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On September 01 2016 15:12 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2016 14:59 Trfel wrote:
We are not allowed to no lynch and two mislynches loses us the game.
Scott, I don't get why its so upsetting to lose the cop. It's unfortunate and it happened, but that obviously wasn't what Vivax was trying to do. Yes the game is hard but it can still be solved Why do you see it wasn't what he was trying to do? My opinion is he was trying to upset and press people (and if he's mafia and know he's town) press people and piss them off. Dis lost it. Like I said, I don't give a fuck anymore. I think you're a prodding town. I'm sorry that the game is this frustrating, it's really not meant to be 
I'm back on my computer now and will try to read some filters and stuff. But maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to take a break...
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Actually, I just remembered this.
Makes me wonder about Vivax....... Checking some things.
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On September 01 2016 15:24 Trfel wrote:Actually, I just remembered this. Makes me wonder about Vivax....... Checking some things. No, Vivax's scumread onto Palmar is a lot more original than I remembered. It does feel off that Vivax isn't tinfoiling everything like crazy, but he's actually doing things and driving the game forward. The sudden switch to scumreading disformation shows some elements of the old tinfoily town Vivax, maybe, too.
I guess I still think Vivax is town.
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I'm trying to determine whether mafia Tumblewood would meta mafia ticktock to make him look bad. I'm thinking it's unlikely.
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On September 01 2016 15:50 Holyflare wrote:
I'm trying to determine whether mafia Tumblewood would meta mafia ticktock to make him look bad. I'm thinking it's unlikely.
Didn't TW give TT a town meta read?
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I could've sworn it was one of those two who mate a post close to:
(Answering "why did you town read him)
"Because he correctly meta read me". But for the life of me I can't find it.
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On September 01 2016 16:22 geript wrote:
I could've sworn it was one of those two who mate a post close to:
(Answering "why did you town read him)
"Because he correctly meta read me". But for the life of me I can't find it. That was disformation.
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On September 01 2016 16:31 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2016 16:22 geript wrote:
I could've sworn it was one of those two who mate a post close to:
(Answering "why did you town read him)
"Because he correctly meta read me". But for the life of me I can't find it. That was disformation.
You think Dane is town right?
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On September 01 2016 16:35 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2016 16:31 Trfel wrote:On September 01 2016 16:22 geript wrote:
I could've sworn it was one of those two who mate a post close to:
(Answering "why did you town read him)
"Because he correctly meta read me". But for the life of me I can't find it. That was disformation. You think Dane is town right? Correct. Do you have a read on him other than bad?
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Idk, usually when I'm town with Vivax we butt heads and yell at each other, or in the least don't get along. Usually I don't find him posting decent stuff and I want to lynch him for it. Like I haven't felt that way this game. Like I don't want to lynch him. Just thinking.
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On September 01 2016 16:39 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2016 16:35 geript wrote:On September 01 2016 16:31 Trfel wrote:On September 01 2016 16:22 geript wrote:
I could've sworn it was one of those two who mate a post close to:
(Answering "why did you town read him)
"Because he correctly meta read me". But for the life of me I can't find it. That was disformation. You think Dane is town right? Correct. Do you have a read on him other than bad?
I've kinda been going through filters in reverse (most recent to earliest). In thinking how the game has gone, like if Dane is scum he can fit in almost any scum team.
The night kill feels like a veteran decision; kill the claim and leave the vets arguing with each other. Objectively speaking, I think you/Koshi/Vivax have to most to gain from that since none of you are really center of attention, but I think any Vet makes that shot. So I'm kinda thinking about the scum team as a whole. Vivax can kinda be with anyone. Koshi/HF/Palmar, at least two have to be town; I'm kinda wondering/thinking if HF and Palmar both can bet town. Like I really don't think HF is scum, maybe I'm bad this game but I don't. I read Palmar poorly, but he really likes to lynch me, especially when he's scum and extra especially when I town read him and he's scum. There's a million reasons for me to think he's scum, but if there's a Vet who's mafia, I think it's one of you/Koshi/Vivax. Like Palmar as scum usually doesn't acquiesce to a lynch not of his choice. He'd be ok with lynching a role, which makes his vote a bit suspect. He's not hammer of justice Palmar. But he's also not hitting all the little things I'd expect of scum Palmar either. Idk, I guess I don't really have a point to make, but your reads flow chart post got me thinking.
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On September 01 2016 16:39 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2016 16:35 geript wrote:On September 01 2016 16:31 Trfel wrote:On September 01 2016 16:22 geript wrote:
I could've sworn it was one of those two who mate a post close to:
(Answering "why did you town read him)
"Because he correctly meta read me". But for the life of me I can't find it. That was disformation. You think Dane is town right? Correct. Do you have a read on him other than bad?
