript's inconsistency during day 1.
Vivax: Essentially the same as Koshi, effort and stubbornness rating is through the roof compared to what I'd expect of mafia Vivax. He's also being a paranoid baddie which is something he excels at. He has also pointed out inconsistencies (specifically one by geript, I think) that was really good.
Trfel: To me, he's been completely under the radar this game. I might try to open his filter and read it before the evening, but so far I've essentially ignored most of his posts, which is often a good indication that someone is mafia (I tend to ignore mafia because their posts are usually bland and boring).
Scott: I liked one post by him on day 1 so weakest townread ever? I don't really know, another person I have less formed opinion on.
geript: Once again, he's almost lock mafia. His posting has been repeatedly proven to be out of touch with his own reality, and he's basically happy to sit back and let things happen.
Holyflare Another basically lock mafia. I'm almost more sure on him than geript. The main problem is that he barely cared during day 1, no matter how much he wants to make it look like he had a hand in the TW push. Then he came in late, helped with some shenanigans that to me made little sense (why didn't he try to shennie onto geript instead?). But even then he was light on actual content. Then during the night he starts hammering me for literally something he made up (trying to paint me bad for the Rels thing). there is 0% chance holyflare actually thinks what he says he's thinking. He's also quite a bit better at scumhunting than Koshi and Vivax and thus should know better than to think I'm mafia.
TW I don't know much about his posting today, but I sort of agreed with koshi's initial case, but he didn't sound like mafia when we were talking in the thread. So while I'm not gonna go overboard with it, I think he's more likely to be town.
Danieler No idea, not really read his filter much. I think I liked something he said, but I can't remember what or why. Like I don't have him in my mental "these people are scum" group.
Tictock Not really read up on him again. I basically gave him a townread when he posted the gif-reads on day 1 and I've not bothered with him since. Maybe it's time, but I think there's much higher mafia chance people. So tell me what is wrong with Palmar's post. This post specifically? It's odd that you want me to look at a specific post, but here: The main problem is that Palmar doesn't have an opinion on one person (Scott) and hasn't read the filters of three others (Trfel, DanelerH, Tictock). At that point in the game, that was nearly half the players. Another issue I have with the post is the Geript read. As I have already said, it doesn't make sense for Geript to be Mafia. Granted, this was before the Day 2 lynch, but Palmar's read on Geript hasn't changed. The last issue I have is giving Town-reads for ridiculous reasons. For Scott, it was because of liking a post on Day 1 (granted, Palmar admitted to this being a weak read and classified it as "no opinion"). For me, xe thinks xe liked something I said (but can't remember) and I'm "not in [xyr] mental 'these people are scum' group". For Tictock, it was because of liking the images for reads. It's pretty weird you skipped my other post as well. Please expand on ridiculous reasons please. By "other post," I'm assuming you're referring to when you asked for my list. You already quoted it, so I saw no reason to respond with the same list twice. As for expanding on ridiculous reasons, I didn't see them as good reasons for Town-reads.
Scott: Liking one post barely got Scott a Town-read. It ended up being an "unformed opinion."
DanelerH: Liking one post, but not being able to remember it should land me in null. Not putting me in xyr "these people are scum" group is fine, but, in my opinion, should be a conclusion you come to after reading the filter (which Palmar did not do).
Tictock: Liking the images for reads. Do I really need to explain this one?
On September 05 2016 02:29 scott31337 wrote:It's like this post from Vivax - Show nested quote +On September 01 2016 10:39 scott31337 wrote:On September 01 2016 09:43 Vivax wrote:On September 01 2016 09:32 Trfel wrote: The thing I really don't like about Koshi, is why is he so confident about scott31337 being town?
I looked through Koshi's filter, and I didn't see any reasons that he gave that scott31337 is town. Koshi said that he built a town case on scott31337, so I missed it (please link?), but I'm not seeing anything.
I also saw where Koshi said that he doesn't think that scott31337 is mafia but he really could be. Since then, scott31337 has not done anything worth townreading him for (in my opinion anyway), but Koshi's become far more confident in scott31337 being town, for seemingly no reason. If anything, the vote count analysis makes scott31337 look scummier IMO, not townier.
