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Damdred
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June 18 2016 01:58 GMT
#25
/in

For rels
Damdred
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June 24 2016 21:50 GMT
#181
Hi, pretend this is a good post.

Ty will be serious later
Damdred
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June 24 2016 21:54 GMT
#184
I'm not going to run for mayor I would be happy if I was elected. My main goal is to be town read and get people who I have reads on in the important positions.

That's why every person who is up for a position should give a read list that's updated so we can see logical reason I,g and why they wish to choose their candidates. Unlike cell where we can really publish the mayor we have limited options here.

So we have to take responsibility for it.

Now any questions before I go look in the so am to see if anything interested happened
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
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June 24 2016 21:58 GMT
#186
Because I think if I try to rub for mayor I'd get to wrapped up in that instead of hunting scum early. If people want to vote me I'd make decent decisions though.

Super knee jerk town.
GB knee jerk scum! They can't bear the responsibility
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
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June 24 2016 22:11 GMT
#196
Do you have any reads or thoughts? Your locked in on super town sk?
Damdred
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June 24 2016 22:15 GMT
#198
Art can be small town as well who u will spite lynch in lylo
Damdred
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June 24 2016 22:22 GMT
#204
Hrmph halfway being ignored sadness,

Sk might be scum, qt probably town.
Damdred
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June 24 2016 23:00 GMT
#241
Mannn I feel like I need to lay down.

I'm town reading tumble now, what the hell is wrong with me. Watch him pop scum or some shit make me look like a trad.

Any way qt can you give me your impression of emperors catching up posts?
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 24 2016 23:01 GMT
#245
Omg Gratz moosey I rolled scum to let's not tell anyone in the thread a,d roll with it!!! Mwhah let's make super mayor as our third partner!
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
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June 24 2016 23:08 GMT
#248
So proud of the moose
Damdred
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June 24 2016 23:20 GMT
#265
Let me be honest with you qt.

Ignore moosey for all of d1, he automatically tries to do strange things d1 do no matter alignment he can survive till d2.

Anyway art just easier to be on your good side atn
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 24 2016 23:25 GMT
#272
I'm just saying don't make any judgements about moose till d2 as he will mostly be trollin. But unimportant.

Well tumble just a gut feeling, his sort of dodging super and being kinda meh got me,there. I think there was one answer in particular about super if I remember right that bugged me. It's still early
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 24 2016 23:30 GMT
#274
Idk why I'm taking this game serious: (. I think because I live the host and cohosts
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
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June 24 2016 23:54 GMT
#298
Never lynching me Gliwingbear ever.

Anyeay, art is right I'm trying to dial in so I'm a good person to sheep.

As for the day pass yeah I generally give moosey one and it serves ok. It's like giving ls a day pass just works so well.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 25 2016 00:00 GMT
#306
Eh mafia would probably rather fit into trying to become mayor and spam about that rather than reads after initial plan post.

Plus if I want people I read as the members means I'm giving a ton of info as scum which would be bad.

All in all while it's Mafias general goal, it's a bad one in the context of what in saying
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
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June 25 2016 00:22 GMT
#320
I think art v qt is t v t.

Its good though keep it up.
Damdred
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June 25 2016 00:25 GMT
#323
Like right now I have a small town circle of

Super, art, qt, tumble, Damdred

D1 pass moosey

So already we have a nice schmuck taken out.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 25 2016 00:26 GMT
#324
On June 25 2016 09:25 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2016 09:22 Damdred wrote:
I think art v qt is t v t.

Its good though keep it up.


Actually, doesn't it look like they are trying to distance from each other?


Nope don't think so. But it's a good thought. Keep it up and you can be in the circle
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
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June 25 2016 00:27 GMT
#325
Oh emperor is interesting opinions would,be nice.
Damdred
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June 25 2016 03:19 GMT
#374
Man chez is so town I feel he's going at the top of my town circle. Seriously.

The house of brown is great can I be a member this game chez and bring the politics of brown here?

Anyway I really can't substantiate my reads tonight as I'm in a movie I'll do it tommorow. And they all can be broke down as meta/shallow reasons atm. But my early gut reads are good meh.

I want to hear more on emperor and want tt to be in thread
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 25 2016 03:23 GMT
#375
It's interesting only people I'd be happy lynching into today

Tt, sk, Jin, jealous

Emperor im not sure of yet kinda want to put him out of conversation.

But Im not sure why I don't buy the town reads on sk it just doesn't feel or look right to me yet.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 25 2016 03:34 GMT
#378
Not really something tells me that you probably aren't scum and I liked several of your posts.


Problem is all of them besides tt are low hanging fruit so far this game which is bothersome


Movie is starting.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 25 2016 03:48 GMT
#381
Just a couple, your initial response to my opening post was good and showed you were reading carefully.

The post about art/qt about distancing while I disagreed showed a nice jumping around logic and looking at things from different hard to see angles.

I'm fact I don't think mafia GB makes that post especially going after art who is almost impossible to Lynch as town.

So yeah just some fun thinking from you. I think your town actually.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 25 2016 06:14 GMT
#392
Qt you think chez is scum?
Damdred
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June 25 2016 13:40 GMT
#438
On June 25 2016 21:52 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2016 08:47 QuickTwist wrote:
So... are we past the BS stage or not?


Why do you seem so uncomfortable this game?

I get you are trying to play different but you had no issue jumping in and being trolly before. I don't get it.


I kinda hate this post btw, feels like art already covered this a bit with his initial scum read and feels like a parrot with trying to seem new.

Maybe TT can stay in my lynch list meh nothing to smart sounding yet.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
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June 25 2016 13:40 GMT
#439
On June 25 2016 22:38 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2016 12:34 Damdred wrote:
Not really something tells me that you probably aren't scum and I liked several of your posts.


Problem is all of them besides tt are low hanging fruit so far this game which is bothersome


Movie is starting.



I actually really want to know why you called me out in this post, like of all the people who hadn't posted why do I stand out?


Because you were the best player who isn't low hanging fruit to post, actually make use of your time besides harping on something that is answered clearly in the text.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 25 2016 14:12 GMT
#446
On June 25 2016 23:11 QuickTwist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2016 22:40 Damdred wrote:
On June 25 2016 21:52 Tictock wrote:
On June 25 2016 08:47 QuickTwist wrote:
So... are we past the BS stage or not?


Why do you seem so uncomfortable this game?

I get you are trying to play different but you had no issue jumping in and being trolly before. I don't get it.


I kinda hate this post btw, feels like art already covered this a bit with his initial scum read and feels like a parrot with trying to seem new.

Maybe TT can stay in my lynch list meh nothing to smart sounding yet.


TT, you got a response to this?


a person after my own heart.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 25 2016 14:50 GMT
#454
How am i pushing shitty scum reads again?

Why are my townreads super lazy again when i've beat most of the game to the same reads exactly?
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 25 2016 15:25 GMT
#459
Actually yes you were trying to pick up the game and making comments about everything but while you were reading you totally glossed over a huge argument that you basically say the exact same thing and have to be reminded to even respond to things.

It just has the semblance of doing things without actually doing them.

Even now you are doing nothing but trying to discredit me and trying to soft push scum on me for no real reason what soever besides I have you in my poe list that i'm willing to lynch into today.

And honestly your posts don't inspire a lot of confidence or making me want to reconsider my stance.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
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June 25 2016 15:33 GMT
#463
And who exactly is scum TT? Even outside me?
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
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June 25 2016 15:43 GMT
#468
Give good reasoning on them right now TT. since you want to lambast all of my reads and say they are all shit lets see it with a decent explanation.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 25 2016 15:55 GMT
#475
Nothing i've said has been little at this junction, you did a read through commented on something. Never even responded to the same argument that was already presented and the answer given within like the first 5 real pages of the game.

And now you refuse to substantiate any form of scum reads you are given which is a reason you are alluding to scum reading me for btw. Which is kind of funny actually.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 25 2016 16:09 GMT
#480
But on the other hand kind of want to townreads tt....hrmmm decisions come after food
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 25 2016 18:04 GMT
#510
Tumble is lame though, his filter is definition of lame town sadly.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 25 2016 18:22 GMT
#514
When you quite something it formats itself to your time in thread. But otherwise will be correct time when quoted directly I believe. Or something like that.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 25 2016 18:24 GMT
#515
Anyway gb was showing thought progression and jumping slightly between topics. It was a decent thought at a different angle Luke I've explained before.

Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
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June 25 2016 18:29 GMT
#517
I'll hug you abd bounce you on my lap art.

Arts town though by activity attitude etc. Plus if he's tricking me letting him live will tire him out rip.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 25 2016 18:58 GMT
#528
Thing is idk why tumble has Tt as probably town and me as nukl. It doesn't make a ton of sense.m to me here.

Sk is interesting though Super aggro but he's ignoring obvious answers to questions that are just a few posts later so I am feeling wishy washy so far
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 25 2016 19:04 GMT
#532
Well we can't have everyone town read there has to be a scum even outside moosey for you tumble.

And Tt idk he just wasn't very smart in his postings took a post that was a compliment to him not being lynch bait now tried to use it to scum read me, and has been boring sense trying to make mud stick.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 25 2016 19:21 GMT
#538
I feel bad for the launcher today tbh.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 25 2016 19:45 GMT
#548
Sk do you think chez is scum here? Curious on that read
Damdred
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June 25 2016 21:20 GMT
#552
How drunk was gb last night
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 25 2016 23:14 GMT
#563
Actually I'd make a great pardoned.

Qt would be a solid choice for,mayor imo
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 25 2016 23:45 GMT
#582
Man art these kids now a days have no respect for me trusting you and super over me tsk
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 25 2016 23:53 GMT
#588
The most interesting thing is besides Tt I think I have solid reasons to tr most people.

Jean is null though. Its going to be a long and hard game it seems. There is one reason to tr Jean but idk could be a smurf
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 26 2016 03:46 GMT
#652
Seriously why don't we make me mayor?

I'm still a good player, I'm obviously going to try this game and with double votes mafia has to kill me before lylo anyway.

It's the best of both worlds, a good dialed in scum hunting damdred with double votes
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 26 2016 03:49 GMT
#654
Well I really don't but nobody is really taking the reigns and it looks like a horridly hard d1. And this secures an early exit for the game for me. So I can be bursty for the next few days and mafia has to kill me.

The more I think about it the more I like killing scum or at least a good Lynch bait and then mafia shooting me.

Excellent
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 26 2016 03:57 GMT
#659
Super has fallen off pretty damn hard I likes early tone. But idk might start dropping him soonish
Damdred
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June 26 2016 04:03 GMT
#661
Yeah that was a good post by superbia
Damdred
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June 26 2016 12:48 GMT
#793
Just read that whole spill just woke up will give reads in a bit
Damdred
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June 26 2016 13:25 GMT
#797
Nobody else over moosey super?
Damdred
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June 26 2016 13:57 GMT
#799
I'm reading filters atm I'll give you a definite shortly
Damdred
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June 26 2016 14:17 GMT
#801
On June 26 2016 18:18 Superbia wrote:
A quick few notes about how I feel about damdred btw:

I think damdred could be scum, but not for the reasons that have been brought up (iirc). I think his reads have been sort of relaxed and I can see them coming from a town perspective. I do want to see some reasons behind them. Especially the two I asked at the start of the game.

Damdred's most scummy play this game has been his chicanery regarding presidency. He started the game off with the whole "I don't want to be president but I want to support a town president" or something along those lines. I think this is actually sort of scummy. I think as town you want to be the president, especially if you believe in your own ability. Moreover, it felt like he did want the presidency from the very start. His last page of his filter also has him pushing more and more towards getting the presidency.

Damdred, can you explain? Did you really not want presidency? If so, what has changed?

Moreover, can you elaborate on your early reads a little? Why did you conclude artanis vs qt was TvT that quickly?


Mostly the reasoning to scum read me is pretty weak tbh. While it's wifom at best I'm playing pretty solidly in my town meta, heavily town hunting. Weighing in on whatever I want to talk about and not really caring what people think.

Its wifom,because I'm aware of it though. Most of the reasons to scum read me have been at best lax.

