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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On September 06 2016 06:27 Vivax wrote: Bruh you need to play on holidays you have more potential than that. We could have been a good team this game, for a change. @ disfo "what are you doing" referred to mostly you trying to argue I was mafia when I thought it was obvious it wasn't the case, so it was veiled criticism of you pushing me, not of your overall play. My scum play is really weak, I felt sort of improved in my last scum game but still, it lacks flexibility and activity. Go read a few of my scum games when you don't feel sure about me. @ Damdred Thx for the <3 friend, we southerners need to stick together  @ game in general In games like these I really regret games not being more IML. Might host/cohost one myself. Only problem is people posting after hammers which is hard to mod, but it really makes the game more interesting and fast. @ Host Really appreciate the effort going into hosting here., it was super smooth. I'm just going to be honest, I don't read all of the flavour you write, but I hope you had fun writing it up. yeah, after calming down and being dead I figured that I probably just took it way worse than it was intended. -.- I blame lack of sleep/too much coffee/being to stressed. I think I had you town before exploding and I think my scum read in obs was kinda half-assed. xD | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On September 06 2016 06:49 Holyflare wrote: I've also been perma banned at work from mafia so no more mafia from me It was hard enough being able to post at work to begin with. aw. that sucks. I enjoyed playing with you, even if you owned me hard this game. hope the future is brighter and we get to play again at some point. | ||
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Tumblewood
United States3709 Posts
lazy postgame analysis: I personally pushed my lazy meta too far, which led to me getting lynched, among other things. I will probably not sign up for the next game until I know my schedule is stable and I can consistently maintain activity. on the reads side, I rewarded activity which caused me to miss Koshi and Hf entirely. my reads were muddled even in my own head for this game, and I had trouble picking Palmar out from all the players who were widely scumread. this largely did not matter because I had to vote the survival wagon instead of my reads anyway. town as a whole did a very bad job with activity, which made it hard for us to organize and get a reasonable consensus. sometimes even a consensus that is wrong is better than everyone going in different directions. vivax had his head up his ass most of the game. nothing to see there disfo was possibly town's last hope; he and Trfel were the only active townies who were playing well. I understand why he got angry and claimed although I wish he didn't, or wish that situation that made him so mad would not have come up. Dane felt very disconnected from the rest of the thread. he said things but hardly said them to anyone; I found myself ignoring him much of the time, though he has promise and I am glad to see him sign up for another game. Scott played one of his better games, actually. unfortunately he could not gain traction in thread due to lowish thread presence and some early scumreads on him. geript's entrance was the death of him. perhaps things could have gone differently if everyone weren't on his ass from d1. rb basically did nothing well. I oppose the strategy of not looking at your role pm day 1 as it grants an unfair advantage as scum, and it was incredibly stupid to do that and post a screenshot of your inbox. rb has definitely annoyed me ever since his first two games and I don't want to play any more with this person. rels was inactive. perhaps an earlier claim could have saved him, but truly it's hopeless if you're gone for so much of the cycle. not much to say about it I can't write fairly about tictock because he continually pissed me off this game and I was super tunneled on him by the time I died. I am disappointed Palmar didn't feel like his usual self, but he avoided being overtly scummy enough to survive till endgame. Hf made a good if overkill choice in being the only player to try on d2 and d3. he did a good job of flying under the radar this game. Koshi is much improved. I am kinda salty about this one because Koshi genuinely pissed me off, a lot, this game and that's something I would hope to only come from town. the scum team outplayed town by being more active than the entire town and taking advantage of the mess town was. I hope not to see such poor town play again from such good players. btw does this game qualify as most experienced 3-person scum team? thanks again to the hosts and props to the scum team. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
