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On August 12 2016 09:10 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2016 08:30 Holyflare wrote:
My initial plan was to unclaim on Gb if he tried to play or at least be sensible and subsequently draw a shot later. You can see me try and talk to GB through the day and I did see gleams of town GB with the giving up and it's part of the reason I kept telling him to try and solve the game and arguing with him instead of afking on it. However, he didn't vote, he completely ignored SL's posts that made SL almost confirmed mafia to himself and he was stuck on his one read from the start of day 1.
I'm definitely disappointed and ashamed that he solely joined up to claim blue and afk but obviously part of it is my fault too. Bold is right and wrong. Right that he didn't vote, wrong that he ignored SL comments, and in fact, said they were town.
Nono he didn't even acknowledge the miller and role cop thing which would/should have made him go crazy.
On August 11 2016 22:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Like, again, I've never questioned your night actions, I have no idea why you're coming up with that.
I also don't understand how you can say that SL has too much insight on me when he calls me Miller (I didn't see that post?) and you jump on him calling him Mafia and never dropping that read when, well, he couldn't have too much insight because you think I'm Mafia and you said that two millers is impossible.
What I'm trying to say is: you either believe I'm Mafia and SL is stupid town considering I'm Miller, or you believe SL had TMI, then I'm town and he is Mafia. You can't call us both Mafia, and that's what you're doing.
Here's the thing that I posted.
On August 11 2016 22:47 Holyflare wrote:
Because nobody's first fucking thought on a cop check on a day where i would have likely got you lynched without it would be "oh holyflare could be role cop and gb miller," that's CRAZY and yes sl says dumb shit but it makes me paranoid.
I also said two millers is unlikely, not impossible.
I am also not fake claiming.
Basically it shows that I was super paranoid that he was towny which makes sense if I don't know his alignment!!! I was getting crazy paranoid with SL's posts and now it fits in perfectly hence why to gb it looked like I was calling them both mafia.
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On August 12 2016 09:15 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2016 09:13 Shapelog wrote:On August 12 2016 09:03 Grackaroni wrote:
Methinks it's Shapelog for reasons unknown. Somehow forgets the reason why he thinks I was scum earlier. Is this supposed to be a scum trait?
Idk,
is your role PM red?
(I actually convinced myself to do more, so stand by)
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On August 12 2016 09:18 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2016 09:10 Shapelog wrote:On August 12 2016 08:30 Holyflare wrote:
My initial plan was to unclaim on Gb if he tried to play or at least be sensible and subsequently draw a shot later. You can see me try and talk to GB through the day and I did see gleams of town GB with the giving up and it's part of the reason I kept telling him to try and solve the game and arguing with him instead of afking on it. However, he didn't vote, he completely ignored SL's posts that made SL almost confirmed mafia to himself and he was stuck on his one read from the start of day 1.
I'm definitely disappointed and ashamed that he solely joined up to claim blue and afk but obviously part of it is my fault too. Bold is right and wrong. Right that he didn't vote, wrong that he ignored SL comments, and in fact, said they were town. Nono he didn't even acknowledge the miller and role cop thing which would/should have made him go crazy. Show nested quote +On August 11 2016 22:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Like, again, I've never questioned your night actions, I have no idea why you're coming up with that.
I also don't understand how you can say that SL has too much insight on me when he calls me Miller (I didn't see that post?) and you jump on him calling him Mafia and never dropping that read when, well, he couldn't have too much insight because you think I'm Mafia and you said that two millers is impossible.
What I'm trying to say is: you either believe I'm Mafia and SL is stupid town considering I'm Miller, or you believe SL had TMI, then I'm town and he is Mafia. You can't call us both Mafia, and that's what you're doing. Here's the thing that I posted. Show nested quote +On August 11 2016 22:47 Holyflare wrote:
Because nobody's first fucking thought on a cop check on a day where i would have likely got you lynched without it would be "oh holyflare could be role cop and gb miller," that's CRAZY and yes sl says dumb shit but it makes me paranoid.
I also said two millers is unlikely, not impossible.
I am also not fake claiming.
Basically it shows that I was super paranoid that he was towny which makes sense if I don't know his alignment!!! I was getting crazy paranoid with SL's posts and now it fits in perfectly hence why to gb it looked like I was calling them both mafia.
Well I mean he did acknowledge it actually but not in a proper context and I guess it should have been my responsibility to press gb onto it more too but I do admit to some confirmation bias on gb being mafia.