Even yours super are somewhat bad. I didn't want president early because I just wanted to try to solve the game. Now that I think the game is super difficult in all actuality I trust my way to lead town to a decent lynch.

I also already answered this as well when tumble asked me I believe.

As for my early reads I'm working on filters still would rather just get then all out at once.

As for the t v t. I always thought qt was town because of how he was approaching game and the way he was trying to interact with people. I thought he was a really easy read.

Art was putting in some decent effort at that point, tone was good and what he was saying even if I disagreed at least showed an ok thought progression.

There were a couple times in the fight where both parties were giving off a fuck you vibe that I generally pin to town as well.

Either way to simplify it just felt like t v t, and no real manipulation to make the other look scum was present to me.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 26 2016 14:44 GMT
#802
If you mean my super early town circle of

Art, Damdred, tumble, super, chez

Chez just seemed to be read I,g and thinking about the game and pointed out some setup things I think only he would do as town. He is chez and is my friend won't lynch! Really though it's town sided for him to do those things.

Tumble was a total tone read early, since then he's been super active. He's been pushing different angles and seemingly is trying to figure out people's alignments while 're evaluating when new things cone up. Pretty sure town

Super was the decent amount of posting early and the prodding towards people while,not over reacting when told to wait on things. Also him trying to organize today points to town as well and hi a general activity.

Art is just town at this point though. Super active pushing things he seemingly believes. It was the sane early as well, his little retaliation towards Jean feels like town art as well as he is vindictive if you call him scum. Which is part of the reason for,ny early tr I wanted to work with him.

My gb read is explained in my filter earlier and I still stick with it. The only real problem I have is a lack of reads later in the day. But that's nai a for him, overall still town.

Any direct questions that I need to expand on these people is ok.

And atm I kind of want to lynch jealous.

The reasoning for this lynch is that his activity is still super low eleven though we've been in the game what over 36 hours? His one post of actual content actually seems like tmi especially towards art to me. Just seems strange never playing with art and just coming away he's town without any paranoia.

S far he's my lynch but still reading a couple
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 26 2016 14:49 GMT
#804
Oh I forgot qt

Just totally town early game by tone, his activity level and his I,involvement. The way he handled the pressure from art was great, he's not stiff and he's pressuring people. His thoughts seem genuine and he isn't holding anything back.

Super likely town .
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 26 2016 14:50 GMT
#805
If your lynching art who is a strong town read of mine I will not vote you I am afraid.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 26 2016 14:59 GMT
#807
I explained it a little bit previously, if it was just activity I would probably give him another day.

Its mainly that one post describing the qt v art fight as town v town. Its his only contribution and it doesn't make sense to me coming from his position of not knowing art. And honestly art came off a little worse than qt in that exchange.

So not sure why he would think that it just feels like Tmi to me.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 26 2016 15:05 GMT
#811
On June 27 2016 00:04 GlowingBear wrote:
Jesus you guys give people free town passes too easily


Nope
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 26 2016 15:21 GMT
#833
On June 27 2016 00:10 Superbia wrote:
Damdred why are you not reading scum into the Artanis wagon?


Because there is really no reason at present to scum read Jean. He's well thought out and logical. Coups he be scum? It's possible he is and is just playing a rather good d1. More than likely he is town.

And yeah currently a jealous, Tt team really appeals to me. The third I'm not totally sure of one could of slipped into,my tr. I wouldn't lynch emperor or moose today.

I would lynch between jealous and Tt, with a fondness for jealous.

And yes the game can just be that simple meh.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 26 2016 15:26 GMT
#837
Dear God super I've explained twice why I think jealous is mafia. For asking me so many questions you aren't reading ny posts at all?

I've been well,documented thinking Tt is scum
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 26 2016 15:57 GMT
#864
I won't vote gb or super and neither should have the pardoned position.

And gb it's because you don't do well with these sorts of decisions tbh.

While I tr both all a sudden the last few pages have made me kind of suspicious on super just seems off now.

I would like to be pardoner or mayor. There will always be debate but I am one of the best players in this game. And idk why art isn't voting for me rip.

Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
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June 26 2016 16:07 GMT
#866
Gb that doesn't matter while,I respect you and like you. I just don't think you have it, you make some won my decisions off the cuff sometimes.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 26 2016 16:33 GMT
#873
Gb your much to flighty and make off the cuff decisions in every game we are ever in. Except when your scum. Well even then simetimes.

You being named vt really matters nothing to me tbh.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 26 2016 17:11 GMT
#890
I'd be ok with a Tt lynch like really ok
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
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June 26 2016 17:12 GMT
#892
Where did I give ec a pass I've been,trying to decide if he's scum or been for awhile I didn't,mind his early posts. And these later ones aren't horrid he's at least thinking.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 26 2016 17:18 GMT
#894
On June 25 2016 12:23 Damdred wrote:
It's interesting only people I'd be happy lynching into today

Tt, sk, Jin, jealous

Emperor im not sure of yet kinda want to put him out of conversation.

But Im not sure why I don't buy the town reads on sk it just doesn't feel or look right to me yet.


Gen I guess I did give him a halfway day pass
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
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June 26 2016 17:19 GMT
#895
I'm trying to remember what I was seeing. I think he said some things that were ok but kinda side lined wanted to see more from him.

But I probably would retract it but he's had some decent posts and went after a hard target so idk if I would lynch today
Damdred
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15669 Posts
June 26 2016 17:50 GMT
#923
On June 27 2016 02:47 emperorchampion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2016 02:43 emperorchampion wrote:
On June 27 2016 02:40 GlowingBear wrote:
Reminder:

I AM NAMED VT

Vote me for mayor but REMEMBER TO SPREAD YOUR VOTES WITH SOMEONE VERY TOWNIE

Don't just vote me or you'll let Mafia have an easy time to decide the pardonner


Whether or not this is true, this is such a good play since you won't be able to be cop read once you are pardoner.


Actually has anybody discussed this, other than the fact that it's pretty much un-cc'able? I would feel OK about this if it were any other green / blue role.



Ec can be town today. Its a good thought.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 26 2016 18:13 GMT
#941
Doesn't really matter how you feel about it.

Art and super don't play as mafia past d3 just can't keep it up meh, so activity is a major indicator for both,
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 26 2016 19:31 GMT
#975
Why am I not even being considered for pardoner when I an the best person ons ite finding town and actually being right?

Literally I am the most level headed and incapable of omgus for a long time. Get me pardoner and gb mayor.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 26 2016 19:35 GMT
#978
My reads aren't off at all the only person I'm reconsidering is super.

I have Tt as scum.

Jealous as a lower null

Super US falling

Ec is a higher null

Not a bad pool tbh I wouldn't lynch ec today at all
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 26 2016 19:36 GMT
#980
Like his thought about you being mayor and not being able to be cup checked just screams paranoid town.

Its such a good thought and comes from town so often. Its so healthy thought process.
Damdred
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June 26 2016 19:36 GMT
#981
On June 27 2016 04:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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On June 27 2016 04:31 Damdred wrote:
Why am I not even being considered for pardoner when I an the best person ons ite finding town and actually being right?

Literally I am the most level headed and incapable of omgus for a long time. Get me pardoner and gb mayor.

I'd be fine with it. Just not sure you'll get enough support anyway.


Kinda sad isn't it?
Damdred
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June 26 2016 19:41 GMT
#984
You've had some really really weird posts super, you haven't been reading the thread closely asking for repeated answers to,things answered the previous page.

Its just weird tbh couplers with your Kong absences I can't keep you locked town.
Damdred
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June 26 2016 19:42 GMT
#985
On June 27 2016 04:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2016 04:36 Damdred wrote:
On June 27 2016 04:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 27 2016 04:31 Damdred wrote:
Why am I not even being considered for pardoner when I an the best person ons ite finding town and actually being right?

Literally I am the most level headed and incapable of omgus for a long time. Get me pardoner and gb mayor.

I'd be fine with it. Just not sure you'll get enough support anyway.


Kinda sad isn't it?

Eh I'm kinda fine with both Jean and Tumble getting it too. Pretty confident in both being town atm.


Nobody has faith in me anymore: (
Damdred
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June 26 2016 19:46 GMT
#989
Long absences super. Ie you have been absent for a unsuper amount of time.

I definitely won't lynch you but I can't keep you so high now.
Damdred
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June 26 2016 19:50 GMT
#991
On June 27 2016 04:45 GlowingBear wrote:
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On June 25 2016 23:57 Tictock wrote:
I'm thinking we should try our best to make today's vote a 7v6.

If we let things get too split or try to do last min shenanigans it will give scum potential to move votes into a position that gives them a mayoral role.

This actually becomes pretty simple today if people can agree I'm clearly the best pardoner. Then we can focus on who should be mayor and who should be the D1 lynch (so basically everyone focus on a townread and scumread and see which we best agree on).

I might be overthinking this, but today's vote is actually fairly important and can prob secure a town victory if we play it right.


Art I just saw this post and I really like it. His other posts before this aren't really alignment indicative in my opinion. It's just... Lazy...


This post is so easy for either alignment to make though. Like really nai
Damdred
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June 26 2016 20:03 GMT
#1000
Art is everyone right saying I haven't done anything this gane?

I've felt I have taken a stance on everything,this game so far and have opinions that are clearly stated throughout?

Some opinions that are quite contrary to sentiment. Idk
Damdred
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June 26 2016 20:05 GMT
#1002
Ooooo crap jealous is scum.

He was the first to scum read chez and hasn't played with him.

Come brothers it,must be done.
Damdred
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June 26 2016 20:08 GMT
#1003
God the more I read the jealous post the more I hate it.

The gb read doesn't make sense at all, it sounds like a scum read for lack of activity no real contribution to the game. But town leans him anyway.

God that's craxy
Damdred
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June 26 2016 20:09 GMT
#1004
Like jealous isn't even reading the game it seems as its clear why gb is getting mayor because he's claimed blue lol?
Damdred
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June 26 2016 20:16 GMT
#1007
Just feels nm so fabricated idk what else to say about jealous reads.

A lot of safe reads I think or ones that seem safe.

Maybe I'm tainted by a bit of omgus but the list just seems strange to me.
Damdred
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June 26 2016 20:17 GMT
#1008
Idc about that now, really want other people's opinions about jealous read post. Really everyone weigh in
Damdred
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June 26 2016 20:44 GMT
#1024
That's the thing though jealous the whole,basis for gb running for mayor is in his filter.

And also your read still sounds like a scum read that ends in a non logical concussion.

Would still lynch Tt first for,not doing anything at all
Damdred
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June 26 2016 20:54 GMT
#1032
Lynch Tt Jean blah
Damdred
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June 26 2016 20:56 GMT
#1036
Economic also had another really good post that was heavy with paranoia I felt and a good point about gb,

Idk how I feel about gb being pardoner though might spite pardon today
Damdred
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June 26 2016 20:57 GMT
#1038
I also think moosey flips town though meh. Just a gut feel nothing to base it on
Damdred
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June 26 2016 20:59 GMT
#1048
But that makes no sense jealous, if he wouldn't of been pushing for mayor you would town lean someone who's done nothing in your estimate?
Damdred
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June 26 2016 21:10 GMT
#1066
Huh moosey was playing against wincon either way.

Kinda thought idk.

It was a good shot just sucks for his team.
Damdred
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June 26 2016 21:11 GMT
#1067
Eh super hit moosey out really early kinda never want to lynch him yet.
Damdred
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June 26 2016 21:19 GMT
#1075
A moosey+Tt team makes sense I was playing with the idea.

A moose+super doesn't tbh especially with a general rule of ignoring moosey d1. Early call out was good
Damdred
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June 26 2016 21:25 GMT
#1079
You know a gb+tt+moosey isn't the most out there team
Damdred
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June 26 2016 21:36 GMT
#1083
Art I think w should move jealous up into the probably town.

Had a thought about him and his moosey read. Jean had a decent shot being mayor and lynching moosey wouldn't be a bad play to hard bus moosey there. Instead he gives a pretty good rationale read of a null.

Also even though moosey was about to flip scum he continued to give us reads because he had them, done.

Its kind of weak and,maybe a bit dumb but I think he's town now.

