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That's why every person who is up for a position should give a read list that's updated so we can see logical reason I,g and why they wish to choose their candidates. Unlike cell where we can really publish the mayor we have limited options here. So we have to take responsibility for it. Now any questions before I go look in the so am to see if anything interested happened | ||
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Super knee jerk town. GB knee jerk scum! They can't bear the responsibility | ||
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Sk might be scum, qt probably town. | ||
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I'm town reading tumble now, what the hell is wrong with me. Watch him pop scum or some shit make me look like a trad. Any way qt can you give me your impression of emperors catching up posts? | ||
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Ignore moosey for all of d1, he automatically tries to do strange things d1 do no matter alignment he can survive till d2. Anyway art just easier to be on your good side atn | ||
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Well tumble just a gut feeling, his sort of dodging super and being kinda meh got me,there. I think there was one answer in particular about super if I remember right that bugged me. It's still early | ||
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Anyeay, art is right I'm trying to dial in so I'm a good person to sheep. As for the day pass yeah I generally give moosey one and it serves ok. It's like giving ls a day pass just works so well. | ||
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Plus if I want people I read as the members means I'm giving a ton of info as scum which would be bad. All in all while it's Mafias general goal, it's a bad one in the context of what in saying | ||
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Its good though keep it up. | ||
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Super, art, qt, tumble, Damdred D1 pass moosey So already we have a nice schmuck taken out. | ||
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On June 25 2016 09:25 GlowingBear wrote: Actually, doesn't it look like they are trying to distance from each other? Nope don't think so. But it's a good thought. Keep it up and you can be in the circle | ||
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The house of brown is great can I be a member this game chez and bring the politics of brown here? Anyway I really can't substantiate my reads tonight as I'm in a movie I'll do it tommorow. And they all can be broke down as meta/shallow reasons atm. But my early gut reads are good meh. I want to hear more on emperor and want tt to be in thread | ||
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Tt, sk, Jin, jealous Emperor im not sure of yet kinda want to put him out of conversation. But Im not sure why I don't buy the town reads on sk it just doesn't feel or look right to me yet. | ||
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Problem is all of them besides tt are low hanging fruit so far this game which is bothersome Movie is starting. | ||
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The post about art/qt about distancing while I disagreed showed a nice jumping around logic and looking at things from different hard to see angles. I'm fact I don't think mafia GB makes that post especially going after art who is almost impossible to Lynch as town. So yeah just some fun thinking from you. I think your town actually. | ||
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On June 25 2016 21:52 Tictock wrote: Why do you seem so uncomfortable this game? I get you are trying to play different but you had no issue jumping in and being trolly before. I don't get it. I kinda hate this post btw, feels like art already covered this a bit with his initial scum read and feels like a parrot with trying to seem new. Maybe TT can stay in my lynch list meh nothing to smart sounding yet. | ||
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On June 25 2016 22:38 Tictock wrote: I actually really want to know why you called me out in this post, like of all the people who hadn't posted why do I stand out? Because you were the best player who isn't low hanging fruit to post, actually make use of your time besides harping on something that is answered clearly in the text. | ||
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a person after my own heart. | ||
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Why are my townreads super lazy again when i've beat most of the game to the same reads exactly? | ||
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It just has the semblance of doing things without actually doing them. Even now you are doing nothing but trying to discredit me and trying to soft push scum on me for no real reason what soever besides I have you in my poe list that i'm willing to lynch into today. And honestly your posts don't inspire a lot of confidence or making me want to reconsider my stance. | ||
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And now you refuse to substantiate any form of scum reads you are given which is a reason you are alluding to scum reading me for btw. Which is kind of funny actually. | ||
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Arts town though by activity attitude etc. Plus if he's tricking me letting him live will tire him out rip. | ||
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Sk is interesting though Super aggro but he's ignoring obvious answers to questions that are just a few posts later so I am feeling wishy washy so far | ||
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And Tt idk he just wasn't very smart in his postings took a post that was a compliment to him not being lynch bait now tried to use it to scum read me, and has been boring sense trying to make mud stick. | ||
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Qt would be a solid choice for,mayor imo | ||
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Jean is null though. Its going to be a long and hard game it seems. There is one reason to tr Jean but idk could be a smurf | ||
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I'm still a good player, I'm obviously going to try this game and with double votes mafia has to kill me before lylo anyway. It's the best of both worlds, a good dialed in scum hunting damdred with double votes | ||
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The more I think about it the more I like killing scum or at least a good Lynch bait and then mafia shooting me. Excellent | ||
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On June 26 2016 18:18 Superbia wrote: A quick few notes about how I feel about damdred btw: I think damdred could be scum, but not for the reasons that have been brought up (iirc). I think his reads have been sort of relaxed and I can see them coming from a town perspective. I do want to see some reasons behind them. Especially the two I asked at the start of the game. Damdred's most scummy play this game has been his chicanery regarding presidency. He started the game off with the whole "I don't want to be president but I want to support a town president" or something along those lines. I think this is actually sort of scummy. I think as town you want to be the president, especially if you believe in your own ability. Moreover, it felt like he did want the presidency from the very start. His last page of his filter also has him pushing more and more towards getting the presidency. Damdred, can you explain? Did you really not want presidency? If so, what has changed? Moreover, can you elaborate on your early reads a little? Why did you conclude artanis vs qt was TvT that quickly? Mostly the reasoning to scum read me is pretty weak tbh. While it's wifom at best I'm playing pretty solidly in my town meta, heavily town hunting. Weighing in on whatever I want to talk about and not really caring what people think. Its wifom,because I'm aware of it though. Most of the reasons to scum read me have been at best lax. Even yours super are somewhat bad. I didn't want president early because I just wanted to try to solve the game. Now that I think the game is super difficult in all actuality I trust my way to lead town to a decent lynch. I also already answered this as well when tumble asked me I believe. As for my early reads I'm working on filters still would rather just get then all out at once. As for the t v t. I always thought qt was town because of how he was approaching game and the way he was trying to interact with people. I thought he was a really easy read. Art was putting in some decent effort at that point, tone was good and what he was saying even if I disagreed at least showed an ok thought progression. There were a couple times in the fight where both parties were giving off a fuck you vibe that I generally pin to town as well. Either way to simplify it just felt like t v t, and no real manipulation to make the other look scum was present to me. | ||