So this really confuses me. You're just the hero I deserved. The shitty part about this game is that if you start making inquiries about people who suspect you, they start calling you a discreditor or dismiss all you write as omgus (disfo being the best example). I even admit to suspecting people who throw scum at me almost instinctively, which is why my play is the weakest when a lot of people suspect me. It just creates too many distractions for me to handle. Sure I could just not give a fuck and do it anyway but I've learned that it mostly hurts my already not very popular opinions. So while I do my scott thing you do this Koshi thing and we're gucci. Hope you enjoyed this post of self-awareness. Scum surely can learn something from it when it comes to tilting me. This post has townie feels or you just changed your "meta" so much that I've read before, fuck it man. I'm going back to watching Trump's speech though in my home town. ##Unvote This is just so from a town mindset I finally figured out he was just tunneled town - It was just one post. Do you think that was ridiculous too? Yes, especially since it had nothing to do with this game.
On September 05 2016 02:29 scott31337 wrote: Your reads seem quite opposite from Palmar and I and others.
I'll ask again -
I want to know who you think are the three mafia. Answered above.
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I think I'm probably going to vote for Scott.
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Because Palmar was the starting wagon, then it shifted to Tumblewood. It was never on Scott, except for one of Vivax's votes.
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Your lynch was also on Palmar. I was okay with the vote because Palmar was another person I was suspicious of. As for why I vote switched, the points on Tumblewood made sense and the vote on Palmar/Scott was clearly not going to happen.
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I just realized that I misread the Day 2 Lynch Count. Apparently there are two sections for votes on Scott for some reason.
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I still think Scott should be the lynch.
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On September 06 2016 04:38 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2016 04:31 Tictock wrote:On September 06 2016 01:09 Palmar wrote:On August 29 2016 19:00 Palmar wrote:On August 29 2016 18:45 Palmar wrote: geript's two long posts are awful. He quotes a bunch of my posts and gives random commentary, then proceeds to make his conclusion some joke about marv.
Also, Rels still afk? wow such caught. Like to elaborate further on the geript thing. It's of special notice that when he is posting, Rels is clearly running away with the vote, and as such, geript should be paying attention to that part of the game, yet all he says about my case is "i am not impressed" without giving any further reasoning about it. In his conclusion he states "Rels is useless as usual" or something like that, which is like the weakest possible stance you can take on the person currently up for lynch. Like I would've been fine if geript's criticism was actually explained, or thought out at all. His long posts really stick out as "I'm gonna quote a bunch of shit and add random commentary so it looks like I'm doing things". Essentially, despite the long form of his posts, what he has done is basically written a glorified list post that looks something like this: On August 29 2016 15:05 geript wrote:
Town HF Koshi Vivax
Leaning Town Trfel
Null Palmar Scott Rels
Scum Tumble RB disfo
Not that lists aren't fine, they're often a good way to gauge where someone stands on a game, but meeeehhh~~~ Also, he completely disregarded my point on RB which I still think is an excellent point. So yeah. geript's entrance is shit. On August 29 2016 23:21 Palmar wrote:The point is, geript was generally "suspicious" or at least "meh" on most of the things I posted (which is incidentally a very weak stance to take) and then he does this: On August 29 2016 14:45 geript wrote:On August 29 2016 07:29 Palmar wrote: Although just thinking that makes him like super likely to be town. Which kinda sucks, because it's a super "cheap" townread, but there is almost no way Race Bannon makes that post as mafia. Probably true, but I want to lynch him just for bringing it up. Notice the "probably true". He agrees with my logic (and it's perfect logic, my RB read is literlally the best thing in this thread). Geript actually agrees that objectively RB's thought process should lead people to conclude he is town. On August 29 2016 15:05 geript wrote: Overall: HF, Koshi and Vivax are probably town. I'll put them there for now at least. I think I'll put Ticktock up there too, but I feel a bit waffly about him. Palmar's in plammar limbo, if for no other reason than he hasn't convince Marv to play. Tumblewood, Race and Disinfo are probably scum; I'm tempted to throw Dane in there too but I kinda think he just doesn't know how to play. Trfel I'll figure out for sure when he makes an actual case, but I'd guess he's just bad town. Scott's sorta weird; like he seems to talk around issues; he's posting a bit more than I remember him usually posting. I sorta kinda like a bit of his stuff, but he avoids actual stuff and just seems to chip in to get other people to talk about stuff and that gives me the heebiejeebies. Rels is uselss as usual.