Why is sk so High again?
Damdred
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June 26 2016 21:44 GMT
#1088
Because I didn't want ec lynched, I came up with decent reasoning foe him to be town. Gb was apparently lurking and not interested in discussing the lynch.

Jean makes logical sense and cares and did the right thing for town. And was here actually trying to,figure things out.

I'd much rather someone who's here,figuring,out over someone who's not. Plus got a stronger town read on Jean.
Damdred
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June 26 2016 21:53 GMT
#1095
Lol obviously you disagree with you being there gb.

But what about tt
Damdred
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June 26 2016 21:55 GMT
#1097
What's wrong with Jean here gb?
Damdred
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June 26 2016 22:07 GMT
#1100
He's a non entity his reasoning for scum reading people is weak, when confronted about his scum reads he just laughed off the scum reads on art and i.

Never even has a real documented reason to scum read moosey just kinda sheep's super never mentions it again.

Lacks real smart posts, his cases aren't well thought out in that vein.

Also is super disinterested in the game. Game closely resemble storm mafia three where he was Scum.

Just a few reasons. Oh yeah refused to talk about town reads also or says he would.
Damdred
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June 26 2016 22:07 GMT
#1101
On June 27 2016 07:04 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2016 06:55 Damdred wrote:
What's wrong with Jean here gb?



I'm the un'ccd Named VT. He is just french.


This doesn't matter in an open setup gb and you know it
Damdred
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June 26 2016 22:13 GMT
#1103
On June 27 2016 07:13 Chezinu wrote:
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On June 27 2016 06:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 27 2016 06:50 Jealous wrote:
On June 27 2016 06:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 27 2016 06:42 Jealous wrote:
On June 27 2016 06:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 27 2016 06:36 Damdred wrote:
Art I think w should move jealous up into the probably town.

Had a thought about him and his moosey read. Jean had a decent shot being mayor and lynching moosey wouldn't be a bad play to hard bus moosey there. Instead he gives a pretty good rationale read of a null.

Also even though moosey was about to flip scum he continued to give us reads because he had them, done.

Its kind of weak and,maybe a bit dumb but I think he's town now.

Why is sk so High again?

I thought he was town already but yeah that's good reasoning.

Skynx is that high because of his case on me which I find difficult to come from newbie scum.
On June 27 2016 06:38 Jealous wrote:
On June 27 2016 06:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 27 2016 06:33 Jealous wrote:
On June 27 2016 06:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Absolutely 100% confirmed town
Chezinu


Town
Quicktwist
Jean Valjean
Damdred
Skynx
Tumblewood


Townish
GlowingBear


-power gap-

Jealous
Emperorarechampion

Mildly leaning mafia
Superbia

Lean mafia
Ticktock

Could you elaborate on why Chezinu is such a strong townread for you? I didn't see anything in his filter that would make me townread him, especially not so strongly.

Start of my filter

To me this makes the rest of your reads feel diluted if you are mixing in joke reads into them. What are your true feelings about Chezinu's filter?

I will not lynch the Chezinu. He is my friend.

No offense, but I find bias to be a poor mentality for this sort of game. Let me rephrase the question - What are your objective thoughts on Chezinu's filter? In other words, if you were not his friend, what would you make of his participation so far?

I will not lynch the Chezinu. He is my friend.

I don't like this answer ): Objectively analyzing a filter and sharing your conclusions would be to the benefit of the town, and you are dodging the responsibility.

I will not lynch the Chezinu. He is my friend.


Think he is jealous?


Are we friends chez?
Damdred
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June 26 2016 22:32 GMT
#1109
You at never confirmed in an open set up gb until you die. Unless you have a role that can be proved
Damdred
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June 26 2016 22:34 GMT
#1110
Well seni-open setup
Damdred
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June 26 2016 23:04 GMT
#1118
If you would finish the thread pretty sure you would,know a lot more instead of ask I,g them as you go. Though does make your filter look,better out of co,text which might be what you are going for
Damdred
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June 26 2016 23:04 GMT
#1119
Also it's pre try clear from ny filter I came back still push I,g you as scum so yeaaa
Damdred
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June 27 2016 01:52 GMT
#1133
On June 27 2016 10:18 Tictock wrote:
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On June 27 2016 06:19 Damdred wrote:
A moosey+Tt team makes sense I was playing with the idea.

A moose+super doesn't tbh especially with a general rule of ignoring moosey d1. Early call out was good


I thought it was Jealous and Me and you wanted to ignore or sorta TR Moosy.

I think I'm lynching you no matter what tomorrow Damdred. You have said jack shit to push a scum read, didn't help town consolidate onto a good mayor and went from, "I dont want to be mayor", to "I want to be Mayor", to "I'm good a town reads I should be pardoner".

You generally seemed content to push afk people and myself while pushing discussion away from Moosy multiple times.

Mostly it's just that nothing you've said feels like you are really thinking about things beyond a surface level.


How did I not consolidate on a good mayor?

I pushed from my Lynch list, which most of the game agreed on mostly tbh. Idk how I pushed away from moose when you can clearly see in any game I'm with moose in that it is my policy to ignore him d1 as he's much easier to read afterwards.

Then come at me and I'll bury you.

Nothing you've said makes me scum and your read is bad.
Damdred
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June 27 2016 02:05 GMT
#1134
Actually I'm not going to get hostile, while I agree phone posting is probably causing my thoughts to get more jumbled. I think my progressions on most of my reads and reasonings posted in thread are decent.

My scum reads presented have had factual reasons behind them and have shown progression ie jealous for example went, light scum-hard scum read-conversation-light scum-new thought-town.

While you are a bit difficult to understand tt with your bouts of afk and while you paint me scummy for diverting attention from moose you yourself pushed light scum on him and never pushed it at all.

So you are coming across pretty hypocritical, also you say I'm only pushing afk or you. I don't know why that's a big surprise since I am town reading most of the game, and the main reason I consolidated like I did was because ec was a town read and didn't want him to die and had no read on moose.

I regret that I had to break my policy but Jean did the right thing.
Damdred
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June 27 2016 03:26 GMT
#1137
On June 27 2016 11:24 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2016 10:52 Damdred wrote:
On June 27 2016 10:18 Tictock wrote:
On June 27 2016 06:19 Damdred wrote:
A moosey+Tt team makes sense I was playing with the idea.

A moose+super doesn't tbh especially with a general rule of ignoring moosey d1. Early call out was good


I thought it was Jealous and Me and you wanted to ignore or sorta TR Moosy.

I think I'm lynching you no matter what tomorrow Damdred. You have said jack shit to push a scum read, didn't help town consolidate onto a good mayor and went from, "I dont want to be mayor", to "I want to be Mayor", to "I'm good a town reads I should be pardoner".

You generally seemed content to push afk people and myself while pushing discussion away from Moosy multiple times.

Mostly it's just that nothing you've said feels like you are really thinking about things beyond a surface level.


How did I not consolidate on a good mayor?

I pushed from my Lynch list, which most of the game agreed on mostly tbh. Idk how I pushed away from moose when you can clearly see in any game I'm with moose in that it is my policy to ignore him d1 as he's much easier to read afterwards.

Then come at me and I'll bury you.

Nothing you've said makes me scum and your read is bad.


It's great that you've called me scum all game but talk to me like you think I'm town.

You pushed against GB or Super being mayor, but ended up voting GB (can't really find why in your filter) and then voted Jean who I don't think you ever gave a read on. You started off with "I don't want to be mayor" then made a couple "Why aren't people considering me for mayor/pardoner" posts. Never pushed any of your townreads to be mayor. So you were pushing against GB being mayor despite reading him as town, but were only offering yourself as an alternative. Just weren't involved in that discussion at all.

And stuff like this was kinda pushing things away from Moosy.
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2016 22:25 Damdred wrote:
Nobody else over moosey super?

Show nested quote +
On June 27 2016 05:57 Damdred wrote:
I also think moosey flips town though meh. Just a gut feel nothing to base it on


I also think it's weird how you keep trying to build teams around me without really pushing me too much directly. Or more like you keep calling me scum but aren't doing much to show why I'm scum.



I don't think I've weekly pushed you at all. I talk to you with respect and with knowledge I could be wrong and it's always better to be courteous anyway.

As for pushing against moose why is it so bad that I asked if there was anyone else they wanted to Lynch exactly? Isuper hasn't exactly been super forthcoming with the scum reads up to this point.

And I wanted to see if there was anyone the thread could agree on. Which I tried to push jealous a hit around that time as well but he came back pretty good

And if you look at Jean he was in the same boat as me thinking it was a coinflippy at best. So pretty thread sentimental there, and tbh I probably come off looking better if I yell and throw things to make Jean Lynch moose instead of being half committed. But that is wifom and should be ignored.

There have been at least two instances where I have explained my scum read on you directly in fact I think one was just a page or two ago in reply to GB asking me why I was scum reading you.

I also pushed for your lynch over gc and over moose to some degree. But I didn't overly push anything as I am usually doing d1 I just town hint early which is what I did again and got left with people I wanted to Lynch.

And it's not to weird I build my scum team around you when you are my strongest scum read currently, have little interaction with moose in your filter even though you say he's your first scum read really can't tell it much instead of focusing on him you focus art and myself.
Damdred
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June 27 2016 15:00 GMT
#1206
On June 27 2016 23:13 emperorchampion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2016 21:12 Tictock wrote:
Yea thats the one.

The whole switch of choice over who to lynch is what makes this an imposing EoD to reread. Not only do I need to look at why people voted who they did for mayor, but when that happened in correlation with who the mayor claimed would be the lynch.

That's why I've had issues with Damdred's filter kus his vote and reads were all over the place EoD. Said he didn't trust GB to be mayor kus he's "wishy-washy" or something, voted GB. Pressed Jean to Lynch me and semi-defended Moosy, voted Jean right before EoD who claimed he was going to lynch Moosy.

Like the switch at the end seems towny because Moosy was scum, but nothing about how he got there makes any sense to me.


Damdred has stated at least once his reasons for switching, this post feels very fluffy


I'm glad someone reads my posts!

We can be friends for so long! And if your scum you pocketed me so hard right now
Damdred
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June 27 2016 16:21 GMT
#1218
Poor chez doesn't want to help his friends.

Anyway got a few things to do today and then back to finding the mafia.
Damdred
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June 27 2016 19:45 GMT
#1248
SK how did I not comment on it when I see ifically said I disagreed but it was a good thought by GB?

Fibbing doesn't get you points.

Back to date day
Damdred
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June 27 2016 19:51 GMT
#1253
On June 28 2016 04:45 Damdred wrote:
SK how did I not comment on it when I see ifically said I disagreed but it was a good thought by GB?

Fibbing doesn't get you points.

Back to date day


I ho early don't know why nobody said this rip
Damdred
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June 27 2016 20:01 GMT
#1260
What ego exactly? I've been pretty pleasant the entirety of the game and even when insulting GB well GB understood what I was getting at and the game in question.

As for bad scum I'm actually one of the best scum on site so meh at that.

As for you being insulting for no reason, its apparent autocorrect got me
So no reason to get nasty for being called out on something factual.
Damdred
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June 27 2016 20:04 GMT
#1262
Its not ego.

That's why tl sent me to the mafia champs, and why I'm rated in the top 10 players on site. I neither discredit nor treat people poorly.

So trying to get me riled up is poor taste
Damdred
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June 27 2016 20:05 GMT
#1263
Bye
Damdred
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June 27 2016 20:31 GMT
#1267
I don't understand what's wrong with my attitude tbh.

But idk why I'm commenting getting in trouble on my date.

Anyway factually the statement is incorrect and its super likely for players to disagree and be able to see the other is town. Its not uncommon as well

I know GB tbh and his thought process was good just wrong in that regard which I said
Damdred
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June 27 2016 20:31 GMT
#1268
On June 28 2016 05:29 GlowingBear wrote:
Damdy am I town?


60/40 town atm paranoia atm
Damdred
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June 27 2016 22:13 GMT
#1307
Right about TT vindication

##vote ticktock
Damdred
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June 27 2016 22:14 GMT
#1308
Beat part was there mafia pushed d1
Damdred
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June 28 2016 02:29 GMT
#1323
I mean yeah there is a chance of tt being a wanderer but it's a really small chance that tt is a wanderer and he just so happened to visit the person that was nk.