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Art, Damdred, tumble, super, chez Chez just seemed to be read I,g and thinking about the game and pointed out some setup things I think only he would do as town. He is chez and is my friend won't lynch! Really though it's town sided for him to do those things. Tumble was a total tone read early, since then he's been super active. He's been pushing different angles and seemingly is trying to figure out people's alignments while 're evaluating when new things cone up. Pretty sure town Super was the decent amount of posting early and the prodding towards people while,not over reacting when told to wait on things. Also him trying to organize today points to town as well and hi a general activity. Art is just town at this point though. Super active pushing things he seemingly believes. It was the sane early as well, his little retaliation towards Jean feels like town art as well as he is vindictive if you call him scum. Which is part of the reason for,ny early tr I wanted to work with him. My gb read is explained in my filter earlier and I still stick with it. The only real problem I have is a lack of reads later in the day. But that's nai a for him, overall still town. Any direct questions that I need to expand on these people is ok. And atm I kind of want to lynch jealous. The reasoning for this lynch is that his activity is still super low eleven though we've been in the game what over 36 hours? His one post of actual content actually seems like tmi especially towards art to me. Just seems strange never playing with art and just coming away he's town without any paranoia. S far he's my lynch but still reading a couple | ||
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Just totally town early game by tone, his activity level and his I,involvement. The way he handled the pressure from art was great, he's not stiff and he's pressuring people. His thoughts seem genuine and he isn't holding anything back. Super likely town . | ||
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Its mainly that one post describing the qt v art fight as town v town. Its his only contribution and it doesn't make sense to me coming from his position of not knowing art. And honestly art came off a little worse than qt in that exchange. So not sure why he would think that it just feels like Tmi to me. | ||
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On June 27 2016 00:04 GlowingBear wrote: Jesus you guys give people free town passes too easily Nope | ||
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On June 27 2016 00:10 Superbia wrote: Damdred why are you not reading scum into the Artanis wagon? Because there is really no reason at present to scum read Jean. He's well thought out and logical. Coups he be scum? It's possible he is and is just playing a rather good d1. More than likely he is town. And yeah currently a jealous, Tt team really appeals to me. The third I'm not totally sure of one could of slipped into,my tr. I wouldn't lynch emperor or moose today. I would lynch between jealous and Tt, with a fondness for jealous. And yes the game can just be that simple meh. | ||
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I've been well,documented thinking Tt is scum | ||
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And gb it's because you don't do well with these sorts of decisions tbh. While I tr both all a sudden the last few pages have made me kind of suspicious on super just seems off now. I would like to be pardoner or mayor. There will always be debate but I am one of the best players in this game. And idk why art isn't voting for me rip. | ||
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You being named vt really matters nothing to me tbh. | ||
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On June 25 2016 12:23 Damdred wrote: It's interesting only people I'd be happy lynching into today Tt, sk, Jin, jealous Emperor im not sure of yet kinda want to put him out of conversation. But Im not sure why I don't buy the town reads on sk it just doesn't feel or look right to me yet. Gen I guess I did give him a halfway day pass | ||
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But I probably would retract it but he's had some decent posts and went after a hard target so idk if I would lynch today | ||
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On June 27 2016 02:47 emperorchampion wrote: Actually has anybody discussed this, other than the fact that it's pretty much un-cc'able? I would feel OK about this if it were any other green / blue role. Ec can be town today. Its a good thought. | ||
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Art and super don't play as mafia past d3 just can't keep it up meh, so activity is a major indicator for both, | ||
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Literally I am the most level headed and incapable of omgus for a long time. Get me pardoner and gb mayor. | ||
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I have Tt as scum. Jealous as a lower null Super US falling Ec is a higher null Not a bad pool tbh I wouldn't lynch ec today at all | ||
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Its such a good thought and comes from town so often. Its so healthy thought process. | ||
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On June 27 2016 04:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'd be fine with it. Just not sure you'll get enough support anyway. Kinda sad isn't it? | ||
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Its just weird tbh couplers with your Kong absences I can't keep you locked town. | ||
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On June 27 2016 04:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Eh I'm kinda fine with both Jean and Tumble getting it too. Pretty confident in both being town atm. Nobody has faith in me anymore: ( | ||
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I definitely won't lynch you but I can't keep you so high now. | ||
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On June 27 2016 04:45 GlowingBear wrote: Art I just saw this post and I really like it. His other posts before this aren't really alignment indicative in my opinion. It's just... Lazy... This post is so easy for either alignment to make though. Like really nai | ||
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I've felt I have taken a stance on everything,this game so far and have opinions that are clearly stated throughout? Some opinions that are quite contrary to sentiment. Idk | ||
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He was the first to scum read chez and hasn't played with him. Come brothers it,must be done. | ||
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The gb read doesn't make sense at all, it sounds like a scum read for lack of activity no real contribution to the game. But town leans him anyway. God that's craxy | ||
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A lot of safe reads I think or ones that seem safe. Maybe I'm tainted by a bit of omgus but the list just seems strange to me. | ||
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And also your read still sounds like a scum read that ends in a non logical concussion. Would still lynch Tt first for,not doing anything at all | ||
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Idk how I feel about gb being pardoner though might spite pardon today | ||
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Kinda thought idk. It was a good shot just sucks for his team. | ||