Sorry I'm bad at answering directly, but I really like my point about him being so "black and white." Like usually newer players have a big lack of confidence. The make these wish you washy posts that meander in bad ways. But his posts feel so rigid. Like he spends time to structure them. And that's what bugs me. Because usually newer town players even when coached don't feel that way.
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Well, I have to wake up in three hours, so that's it for me. I tried to do some lazy POE stuff but it didn't end up with anything eye-opening.
In short, I really like DanelerH because in addition to his play feeling honest and open (example that he said he didn't think we could play at night), it doesn't feel like he's playing for survival or for townreads, but rather actually thinking about the game. One example of this is his early scumread on Koshi, another is not caving in to Holyflare's pressure and looking at disformation.
I'm actually not as sure on scott31337 being mafia, his latest series of posts felt more towny due to the emotions. And geript's play has started to feel more and more like I'd expect from him as town; not so much the immediately solving the game part, but the thought process.
On the other hand, Tumblewood and Tictock feel worse and worse to me. Tumblewood still hasn't done anything really other than that Tictock read, and he hasn't felt very involved at all, or motivated to play the game other than that one burst of activity to survive the lynch. For Tictock, his End of Day seemed really bad, and there was some other stuff which I'm forgetting because I'm too tired, but I dunno. I guess I kind of forgot why I thought he was mafia, I'll have to look at him again later.
Still haven't looked at Palmar at all.... And a bit paranoid of Vivax and maybe maaaaaybe Koshi.
Voting for Tumblewood.
Good night.
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On September 01 2016 17:02 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2016 16:39 Trfel wrote:On September 01 2016 16:35 geript wrote:On September 01 2016 16:31 Trfel wrote:On September 01 2016 16:22 geript wrote:
I could've sworn it was one of those two who mate a post close to:
(Answering "why did you town read him)
"Because he correctly meta read me". But for the life of me I can't find it. That was disformation. You think Dane is town right? Correct. Do you have a read on him other than bad? Sorry I'm bad at answering directly, but I really like my point about him being so "black and white." Like usually newer players have a big lack of confidence. The make these wish you washy posts that meander in bad ways. But his posts feel so rigid. Like he spends time to structure them. And that's what bugs me. Because usually newer town players even when coached don't feel that way. I guess we have different opinions about newer players, then. I want to say that I'm right and you're wrong, but I respect your opinion a lot and you've also spent plenty of time coaching newbies and analyzing newbie games.
I feel like some newbies do appear as very constructed and rigid, like I thought it was decently common? But I'll take a closer look at your point later.
Good night.
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On September 01 2016 17:06 Trfel wrote:
Well, I have to wake up in three hours, so that's it for me. I tried to do some lazy POE stuff but it didn't end up with anything eye-opening.
In short, I really like DanelerH because in addition to his play feeling honest and open (example that he said he didn't think we could play at night), it doesn't feel like he's playing for survival or for townreads, but rather actually thinking about the game. One example of this is his early scumread on Koshi, another is not caving in to Holyflare's pressure and looking at disformation.
I'm actually not as sure on scott31337 being mafia, his latest series of posts felt more towny due to the emotions. And geript's play has started to feel more and more like I'd expect from him as town; not so much the immediately solving the game part, but the thought process.
On the other hand, Tumblewood and Tictock feel worse and worse to me. Tumblewood still hasn't done anything really other than that Tictock read, and he hasn't felt very involved at all, or motivated to play the game other than that one burst of activity to survive the lynch. For Tictock, his End of Day seemed really bad, and there was some other stuff which I'm forgetting because I'm too tired, but I dunno. I guess I kind of forgot why I thought he was mafia, I'll have to look at him again later.
Still haven't looked at Palmar at all.... And a bit paranoid of Vivax and maybe maaaaaybe Koshi.
Voting for Tumblewood.
Good night.
It's kinda funny that you say this, but those two do seem to associate a bunch together. I done know either of their play patterns, but they feel like they're both town or scum together. Not that that's worth much.
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Which two? Tictock and Tumblewood?
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Sorry. I'm nodding off. I only work 8 tomorrow so I should be good for 4 hours after work.
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On September 01 2016 15:50 Holyflare wrote:
I'm trying to determine whether mafia Tumblewood would meta mafia ticktock to make him look bad. I'm thinking it's unlikely.
So you're saying tw would bus tt like that? I'm not so sure tbh seems like a lot of effort to go to? Can someone link me some tw mafi games?
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I am going to be busy with the month-end closing, I could multitask but I don't want to.
Palmar -into-> Vivax -into-> don't care yet.
##vote Palmar
Things everybody needs to understand:
Palmar is lock mafia.
Koshi can't be mafia.
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