It's crazy if that's true
Damdred
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June 28 2016 02:31 GMT
#1324
Then again he what if super is a rolecop and found out tt was a wanderer and he flips wanderer he can just go on his merry way and get not judgement because he claimed tracker.

Maybe a mass claim of roles would be OK? If we have another information gathering ability with a vig and a claimed tracker we could go from there.

Also if tt was mafia kinda would see him I tantly conceding to.

But I kind of want a mass claim to see if wr have to many pr for it to be true.
Damdred
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June 28 2016 02:48 GMT
#1326
Oh I thought em flipped framer for some reason idk why my bad.

Then yeah forget that thing I'm a little drunk
Damdred
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June 28 2016 02:50 GMT
#1327
Actually just thought of something else.

If emperor role ops tt and they get the check back in qt the other scum would know tt is a wanderer. Super could go for the mega plat and claim it on tt with no repercussions.

So I don't think a mass claim is a horrid idea to make sure we don't have to many blues
Damdred
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June 28 2016 02:56 GMT
#1328
Actually it's a little scary tbh,

Super can claim RB for rest of game and that's why they don't kill him.

It's a play I would make with that information and they could have the info 100% makes sense with how tt been playing. He's been playing like he's a power role with how he doesn't care he's a good person to check...

Idk easiest and hopeful solution is tt is scum, but idk some of his interchanges with me make me think he might not be. I'm just paranoid I know but..
Damdred
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June 28 2016 02:59 GMT
#1329
I mean that's kind of why I want a mass claim, if we have an OK amount of pr it means no matter what super is probably town just if tt flips scum it's over anyway and who cares.

If we have to many we know tt is town and super is the scum.
Damdred
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June 28 2016 03:00 GMT
#1330
And probably more than 2 power roles are pushing the limits sadly more than 3 is one is scum
Damdred
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June 28 2016 04:49 GMT
#1333
Why Lynch me GB?

To prove you never can read me my friend?

Besides that my theory isn't that bad a mass claim is a good idea besides bodyguard that is
Damdred
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June 28 2016 04:56 GMT
#1336
I had no reaction to your fake claim because I didn't care tbh, it's right there with things you do.

It's a good shot cause it hit mafia, was a poor EOD read based off paranoia he had towards you. Earlier I had him in lynch list meh was a poor decision.

Anyway kinda weak my hearty friend.

Be back
Damdred
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June 28 2016 04:57 GMT
#1338
Also ignore my theories emperors che la wouldn't be given to scum team.

So no need to hypothesize about them.
Damdred
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June 28 2016 05:46 GMT
#1349
Simple English jealous

Super claims track on tt

Three situations

1) TT was scum that got traxked
2) tt was wanderer but got screwed
3) tt is a vt super does a play or is scum and dying tommorow

There is a subset of points that's probably better described as a big play by scum who's alone

Ec who's rolecop checks tt comes back wanderer
Last scum super sees this and goes jackpot
Claims tracker to coast out a few mislynches as confirmed town.
Claims RB since then as scum is trying to find the bg and has reasons to be alive.

Fact: super has rescinded a claim to bait out reactions or do a play as scum.

I was thinking this makes tt and super probably town though.
Damdred
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June 28 2016 05:47 GMT
#1350
Also found out from host that checks are not delivered if they die to mafia qt as that rule just depends on host.

So the first theory is out the window.

Conclusion: superbia is most likely town drawing out a concede from mafia.

Damdred
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June 28 2016 05:49 GMT
#1351
Also kinda think tt is town from reaction but undecided, like he sounded really Towny. But he's a smart player and could have a godfather role which he k is can't be tracked.

So yeah, but he wasn't going to cc super either so idk maybe wait for super to bring claim back in that situation.

It's a super strange situation. Also have a hard time seeing no RB in the scum team. Idk
Damdred
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June 28 2016 05:50 GMT
#1353
On June 28 2016 14:38 Skynx wrote:
Anyway. Nice thing is we can mislynch all 3 of Super/TT/Damdred and still win.


Also skynx kinda claimed scum here lol.

Since he knows all three of us will be mislynches.
Damdred
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June 28 2016 05:51 GMT
#1355
On June 28 2016 14:49 Superbia wrote:
What's the play if I'm the last scum left damdred?


It's what I concluded you were town. There is no where to go for scum tbh, no reason to draw out the concede and back off instantly.

It's a gutsy play if scum like balls of gold level.
Damdred
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June 28 2016 05:51 GMT
#1356
On June 28 2016 14:50 Superbia wrote:
I wouldn't need to claim tracker to live to lylo x;


Yeah you would you were in the Poe of half the game.
Damdred
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June 28 2016 05:52 GMT
#1358
I mean really though it's a compliment I think so highly of your scum game. I could see you doing that play.
Damdred
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June 28 2016 05:56 GMT
#1360
That doesn't change the fact that you were in the Poe of a lot of players.

Some form of damdred tt and super was the consensus. Which is probably balls.

I kinda think it's sk. I generally don't believe in scum slips but idk
Damdred
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June 28 2016 06:02 GMT
#1363
Could be, he did react strange to. But he was so weak about moose in his reads when moose was about to get lynched, good time to bus. though a couple reads were a bit strange. I'll have to look again

A few people did as well.

Look at sk for me and give am opinion and I'll see what I think in the morning with some distance and new eyes in the am before a decision.

Damdred
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June 28 2016 06:03 GMT
#1364
On June 28 2016 15:01 Superbia wrote:
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On June 28 2016 03:49 Skynx wrote:
Fully caught up now. Here's a list.

Full town: GB, JVJ, TT, Super
Sort of town: Jealous, Tumble, QT

Null: Chez
Sort of scum: (tempted to put Chez here)
Super scum: emp, Art, Damdred


GB, JVJ and Super are obvious towns for me I don't see a reason to scumread them at all. TT is there because he's thinking exactly the same way with me about Art/Damdred/emp and town should stay united.
Jealous is less town cuz he's a bit more difficult to read this game, I've skipped couple of his posts, have to re-read later on but nothing sticking out in particular.
Tumble was as afk as me in last 24h so I'd give him some objective discredit for that. Otherwise I like his posts.
QT needs to start playing good but I think there is no way he's in a mafia set up with Moosy as his teammate.
Chez is super afk, odds are not good on him. Still yet to post anything of a candy's value this game.

I'm super certain there is at least one mafia between last three. More leaning on Damdred compared to other two only by a thread. I think he should be our lynch tomorrow.


-> Wants to lynch me now.


I kinda think just from gut, his tone during the night was atrociously angry when confronted. And he sort of gave tmi as well about me you and tt.

Sort of leaning scum way on him.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 28 2016 06:11 GMT
#1366
9 v 1
Ml
8 v 1
Nk
7 v 1
Ml
6 v 1
Nk
5 v 1
Ml
4 v 1
Nk
3 v 1 (Mylo can't sleep)

Just three lynches till Mylo and then a fourth in mylo.

The best thing is as long as they don't get the bodyguard tonight we probably have at least one confirmed town in mylo if not two.

Jean will have to have a look there but really it's not that bad a situation IMO.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 28 2016 06:15 GMT
#1368
Like

I'm really sure art is town and super is town

GB is confirmed

So that leaves, jealous, tt, sky,jean, sk, tumble

Pretty sure tw is town in that group, Jean probably is to just alight paranoia

Tt with his reaction felt genuine but has scummy things about him. I have reasons to tr jealous but a couple problems.

Then sk couple of cases, angry tone long absenses at points. Weird read progressions and called us mislynches.

I just think it's sk, but those are the three I'd look into. Though I know ill get most of the heat today meh
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 28 2016 06:16 GMT
#1369
On June 28 2016 15:12 Superbia wrote:
GB can force a sleep. :p


That's yummybi didn't think about that.

If the bodyguard can last until d3 if we haven't won in a great position for lylo.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 28 2016 06:42 GMT
#1374
Bed time.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 28 2016 14:24 GMT
#1424
Come now art it was almost a 600 page game with like twelve replacements!

It was hard for us all to stay motivated.

Though my motivation is kind of at a low point right now, whoops.

But on a different note jealous kind of looks bad tbh keeps hedging a bit but just keeps his read static. Kind of weird.

As for that game you are remembering the wrong game tt, the game you claimed wanderer with a red check you were gunsmith and got instantly lynched that day because onegu claimed a red check on you as scum.

Anyway any questions I'm around for a bit.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 28 2016 14:36 GMT
#1425
On June 27 2016 04:59 Jealous wrote:
Tumblewood: + Show Spoiler +
Pretty weak play so far. Has only posted one or two substantiated reads. This quote from him sums it up: "like, there's playing the game, and then there's trying to solve the game. most of us are just playing the game right now..." Don't like him so far, but not enough to say he's scum.


GlowingBear: + Show Spoiler +
Some decent posts questioning people. A lot of fluff otherwise. Asking to be mayor over and over without giving any reasoning as to why he should be one. Somehow has garnered a lot of support despite not being wholly convincing to me. Only one real good post explaining his reads. If he wasn't pushing so hard to be mayor without any real foundation, I would townlean on him.


Jealous: + Show Spoiler +
I'm VT.


emperorchampion: + Show Spoiler +
Very weak start to the game but made a goost post @Jean, which I liked. Overall I'm not very impressed with his play so far, but he hasn't said anything that seemed outright scummy, so I have him as null for now.


Damdred: + Show Spoiler +
Weak reads, hasn't contributed much of anything at all.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/510385-presidential-election-mini-mafia?page=23#459

This post is suspect because he gets on the defensive while saying that there is "no real reason" for him being scumpushed, but has done nothing in the game up to that point, which to me is reason enough.

Later on he gets pressured more, and again says there is no reason to scumread him even though yet again he hasn't contribute much of anything. Gives detailed reads under pressure and they do not impress. Does reads based on "tone" and stuff like that. Tries to jump on me for a policy lynch, then posts this:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/510385-presidential-election-mini-mafia?page=41#807

Trying to be objective about it, I think is a horrible post. I answered a question directly to the best of my ability and he disqualifies it because I have no experience playing with Artanis? Also uses this as an opportunity to further support his QT town read that he has been pushing from the start.

A few posts later, he is convinced that I am scum and not just inactive as I said I would be, all based off of one post. Although, apparently moves me to "lower null" just a few minutes ago.

Makes a late push for pardoner? On what basis? -_-

Definite scum lean.


MoosyDoosy: + Show Spoiler +
Super trolly as always, which I hate that he can get away with every game (according to what some veterans have said so far). Impossible to read and thus not a benefit to town so far.


Chezinu: + Show Spoiler +
Has contributed the least of all besides MoosyDoosy. Hard to read off of that, but necessitates a mild scum lean from me.


Artanis[Xp]: + Show Spoiler +
A few jokey posts at the start of the game, with some weak/fake reads. I don't personally like that style of play but I wouldn't send him to the gallows for it (if I were to do so, Moosy would go first). I can actually understand his push on QT, as QT himself said he plays "oddly" and that seems to get him into trouble D1. I wish QT would play less "odd." It wouldn't cause situations like this one. QT's case was pretty weak in my opinion but because he isn't the type to let it go, Artanis was forced into a defensive position (seems like he doesn't like giving up either, even though he eventually did). Overall I'd have to say Artanis reacted pretty normally to the situation.

After that, I feel that he has been active and trying to push the game forward, albeit using too much meta, history, and "tone" for my liking. His play vs. Jean and @TT, I can't entirely agree with, but he's trying. He's town to me.


More to come.



Kinda interesting that pretty neutral on both scum here though. Like not much opinion at this point
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 28 2016 14:50 GMT
#1427
Yeah just read some filters and I wish I would of hard pushed him after his reads lists. Which is to bad, see strange progressions.

But sk is strange to, though the attitude of righteousness (this isn't meant as an insult) I'd have a hard time seeing coming from a newb. He's pretty aggro really all I'm all not sure if I believe he could be scum here. But he does have a couple weird progressions like the one super pointed out, inability see me coming from town.