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A moose+super doesn't tbh especially with a general rule of ignoring moosey d1. Early call out was good | ||
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Had a thought about him and his moosey read. Jean had a decent shot being mayor and lynching moosey wouldn't be a bad play to hard bus moosey there. Instead he gives a pretty good rationale read of a null. Also even though moosey was about to flip scum he continued to give us reads because he had them, done. Its kind of weak and,maybe a bit dumb but I think he's town now. Why is sk so High again? | ||
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Jean makes logical sense and cares and did the right thing for town. And was here actually trying to,figure things out. I'd much rather someone who's here,figuring,out over someone who's not. Plus got a stronger town read on Jean. | ||
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But what about tt | ||
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Never even has a real documented reason to scum read moosey just kinda sheep's super never mentions it again. Lacks real smart posts, his cases aren't well thought out in that vein. Also is super disinterested in the game. Game closely resemble storm mafia three where he was Scum. Just a few reasons. Oh yeah refused to talk about town reads also or says he would. | ||
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On June 27 2016 07:04 GlowingBear wrote: I'm the un'ccd Named VT. He is just french. This doesn't matter in an open setup gb and you know it | ||
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Are we friends chez? | ||
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On June 27 2016 10:18 Tictock wrote: I thought it was Jealous and Me and you wanted to ignore or sorta TR Moosy. I think I'm lynching you no matter what tomorrow Damdred. You have said jack shit to push a scum read, didn't help town consolidate onto a good mayor and went from, "I dont want to be mayor", to "I want to be Mayor", to "I'm good a town reads I should be pardoner". You generally seemed content to push afk people and myself while pushing discussion away from Moosy multiple times. Mostly it's just that nothing you've said feels like you are really thinking about things beyond a surface level. How did I not consolidate on a good mayor? I pushed from my Lynch list, which most of the game agreed on mostly tbh. Idk how I pushed away from moose when you can clearly see in any game I'm with moose in that it is my policy to ignore him d1 as he's much easier to read afterwards. Then come at me and I'll bury you. Nothing you've said makes me scum and your read is bad. | ||
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My scum reads presented have had factual reasons behind them and have shown progression ie jealous for example went, light scum-hard scum read-conversation-light scum-new thought-town. While you are a bit difficult to understand tt with your bouts of afk and while you paint me scummy for diverting attention from moose you yourself pushed light scum on him and never pushed it at all. So you are coming across pretty hypocritical, also you say I'm only pushing afk or you. I don't know why that's a big surprise since I am town reading most of the game, and the main reason I consolidated like I did was because ec was a town read and didn't want him to die and had no read on moose. I regret that I had to break my policy but Jean did the right thing. | ||
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On June 27 2016 11:24 Tictock wrote: It's great that you've called me scum all game but talk to me like you think I'm town. You pushed against GB or Super being mayor, but ended up voting GB (can't really find why in your filter) and then voted Jean who I don't think you ever gave a read on. You started off with "I don't want to be mayor" then made a couple "Why aren't people considering me for mayor/pardoner" posts. Never pushed any of your townreads to be mayor. So you were pushing against GB being mayor despite reading him as town, but were only offering yourself as an alternative. Just weren't involved in that discussion at all. And stuff like this was kinda pushing things away from Moosy. I also think it's weird how you keep trying to build teams around me without really pushing me too much directly. Or more like you keep calling me scum but aren't doing much to show why I'm scum. I don't think I've weekly pushed you at all. I talk to you with respect and with knowledge I could be wrong and it's always better to be courteous anyway. As for pushing against moose why is it so bad that I asked if there was anyone else they wanted to Lynch exactly? Isuper hasn't exactly been super forthcoming with the scum reads up to this point. And I wanted to see if there was anyone the thread could agree on. Which I tried to push jealous a hit around that time as well but he came back pretty good And if you look at Jean he was in the same boat as me thinking it was a coinflippy at best. So pretty thread sentimental there, and tbh I probably come off looking better if I yell and throw things to make Jean Lynch moose instead of being half committed. But that is wifom and should be ignored. There have been at least two instances where I have explained my scum read on you directly in fact I think one was just a page or two ago in reply to GB asking me why I was scum reading you. I also pushed for your lynch over gc and over moose to some degree. But I didn't overly push anything as I am usually doing d1 I just town hint early which is what I did again and got left with people I wanted to Lynch. And it's not to weird I build my scum team around you when you are my strongest scum read currently, have little interaction with moose in your filter even though you say he's your first scum read really can't tell it much instead of focusing on him you focus art and myself. | ||
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On June 27 2016 23:13 emperorchampion wrote: Damdred has stated at least once his reasons for switching, this post feels very fluffy I'm glad someone reads my posts! We can be friends for so long! And if your scum you pocketed me so hard right now | ||
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Anyway got a few things to do today and then back to finding the mafia. | ||
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Fibbing doesn't get you points. Back to date day | ||
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On June 28 2016 04:45 Damdred wrote: SK how did I not comment on it when I see ifically said I disagreed but it was a good thought by GB? Fibbing doesn't get you points. Back to date day I ho early don't know why nobody said this rip | ||
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As for bad scum I'm actually one of the best scum on site so meh at that. As for you being insulting for no reason, its apparent autocorrect got me So no reason to get nasty for being called out on something factual. | ||
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That's why tl sent me to the mafia champs, and why I'm rated in the top 10 players on site. I neither discredit nor treat people poorly. So trying to get me riled up is poor taste | ||
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But idk why I'm commenting getting in trouble on my date. Anyway factually the statement is incorrect and its super likely for players to disagree and be able to see the other is town. Its not uncommon as well I know GB tbh and his thought process was good just wrong in that regard which I said | ||
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On June 28 2016 05:29 GlowingBear wrote: Damdy am I town? 60/40 town atm paranoia atm | ||
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##vote ticktock | ||
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It's crazy if that's true | ||
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Maybe a mass claim of roles would be OK? If we have another information gathering ability with a vig and a claimed tracker we could go from there. Also if tt was mafia kinda would see him I tantly conceding to. But I kind of want a mass claim to see if wr have to many pr for it to be true. | ||
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Then yeah forget that thing I'm a little drunk | ||