Gg fellow townie sry for being afk Gg hosts it was a very well hosted game! | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On September 06 2016 07:08 Tumblewood wrote: I can't write fairly about tictock because he continually pissed me off this game and I was super tunneled on him by the time I died. Just out of curiosity what did I do that pissed you off so badly? + Show Spoiler + I also find it Ironic that I did piss you off when you started out scumreading me for being too nice >.< | ||
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Race Bannon
689 Posts
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Tumblewood
United States3709 Posts
On September 06 2016 07:24 Tictock wrote: Just out of curiosity what did I do that pissed you off so badly? + Show Spoiler + I also find it Ironic that I did piss you off when you started out scumreading me for being too nice >.< because I thought you were scum doing things that really irritate me when scum does them. it turns out it was actually Koshi doing that though | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
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scott31337
United States2979 Posts
I appreciate the flavor but some of it I don't read. all I saw was Brave Soul. | ||
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Race Bannon
689 Posts
On August 30 2016 23:21 Race Bannon wrote: Rereading the thread now, I'm at #180; having fun. As soon as I get bored I'll pause to post some reads. Expect awesomeness. Ok, I've decided not to post the above, am writing this instead and plan to copy it and keep reading and adding. When I will eventually paste and post, it will look and feel like this giant snowball of scumbarelaying nightmare for scum. And then I'll vote scum, superlatively formatted. This. I expect scum to slip when they're being questioned about a post, as opposed to during the initial post. In this case I think Vivax gave himself away when he failed to censor out the wording which indicates a conspiratorial approach to this conversation. He says "other reasons", as if fostering an air of mystery around the faction which he is a part of, whereas town would ask "is he more protective of Rels because of mafia reasons". ##vote: Vivax If Vivax's initial platform for the case on scott (what grack did as scum in 72h) has merit, then I'm entitled to compare Palmar's post with Rels' (also endgaming scum), where he said they should never make use of the quicklynch mechanic. It's in the ballpark of trying to establish an early authoritatively presence in terms of agenda. But frankly I don't think it has merit, for one because I believe Vivax is scum. Meta is very unreliable as base for a case, but in this case it's not even the meta of the suspect, rather some random meta from a recent game; so that's double trouble. Furthermore I'd expect a disciplined townie, which I think Vivax is judging by how he kept his cool during LightningStrike's vulgar, verbal assault on him in Onegu I game, I expect him to let the case speak for itself, instead of showing aggressive bullying tactics, to promote its apparent quality, I believe for the sake of looking townie because emotions are townread more often than not. And again, I feel like he grounded his case on someone else's meta, so objectively speaking it's not going to fly as a real case. If anything I think people make a conscious habbit of rehashing their exact behavioral pattern from their towngames, as scum, in games where the same players are present. So I remember Koshi bringing up the exact same argument about me not having the balls to do whatever I did in my scumgame. Therefore this looks more like a manipulation designed specifically for me to get a meta townread on him, bearing in mind that we've interacted enough for him to catch and try to anchor my attention in this preconceived way. The fact that he voiced and kept claiming suspicion against me, for no reason, speaks for this as well. Anyone who says I'm scummy looks very bad, but for some reason geript is getting more votes, despite Koshi being the scummier of the two from this perspective. The thing about geript is .. to use Koshi's attempt at alignment indication .. would scum geript say he agrees with Palmar and then scumread me like a boss anyway? I think not, and lynching geript today could mean lynching a valuable, methodical asset to town, and one of the biggest threats to scum domination. Do not! I repeat, no lyncherinho geript today.. pl0x I could've said this as vt, pr, scum or sk.. I repeat, it was a wifom reaction test. No. Turn around, walk a few steps and stay put at maybe. This is my Koshi & Vivax are scum addendum. Don't lynch disfo, Holyflare, geript today. I had one here. 2/3 of Palmar and 1/3 of Koshi. Should've known you western euros think the same way. rb: If Vivax's initial platform for the case on scott (what grack did as scum in 72h) has merit, then I'm entitled to compare Palmar's post with Rels' (also endgaming scum), where he said they should never make use of the quicklynch mechanic. It's in the ballpark of trying to establish an