and yet he somehow ends up in geript's scumlist. Which basically proves the point that I was trying to make that geript's random commentary is just that, completely random and has no relevance to what he's actually thinking. His summary does not match with his commentary, because he's disassociated from his reads, ie: they're not real because they're not real. He's mafia. This is actually a really, really good day 1 case guys. Get in line. On September 01 2016 01:12 Palmar wrote:On September 01 2016 00:23 Vivax wrote:On August 29 2016 15:05 geript wrote:-snip- On August 29 2016 10:44 Tumblewood wrote:On August 29 2016 08:36 Tictock wrote:On August 29 2016 08:04 Tumblewood wrote:On August 29 2016 07:14 Race Bannon wrote: Tumblewood, Koshi. for me. waitwaitwait hold on all Koshi does is talk about himself and then quote a post and call me mafia and we're scumbuddies? no way I was tempted to call you scum as well before this post. Willing to townlean you for this though. thank you, I was proud of that read Wait, WTF???? This:
On August 29 2016 08:36 Tictock wrote:On August 29 2016 08:04 Tumblewood wrote:On August 29 2016 07:14 Race Bannon wrote: Tumblewood, Koshi. for me. waitwaitwait hold on all Koshi does is talk about himself and then quote a post and call me mafia and we're scumbuddies? no way I was tempted to call you scum as well before this post. Willing to townlean you for this though.
This is a reason to townread someone? That's a pretty fucking terrible reason to think anyone's town. That said: On August 29 2016 07:14 Race Bannon wrote: Tumblewood, Koshi. for me. This is really fucking weird pair to be scumreading. -snip- HF, Koshi and Vivax are probably town. I'll put them there for now at least. I think I'll put Ticktock up there too, but I feel a bit waffly about him. Palmar's in plammar limbo, if for no other reason than he hasn't convince Marv to play. Tumblewood, Race and Disinfo are probably scum; I'm tempted to throw Dane in there too but I kinda think he just doesn't know how to play. Trfel I'll figure out for sure when he makes an actual case, but I'd guess he's just bad town. Scott's sorta weird; like he seems to talk around issues; he's posting a bit more than I remember him usually posting. I sorta kinda like a bit of his stuff, but he avoids actual stuff and just seems to chip in to get other people to talk about stuff and that gives me the heebiejeebies. Rels is uselss as usual. On August 31 2016 05:37 geript wrote:On August 31 2016 05:34 Koshi wrote: Reread TW his last 2 pages and he is giving us nothing... He just plays on emotions. Trying to survive. I'm giving meds in between reading, can you give me like a point by point on why you think he's scum. so I can think about it while I filter him. The worst I found is this. Geript goes WTF on TW, then ends up calling TT's reason to TR somebody terrible. No mention of TW at all here. His comment wasn't as WTF as it looks to be, it's rather ignored to jump to what TT said. Yet geript somehow ends up putting TW as mafia. Later asks somebody to give him a summary for why TW is mafia when he's already supposed to have his own. Can't find any besides an earlier mention of minus points for TW refusing to explain Palmar suspicion.Main point still is that geript had TW as scum for unclear reasons earlier, which he completely forgot around EoD when he wasted his vote on Danieler when he could have at least lynched scott for giving him the heebiejeebies. This here is a very similar (and very valid) point to the one I made on day 1 regarding geript's RB read. The concept is exactly the same: geript doesn't have any kind of internal consistency in his reads. I'm fine with people changing their minds, but this isn't as much changing his mind as it is just him saying random stuff at random times. On September 05 2016 20:29 Palmar wrote: I'm voting geript.
He has twice shown massive inconsistencies in his own reads.
He has done almost nothing to move the game in whatever direction he wants to take it.
He only comments on the game occasionally, and usually with little impact. Geript has been extreamly dull to me this game. I recall him having a bit more personality and drive. Votes/pushes have indeed felt pretty uninterested. Yea I could sheep this. I'd rather convince Palmar to switch to Trfel, but if he will not, This will be my #2. I feel the least confident about geript, and that's mostly because Dandel could be mafia instead. The Geript/Dandel reads I feel the weakest on. And if we do switch to Geript, we all do (Koshi/you/me) I want five on it if HF votes for geript as well.
Holyflare is voting for Geript.
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Alright. I'll vote for Geript. A Scott vote doesn't look like it will go anywhere and Geript is looking like a good lynch.
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I'm calling Scott/Palmar/Tictock.
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I didn't think it was Holyflare and Koshi. Looks like I only got 1/3 right.
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