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If emperor role ops tt and they get the check back in qt the other scum would know tt is a wanderer. Super could go for the mega plat and claim it on tt with no repercussions. So I don't think a mass claim is a horrid idea to make sure we don't have to many blues | ||
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Super can claim RB for rest of game and that's why they don't kill him. It's a play I would make with that information and they could have the info 100% makes sense with how tt been playing. He's been playing like he's a power role with how he doesn't care he's a good person to check... Idk easiest and hopeful solution is tt is scum, but idk some of his interchanges with me make me think he might not be. I'm just paranoid I know but.. | ||
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If we have to many we know tt is town and super is the scum. | ||
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To prove you never can read me my friend? Besides that my theory isn't that bad a mass claim is a good idea besides bodyguard that is | ||
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It's a good shot cause it hit mafia, was a poor EOD read based off paranoia he had towards you. Earlier I had him in lynch list meh was a poor decision. Anyway kinda weak my hearty friend. Be back | ||
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So no need to hypothesize about them. | ||
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Super claims track on tt Three situations 1) TT was scum that got traxked 2) tt was wanderer but got screwed 3) tt is a vt super does a play or is scum and dying tommorow There is a subset of points that's probably better described as a big play by scum who's alone Ec who's rolecop checks tt comes back wanderer Last scum super sees this and goes jackpot Claims tracker to coast out a few mislynches as confirmed town. Claims RB since then as scum is trying to find the bg and has reasons to be alive. Fact: super has rescinded a claim to bait out reactions or do a play as scum. I was thinking this makes tt and super probably town though. | ||
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So the first theory is out the window. Conclusion: superbia is most likely town drawing out a concede from mafia. | ||
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So yeah, but he wasn't going to cc super either so idk maybe wait for super to bring claim back in that situation. It's a super strange situation. Also have a hard time seeing no RB in the scum team. Idk | ||
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On June 28 2016 14:38 Skynx wrote: Anyway. Nice thing is we can mislynch all 3 of Super/TT/Damdred and still win. Also skynx kinda claimed scum here lol. Since he knows all three of us will be mislynches. | ||
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On June 28 2016 14:49 Superbia wrote: What's the play if I'm the last scum left damdred? It's what I concluded you were town. There is no where to go for scum tbh, no reason to draw out the concede and back off instantly. It's a gutsy play if scum like balls of gold level. | ||
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On June 28 2016 14:50 Superbia wrote: I wouldn't need to claim tracker to live to lylo x; Yeah you would you were in the Poe of half the game. | ||
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Some form of damdred tt and super was the consensus. Which is probably balls. I kinda think it's sk. I generally don't believe in scum slips but idk | ||
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A few people did as well. Look at sk for me and give am opinion and I'll see what I think in the morning with some distance and new eyes in the am before a decision. | ||
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I kinda think just from gut, his tone during the night was atrociously angry when confronted. And he sort of gave tmi as well about me you and tt. Sort of leaning scum way on him. | ||
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Ml 8 v 1 Nk 7 v 1 Ml 6 v 1 Nk 5 v 1 Ml 4 v 1 Nk 3 v 1 (Mylo can't sleep) Just three lynches till Mylo and then a fourth in mylo. The best thing is as long as they don't get the bodyguard tonight we probably have at least one confirmed town in mylo if not two. Jean will have to have a look there but really it's not that bad a situation IMO. | ||
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I'm really sure art is town and super is town GB is confirmed So that leaves, jealous, tt, sky,jean, sk, tumble Pretty sure tw is town in that group, Jean probably is to just alight paranoia Tt with his reaction felt genuine but has scummy things about him. I have reasons to tr jealous but a couple problems. Then sk couple of cases, angry tone long absenses at points. Weird read progressions and called us mislynches. I just think it's sk, but those are the three I'd look into. Though I know ill get most of the heat today meh | ||
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On June 28 2016 15:12 Superbia wrote: GB can force a sleep. :p That's yummybi didn't think about that. If the bodyguard can last until d3 if we haven't won in a great position for lylo. | ||
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It was hard for us all to stay motivated. Though my motivation is kind of at a low point right now, whoops. But on a different note jealous kind of looks bad tbh keeps hedging a bit but just keeps his read static. Kind of weird. As for that game you are remembering the wrong game tt, the game you claimed wanderer with a red check you were gunsmith and got instantly lynched that day because onegu claimed a red check on you as scum. Anyway any questions I'm around for a bit. | ||
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On June 27 2016 04:59 Jealous wrote: Tumblewood: + Show Spoiler + Pretty weak play so far. Has only posted one or two substantiated reads. This quote from him sums it up: "like, there's playing the game, and then there's trying to solve the game. most of us are just playing the game right now..." Don't like him so far, but not enough to say he's scum. GlowingBear: + Show Spoiler + Some decent posts questioning people. A lot of fluff otherwise. Asking to be mayor over and over without giving any reasoning as to why he should be one. Somehow has garnered a lot of support despite not being wholly convincing to me. Only one real good post explaining his reads. If he wasn't pushing so hard to be mayor without any real foundation, I would townlean on him. Jealous: + Show Spoiler + I'm VT. emperorchampion: + Show Spoiler + Very weak start to the game but made a goost post @Jean, which I liked. Overall I'm not very impressed with his play so far, but he hasn't said anything that seemed outright scummy, so I have him as null for now. Damdred: + Show Spoiler + Weak reads, hasn't contributed much of anything at all. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/510385-presidential-election-mini-mafia?page=23#459 This post is suspect because he gets on the defensive while saying that there is "no real reason" for him being scumpushed, but has done nothing in the game up to that point, which to me is reason enough. Later on he gets pressured more, and again says there is no reason to scumread him even though yet again he hasn't contribute much of anything. Gives detailed reads under pressure and they do not impress. Does reads based on "tone" and stuff like that. Tries to jump on me for a policy lynch, then posts this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/510385-presidential-election-mini-mafia?page=41#807 Trying to be objective about it, I think is a horrible post. I answered a question directly to the best of my ability and he disqualifies it because I have no experience playing with Artanis? Also uses this as an opportunity to further support his QT town read that he has been pushing from the start. A few posts later, he is convinced that I am scum and not just inactive as I said I would be, all based off of one post. Although, apparently moves me to "lower null" just a few minutes ago. Makes a late push for pardoner? On what basis? -_- Definite scum lean. MoosyDoosy: + Show Spoiler + Super trolly as always, which I hate that he can get away with every game (according to what some veterans have said so far). Impossible to read and thus not a benefit to town so far. Chezinu: + Show Spoiler + Has contributed the least of all besides MoosyDoosy. Hard to read off of that, but necessitates a mild scum lean from me. Artanis[Xp]: + Show Spoiler + A few jokey posts at the start of the game, with some weak/fake reads. I don't personally like that style of play but I wouldn't send him to the gallows for it (if I were to do so, Moosy would go first). I can actually understand his push on QT, as QT himself said he plays "oddly" and that seems to get him into trouble D1. I wish QT would play less "odd." It wouldn't cause situations like this one. QT's case was pretty weak in my opinion but because he isn't the type to let it go, Artanis was forced into a defensive position (seems like he doesn't like giving up either, even though he eventually did). Overall I'd have to say Artanis reacted pretty normally to the situation. After that, I feel that he has been active and trying to push the game forward, albeit using too much meta, history, and "tone" for my liking. His play vs. Jean and @TT, I can't entirely agree with, but he's trying. He's town to me. More to come. Kinda interesting that pretty neutral on both scum here though. Like not much opinion at this point | ||