early authoritatively presence in terms of agenda. But frankly I don't think it has merit, for one because I believe Vivax is scum. Meta is very unreliable as base for a case, but in this case it's not even the meta of the suspect, rather some random meta from a recent game; so that's double trouble. And Koshi.. I should've gottenyou lynched when you said I don't understand your addendum bs. Nobody wanted that outcome just yet.. but day 2 would've been a fieldday. day3: y u no dead? day4: srsly But I have to say I'm really impressed by your insta townread.. took balls.. alsotalking to Koshi about it.. he seemed clueless why he was scumreading me. My bad, Iwas in rant mode. Palmar.. buddying up to me with the reply ..uuuuuhugh. so scummy I feel, all over.GG Nice one disfo, rels, me. Vivax teach disfo to b cool, and rels to drive less .. 5 warming and polution's sake take a bus, train, kite, portal, astral projector, telepathy etc. And do something about the triumph arch roundabout .. it's too funny. | ||
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
On September 06 2016 06:12 beentheredonethat wrote: So here's some stuff I learned from this game: Role PMs Problem: The VT role PM contained fluff that was different to the in-thread role fluff. Solution: Send fluff in role PMs that is in the OP. OP Organization Problem: The OP contained of multiple posts that required a lot of scrolling to read. Solution: Most important stuff was located at the bottom. Use spoiler tags to hide "common" rules. Put the most important stuff in a post at the very top of the OP. Player Signups Problem: Accepting Race Bannon included a risk of having to modkill him for several reasons. I should not have taken that risk. Solution: Do not allow signups from players that have a risk of damaging the game. Activity Problem: I did not put in an activity requirement as I did not want to wield the ban hammer as a first-time host. The game slowed down rather fast D2 and it was, ironically enough, mainly scum that kept it alive. Solution: Have a harsh activity requirement in future games. Ensure players can and will be active by reviewing /ins more detailed pregame. You did well hosting, I am glad you asked my thoughts on things first you did well. On the signup thing, follow the ban list you may have one problem but they fix themselves, RB won't be playing for a while. You will just be passing the buck forward to other hosts to deal with. And the activity thing, don't force it. Let town police it, you can't modkill for it really as it hurts the game and giving post game bans for it reduce the player pool when we already don't have many players to start. | ||
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
On September 06 2016 06:49 Holyflare wrote: I've also been perma banned at work from mafia so no more mafia from me It was hard enough being able to post at work to begin with. Sad face. Don't they realize you need a outlet. You can't just be around rape victim statements all day. #FreeHolyflare | ||
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
You will learn a lot about building a themed game and what goes into it. You don't need to play Dota and that might be the better option if you don't play so we make sure the game isn't confusing for people who don't play Dota 2. | ||
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Lunaticman
Sweden1097 Posts
The scumteam was really op and with town losing both blues early I have no idea how they would turn that game around. I would add something to the list of things to change as host and that is micromanagement is exhausting. I was a bit sad that the fluff was a bit unflexible I was prepares to write a lot of it, but I quickly realized it didnt matter since it was not correct enough for Bt. It was very demoralizing for me and I got a bit upset when you didnt give me credit in postgame. The same could be said about vote counts but to be fair I wasnt around for most of them. If everything has to be perfect and there is no room for improvment I dont even know why you let me cohost since apperantly you talked more to Hts and blazinghand? I dont really think that in itself is bad but I do feel that sometimes deligation is good without micromanagement. If for example we agree Im doing a votecount let me do it and dont sweep in an take it when you said you would be gone. Sorry for the rant I do think you are lovely Bt I just think I could have helped you better if you let me <3 | ||
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Superbia
Netherlands8889 Posts