I thinknive been pretty Towny this game, activity has been good. Idk I think I could of solo carried scum team but would of had to hard bus moose and ec, especially ec. I've been wrong at points but that's what mafia is about, I made a couple good choices and two-three bad ones.

Alas.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 28 2016 15:01 GMT
#1432
Yeah that's what I thought d1 after we talked about it.

It's probably just jealous

Idk the policy I keep with moosey might of gotten me in trouble but I use it every game. Meh
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 28 2016 16:02 GMT
#1434
I guess we will come down to a jealous vs damdred Lynch today.

Meh brb
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 28 2016 16:51 GMT
#1443
I really don't know what to do with you GB, I had obviously clear stances d1.

Ec actually gave a thought I really liked didn't want to Lynch him, it's clearly documented, so I break policy and kill moose. Wifom as it is in that situation I know I'm probably going to solo it so why not kill the person who gives the most cred.

In any case the reasoning against me is pretty light.

I can excuse sk he's new never played with me, but some of you others tsk. Espevially after last game Tumblewood. Tsk indeed.

Feel my ire of soft words and loving caresses.

In any case I think the games over with a jealous Lynch.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 28 2016 16:53 GMT
#1444
It is annoying though that all of my actions aside from voting Jean are ignores and it all comes down to me saving ec which makes no sense.

No real mafia motivation to try to decide that tt and super are both town. Or super is making a play, just let that shit ride out and Lynch tt then super and I only need two mislynches to win after that.

The way I went about it was so suboptimal I'd never do that as scum. Which mind you that's not a good reason not to Lynch me as I'm self aware anyway.

Wrong doesn't meN scum though.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 28 2016 17:16 GMT
#1451
On June 29 2016 01:59 Tictock wrote:
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On June 28 2016 23:24 Damdred wrote:
Come now art it was almost a 600 page game with like twelve replacements!

It was hard for us all to stay motivated.

Though my motivation is kind of at a low point right now, whoops.

But on a different note jealous kind of looks bad tbh keeps hedging a bit but just keeps his read static. Kind of weird.

As for that game you are remembering the wrong game tt, the game you claimed wanderer with a red check you were gunsmith and got instantly lynched that day because onegu claimed a red check on you as scum.

Anyway any questions I'm around for a bit.


Nope you're thinking of Outlaw (I think?) I'm pretty sure the game I'm referring to was Nutcracker. Also I think I got lynched less because of the redcheck and more because of my bad reaction to it... you fake CC'ing my gunsmith claim may have also contributed.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Anyways, regarding this game...

I'd still like to understand your thought process better around EoD. You said you wouldn't support GB or Super as mayor, explained it was because you didn't trust GB's ability to lynch scum and that his claim didn't matter to you. So why did you end up voting him before you switched to Jean right before deadline?

I'm also still a bit curious what made you think I was maybe town for the span of a post then went back to scum reading me, but I'm more interested in the GB stuff.


Maybe, so I give it to you at least you didn't claim wanderer this time so progress.

Eh GB promised to listen to people and pleaded with people. At the time I was OK with an ec Lynch because he hadn't given what I still consider to be a decent thought.

Which was with GB really claiming a role that can't be cc is dangerous to put in an uncheckable position.

So in short GB promised to listen to people even though he left near EOD so couldn't keep that promise meh.

I said why I switched to jean shortly after EOD. Mostly didn't want to Lynch ec at that time and thought Jean would do the right thing.

It was your aggro moment towards me that made me want to tr you, it sort of felt like t v t at that point. But it just wasn't enough for me. During the night when we were having our exchanges I thought you looked more town as well to how you were responding and taking into account what I was saying.

Which was why I was going through thr possibilities of a super fake claim in thread.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 28 2016 17:19 GMT
#1453
On June 29 2016 02:14 Tictock wrote:
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On June 29 2016 01:53 Damdred wrote:
It is annoying though that all of my actions aside from voting Jean are ignores and it all comes down to me saving ec which makes no sense.


This is over simplifying things a bit imo.

For me it's that your EoD didn't track in a lot of ways and your involvement in picking a mayor was basically nothing but a couple posts saying it should be you for one of the positions.

There is the switch in your stance on Moosy from, "lets ignore him D1" to "I think he flips town, plz lynch TT"

It also felt a lot like Emp was trying to defend you from my pressure during the night. Your townread on him formed basically right after GB started pressuring him, and that quote I posted earlier was weird phrasing that mighta been a scum slip + Show Spoiler +
It's at least as likely to be a scum slip as the thing you were on about from Skynx
.

None of these by themselves are terribly conclusive, but that's associative stuff with both flipped scum and just a general sense that your game is off and reads aren't tracking very well. It's a pretty solid pile of stuff that is hard to overlook.


There is no associative with moosey though. I just did my normal policy with him and his suicidal nature made me think someone who admitted cares about winning as scum wouldn't let himself die like that. Jean thought he would flip town as well to a small degree. He was a coinflippy

I've had decent reads besides the EOD with ec. Which is kinda meh but everyone is wrong at points.

I've just talked about other things in previous post.

And if ec was trying to defend me from pressure coming up null in that situation is totally horrid.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 28 2016 17:28 GMT
#1454
Also the tmi was when he kept saying maybe you will be wanderer flip green etc.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 28 2016 18:14 GMT
#1459
While that's true tt I didn't even remember before I voted GB that I had done that

I had to dig it up myself because I was curious so sort of bad but meh I forget things all the time.

Why wouldn't it be a good thing mass claim with a tracker that claimed to track you to the kp.

It's totally logical, if super is lying and knows you are wanderer in that situation it's ear with claims we 100% have a super scum. If you flip wanderer hebcould just sail by which btw is a play super would make.

Which when I got clarification action from host found out impossible which is why I quit on the train of thought.

Don't understand why you have highlighted about me being vindicated. You always Lynch the red check unless you have a cc obviously.

Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 28 2016 18:37 GMT
#1467
Tt just some friendly advice you really need to take a step back sometimes.

Also if I wasn't considering it why did I write long posts talking to you specifically talk to you during the night backed off of the aggro and try to figure things out while we were both here?

Kind of weak just saying I only did it when jealous said it, I went way above and beyond the call for hashing out possibilities
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 28 2016 19:00 GMT
#1469
To bad your on the wrong person meh
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 28 2016 19:41 GMT
#1473
I don't think I'll escape the Lynch today and for the re order n this situation I would just concede, it's way to bm to waste everyone's time when I just can't win anyway.

Anyway jealous case is actually bad.

1) Early weak reads as he calls it is a staple of my game, I'm a huge tone and gut reader early usually these takes some form of semblance as the game progresses.

You can see an example of this in almost any of the 50 games I've played in the database. Like this is just super easy to defend against. It's just something I do and something I'm really successful with.

And generally besides with ec I've been right this game

2) I think 3/4 of the game made a baseless push for mayor this is really a non point. Really there as 6-7 people who wanted it. Doesn't make anyone scum.

3) Art and I butt heads wanted to head that off he works better without pressure as town. I generally catch him n1 as scum anyway. As for chez he was just really Towny for him, and idk why an alliance with chez would be good anyway? I just enjoy he guy. Really doesn't make anyone scum and is a narrative you are trying to force.

4) As for hypocrisy you would have to point them out tbh, me and tt went back and forth about hypocrisy which ended in my mind pretty amicably during the night and a funny gif during d1. Though flip flopping doesn't make anyone scum, generally only town flip flop super fast and care free. It's part of the problem with no information vs all info.

5)Don't think I defended moose as I said before just gave him a d1 pass as is the general policy I use and a few others use on him as well. As for ec well I ended up making a bad read because I read to much into paranoia. It happens it sucks we all are wrong sooner or later.

Honestly the case is just a myriad of my posts that are plastered together to fill a narrative that I m scum, many are missing direct context of the thread and lacks clear responses by players that could influence the discussion.

A lot of it also is painting me in a scummy light just to do so a lot of it also doesn't make anyone scum.

Overall the case is poor and I see it coming from scum more than town.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 28 2016 19:42 GMT
#1474
On June 29 2016 04:33 Tictock wrote:
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On June 28 2016 11:56 Damdred wrote:
Actually it's a little scary tbh,

Super can claim RB for rest of game and that's why they don't kill him.

It's a play I would make with that information and they could have the info 100% makes sense with how tt been playing. He's been playing like he's a power role with how he doesn't care he's a good person to check...

Idk easiest and hopeful solution is tt is scum, but idk some of his interchanges with me make me think he might not be. I'm just paranoid I know but..


I was going to leave this alone and do other stuff for a bit but accidentally put this quote in another window and just ran across it.

This is a very interesting opinion of my play given you've been calling me scum all game.


I forget which game it was, had you and three mafia in my Poe. You were a power role.

You act scummier when you are a pr I believe which is unfortunate I o as well sometimes. Either way I always think that I watch pr more than scum meh
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 28 2016 19:45 GMT
#1477
Jealous probably scum if not it's sk.

Tt is just tunneled town ir think.

I'd go jealous-sk then re evaluate if game is not over.

It's not super, art, GB.

I guess tumble is possible but doubtful I think...

Not even sure if it's sk honestly, kind of clouded on that front. Im going to go back on that one


Just Lynch jealous then weigh tumble sk. Lynch chez by the third if he hasn't contributes. Then you are in mylo, hopefully GB is alive to pardon to force a 2 v 1 that's the only time to ever really go for Jean.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 28 2016 19:46 GMT
#1478
On June 29 2016 04:44 Superbia wrote:
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On June 29 2016 04:41 Damdred wrote:
I don't think I'll escape the Lynch today and for the re order n this situation I would just concede, it's way to bm to waste everyone's time when I just can't win anyway.

Anyway jealous case is actually bad.

1) Early weak reads as he calls it is a staple of my game, I'm a huge tone and gut reader early usually these takes some form of semblance as the game progresses.

You can see an example of this in almost any of the 50 games I've played in the database. Like this is just super easy to defend against. It's just something I do and something I'm really successful with.

And generally besides with ec I've been right this game

2) I think 3/4 of the game made a baseless push for mayor this is really a non point. Really there as 6-7 people who wanted it. Doesn't make anyone scum.

3) Art and I butt heads wanted to head that off he works better without pressure as town. I generally catch him n1 as scum anyway. As for chez he was just really Towny for him, and idk why an alliance with chez would be good anyway? I just enjoy he guy. Really doesn't make anyone scum and is a narrative you are trying to force.

4) As for hypocrisy you would have to point them out tbh, me and tt went back and forth about hypocrisy which ended in my mind pretty amicably during the night and a funny gif during d1. Though flip flopping doesn't make anyone scum, generally only town flip flop super fast and care free. It's part of the problem with no information vs all info.

5)Don't think I defended moose as I said before just gave him a d1 pass as is the general policy I use and a few others use on him as well. As for ec well I ended up making a bad read because I read to much into paranoia. It happens it sucks we all are wrong sooner or later.

Honestly the case is just a myriad of my posts that are plastered together to fill a narrative that I m scum, many are missing direct context of the thread and lacks clear responses by players that could influence the discussion.

A lot of it also is painting me in a scummy light just to do so a lot of it also doesn't make anyone scum.

Overall the case is poor and I see it coming from scum more than town.


Wait you're conceding? Or am I reading your post wrong?


If I was scum I'd concede even if I escaped today's Lynch no way over tommorow.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 28 2016 19:47 GMT
#1479
On June 29 2016 04:43 GlowingBear wrote:
Damdy, if you get lynched, who should be the next one to be lynched?


Jealous

I had a list in another post but I'd reevaluate people's motives after that.

Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 28 2016 21:19 GMT
#1512
Meta is a thing jealous you just kind of live with through the opening portions of the game and later in the game is ignored usually.

There are super strong meta reads in this game, mostly between myself and art. Partially towards gb before the claim.

Besides that meta has been used pretty sparingly besides super as well.

As for what's your play mafia wouldn't try that hard would come to the for front. Do I think your lock scum. Nit really I have some paranoia about someone else as well but meh.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 28 2016 21:20 GMT
#1514
Gb most people who played assassination mafia with you would be weary of that. I'm just honest here.

I trust you with a gun always though, you are a good night vig.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 28 2016 21:21 GMT
#1516
On June 29 2016 06:20 Jean Valjean wrote:
Hey guys, I'm partially unavailable today, and probably tomorrow too. I am sorry for that, I should have more time to contribute on thursday.