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But sk is strange to, though the attitude of righteousness (this isn't meant as an insult) I'd have a hard time seeing coming from a newb. He's pretty aggro really all I'm all not sure if I believe he could be scum here. But he does have a couple weird progressions like the one super pointed out, inability see me coming from town. I thinknive been pretty Towny this game, activity has been good. Idk I think I could of solo carried scum team but would of had to hard bus moose and ec, especially ec. I've been wrong at points but that's what mafia is about, I made a couple good choices and two-three bad ones. Alas. | ||
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It's probably just jealous Idk the policy I keep with moosey might of gotten me in trouble but I use it every game. Meh | ||
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Ec actually gave a thought I really liked didn't want to Lynch him, it's clearly documented, so I break policy and kill moose. Wifom as it is in that situation I know I'm probably going to solo it so why not kill the person who gives the most cred. In any case the reasoning against me is pretty light. I can excuse sk he's new never played with me, but some of you others tsk. Espevially after last game Tumblewood. Tsk indeed. Feel my ire of soft words and loving caresses. In any case I think the games over with a jealous Lynch. | ||
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No real mafia motivation to try to decide that tt and super are both town. Or super is making a play, just let that shit ride out and Lynch tt then super and I only need two mislynches to win after that. The way I went about it was so suboptimal I'd never do that as scum. Which mind you that's not a good reason not to Lynch me as I'm self aware anyway. Wrong doesn't meN scum though. | ||
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On June 29 2016 01:59 Tictock wrote: Nope you're thinking of Outlaw (I think?) I'm pretty sure the game I'm referring to was Nutcracker. Also I think I got lynched less because of the redcheck and more because of my bad reaction to it... you fake CC'ing my gunsmith claim may have also contributed. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.saltopiasalts.com/uploads/1/0/7/8/10782629/7109779_orig.jpg) Anyways, regarding this game... I'd still like to understand your thought process better around EoD. You said you wouldn't support GB or Super as mayor, explained it was because you didn't trust GB's ability to lynch scum and that his claim didn't matter to you. So why did you end up voting him before you switched to Jean right before deadline? I'm also still a bit curious what made you think I was maybe town for the span of a post then went back to scum reading me, but I'm more interested in the GB stuff. Maybe, so I give it to you at least you didn't claim wanderer this time so progress. Eh GB promised to listen to people and pleaded with people. At the time I was OK with an ec Lynch because he hadn't given what I still consider to be a decent thought. Which was with GB really claiming a role that can't be cc is dangerous to put in an uncheckable position. So in short GB promised to listen to people even though he left near EOD so couldn't keep that promise meh. I said why I switched to jean shortly after EOD. Mostly didn't want to Lynch ec at that time and thought Jean would do the right thing. It was your aggro moment towards me that made me want to tr you, it sort of felt like t v t at that point. But it just wasn't enough for me. During the night when we were having our exchanges I thought you looked more town as well to how you were responding and taking into account what I was saying. Which was why I was going through thr possibilities of a super fake claim in thread. | ||
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On June 29 2016 02:14 Tictock wrote: This is over simplifying things a bit imo. For me it's that your EoD didn't track in a lot of ways and your involvement in picking a mayor was basically nothing but a couple posts saying it should be you for one of the positions. There is the switch in your stance on Moosy from, "lets ignore him D1" to "I think he flips town, plz lynch TT" It also felt a lot like Emp was trying to defend you from my pressure during the night. Your townread on him formed basically right after GB started pressuring him, and that quote I posted earlier was weird phrasing that mighta been a scum slip + Show Spoiler + It's at least as likely to be a scum slip as the thing you were on about from Skynx None of these by themselves are terribly conclusive, but that's associative stuff with both flipped scum and just a general sense that your game is off and reads aren't tracking very well. It's a pretty solid pile of stuff that is hard to overlook. There is no associative with moosey though. I just did my normal policy with him and his suicidal nature made me think someone who admitted cares about winning as scum wouldn't let himself die like that. Jean thought he would flip town as well to a small degree. He was a coinflippy I've had decent reads besides the EOD with ec. Which is kinda meh but everyone is wrong at points. I've just talked about other things in previous post. And if ec was trying to defend me from pressure coming up null in that situation is totally horrid. | ||
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I had to dig it up myself because I was curious so sort of bad but meh I forget things all the time. Why wouldn't it be a good thing mass claim with a tracker that claimed to track you to the kp. It's totally logical, if super is lying and knows you are wanderer in that situation it's ear with claims we 100% have a super scum. If you flip wanderer hebcould just sail by which btw is a play super would make. Which when I got clarification action from host found out impossible which is why I quit on the train of thought. Don't understand why you have highlighted about me being vindicated. You always Lynch the red check unless you have a cc obviously. | ||
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Also if I wasn't considering it why did I write long posts talking to you specifically talk to you during the night backed off of the aggro and try to figure things out while we were both here? Kind of weak just saying I only did it when jealous said it, I went way above and beyond the call for hashing out possibilities | ||