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On August 12 2016 09:18 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2016 09:10 Shapelog wrote:On August 12 2016 08:30 Holyflare wrote:
My initial plan was to unclaim on Gb if he tried to play or at least be sensible and subsequently draw a shot later. You can see me try and talk to GB through the day and I did see gleams of town GB with the giving up and it's part of the reason I kept telling him to try and solve the game and arguing with him instead of afking on it. However, he didn't vote, he completely ignored SL's posts that made SL almost confirmed mafia to himself and he was stuck on his one read from the start of day 1.
I'm definitely disappointed and ashamed that he solely joined up to claim blue and afk but obviously part of it is my fault too. Bold is right and wrong. Right that he didn't vote, wrong that he ignored SL comments, and in fact, said they were town. Nono he didn't even acknowledge the miller and role cop thing which would/should have made him go crazy. Show nested quote +On August 11 2016 22:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Like, again, I've never questioned your night actions, I have no idea why you're coming up with that.
I also don't understand how you can say that SL has too much insight on me when he calls me Miller (I didn't see that post?) and you jump on him calling him Mafia and never dropping that read when, well, he couldn't have too much insight because you think I'm Mafia and you said that two millers is impossible.
What I'm trying to say is: you either believe I'm Mafia and SL is stupid town considering I'm Miller, or you believe SL had TMI, then I'm town and he is Mafia. You can't call us both Mafia, and that's what you're doing. Here's the thing that I posted. Show nested quote +On August 11 2016 22:47 Holyflare wrote:
Because nobody's first fucking thought on a cop check on a day where i would have likely got you lynched without it would be "oh holyflare could be role cop and gb miller," that's CRAZY and yes sl says dumb shit but it makes me paranoid.
I also said two millers is unlikely, not impossible.
I am also not fake claiming.
Basically it shows that I was super paranoid that he was towny which makes sense if I don't know his alignment!!! I was getting crazy paranoid with SL's posts and now it fits in perfectly hence why to gb it looked like I was calling them both mafia.
I think he did acknowledge it tho here:
On August 11 2016 22:34 GlowingBear wrote:
Oops, on the bolded:
I think town SL is capable of thinking that. I would think that. That's what us paranoid town do. What I don't believe is that you said he has too much insight while still calling me town. It doesn't make sense.
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Grack/shape do you mind doing a quick thing about why you think the other one is mafia? Like bullet points brief.
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On August 12 2016 09:22 Holyflare wrote:
Grack/shape do you mind doing a quick thing about why you think the other one is mafia? Like bullet points brief.
hes actually a Null read for me last time I read thru his filter. Will check again after i get done with a post.
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On August 12 2016 09:22 Holyflare wrote:
Grack/shape do you mind doing a quick thing about why you think the other one is mafia? Like bullet points brief.
Yes. It's just my instinct. Tomorrow I shall bury/re-evaluate accordingly.
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Also SL mentions contradictory motives to further his agenda. He consistently states about role cops and mafia drawing out cops but also said he knew I was fake claiming since I was roleblocked and he town read GlowingBear. None of this has played a part until now when his agenda is to push my lynch. Not once did he try and engage GlowingBear about his town read or try and figure it out, in fact he said the opposite, that GlowingBear was 95% mafia.
If you read his filter his story changes to whatever it needs to consistently. Now, he boasts about knowing I was unclaiming but did nothing to stop it. He will say about the flip sorting itself out but his setup to cover that situation where GB flipped miller was conveniently laid out by him previously.
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I need someone like dis or shape/grack to talk to me about luna.
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I'm also of the mind stutters is definitely mafia, obviously for everything I linked day 1 but the fact his only post today was to vote and say he's read and then afk again when arguably the most important situation of the game has occured is bad.
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You are also extremely welcome to filter dive me and try and link me to people or whatever but you should definitely ask me questions about stuff if you need to.
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On August 12 2016 09:31 Holyflare wrote:
I need someone like dis or shape/grack to talk to me about luna.
I mean I am here, and regardless if your mafia or not, i stand to gain additional information from you.
Whats on your mind?
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On August 12 2016 09:34 Holyflare wrote:
You are also extremely welcome to filter dive me and try and link me to people or whatever but you should definitely ask me questions about stuff if you need to.
That's actually what I am doing rofl.
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On August 12 2016 08:35 Holyflare wrote:
I have a bit of a block with Luna for the most part and it's definitely because I've never played with him but I tend to think that new mafia don't try and play the game or solve it when there's a red check afk day. Luna made a case against disfo based almost entirely on his association with GB. So the question is, is he smart enough /motivated to do that. Generally I would say new players arent. I also was hesitant to lynch him d1 because I saw some towny obstinace.
Basically he's probably town unless you can say he's an intelligent mafia.
Disformation is much the same reasoning for a town read but his posting comes across as smart. Yet, he filter dived previous games, did associations etc etc. I'd very likely say he was town too.