I will try to make sense of what is going on in a little while, also I'm not particularly bothered about what we kill today.


But posts like this are really what bothers me. Like really badly, so many things bother me.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 28 2016 21:42 GMT
#1528
I've put several decent arguments into the thread why I am not scum. Sure they do have wifom about them which makes them a somewhat weaker because I'm self aware of my meta.

Like don't get me wrong I like both you and sk regardless if I get lynched both of you have the makings of good players that just need to improve some peripheral things. That's besides the point though.

Honestly btw we can't wait till lylo or mylo to look into Jean or else he automatically wins if he is scum in lylo which is what I'm paranoid about. His post just sent shivers up my spine. Which stinks I can't be on the combo but maybe the way moosey gave himself up to Jean is indicative.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 28 2016 21:45 GMT
#1529
Also I don't think I'm battering up art or chez tbh, we are just generally jokey towards one another and art and I have a special place in each other's hearts. Where we occasionally Murder each other
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 28 2016 21:54 GMT
#1532
On June 29 2016 06:46 Jealous wrote:
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On June 29 2016 06:42 Damdred wrote:
I've put several decent arguments into the thread why I am not scum. Sure they do have wifom about them which makes them a somewhat weaker because I'm self aware of my meta.

Like don't get me wrong I like both you and sk regardless if I get lynched both of you have the makings of good players that just need to improve some peripheral things. That's besides the point though.

Honestly btw we can't wait till lylo or mylo to look into Jean or else he automatically wins if he is scum in lylo which is what I'm paranoid about. His post just sent shivers up my spine. Which stinks I can't be on the combo but maybe the way moosey gave himself up to Jean is indicative.

I meant the case on who else you have scum leans on!


Sadly I haven't built a case and I'll try to get it done by tommorow but I kind of think it's between Jean and you.

Maybe tumble in a distant third but I doubt that one.

And the way you are interacting with me does get you something.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 28 2016 22:03 GMT
#1533
Like I kinda know idol catch crap for saying Jean but what's it matter when I'm going to die any way.

The way he was kinda bullied into people's town reads how moosey basically killed himself and how Jean has kinda fallen off so hard, plus his read switch on gb+super feels off. And the amount of cred he's riding for a suiciding moose.

Just makes me weirded out and think maybe scum
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 28 2016 22:29 GMT
#1541
On June 29 2016 07:17 Tictock wrote:
Ok, so assuming for a moment that you are town Damdred.

I am pretty sure Jealous is not the last scum, you even gave a decent reason to TR him yourself (something about how he was posting reads as EoD was resolving & Moosy was getting lynched).

Jean is an interesting suggestion as with the exception of Chez I think he's contributed the least today and even though I was tunneled on you I noticed his read on me flipped pretty dramatically when Super claimed after multiple times arguing about having a townlean on me.
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On June 28 2016 07:05 Jean Valjean wrote:
On June 28 2016 06:54 Jealous wrote:
On June 28 2016 06:25 GlowingBear wrote:
Confirmed town, impossible to be killed at night.

This is perfect

So let me get this clear on paper: you claim Vigi?

yes he's claiming vigilante, and superbia is claiming tracker.

Both are believable claims, mostly because ticktock is the scummiest player in the thread and it makes no sense for mafia to fakeclaim right now.


I think we just won.

.
and this is def pushing for mafia's best case from that
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On June 28 2016 08:43 Jean Valjean wrote:
On June 28 2016 08:41 Tictock wrote:
On June 28 2016 06:06 Superbia wrote:
TT why'd you visit QT bro?


Either you just fucked up SUPER bad (see what i did there?) as scum...

Or this is the worst fakeclaim on this site since December.

So you're contesting the claim? Fine.

I assume you're also ok with lynching you then Superbia, because either way it's an auto win.


The only thing that bugs me in this tinfoil Epic Bus scenario is that Emp threw his vote away along with mine on Tumble. If scum is gunna bus why not get the whole team on board?

On the other hand he is in the perfect spot for scum to be sitting, I think Mayor is untraceable/uncheckable and will never be under sus for still being alive as long as BG hasn't flipped, gets an extra vote to influence mislynches, and Jean looks hella towny for having flipped the goon that obv wanted to die...

...

I think I may have just talked myself into Yolo/fear lynching Jean.


His no caring really has me going atm and jealous while I see some scum motivation, I see more as Jean.

And one scum throwing away one vote isn't anything unheard of tbh
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 28 2016 23:40 GMT
#1554
On June 29 2016 08:22 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2016 07:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 29 2016 07:55 Tictock wrote:
Fuck it, lets do it.

In the hopes of making this the best game ever.

##Vote: Jean Valijean

Alternatively, this could be the worst most-memorable game ever where we lose from 9v1, starting with lynching one of our strongest players that was unshootable and lynched mafia D1.


People People plz, we can always get back to bickering and killing each other tomorrow.

Today we must focus on the matter at hand, which is ruthlessly overthrowing our elected official who has done nothing but good for us because, lets face it, he was a bit of a dick.

+ Show Spoiler +
I was gunna point out that GB will still be our pocket confirmed town until the BG is killed, and that our lynch pool would be smaller tomorrow with a NK, but mafia can hold their shot this game so we can't necessarily get maximum info.

And this isn't THAT crazy, I mean I'm only flipping my read on Damdred kus of 5 words Moosy said to Damdred. We are kinda just assuming Tumble and Skynx are lock town, and this day started out with Super fake claiming Traking me to QT.

I'm pretty sure this is the only logical nonsensically awesome choice.


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don't tell mafia but if they hold shot we gain a ml even if we ml today
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 29 2016 16:28 GMT
#1595
It just really seems not to care even though your busy, you aren't caught up in the day and are trying to solve the game with super imperfect information

It's easy to see how you are mafia, and if we get near lylo/mylo you can't be allowed to get that far just in case honestly.

And lynching a suiciding moosey isn't that great but that goes for all of is who were on you so you could kill moose.

@Super you will really regret lynching me btw idk why I have to be lynched when I have put in a lot of work today and general activity is stupid high for probably dying today
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 29 2016 17:31 GMT
#1602
He was the most town read person GB he always should of been the kill

That's not an argument
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 29 2016 17:32 GMT
#1603
On June 30 2016 02:30 Jealous wrote:
To remove uncertainty from potentially painful end-game scenarios that have muddled my analytical breakdown of when we CAN or SHOULD lynch Jean, I have a couple of questions:

GlowingBear, will you ever use your pardon? If so, in what scenarios and why?

If you were in an endgame scenario where you had to choose between Jean and your bodyguard to lynch, who would you lynch?

Jean: Under what circumstances would you push a GlowingBear lynch?


What in the world was that about pushing gb
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 29 2016 17:40 GMT
#1607
GB is confirmed town jealous...

Though jealous is almost dumb telling himself idk
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 29 2016 17:42 GMT
#1609
On June 30 2016 02:40 Tictock wrote:
Anyways, for me Jeans play today is interesting enough to keep him in consideration.

He responds to Supers claim saying it adds up because
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On June 28 2016 07:05 Jean Valjean wrote:
On June 28 2016 06:54 Jealous wrote:
On June 28 2016 06:25 GlowingBear wrote:
Confirmed town, impossible to be killed at night.

This is perfect

So let me get this clear on paper: you claim Vigi?

yes he's claiming vigilante, and superbia is claiming tracker.

Both are believable claims, mostly because ticktock is the scummiest player in the thread and it makes no sense for mafia to fakeclaim right now.

I think we just won.


Which still seems like a very sudden flip on his read on me given these were his last posts addressing me in the night.
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On June 28 2016 00:52 Jean Valjean wrote:
On June 28 2016 00:49 Tictock wrote:
On June 28 2016 00:25 Jean Valjean wrote:
On June 27 2016 23:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 27 2016 23:40 GlowingBear wrote:
I may have made a huge mistake

Yeah, you should've pardoned MD!

He is probably talking about the bodyguard.

This is the one thing that's going to be extremely helpful in deducing GlowingBear's alignment. His choice of bodyguard is very, very important. Do not let him get away with anything less than a full explanation for his choice and make sure it fits his thinking and approach.

In addition, this is just speculation, but at some point in the game it may be a good idea to claim the bodyguard role. The reason is quite simple. We probably have some blues the mafia is going to be looking into shooting. A claimed bodyguard is a massive annoyance to mafia because if they want to eliminate me they have to first kill the bodyguard (if I understand the rules correctly).

That means two extra nights for our blue roles to do their job.

Also, this is more long term, but there is no world where we have named townie + 3 blue roles. That would be excessive, so if a situation comes up where the claims look like that, be very vary of the claims and start making hard decisions on blue roles.


I think it's a little early to be discussing this.


How about you deliver me some mafia instead of telling people what they should or should not discuss. Go forth my minion and find mafia, then deliver me their heads. I shall make quick judgement of your successes or failures.

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On June 28 2016 01:33 Jean Valjean wrote:
On June 28 2016 01:27 Tictock wrote:
On June 28 2016 01:08 emperorchampion wrote:
On June 28 2016 00:48 Tictock wrote:
On June 27 2016 23:13 emperorchampion wrote:
On June 27 2016 21:12 Tictock wrote:
Yea thats the one.

The whole switch of choice over who to lynch is what makes this an imposing EoD to reread. Not only do I need to look at why people voted who they did for mayor, but when that happened in correlation with who the mayor claimed would be the lynch.

That's why I've had issues with Damdred's filter kus his vote and reads were all over the place EoD. Said he didn't trust GB to be mayor kus he's "wishy-washy" or something, voted GB. Pressed Jean to Lynch me and semi-defended Moosy, voted Jean right before EoD who claimed he was going to lynch Moosy.

Like the switch at the end seems towny because Moosy was scum, but nothing about how he got there makes any sense to me.


Damdred has stated at least once his reasons for switching, this post feels very fluffy


It sounds like you disagree with my read then and presumably you think Damdred is town.

So what am I not seeing? Why is Damdred town?

While we are at it, who are you scumreading Emp?


I think Damdred stated fairly clearly why he switched his vote. I will discuss reads more during the day phase, but my post does not make any assumptions of damdred's alignment.

I am uneasy with how you are coming to your own conclusion in your post about damdred's actions, rather than evaluating what he has already posted. It makes more sense to me to maybe say, "oh I don't believe that you switched your votes for this reason, here is why I think you actually switched votes..." then continue on to your post or something. But I don't see any of that.


Ok I'm just going to assume you are mafia with Damdred then.


Is this something you genuinely believe?


But then hey I'm prob the only person who cares about how his read on me develops.

It's more just the trend in his play today which is very survivalist motivated.
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On June 28 2016 08:43 Jean Valjean wrote:
On June 28 2016 08:41 Tictock wrote:
On June 28 2016 06:06 Superbia wrote:
TT why'd you visit QT bro?


Either you just fucked up SUPER bad (see what i did there?) as scum...

Or this is the worst fakeclaim on this site since December.

So you're contesting the claim? Fine.

I assume you're also ok with lynching you then Superbia, because either way it's an auto win.


"Lets just kill you both" with no thoughts attached, and remind you he had just made the point about it being stupid for scum to fake claim.
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On June 29 2016 06:20 Jean Valjean wrote:
Hey guys, I'm partially unavailable today, and probably tomorrow too. I am sorry for that, I should have more time to contribute on thursday.

I will try to make sense of what is going on in a little while, also I'm not particularly bothered about what we kill today.


Speaks for itself...

Then when this pressure started he comes back and starts defending himself, while also making an out of nowhere push on Chez, and fighting/considering Art.

The choice of Chez is really interesting to me because it kinda looks like a strategic choice not a reasoned one. Like Jean says this is his current scum pool.
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On June 29 2016 21:13 Jean Valjean wrote:
I think mafia is most likely somewhere in:

Damdred/Artanis/Chez/Tictock


And decides Chez is the most scummy for being underwhelming.

Chez also happens to be the least active/vocal of this group, is not a current wagon (so a vote for chez is not simply a vote for survival), and is kinda a wildcard player in general.