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Anyway jealous case is actually bad. 1) Early weak reads as he calls it is a staple of my game, I'm a huge tone and gut reader early usually these takes some form of semblance as the game progresses. You can see an example of this in almost any of the 50 games I've played in the database. Like this is just super easy to defend against. It's just something I do and something I'm really successful with. And generally besides with ec I've been right this game 2) I think 3/4 of the game made a baseless push for mayor this is really a non point. Really there as 6-7 people who wanted it. Doesn't make anyone scum. 3) Art and I butt heads wanted to head that off he works better without pressure as town. I generally catch him n1 as scum anyway. As for chez he was just really Towny for him, and idk why an alliance with chez would be good anyway? I just enjoy he guy. Really doesn't make anyone scum and is a narrative you are trying to force. 4) As for hypocrisy you would have to point them out tbh, me and tt went back and forth about hypocrisy which ended in my mind pretty amicably during the night and a funny gif during d1. Though flip flopping doesn't make anyone scum, generally only town flip flop super fast and care free. It's part of the problem with no information vs all info. 5)Don't think I defended moose as I said before just gave him a d1 pass as is the general policy I use and a few others use on him as well. As for ec well I ended up making a bad read because I read to much into paranoia. It happens it sucks we all are wrong sooner or later. Honestly the case is just a myriad of my posts that are plastered together to fill a narrative that I m scum, many are missing direct context of the thread and lacks clear responses by players that could influence the discussion. A lot of it also is painting me in a scummy light just to do so a lot of it also doesn't make anyone scum. Overall the case is poor and I see it coming from scum more than town. | ||
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On June 29 2016 04:33 Tictock wrote: I was going to leave this alone and do other stuff for a bit but accidentally put this quote in another window and just ran across it. This is a very interesting opinion of my play given you've been calling me scum all game. I forget which game it was, had you and three mafia in my Poe. You were a power role. You act scummier when you are a pr I believe which is unfortunate I o as well sometimes. Either way I always think that I watch pr more than scum meh | ||
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Tt is just tunneled town ir think. I'd go jealous-sk then re evaluate if game is not over. It's not super, art, GB. I guess tumble is possible but doubtful I think... Not even sure if it's sk honestly, kind of clouded on that front. Im going to go back on that one Just Lynch jealous then weigh tumble sk. Lynch chez by the third if he hasn't contributes. Then you are in mylo, hopefully GB is alive to pardon to force a 2 v 1 that's the only time to ever really go for Jean. | ||
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On June 29 2016 04:44 Superbia wrote: Wait you're conceding? Or am I reading your post wrong? If I was scum I'd concede even if I escaped today's Lynch no way over tommorow. | ||
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On June 29 2016 04:43 GlowingBear wrote: Damdy, if you get lynched, who should be the next one to be lynched? Jealous I had a list in another post but I'd reevaluate people's motives after that. | ||
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There are super strong meta reads in this game, mostly between myself and art. Partially towards gb before the claim. Besides that meta has been used pretty sparingly besides super as well. As for what's your play mafia wouldn't try that hard would come to the for front. Do I think your lock scum. Nit really I have some paranoia about someone else as well but meh. | ||
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I trust you with a gun always though, you are a good night vig. | ||
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On June 29 2016 06:20 Jean Valjean wrote: Hey guys, I'm partially unavailable today, and probably tomorrow too. I am sorry for that, I should have more time to contribute on thursday. I will try to make sense of what is going on in a little while, also I'm not particularly bothered about what we kill today. But posts like this are really what bothers me. Like really badly, so many things bother me. | ||
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Like don't get me wrong I like both you and sk regardless if I get lynched both of you have the makings of good players that just need to improve some peripheral things. That's besides the point though. Honestly btw we can't wait till lylo or mylo to look into Jean or else he automatically wins if he is scum in lylo which is what I'm paranoid about. His post just sent shivers up my spine. Which stinks I can't be on the combo but maybe the way moosey gave himself up to Jean is indicative. | ||
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On June 29 2016 06:46 Jealous wrote: I meant the case on who else you have scum leans on! Sadly I haven't built a case and I'll try to get it done by tommorow but I kind of think it's between Jean and you. Maybe tumble in a distant third but I doubt that one. And the way you are interacting with me does get you something. | ||
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The way he was kinda bullied into people's town reads how moosey basically killed himself and how Jean has kinda fallen off so hard, plus his read switch on gb+super feels off. And the amount of cred he's riding for a suiciding moose. Just makes me weirded out and think maybe scum | ||
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On June 29 2016 07:17 Tictock wrote: Ok, so assuming for a moment that you are town Damdred. I am pretty sure Jealous is not the last scum, you even gave a decent reason to TR him yourself (something about how he was posting reads as EoD was resolving & Moosy was getting lynched). Jean is an interesting suggestion as with the exception of Chez I think he's contributed the least today and even though I was tunneled on you I noticed his read on me flipped pretty dramatically when Super claimed after multiple times arguing about having a townlean on me. . and this is def pushing for mafia's best case from that The only thing that bugs me in this tinfoil Epic Bus scenario is that Emp threw his vote away along with mine on Tumble. If scum is gunna bus why not get the whole team on board? On the other hand he is in the perfect spot for scum to be sitting, I think Mayor is untraceable/uncheckable and will never be under sus for still being alive as long as BG hasn't flipped, gets an extra vote to influence mislynches, and Jean looks hella towny for having flipped the goon that obv wanted to die... ... I think I may have just talked myself into Yolo/fear lynching Jean. His no caring really has me going atm and jealous while I see some scum motivation, I see more as Jean. And one scum throwing away one vote isn't anything unheard of tbh | ||
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On June 29 2016 08:22 Tictock wrote: People People plz, we can always get back to bickering and killing each other tomorrow. Today we must focus on the matter at hand, which is ruthlessly overthrowing our elected official who has done nothing but good for us because, lets face it, he was a bit of a dick. + Show Spoiler + I was gunna point out that GB will still be our pocket confirmed town until the BG is killed, and that our lynch pool would be smaller tomorrow with a NK, but mafia can hold their shot this game so we can't necessarily get maximum info. And this isn't THAT crazy, I mean I'm only flipping my read on Damdred kus of 5 words Moosy said to Damdred. We are kinda just assuming Tumble and Skynx are lock town, and this day started out with Super fake claiming Traking me to QT. I'm pretty sure this is the only + Show Spoiler + don't tell mafia but if they hold shot we gain a ml even if we ml today | ||
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It's easy to see how you are mafia, and if we get near lylo/mylo you can't be allowed to get that far just in case honestly. And lynching a suiciding moosey isn't that great but that goes for all of is who were on you so you could kill moose. @Super you will really regret lynching me btw idk why I have to be lynched when I have put in a lot of work today and general activity is stupid high for probably dying today | ||
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On June 30 2016 02:30 Jealous wrote: To remove uncertainty from potentially painful end-game scenarios that have muddled my analytical breakdown of when we CAN or SHOULD lynch Jean, I have a couple of questions: GlowingBear, will you ever use your pardon? If so, in what scenarios and why? If you were in an endgame scenario where you had to choose between Jean and your bodyguard to lynch, who would you lynch? Jean: Under what circumstances would you push a GlowingBear lynch? What in the world was that about pushing gb | ||