Palmar and HF went at each other d1 (iirc) but this died out really quietly. When two veterans go at each other there's usually a good reason (if one of them is town). Moreover, it should have a result. A conclusion. Instead, it felt like it reached a status quo. Neither of them seemed interested in each other. Ask yourself, at that point, why? What happened to their convictions earlier, and why do they seem less and less interested in each other the longer the game went (and the more town died, and the more mafia was winning)? Instead (or on top of) of analysing filters and posts, take a step back and look at what players are actually doing. As the game progresses and the town is losing, how does it affect a player? If player A thinks player B is scum during d1. And the game progresses without any mafia kills. And both players are alive. Is it not more likely that player A would revisit his scum-read on player B? Ok end of the rant-esque post. I don't want to take anything away from the scum team, as they played very well, but I think town could've definitely taken this one based on interactions. | ||
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beentheredonethat
2934 Posts
On September 06 2016 15:08 Lunaticman wrote: It was a great game to watch and I learned a few things that will be important if I want to host in the future. The scumteam was really op and with town losing both blues early I have no idea how they would turn that game around. I would add something to the list of things to change as host and that is micromanagement is exhausting. I was a bit sad that the fluff was a bit unflexible I was prepares to write a lot of it, but I quickly realized it didnt matter since it was not correct enough for Bt. It was very demoralizing for me and I got a bit upset when you didnt give me credit in postgame. The same could be said about vote counts but to be fair I wasnt around for most of them. If everything has to be perfect and there is no room for improvment I dont even know why you let me cohost since apperantly you talked more to Hts and blazinghand? I dont really think that in itself is bad but I do feel that sometimes deligation is good without micromanagement. If for example we agree Im doing a votecount let me do it and dont sweep in an take it when you said you would be gone. Sorry for the rant I do think you are lovely Bt I just think I could have helped you better if you let me <3 So first things first, I gave a shoutout post-game for all the helpers: On September 06 2016 06:17 beentheredonethat wrote: I might have overreacted to some stuff that was going on but I had great help in my co-hosts, Blazinghand, and Half the Sky. Really, I cannot thank all of them enough for the ongoing support. "my co-hosts", that's you and Onegu  . I consulted Blazinghand and Half the Sky mainly for the Race Bannon issue as I felt like neither you, Luna, nor me were able to judge what he was doing on our own. Since Onegu was not available for the whole time, I felt like consulting experienced hosts would be a good way to start. Luna's help was greatly appreciated and he was awesome. We thought that Race Bannon might actually be a Alakaslam smurf and Luna basically did all the investigative work, which I summarized and sent to Blazinghand for further judgement (For those interested: it might be that they're the same person but there is no way for us to prove it at this point). Also, Luna provided fluff several times which was absolutely great. I didn't like the way the fluff was put up in the first place, thematically, it was set in space, not on the planet, so I declined - I would rate that as a misunderstanding and if I was too harsh tone-wise, I'm really sorry! I loved the fluff you put up in the D2 kill. Regarding votecounts: whenever I was there and had time, I tried to put together a votecount. You can do that too, Luna - you do not need to ask. Just go ahead, do it, and let the other hosts know you did it. You can notify the others via the QT, I checked it almost once in an hour to be honest. I think another mistake I made was that I wanted to do all by myself. I wanted to have control of the game for each and every second of it. Also, once Race Bannon had sent me those ultimatum PMs, I didn't dare to leave the thread for more than like 30 minutes or so as I feared he'd post game relevant information. Since it was my first game as a host, I was really eager to get everything correct. Which led to situations like "hey, can someone do a votecount?" - 5 minutes later, no reply - "ahhh fuck it I'll do it". I need to work on that and I really want to apologize, Luna, if you still feel blocked after what I just explained. I fully trust you as a co-host and I loved to have those skype conversations we had, they were a great help and I enjoyed them also on a personal level. I just need to learn to delegate stuff I guess . No hard feelings, thanks for the honest feedback! | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On September 06 2016 06:48 Damdred wrote: The claim might of been bad (it wasn't optimal i will say that) but i don't think it affected the game in the way you think it did, you were obvious town and had already been deemed as the kill from what I understood it. We have had much much worse claims and cc. I still don't know how palmar gets away with it every time being alive for so long </3 and never catching scum. Well, it was a