I think it's an even more interesting pick when you consider the amount of evidence that we've discussed tying Damdred to both flipped scum, that I was "the most scummy player in the thread" at one point in Jean's eyes, and that he and art have been constantly fighting and accusing each other all game. Yet we all get kinda flimsy hand wavey reasons why we aren't worth considering today, well me and Damdred at least... the Art stuff is more developed.


Posts like this are glad I reconsidered you.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 29 2016 17:44 GMT
#1612
I don't think that's something scum forgets who shot their partner.

Ehhh its kinda weak, but I don't think I want to lynch jealous especially with his attitude/interactions today.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 29 2016 18:26 GMT
#1615
Really think jealous is almost lock town.

If I get lynched today just never touch him
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 29 2016 18:28 GMT
#1616
On June 30 2016 03:25 Tictock wrote:
I took another look at Moosy' filter to see if any of his posts involving Jean were revealing, but they weren't.

So went to Emp's filter instead.

This post gave me pause when I first saw it...

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On June 26 2016 11:12 emperorchampion wrote:
For Jean Valjean:

I think that he was overly defensive of the slight scum lean that Artanis gave him.

On June 26 2016 08:07 Jean Valjean wrote:
On June 26 2016 07:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Absolutely 100% confirmed town
Chezinu


Town
Damdred
Skynx
Tumblewood
Quicktwist


Townish
Subpa
rbia
-power gap-
Emperorarechampion

Null
GlowingBear
Jealous
MoosyDoosy

Mildly leaning mafia
Jean Valjean

Lean mafia
Ticktock


Please explain why I am mafia Artanis. You seem to think that my posts somehow lead you to conclude I am mafia. If you're not full of shit you must have a reason for that.

I'll await your swift response.


I think I can understand his post from the mentality of "I contributed as much as I could with the limited time I have". But these responses seem very heavy handed:

On June 26 2016 08:27 Jean Valjean wrote:
On June 26 2016 08:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 26 2016 08:07 Jean Valjean wrote:
On June 26 2016 07:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Absolutely 100% confirmed town
Chezinu


Town
Damdred
Skynx
Tumblewood
Quicktwist


Townish
Subpa
rbia
-power gap-
Emperorarechampion

Null
GlowingBear
Jealous
MoosyDoosy

Mildly leaning mafia
Jean Valjean

Lean mafia
Ticktock


Please explain why I am mafia Artanis. You seem to think that my posts somehow lead you to conclude I am mafia. If you're not full of shit you must have a reason for that.

I'll await your swift response.

On June 26 2016 07:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 26 2016 06:38 Jean Valjean wrote:
Nothing little Jean Valjean has said has been helpful in any way. I think he is more likely than most to be mafia.




That's just an objective statement. I have said very little and acknowledged that my contributions would be lacking today. If you want to call me mafia you have to explain why what little I have said is no useful.

I am almost certain you are mafia by now.


On June 26 2016 08:31 Jean Valjean wrote:
On June 26 2016 08:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 26 2016 08:27 Jean Valjean wrote:
On June 26 2016 08:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 26 2016 08:07 Jean Valjean wrote:
On June 26 2016 07:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Absolutely 100% confirmed town
Chezinu


Town
Damdred
Skynx
Tumblewood
Quicktwist


Townish
Subpa
rbia
-power gap-
Emperorarechampion

Null
GlowingBear
Jealous
MoosyDoosy

Mildly leaning mafia
Jean Valjean

Lean mafia
Ticktock


Please explain why I am mafia Artanis. You seem to think that my posts somehow lead you to conclude I am mafia. If you're not full of shit you must have a reason for that.

I'll await your swift response.

On June 26 2016 07:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 26 2016 06:38 Jean Valjean wrote:
Nothing little Jean Valjean has said has been helpful in any way. I think he is more likely than most to be mafia.




That's just an objective statement. I have said very little and acknowledged that my contributions would be lacking today. If you want to call me mafia you have to explain why what little I have said is no useful.

I am almost certain you are mafia by now.

So I'm mafia for applying a reason you called Damdred mafia for onto you? Must mean you're like 110% mafia then, especially since you didn't explain it for Damdred yourself.


First of all, I wasn't talking about Damdred, I was talking about Superbia, a player that generally can be fairly helpful. In addition, he has posted three pages of content, something that I clearly haven't done, so the direction of his posts has become clear, while I would argue the direction of my posts is not yet clear.

It is unreasonable to call someone mafia for not posting helpful things when he has posted 3 posts in general. If you want to call me mafia for being inactive that's fine, if you think I'm actively lurking and avoiding posting, that's fine too. I just think the rationale you just gave is both unreasonable and opportunistic.

I don't believe you think your own reasoning is valid, and that means you must be mafia.


Another thing that gives me pause was his calling out of super:

On June 26 2016 06:38 Jean Valjean wrote:
Very little Superbia has said has been helpful in any way. I think he is more likely than most to be mafia.


While he also seems to be fairly aware of supers' meta here:


I was talking about Superbia, a player that generally can be fairly helpful


Two things: 1) I think that Super has had some direction, and I think I have a fairly good read on the way Super plays. 2) Something that I find odd about all of this is that there had been no mention of Moosy at all in this "you haven't contributed anything useful" line of thinking.

From his posts so far this is what I have seen:
1) He is admittedly not very involved
2) He has read through Super's and my filter, which he believes are empty but he gives no mention of Moosy's lack of contributions
3) Very defensive posting


Overall I'm not thrilled with his responses, and I will be very interested to see the level of his interactions as the game progresses.


Then I found the small follow up he made later one (he messed up the code in that post but this was directly responding to his own points from the above.
Show nested quote +

I believe that the three points above can easily be explained by someone who is afk, ie you don't have time to look through the entire game, you just read filter, you've given a reason that you are away and someone leans scum on you for not believing that reason. This in a way makes sense to me.

Jean's activity since then I'm not so sure. It seems like he is willing to invest time in the game now, and he has been making posts that are at odds with his opening goals. I would be interested to hear others opinions on this matter though, since he seems to be heavily town read.


This is actually kinda confusing, but given that Emp's main point was that Jean wasn't considering Moosy as scum I'm half tempted to just conclude that the scum team decided to bus each other all game.

At first I thought this might actually prove Jean is town, especially since this was basically Emp's only push this game. However the followup he made to his own case feels weird. It's like he's still scum reading Jean but doesn't want to push him really.

I'm a bit torn of how to interpret this. Anyone else have some thoughts?


It's a form of distancing IMO just in case Jean or ec flips both get slight cred I think.

Kind of confusing though tbh
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 29 2016 18:42 GMT
#1622
Explain me with reasoning super.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 29 2016 18:47 GMT
#1624
Also besides that fact Jean can't really be allowed to reach lylo or if he's scum he auto wins if hes here at start of day meh.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 29 2016 20:11 GMT
#1735
Fuck...

Jean why do you do this to me, i just wanted to afk the EOD while I cooked. But I read the game and how hes approaching EOD while he leads the votes is so Towny.

The way it would go and nobody wouldblame him would be to hammer me with his 2x vote and be safe.

I think it's partially suicidal but would be great scum play to play the lo g game. And I don't think that's what he's doing.

So maybe it's just chez? Maybe super
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 29 2016 20:15 GMT
#1744
Probably goes sometging like

Chez, then super then tt.

But I don't believe it exactly and need more time.

It's. Really hard game
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 29 2016 20:22 GMT
#1759
Do what you have to do I'll o what I need to.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 29 2016 20:24 GMT
#1763
On June 30 2016 05:22 Superbia wrote:
Like if the game doesn't end then damdred needs to die.


0 decent reasons from the peanut gallery still
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 29 2016 20:26 GMT
#1769
If people actually read my posts without skipping them they would know where I stand so far.

That is to jean and super.

As for you super wrong doesn't mean mafia in the ec case, and if you would check any game I was in you would see I use the exact same rules as always with moosey.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 29 2016 20:29 GMT
#1777
But now that jean is talking about lynching me bleh whatever.

If you shenanigan to me no time really to give out final reads.

If you Lynch me tommorow do chez
Then you have to kill jean
After that it's one of super or tt GB just do what you think is best.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 29 2016 20:29 GMT
#1780
On June 30 2016 05:28 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2016 05:26 Damdred wrote:
If people actually read my posts without skipping them they would know where I stand so far.

That is to jean and super.

As for you super wrong doesn't mean mafia in the ec case, and if you would check any game I was in you would see I use the exact same rules as always with moosey.


I can't overlook it dude. I think your posts and activity have been townie but if chez isn't scum then last mafia is playing super well or it's jean with a yolobus.


So you've never read a mafia as town?

Cool story bro
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 29 2016 20:36 GMT
#1789
On June 30 2016 05:32 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2016 05:29 Damdred wrote:
On June 30 2016 05:28 Superbia wrote:
On June 30 2016 05:26 Damdred wrote:
If people actually read my posts without skipping them they would know where I stand so far.

That is to jean and super.

As for you super wrong doesn't mean mafia in the ec case, and if you would check any game I was in you would see I use the exact same rules as always with moosey.


I can't overlook it dude. I think your posts and activity have been townie but if chez isn't scum then last mafia is playing super well or it's jean with a yolobus.


So you've never read a mafia as town?

Cool story bro


Ofc I did. It's not that you read them town, it's that you gave moosy a "pass" (and that he said "hey damd, I'm the godfather" and your reponsive was awkward) and that your read on EC seemed forced.

Why so defensive when I'm voting chez?


Because you are ignoring every aspect of my gameplay and shoe horning everything into two things.

1) A policy I use in ever game I've played with him for awhile.
2) Not wanting to Lynch someone based off a paranoia post that everyone did.

It's just bad reasoning really.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 29 2016 20:39 GMT
#1791
Nope just Poe sadly on chez
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 29 2016 20:43 GMT
#1797
Not true jealous is pretty clear why he thinks what hebdoes

Just nobody really commented
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 29 2016 20:45 GMT
#1802
Sk who do you want to shenanigan?
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 29 2016 20:46 GMT
#1805
Jean leaving like this bothers me again blah
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 29 2016 20:56 GMT
#1835
I'm moving to jean.

I originally unvoted because his reluctance to move his vote to me to save himself. But once he had garnered enough to save himself he moved his vote to me after finding jealous case.

Which while well written is a narrative and lacks context. Then moved back to chez.

It's possible chez is the scum that has given up but jeans play and his wanting to leave up to EOD leaves me wanting. And he only came back when his name popped up actively lurking.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 29 2016 20:58 GMT
#1842
And honestly idk how you can forget about damdred when

1) since night I have been the most talked about person
2) Been in jeans Lynch pool for awhile but when he was explaining. His reads again he forgot to put me in. Which is weird.
3) led the vote for a good portion of the day
4) talked the living hell out of the thread
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 29 2016 22:33 GMT
#1871
If it makes you feel better tw I think your a good player and lots played meh in jat.

But

Jean, and super are my top scums atm.

I might have to move super up higher for being to sure of himself about lynches no flexibility about reads. Such as the always have to Lynch damdred this game.

That's an improbable statement as town and it bothers me so much just not because it's me. It shows a mindset that's not really looking g for scum exactly but rather lynching people just to Lynch

Like it's obvious I was still the top scum but he didn't want people to move to me exactly just stay on chez a coin flip to him, when his top scum was even on chez at points.

Totally weird from a town perspective.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 29 2016 22:37 GMT
#1872
Like the more I think about how super has been approaching the game the more scummy it feels.

Even his fake claim it barely lasted anytime and it was rescinded about the time we started talking about scum big plays.

Hrmmm would scum fake claim only to rescind like an hour later before any real reactions could be drawn? Yes I think it's possible. Likely idk?

I need opinions on that
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 29 2016 22:41 GMT
#1873
Like look how GB goes about scum reading me, totally feels natural but the push and response to wvwrything just feels so much different and actually takes into account other people's reads

Like idk super read on me just feels so strange constructed and unable to move. It's like look d1 at his read at me he always had me at null no matter what like he knew I was going to get discredited or had the ability to be pushed.