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On June 30 2016 02:40 Tictock wrote: Anyways, for me Jeans play today is interesting enough to keep him in consideration. He responds to Supers claim saying it adds up because Which still seems like a very sudden flip on his read on me given these were his last posts addressing me in the night. But then hey I'm prob the only person who cares about how his read on me develops. It's more just the trend in his play today which is very survivalist motivated. "Lets just kill you both" with no thoughts attached, and remind you he had just made the point about it being stupid for scum to fake claim. Speaks for itself... Then when this pressure started he comes back and starts defending himself, while also making an out of nowhere push on Chez, and fighting/considering Art. The choice of Chez is really interesting to me because it kinda looks like a strategic choice not a reasoned one. Like Jean says this is his current scum pool. And decides Chez is the most scummy for being underwhelming. Chez also happens to be the least active/vocal of this group, is not a current wagon (so a vote for chez is not simply a vote for survival), and is kinda a wildcard player in general. I think it's an even more interesting pick when you consider the amount of evidence that we've discussed tying Damdred to both flipped scum, that I was "the most scummy player in the thread" at one point in Jean's eyes, and that he and art have been constantly fighting and accusing each other all game. Yet we all get kinda flimsy hand wavey reasons why we aren't worth considering today, well me and Damdred at least... the Art stuff is more developed. Posts like this are glad I reconsidered you. | ||
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Ehhh its kinda weak, but I don't think I want to lynch jealous especially with his attitude/interactions today. | ||
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On June 30 2016 03:25 Tictock wrote: I took another look at Moosy' filter to see if any of his posts involving Jean were revealing, but they weren't. So went to Emp's filter instead. This post gave me pause when I first saw it... Then I found the small follow up he made later one (he messed up the code in that post but this was directly responding to his own points from the above. This is actually kinda confusing, but given that Emp's main point was that Jean wasn't considering Moosy as scum I'm half tempted to just conclude that the scum team decided to bus each other all game. At first I thought this might actually prove Jean is town, especially since this was basically Emp's only push this game. However the followup he made to his own case feels weird. It's like he's still scum reading Jean but doesn't want to push him really. I'm a bit torn of how to interpret this. Anyone else have some thoughts? It's a form of distancing IMO just in case Jean or ec flips both get slight cred I think. Kind of confusing though tbh | ||
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Jean why do you do this to me, i just wanted to afk the EOD while I cooked. But I read the game and how hes approaching EOD while he leads the votes is so Towny. The way it would go and nobody wouldblame him would be to hammer me with his 2x vote and be safe. I think it's partially suicidal but would be great scum play to play the lo g game. And I don't think that's what he's doing. So maybe it's just chez? Maybe super | ||
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Chez, then super then tt. But I don't believe it exactly and need more time. It's. Really hard game | ||
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On June 30 2016 05:22 Superbia wrote: Like if the game doesn't end then damdred needs to die. 0 decent reasons from the peanut gallery still | ||
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That is to jean and super. As for you super wrong doesn't mean mafia in the ec case, and if you would check any game I was in you would see I use the exact same rules as always with moosey. | ||
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If you shenanigan to me no time really to give out final reads. If you Lynch me tommorow do chez Then you have to kill jean After that it's one of super or tt GB just do what you think is best. | ||
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On June 30 2016 05:28 Superbia wrote: I can't overlook it dude. I think your posts and activity have been townie but if chez isn't scum then last mafia is playing super well or it's jean with a yolobus. So you've never read a mafia as town? Cool story bro | ||
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On June 30 2016 05:32 Superbia wrote: Ofc I did. It's not that you read them town, it's that you gave moosy a "pass" (and that he said "hey damd, I'm the godfather" and your reponsive was awkward) and that your read on EC seemed forced. Why so defensive when I'm voting chez? Because you are ignoring every aspect of my gameplay and shoe horning everything into two things. 1) A policy I use in ever game I've played with him for awhile. 2) Not wanting to Lynch someone based off a paranoia post that everyone did. It's just bad reasoning really. | ||
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I originally unvoted because his reluctance to move his vote to me to save himself. But once he had garnered enough to save himself he moved his vote to me after finding jealous case. Which while well written is a narrative and lacks context. Then moved back to chez. It's possible chez is the scum that has given up but jeans play and his wanting to leave up to EOD leaves me wanting. And he only came back when his name popped up actively lurking. | ||
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1) since night I have been the most talked about person 2) Been in jeans Lynch pool for awhile but when he was explaining. His reads again he forgot to put me in. Which is weird. 3) led the vote for a good portion of the day 4) talked the living hell out of the thread | ||
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But Jean, and super are my top scums atm. I might have to move super up higher for being to sure of himself about lynches no flexibility about reads. Such as the always have to Lynch damdred this game. That's an improbable statement as town and it bothers me so much just not because it's me. It shows a mindset that's not really looking g for scum exactly but rather lynching people just to Lynch Like it's obvious I was still the top scum but he didn't want people to move to me exactly just stay on chez a coin flip to him, when his top scum was even on chez at points. Totally weird from a town perspective. | ||
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Even his fake claim it barely lasted anytime and it was rescinded about the time we started talking about scum big plays. Hrmmm would scum fake claim only to rescind like an hour later before any real reactions could be drawn? Yes I think it's possible. Likely idk? I need opinions on that | ||
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Like idk super read on me just feels so strange constructed and unable to move. It's like look d1 at his read at me he always had me at null no matter what like he knew I was going to get discredited or had the ability to be pushed. Even though he said he should town read me basically. Just so weird in hindsight. | ||
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Super has the activity and the weird play to be town, but has a couple things that are scum indicative to me. It's also possible super was to right d1 on moosey and on ec. If memory serves did talk GB into an ec Lynch which is points for town. The claim on tracker I think is probably more town sided than scum sided, though it was rescinded really fast with little reactions noted. I think I should townreads super and just be a bit peeved hes not better at reading me. | ||
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Damdred lock scum-only lynching damdred-Shenanigan onto jean. While I appreciate the sentiment especially silly since I thinknive been Towny. Why was it so bad you think for him to vote me there? What caused your read change on me? I know you partially answered already but just indulge me. | ||
