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On August 12 2016 07:59 sicklucker wrote:
meh im not surprised acualy hf didnt realy try as mafia last time. not sure why he tried so hard tho he was trying to weasel out of this claim all day
Lol that is why i am quoting himself.
On August 10 2016 11:42 Holyflare wrote:
Chop chop, get to solving the game.
On August 12 2016 08:00 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2016 07:45 Shapelog wrote:
I guess also the wild thoery was "will town believe me if i unclaim cop?" yep but i called him out for it before he did so he never bothered? havent caught up
Nope
Unless it was phase 2
which would be unclaiming cop.
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On August 12 2016 07:16 Holyflare wrote:Here is my perspective which is what I was trying to highlight and what admittedly GB thought was weird the entire day (because it was weird). I am town and now evidently GB is town and that definitely highlights irregularities from mafia's perspective of this whole claim thing. We have several candidates flagged for mafia at this point and I'll rank them from the most likely: 1. Sicklucker Show nested quote +On August 10 2016 15:36 sicklucker wrote:
in a sick world . if mafia has a rolecop and checked gb and saw he was a miller then mafia hf would make this play. would be pretty sick but way too unlikely. could also just be mafia doing it for the lulz his last mafia performance he didnt acualy try at all and let him self get lynched day 1 with no effort. but hes probably town boring Show nested quote +On August 10 2016 15:37 sicklucker wrote:
We should probably acualy lynch hf if gb flips miller. onegu especially likes to throw rolecops in his games I think... Show nested quote +On August 10 2016 15:37 sicklucker wrote:
REALLY UNLIKELY THO GUYS. just wanna throw that out there I got a notification that I was roleblocked last night (I don't know why we get notifications at all really but w/e) so I was JK'd at least or MAYBE mafia rb'd which is possibly what SL is alluding to here: Show nested quote +On August 10 2016 16:34 sicklucker wrote:
also shouldnt you have been like jailkeeped last night? vivax sure didnt save himself Show nested quote +On August 10 2016 21:22 sicklucker wrote:On August 10 2016 21:12 GlowingBear wrote:
SL do you think HF is Mafia? if your town he is. I mean theres nothing I can do untill you flip either way. no ones not gonna lynch you today including me. But if you are town hes 100% a mafia rolecop. If thats true he saw I was right and is trying to set me up. or he could just be an idiot its hard to tell  Show nested quote +On August 10 2016 21:24 sicklucker wrote:
Like its acualy insane that hf believes I slipped about a second miller which is pretty fucking unluckly in a 13 player setup. The fact he thinks its almost a certainty rather then a slim chance like I think is interesting. are lawyers not good at probability? Show nested quote +On August 10 2016 21:25 sicklucker wrote:
either way this game will be fun if gb flips miller. a good old battle royale. If he flips mafia so boring Show nested quote +On August 11 2016 13:59 sicklucker wrote:
ya my role cop scenario acualy makes alot of sense when you think about thanks grack for proving im not crazy. is it likely? hell no I have always said this Now, think in your own heads, how unlikely was it that I was fake claiming? You guys are entirely in the dark, you did what was right, follow my lead and look for clues and links, SL on the other hand has referenced and foreshadowed (most importantly) GB flipping miller about 1000x throughout the day, not just flipping town, FLIPPING MILLER. That's the most important point of it all, mafia KNOWS I'm town and therefore if I have a red check and they know GB is town he MUST be a miller. This is why I found SL's reaction the most definite mindset of a mafia player because he KNEW ALL ALONG IT WAS HAPPENING. Mafia chance: 100%
of course vivax roleblocked your last night its part of the reason I thought you were a fake cop... sorry for being compitent I cant believe your still trying. if town does not auto lynch you they are the worst
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HolyFlare was just temp banned for 90 days by Shapelog. That account was created on 2010-11-28 05:37:07 and had 21180 posts. Reason: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/abQJRDx.jpg) You just came off a claim and you show no serious attempt at reasonable discussion, but instead intentionally try troll the thread. See you in 72 hours before the Lynch. Maybe you can contain your bad posting and claiming habits by then.
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ya like i owned hf so hard. And thank god no ones believing him. I can see why he did it. but like It was not a good mafia play it confirms me as town and now one confirmed town between me and dandred will be alive tormorow. Probably me since hes aragant and probably thinks he can actually get me lynched or something.
But I think what he did makes some sense from a mafia perspective. Like dandred already covered it but I would like to add a part that dandred missed.
Mafia probably thought there was a town cop (maybe theres is keke) a miller flipped mafia probably thought town had a cop. SO the real reason a mafia hf fake claimed here was to get the cop and maybe a 1 for 1 trade. So if hf got the cop and a 1 for 1 trade that would have been totally worth it for mafia and thats why hf did this play as mafia.
Like its so obvious he did this because of the miller flip afraid of a cop claim so he beat him to it
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So hf saying his fake claim makes no sense from a town perspective is bs dont fall for that shit I have seen hf weasel his way out of sticky situations and it does not look like hes giving up. But at the same time ti6 is on and I really dont feel like I have to put any effort into proving is mafia.
ALL EFFORT NEEDS TO BE IN FINDING HIS PARTNERS HES SHITTING UP THE THREAD
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I prob. should be looking before D2 and on Day 1/Night 1 since that was before Miller flipped.
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I've given you SL on a silver plate at least. People that are split on me between being mafia/p lynch at least if you're doing this think in two mindsets, the game where I am mafia and have done this and the game where I am town.
Now, think for a second about leaps in logic.
You are a towny, you see someone who looks relatively towny come out and claim cop on a guy that looks relatively scummy and you think, "oh ok cool," and move on with your day. At a stretch you have a niggling feeling that I'm mafia but in that case the flip sorts itself out and you can think about that later, for now you'll try and solve the game by process of Occam's razor.