On August 12 2016 08:38 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2016 08:35 Holyflare wrote:
I have a bit of a block with Luna for the most part and it's definitely because I've never played with him but I tend to think that new mafia don't try and play the game or solve it when there's a red check afk day. Luna made a case against disfo based almost entirely on his association with GB. So the question is, is he smart enough /motivated to do that. Generally I would say new players arent. I also was hesitant to lynch him d1 because I saw some towny obstinace.
Basically he's probably town unless you can say he's an intelligent mafia.
Disformation is much the same reasoning for a town read but his posting comes across as smart. Yet, he filter dived previous games, did associations etc etc. I'd very likely say he was town too. An addendum to this though, while Luna's experience and actions lead to me thinking he's town some of the content about there being multiple mafia on wagons is very fucking suspicious and sends alarm bells evry time I hear it.
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lol wait no HF connections. I was on his team like 3 times.
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Specifically, I know nothing about Luna, I don't know his scum game at all. SL keeps posting he'd be more tinfoil as town and it's making me wifom harder because regardless of alignment I don't think SL would lie about that.
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On August 12 2016 09:39 Holyflare wrote:
Specifically, I know nothing about Luna, I don't know his scum game at all. SL keeps posting he'd be more tinfoil as town and it's making me wifom harder because regardless of alignment I don't think SL would lie about that.
Actually, SL is doing some shady shit with Luna. First it's a town read then it's scum because not tinfoil and now it's town because I was pushing him even though I town read Luna and moved to GB.
Possibly saving a partner? His grack is 100% mafia read d1 vanished though.
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I've got work in 4 hours, don't leave me hanging I want to sleep 
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Yeah It's a bit surprising that he didn't wade into the miller/cop stuff. He usually talks about everything lol. I still think he's town right now. Go to sleep HF.
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On August 12 2016 09:39 Holyflare wrote:
Specifically, I know nothing about Luna, I don't know his scum game at all. SL keeps posting he'd be more tinfoil as town and it's making me wifom harder because regardless of alignment I don't think SL would lie about that.
Honestly, Meta is useless for him. He has played 2 games on TL, and his scum play suffered from work. 72 hours he was, but 1 game isn't enough for me to comment about it.
He was smart enough to CC Kel to lynch him for a 1v1 trade.
On August 12 2016 09:37 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2016 08:35 Holyflare wrote:
I have a bit of a block with Luna for the most part and it's definitely because I've never played with him but I tend to think that new mafia don't try and play the game or solve it when there's a red check afk day. Luna made a case against disfo based almost entirely on his association with GB. So the question is, is he smart enough /motivated to do that. Generally I would say new players arent. I also was hesitant to lynch him d1 because I saw some towny obstinace.
Basically he's probably town unless you can say he's an intelligent mafia.
Disformation is much the same reasoning for a town read but his posting comes across as smart. Yet, he filter dived previous games, did associations etc etc. I'd very likely say he was town too. Show nested quote +On August 12 2016 08:38 Holyflare wrote:On August 12 2016 08:35 Holyflare wrote:
I have a bit of a block with Luna for the most part and it's definitely because I've never played with him but I tend to think that new mafia don't try and play the game or solve it when there's a red check afk day. Luna made a case against disfo based almost entirely on his association with GB. So the question is, is he smart enough /motivated to do that. Generally I would say new players arent. I also was hesitant to lynch him d1 because I saw some towny obstinace.
Basically he's probably town unless you can say he's an intelligent mafia.
Disformation is much the same reasoning for a town read but his posting comes across as smart. Yet, he filter dived previous games, did associations etc etc. I'd very likely say he was town too. An addendum to this though, while Luna's experience and actions lead to me thinking he's town some of the content about there being multiple mafia on wagons is very fucking suspicious and sends alarm bells evry time I hear it.
Personally, even ignoring the out come of the lynch last cycle. That case was funky. It had holes all through it and such, for example, if GB was trying to get Dis late game cred, why would GB be on Dis wagon to bus him? and stuff like that. The point he made about Dis's intro is basically the same, minus that IIRC he said that he was a PR or something. Then for the third scum, he liked some town reads over some, and the some was last scum. yet last time i checked, i was just 1 below Me'derg. Perhaps this had something to do with the suppose quote between me and dis over "nothing" as he said, but he decided to to quote that. But that is later wrong when he stated he was thinking of changing me with stutters.
His VCA logic is ok. Minus the bussing nature mistakes I pointed out. Dis also pointed some things wrong with it as well.
That's my take off the top of my head. Now, the question your debating is his newbie status. What's your current thought about it?
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