Even though he said he should town read me basically. Just so weird in hindsight.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 30 2016 00:36 GMT
#1874
Damn though I just can't blieve scum super would have 14 pages.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 30 2016 00:39 GMT
#1875
So let me run through this just talking to myself

Super has the activity and the weird play to be town, but has a couple things that are scum indicative to me. It's also possible super was to right d1 on moosey and on ec. If memory serves did talk GB into an ec Lynch which is points for town. The claim on tracker I think is probably more town sided than scum sided, though it was rescinded really fast with little reactions noted.

I think I should townreads super and just be a bit peeved hes not better at reading me.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 30 2016 03:31 GMT
#1876
I kind of just think it's probably jean at this point. Way he went about the Lynch as strange afking near the end but soon as we talk about going back to him just instantly reappears. Idk not much of a case that and I'm tired so tommorow on that.

There's an outside shot of super/tt but I think tt especially looking a lot better d2 so far.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 30 2016 03:51 GMT
#1877
Actually sk, can you explain in greater detail why you went

Damdred lock scum-only lynching damdred-Shenanigan onto jean.

While I appreciate the sentiment especially silly since I thinknive been Towny. Why was it so bad you think for him to vote me there? What caused your read change on me?

I know you partially answered already but just indulge me.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 30 2016 03:56 GMT
#1878
I wonder also how long jealous is banned for?

Anyway his refusal to really take part in the Lynch was a bit meh. Will have to wait a bit to see though
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 30 2016 15:11 GMT
#1901
You lacked a real driving force EOD to try to get people back on me jealous tbh. It's all fine and well to have what you consider the best case in the game, (which I've answered every point to in a coherent fashion) but if you don't really take part in the Lynch it's really for naught.

Anyway sk is it just jean now for you as scum? Or do you have anyone else you are thinking of here?

I won't have time before EOD to post a last second read post so I'm going to treat this like lylo and figure out people as I go.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 30 2016 15:30 GMT
#1902
TW could you take me through your interactions with ec? I saw you called him out for a couple things but never really moved him past null. Why would you do that?

Also can you take me through your thought process EOD that led you thinking jealous was only scum earlier to seeing people go on chez and decide chez was most likely scum. What made jealous drop a few spots in your estimation for not being the scummiest anymore?
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 30 2016 15:38 GMT
#1903
Jean could you tell me what your one reason for wanting to tr ec was? You said you would talk about it during the night but never did

Also why did you move moosey from your ignore list to suddenly Lynch moose last second? His play really hadn't changed much over the day I think.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 30 2016 18:06 GMT
#1905
But why do you want to Lynch me now?

Even meta aside jealous if you reached hard enough in anyone's filter you could find 10-15 posts that are inconsistant. Also ignoring your scums game and posts since the case is not how to get them lynched either.

If it's still that case which I argued against pretty effectively it's rather out dated and incomplete
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 30 2016 18:09 GMT
#1906
And to the Lynch part I think you will get better at arguing for your lynch as time and games go. But yesterday was a strange EOD nobody had a real strong push EOD.

If you would of pushed more effectively you could of gotten me lynched at the end instead of chez maybe, though I doubt it as most the game towns me now.

Either way that's more post game than present. And not an insult
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 30 2016 18:30 GMT
#1907
But aside from that there are several curious things in jeans filter.

I know I'm town
Sk is well reasoned and Towny, though as you go later put more pressure.
Jealous is town even though he's super tunneled.
Just by effort alone super is town
GB is confirmed
Art is town by filter length trying to figure out the game I think hes never going to be scum

So games not to to hard I'll focus on the others.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 30 2016 19:02 GMT
#1911
Yeah I forgot super but yeah super town probably
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 30 2016 19:23 GMT
#1914
On July 01 2016 03:30 Damdred wrote:
But aside from that there are several curious things in jeans filter.

I know I'm town
Sk is well reasoned and Towny, though as you go later put more pressure.
Jealous is town even though he's super tunneled.
Just by effort alone super is town
GB is confirmed
Art is town by filter length trying to figure out the game I think hes never going to be scum

So games not to to hard I'll focus on the others.



Yeah I just misread I'm in a hurryvsometimes
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 30 2016 19:54 GMT
#1917
It's an MMO so probably would die no?
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 30 2016 20:22 GMT
#1921
On June 27 2016 05:58 Jean Valjean wrote:
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On June 27 2016 05:58 Superbia wrote:
Literally -> I think moosy is scum. I have been pushing on moosy beginning of d1 -> I think super is scum.

This is the guy you all want as pres.

I think you're mafia.

I don't think moosy is mafia.


Idk I know you say your progression on moosey, but here you have it that you don't think moose is mafia.

You also think super is the most guaranteed mafia at the time of the Lynch.

Can you explain why you lynched moose over super exactly and why you didn't think he was scum at the end? A sort of horrid question but just go with it for now.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 30 2016 20:25 GMT
#1923
Before I afk I think e are sealing with a RB probably not a gf.

But got to look at tt, jean tommorow.

Tw is a distant third atm
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 30 2016 20:52 GMT
#1935
Nit much time I have.

Jeans answers aren't bad, pressure him,don't sleep on him.

Tt might be scum

Tw also could be

That's my top
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 30 2016 21:32 GMT
#1953
On July 01 2016 06:05 GlowingBear wrote:
Interesting NK


I thought it was pretty obvious, though sucks my friend is gone: (.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 30 2016 21:45 GMT
#1954
Anyway I'll be here soonish

I suggest nobody vote instead of ista vote without some form of red check.

Pressure your scum reads and then move on, but stay active.

Tumble, two dead people now think your possible scum. Who is scum to you and why?
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 30 2016 21:58 GMT
#1958
On July 01 2016 06:54 Tictock wrote:
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On July 01 2016 06:20 Jean Valjean wrote:
##vote Tictock

Poe/still scummy

If he flips scum superbia is worst player for not just sticking with the tracker claim.


My god you Yo-Yo back and forth on me.

Bring it.


Hi Tt, who's your top three scumatm?
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 30 2016 22:11 GMT
#1962
I'm curious why you still scum read me here Tt, but that can wait.

So it's only Jean then me/tw.

Is tumble just poe?
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 30 2016 22:29 GMT
#1967
What are those two reasons?

Also why did you swing on Jean your admitted top scum?
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
July 01 2016 00:04 GMT
#1973
I know I'll never convince gb of anything so I'll just jeep doing what I feel like.

Its kinda interesting to me that yesterday Tt almost to me being town, then he was pre try sure I was town.

Now it's I got to fight to the death with tumble when Jean was his top scum read and came around on him for little reasoning when he was so sure of him yesterday.

Just funky, idk what to make of it yet.

Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
July 01 2016 00:05 GMT
#1974
But I will say I would shoot people that tr me if they can catch me ie rs, hf, Jat, palmar.

In this situation I wouldn't shoot art I think.

But it's so wifom,because he was the hardest read town person in the game everyone else people hesitate on.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
July 01 2016 01:17 GMT
#1976
On July 01 2016 09:17 Jealous wrote:
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On July 01 2016 09:05 Damdred wrote:
But I will say I would shoot people that tr me if they can catch me ie rs, hf, Jat, palmar.

In this situation I wouldn't shoot art I think.

But it's so wifom,because he was the hardest read town person in the game everyone else people hesitate on.

What do you think is more likely scum play:

1. Someone who Artanis suspected was scum is getting rid of Artanis?
2. Someone who Artanis read as town getting rid of Artanis because suspicion on them would be unlikely?


1 is always the most likely, dead people cant push the way they see the game.

Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
July 01 2016 01:30 GMT
#1978
Even I sort of disagree with tt point though GB, it's a wifom reason at best. But just personally I probably wouldn't shoot art and he's to much of a obvious choice for bg

Idk I think I Ave a lot of good things in my 11 page filter however that happened.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
July 01 2016 03:53 GMT
#1984
Both ec and moose were going down hard. Idk
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
July 01 2016 05:18 GMT
#1991
The game was already manageable before hand tt, you just refused to see into my filter lol. And the solution being Lynch damdred after tumble is bad and you should know that.

Anyway, I don't agree necessarily that makes jean town no matter what in this situation GB, like it's more likely but moose could of voted jean there in either situation.

As for saving ec, I need to look at what was going on in the thread when tumble was afk. Like the vote was so spread out before last few minutes really didn't know what would happen exactly.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
July 01 2016 07:32 GMT
#1994
On July 01 2016 06:32 Damdred wrote:
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On July 01 2016 06:05 GlowingBear wrote:
Interesting NK


I thought it was pretty obvious, though sucks my friend is gone: (.


I said this after EOD.

To expound I agree that art was never ever getting lynched but I think he had a somewhat low chance of being the bodyguard maybe.

I think art kept his reads close enough to his chest that scum wanted to take out someone trying to solve the game and an activity driver. And who was in lynchable, art was all three.

Were his reads on the last scum amazing? Maybe, we can discuss that going forward.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
July 01 2016 07:36 GMT
#1995
About the same reasons that qt were killed probably but qt doesn't have a super up o date read list before he died.

He did have ec as scum so maybe it was to push away from him being right on ec.

Otherwise just leaves jealous, super and tw as his scum picks. Which idk not a huge amount o go off of.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
July 01 2016 15:59 GMT
#2051
It's unlikely in this setup for us to have a medic/RB/jailer or vet of some kind I think.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
July 01 2016 18:37 GMT
#2057
On July 02 2016 01:36 Superbia wrote:
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On July 02 2016 00:59 Damdred wrote:
It's unlikely in this setup for us to have a medic/RB/jailer or vet of some kind I think.


Depends.


Nah super unlikely

Basically if you give bodyguard to a town and both mayor and pardoner are town already mafia is forced to shoot into like 7 people n1. Throw in a medic save and mafia is highly behind already.

It just isn't balanced IMO, I mean you do have idiot medic moves but n1 qt should of been saved if we have a medic or jk.

Also GB I think you should claim who the bg is like 5 seconds before eon if we don't hit mafia today, agree or disagree?
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
July 01 2016 19:29 GMT
#2065
What worries me is if the bodyguard is scum and shoots GB tonight and we don't know who the confirmed scum is.

But yeah there ways to make sure they are town etc I think
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
July 01 2016 19:35 GMT
#2067
Jean doesn't know who the bg is
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
July 01 2016 19:37 GMT
#2068
It's not worth talking much about today though, tonight we can discuss it a bit more.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
July 01 2016 20:47 GMT
#2075
We still have a lynch after this one though gb before mylo
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
July 02 2016 02:25 GMT
#2141
Just so people know, the news played absolutely wonderful this game, and though jean had decent suspicion on him played well as well.

Overall town played amazing even though we were wrong at points.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
July 02 2016 02:27 GMT
#2142
Also glad I was right on tumble and got out of the tunnel on tt.

It was hard though at points to not fear Lynch jean or Lynch tt.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
July 02 2016 02:56 GMT
#2144
Was never going to be me though
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
July 02 2016 02:57 GMT
#2145
Also tumble a decent argument there would be what would happen if damdred was framed or some sort of nonsense. It would of been a fun argument
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
July 02 2016 03:53 GMT
#2149
Your d1 was excellent ec and your interactions were a little strange though tbh in retrospect.

All in all it was a great showing d1 but got unlucky a slight bit.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
July 02 2016 04:07 GMT
#2151
Game would of been different if GB shot me I fear.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
July 02 2016 04:54 GMT
#2153
Honestly you should of hopped on my Lynch and rode it out lol
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
July 02 2016 05:10 GMT
#2154
Idk I sort of felt like you were in a really tight spot was hard for scum
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
July 02 2016 06:23 GMT
#2158
My big concern was scum was the bg tbh, the kills while great kills sis not align well with actually searching for the bg.

Art was never the bg neither was qt, idk. I was going to make GB claim who the bg was by nights end see how it went.

I think the amazing thing was yourself included tumble were hard to really pin down anything scummy. It was a really fun game and many people played really well.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
July 02 2016 22:15 GMT
#2177
It was a fear/policy Lynch.

He also had a couple of questionable things in his filter that could of been mafia interaction. He answered it quite well however.

I think everyone made decent de visions at points.

And after d1 I tr jealous pretty well throughout the game after that.

Anyway the town was just good, probably to good. Best town someone should nominate it
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