Say you are mafia and see me going after GB with a red. You know I am town and you know GB is town. Your options are I'm fake claiming and rescind it later or I'm the actual cop and GB HAS to be miller. These are your ONLY two options.
Now, your job as a mafia is to throw suspicion on people, try and look towny and how do you do that? You try and make up scenarios. A wild towny scenario is that I'm just a mafia MAYBE trying to draw a cop claim and push the game to lylo. A wild mafia scenario when they have perfect information is that I must be a cop so the only way to throw suspicion on it is come up with a scenario that makes sense in that world, that I'm both mafia AND a rolecop AND tat I checked GB.
Sicklucker has fallen for the classic overindulgence in mafia perfect information hook line and sinker. I realise this is hard to swallow after the events that unfolded but look at it this way:
A) GB didn't flip miller at all, he was just a towny.
B) The only way to come up with the theory of rolecop and miller is if both me and GB were town because then if I was cop GB would definitely be miller.
I think the above is the most concrete proof I have that SL is mafia, he has foreshadowed it all day.
The rest will follow in the next 72 hours, phase 2 was not completed it is ongoing.
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For now I am done with SL. I know my usual style would be to completely clog up the thread with arguing, most likely with him, but I will do my best to ignore him and help you.
All I ask is that you think in two mindsets still and don't close off the thinking that I am town completely. It's the only hope left.
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My initial plan was to unclaim on Gb if he tried to play or at least be sensible and subsequently draw a shot later. You can see me try and talk to GB through the day and I did see gleams of town GB with the giving up and it's part of the reason I kept telling him to try and solve the game and arguing with him instead of afking on it. However, he didn't vote, he completely ignored SL's posts that made SL almost confirmed mafia to himself and he was stuck on his one read from the start of day 1.
I'm definitely disappointed and ashamed that he solely joined up to claim blue and afk but obviously part of it is my fault too.
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Also my wild theory from d2 start is still possible. Difvaimvasvios.
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I have a bit of a block with Luna for the most part and it's definitely because I've never played with him but I tend to think that new mafia don't try and play the game or solve it when there's a red check afk day. Luna made a case against disfo based almost entirely on his association with GB. So the question is, is he smart enough /motivated to do that. Generally I would say new players arent. I also was hesitant to lynch him d1 because I saw some towny obstinace.
Basically he's probably town unless you can say he's an intelligent mafia.
Disformation is much the same reasoning for a town read but his posting comes across as smart. Yet, he filter dived previous games, did associations etc etc. I'd very likely say he was town too.
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no ones split everyone knows your mafia
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On August 12 2016 08:35 Holyflare wrote:
I have a bit of a block with Luna for the most part and it's definitely because I've never played with him but I tend to think that new mafia don't try and play the game or solve it when there's a red check afk day. Luna made a case against disfo based almost entirely on his association with GB. So the question is, is he smart enough /motivated to do that. Generally I would say new players arent. I also was hesitant to lynch him d1 because I saw some towny obstinace.
Basically he's probably town unless you can say he's an intelligent mafia.
Disformation is much the same reasoning for a town read but his posting comes across as smart. Yet, he filter dived previous games, did associations etc etc. I'd very likely say he was town too.
An addendum to this though, while Luna's experience and actions lead to me thinking he's town some of the content about there being multiple mafia on wagons is very fucking suspicious and sends alarm bells evry time I hear it.
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do i have to read hfs posts? we are sensible people right?
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On August 12 2016 08:30 Holyflare wrote:
My initial plan was to unclaim on Gb if he tried to play or at least be sensible and subsequently draw a shot later. You can see me try and talk to GB through the day and I did see gleams of town GB with the giving up and it's part of the reason I kept telling him to try and solve the game and arguing with him instead of afking on it. However, he didn't vote, he completely ignored SL's posts that made SL almost confirmed mafia to himself and he was stuck on his one read from the start of day 1.
I'm definitely disappointed and ashamed that he solely joined up to claim blue and afk but obviously part of it is my fault too.
no he correctly knew I was town and you were mafia...
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If someone does not think hf is obvious mafia please talk to me and ill explain why. untill then then im not wasting my time addressing all these posts since this should be an auto lynch. But if someone has a problem with this auto lynch by all means tell me asap so we can nip that in the butt. dont worry about affecting the nk at night its just going to be dandred everytime.
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On August 12 2016 08:39 sicklucker wrote:
do i have to read hfs posts? we are sensible people right?
Eh I prob read them tomorrow.
Getting off for tonight.
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On August 12 2016 08:44 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2016 08:39 sicklucker wrote:
do i have to read hfs posts? we are sensible people right? Eh I prob read them tomorrow. Getting off for tonight.
Please stay for a couple of minutes.
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On August 12 2016 07:22 Holyflare wrote:
I don't have any reason as mafia to fake claim, GB was the next lynch easily, I was pretty much one of the top town reads and the jk is dead, pretty much 0 reasons. The reason as town is mafia lynch, bait reactions and fuck shit up in a game where people were doing dick for 47 hours and then playing.
Either way read my above post and talk to me, don't be a stubborn oaf.
If Gb was the next lynch basically no matter what, what was the point of even claiming if he was the lynch no matter what.
It just seems like a needless way to kill the game and cause people to afk while we lynch Gb.
Meh
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On August 12 2016 08:46 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2016 08:44 Shapelog wrote:On August 12 2016 08:39 sicklucker wrote:
do i have to read hfs posts? we are sensible people right? Eh I prob read them tomorrow. Getting off for tonight. Please stay for a couple of minutes.
Will you give me a cup of whisky?
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