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Anyway his refusal to really take part in the Lynch was a bit meh. Will have to wait a bit to see though | ||
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Anyway sk is it just jean now for you as scum? Or do you have anyone else you are thinking of here? I won't have time before EOD to post a last second read post so I'm going to treat this like lylo and figure out people as I go. | ||
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Also can you take me through your thought process EOD that led you thinking jealous was only scum earlier to seeing people go on chez and decide chez was most likely scum. What made jealous drop a few spots in your estimation for not being the scummiest anymore? | ||
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Also why did you move moosey from your ignore list to suddenly Lynch moose last second? His play really hadn't changed much over the day I think. | ||
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Even meta aside jealous if you reached hard enough in anyone's filter you could find 10-15 posts that are inconsistant. Also ignoring your scums game and posts since the case is not how to get them lynched either. If it's still that case which I argued against pretty effectively it's rather out dated and incomplete | ||
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If you would of pushed more effectively you could of gotten me lynched at the end instead of chez maybe, though I doubt it as most the game towns me now. Either way that's more post game than present. And not an insult | ||
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I know I'm town Sk is well reasoned and Towny, though as you go later put more pressure. Jealous is town even though he's super tunneled. Just by effort alone super is town GB is confirmed Art is town by filter length trying to figure out the game I think hes never going to be scum So games not to to hard I'll focus on the others. | ||
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On July 01 2016 03:30 Damdred wrote: But aside from that there are several curious things in jeans filter. I know I'm town Sk is well reasoned and Towny, though as you go later put more pressure. Jealous is town even though he's super tunneled. Just by effort alone super is town GB is confirmed Art is town by filter length trying to figure out the game I think hes never going to be scum So games not to to hard I'll focus on the others. Yeah I just misread I'm in a hurryvsometimes | ||
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On June 27 2016 05:58 Jean Valjean wrote: I think you're mafia. I don't think moosy is mafia. Idk I know you say your progression on moosey, but here you have it that you don't think moose is mafia. You also think super is the most guaranteed mafia at the time of the Lynch. Can you explain why you lynched moose over super exactly and why you didn't think he was scum at the end? A sort of horrid question but just go with it for now. | ||
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But got to look at tt, jean tommorow. Tw is a distant third atm | ||
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Jeans answers aren't bad, pressure him,don't sleep on him. Tt might be scum Tw also could be That's my top | ||
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On July 01 2016 06:05 GlowingBear wrote: Interesting NK I thought it was pretty obvious, though sucks my friend is gone: (. | ||
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I suggest nobody vote instead of ista vote without some form of red check. Pressure your scum reads and then move on, but stay active. Tumble, two dead people now think your possible scum. Who is scum to you and why? | ||
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On July 01 2016 06:54 Tictock wrote: My god you Yo-Yo back and forth on me. Bring it. Hi Tt, who's your top three scumatm? | ||
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So it's only Jean then me/tw. Is tumble just poe? | ||
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Also why did you swing on Jean your admitted top scum? | ||
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Its kinda interesting to me that yesterday Tt almost to me being town, then he was pre try sure I was town. Now it's I got to fight to the death with tumble when Jean was his top scum read and came around on him for little reasoning when he was so sure of him yesterday. Just funky, idk what to make of it yet. | ||
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In this situation I wouldn't shoot art I think. But it's so wifom,because he was the hardest read town person in the game everyone else people hesitate on. | ||
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On July 01 2016 09:17 Jealous wrote: What do you think is more likely scum play: 1. Someone who Artanis suspected was scum is getting rid of Artanis? 2. Someone who Artanis read as town getting rid of Artanis because suspicion on them would be unlikely? 1 is always the most likely, dead people cant push the way they see the game. | ||
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Idk I think I Ave a lot of good things in my 11 page filter however that happened. | ||
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Anyway, I don't agree necessarily that makes jean town no matter what in this situation GB, like it's more likely but moose could of voted jean there in either situation. As for saving ec, I need to look at what was going on in the thread when tumble was afk. Like the vote was so spread out before last few minutes really didn't know what would happen exactly. | ||
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On July 01 2016 06:32 Damdred wrote: I thought it was pretty obvious, though sucks my friend is gone: (. I said this after EOD. To expound I agree that art was never ever getting lynched but I think he had a somewhat low chance of being the bodyguard maybe. I think art kept his reads close enough to his chest that scum wanted to take out someone trying to solve the game and an activity driver. And who was in lynchable, art was all three. Were his reads on the last scum amazing? Maybe, we can discuss that going forward. | ||
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He did have ec as scum so maybe it was to push away from him being right on ec. Otherwise just leaves jealous, super and tw as his scum picks. Which idk not a huge amount o go off of. | ||
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Nah super unlikely Basically if you give bodyguard to a town and both mayor and pardoner are town already mafia is forced to shoot into like 7 people n1. Throw in a medic save and mafia is highly behind already. It just isn't balanced IMO, I mean you do have idiot medic moves but n1 qt should of been saved if we have a medic or jk. Also GB I think you should claim who the bg is like 5 seconds before eon if we don't hit mafia today, agree or disagree? | ||
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But yeah there ways to make sure they are town etc I think | ||
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Overall town played amazing even though we were wrong at points. | ||
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It was hard though at points to not fear Lynch jean or Lynch tt. | ||
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All in all it was a great showing d1 but got unlucky a slight bit. | ||
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Art was never the bg neither was qt, idk. I was going to make GB claim who the bg was by nights end see how it went. I think the amazing thing was yourself included tumble were hard to really pin down anything scummy. It was a really fun game and many people played really well. | ||
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He also had a couple of questionable things in his filter that could of been mafia interaction. He answered it quite well however. I think everyone made decent de visions at points. And after d1 I tr jealous pretty well throughout the game after that. Anyway the town was just good, probably to good. Best town someone should nominate it | ||
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