mistake and thus I want to acknowledge it as such. On September 06 2016 13:59 Onegu wrote: Also I lol'd hard when I saw the scum team. Btdt was like I don't know any of these players, palmar is a good player. Yeah, I would have had a laughing fit upon seeing that, too. xD On September 06 2016 16:12 Superbia wrote: A small tip for future players: Next time take a step back and look at the game as a whole and then evaluate what role everyone is playing. Palmar and HF went at each other d1 (iirc) but this died out really quietly. When two veterans go at each other there's usually a good reason (if one of them is town). Moreover, it should have a result. A conclusion. Instead, it felt like it reached a status quo. Neither of them seemed interested in each other. Ask yourself, at that point, why? What happened to their convictions earlier, and why do they seem less and less interested in each other the longer the game went (and the more town died, and the more mafia was winning)? Instead (or on top of) of analysing filters and posts, take a step back and look at what players are actually doing. As the game progresses and the town is losing, how does it affect a player? If player A thinks player B is scum during d1. And the game progresses without any mafia kills. And both players are alive. Is it not more likely that player A would revisit his scum-read on player B? Ok end of the rant-esque post. I don't want to take anything away from the scum team, as they played very well, but I think town could've definitely taken this one based on interactions. That is actually pretty good advise. Will try to keep that in mind. Also general thoughts about the game, from my pov before I exploded: My reads D1 are pretty wonky. They get better as the games progresses and I can use VCA/PoE and filter diving later in the game. My goals for D1 are trying to get TR as much as possible, so I don't get ML (since I cant waffle about my own role PM) and trying to find a strong TR to sheep. I was really struggling on the later part, cause I was a bit iffy about most ppl this game... Like with the interactions between koshi/palmar/hf and geript I thought at least one would be scum, maybe two, but I couldn't figure out who. Sheeping HF on Rels was kinda bad because of this and other reasons as well. Probably need to work on my D1 reads a bit. | ||
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Lunaticman
Sweden1097 Posts
On September 06 2016 16:49 beentheredonethat wrote: So first things first, I gave a shoutout post-game for all the helpers: "my co-hosts", that's you and Onegu . I consulted Blazinghand and Half the Sky mainly for the Race Bannon issue as I felt like neither you, Luna, nor me were able to judge what he was doing on our own. Since Onegu was not available for the whole time, I felt like consulting experienced hosts would be a good way to start. Luna's help was greatly appreciated and he was awesome. We thought that Race Bannon might actually be a Alakaslam smurf and Luna basically did all the investigative work, which I summarized and sent to Blazinghand for further judgement (For those interested: it might be that they're the same person but there is no way for us to prove it at this ). Also, Luna provided fluff several times which was absolutely great. I didn't like the way the fluff was put up in the first place, thematically, it was set in space, not on the planet, so I declined - I would rate that as a misunderstanding and if I was too harsh tone-wise, I'm really sorry! I loved the fluff you put up in the D2 kill. Regarding votecounts: whenever I was there and had time, I tried to put together a votecount. You can do that too, Luna - you do not need to ask. Just go ahead, do it, and let the other hosts know you did it. You can notify the others via the QT, I checked it almost once in an hour to be honest. I think another mistake I made was that I wanted to do all by myself. I wanted to have control of the game for each and every second of it. Also, once Race Bannon had sent me those ultimatum PMs, I didn't dare to leave the thread for more than like 30 minutes or so as I feared he'd post game relevant information. Since it was my first game as a host, I was really eager to get everything correct. Which led to situations like "hey, can someone do a votecount?" - 5 minutes later, no reply - "ahhh fuck it I'll do it". I need to work on that and I really want to apologize, Luna, if you still feel blocked after what I just explained. I fully trust you as a co-host and I loved to have those skype conversations we had, they were a great help and I enjoyed them also on a personal level. I just need to learn to delegate stuff I guess . No hard feelings, thanks for the honest feedback! Omg this is such a beautiful post, I enjoyed our conversations too and I hope for more of them in the future. Im really glad you understood what I was trying to say! Please have my man babies <3 | ||
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