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You can be the president.
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Superbia is next lynch. Let's keep going.
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On June 27 2016 06:10 Jean Valjean wrote:
Superbia is next lynch. Let's keep going.
What a jooooke. But sure.
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We can fight over this tomorrow. 
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Huh moosey was playing against wincon either way.
Kinda thought idk.
It was a good shot just sucks for his team.
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Eh super hit moosey out really early kinda never want to lynch him yet.
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Gonna sleep. Good shit etc.
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Also some people called my post on moosy supersmart. Need to look at those people to see if they scumread moosy.
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Just looked at TT's filter for interactions regarding MD.
On June 25 2016 22:36 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2016 22:27 Superbia wrote:On June 25 2016 22:21 Tictock wrote:On June 25 2016 21:28 Superbia wrote:
TT lend me your thoughts Almost caughtup. I'd like to know where you are going with Moosy and Jealous. Moosy's entrance feels too much like "hey guys, I'm claiming MAFIA, like I did last game I was TOWN". Feels too fake. I would expect town moosy to actually switch it up instead of doing nearly the same thing as last game. You know I kinda felt the same... It was overblown especially with his interaction with Damdred. I didn't get the same happy go lucky trolling feeling from him either, more like ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/T1ZPun4.jpg) I'm surprised you want to read Jealous based off an "I'm AFK" post.
On June 26 2016 00:40 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 00:33 Damdred wrote:
And who exactly is scum TT? Even outside me? I could go with a yolo team of Art/Damdred/Moosy Though my gut feeling isn't so strong on Moosy atm ... (wasn't digging his opening though).
Looks pretty bad to me. Soft scumming a scum whilst pushing others. The first post is one of the only ones actually addressing MD.
That said, there wasn't much to go off on anyway so there is that.
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Though there is the deflection in the first one. Agrees with MD read, bounces off to talk about Jealous.
Second one also kinda deflecting on the MD read.
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It sounds stupid but I think
On June 25 2016 08:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2016 08:19 QuickTwist wrote:On June 25 2016 08:13 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 25 2016 08:11 QuickTwist wrote:On June 25 2016 08:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I READ THE FIRST TWO PAGES QUICKTIWST IS LIKELY TOWN I only had two posts in the first two pages of the game, here they are: On June 25 2016 06:22 QuickTwist wrote:On June 25 2016 06:20 Tumblewood wrote:On June 25 2016 06:14 QuickTwist wrote:
Sub is different so far from what I remember of him early last game. He's more serious and not as prominently trolly. you mean that in the last game he was more serious, right? do you glean anything from the trolling or no? No, I mean last time he said stuff like "first one to hard claim gets a free pass today" and I don't see him doing that here. Also his big huge letters was a little over the top IMO. On June 25 2016 06:28 QuickTwist wrote:On June 25 2016 06:22 QuickTwist wrote:On June 25 2016 06:20 Tumblewood wrote:On June 25 2016 06:14 QuickTwist wrote:
Sub is different so far from what I remember of him early last game. He's more serious and not as prominently trolly. you mean that in the last game he was more serious, right? do you glean anything from the trolling or no? No, I mean last time he said stuff like "first one to hard claim Mafia gets a free pass today" and I don't see him doing that here. Also his big huge letters was a little over the top IMO. EBWOP How are you getting a town read on me because of that? A. I'm Mafia so I have perfect information and know you rolled town. B. You're going right to the scum hunting like last game and you ahve same tone as last game although it seems you're more willing ot tkae a step back after what happened last game which is why you're deciding to be more observant rather than active htis game amirite? How do I know you are not more aware of this as being Mafia? That's why I put point A. I'm Mafia and you're not on my team so you're obv town!
MD is the kind of player that would make comments like this that are 100% true and laughs to himself about it. Kinda reinforces my already strong TR on QT.
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This makes me glad for so many reasons. I was so ready to be disappointed and frustrated.
1) It means I don't have to hate Moosy as much. While his strategy was bad, at least he had a strategy. It wasn't completely retarded, because many people would be tempted to not kill according to policy/organization and instead fall back on emotion. I and many others thought that Moosy was quite possibly town despite logically his play only making sense from a mafia perspective.
2) Organized play paid off. Doing the objectively right thing paid off. I hate it when you get punished for killing people who should be killed because they decided to be funny as town and troll. I did the objectively and mechanically right thing without worrying too much about some gut feelings and it worked. It's a victory for correct play on TL Mafia.
3) Got'em boys
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Very nice. I'm glad MoosyDoosy shenanigans failed him in this game. Glad I came around to vote for Jean.
+ Show Spoiler [Extreme paranoia] +I will have to examine MoosyDoosy vs. Jean for fear of this being a legendary bus.
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A moosey+Tt team makes sense I was playing with the idea.
A moose+super doesn't tbh especially with a general rule of ignoring moosey d1. Early call out was good
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On June 27 2016 06:07 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2016 05:30 Jealous wrote:On June 27 2016 04:59 Jealous wrote:Tumblewood: + Show Spoiler +Pretty weak play so far. Has only posted one or two substantiated reads. This quote from him sums it up: "like, there's playing the game, and then there's trying to solve the game. most of us are just playing the game right now..." Don't like him so far, but not enough to say he's scum. Some decent posts questioning people. A lot of fluff otherwise. Asking to be mayor over and over without giving any reasoning as to why he should be one. Somehow has garnered a lot of support despite not being wholly convincing to me. Only one real good post explaining his reads. If he wasn't pushing so hard to be mayor without any real foundation, I would townlean on him. : + Show Spoiler +emperorchampion: + Show Spoiler +Very weak start to the game but made a goost post @Jean, which I liked. Overall I'm not very impressed with his play so far, but he hasn't said anything that seemed outright scummy, so I have him as null for now. : + Show Spoiler +Weak reads, hasn't contributed much of anything at all. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/510385-presidential-election-mini-mafia?page=23#459This post is suspect because he gets on the defensive while saying that there is "no real reason" for him being scumpushed, but has done nothing in the game up to that point, which to me is reason enough. Later on he gets pressured more, and again says there is no reason to scumread him even though yet again he hasn't contribute much of anything. Gives detailed reads under pressure and they do not impress. Does reads based on "tone" and stuff like that. Tries to jump on me for a policy lynch, then posts this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/510385-presidential-election-mini-mafia?page=41#807Trying to be objective about it, I think is a horrible post. I answered a question directly to the best of my ability and he disqualifies it because I have no experience playing with Artanis? Also uses this as an opportunity to further support his QT town read that he has been pushing from the start. A few posts later, he is convinced that I am scum and not just inactive as I said I would be, all based off of one post. Although, apparently moves me to "lower null" just a few minutes ago. Makes a late push for pardoner? On what basis? -_- Definite scum lean. : + Show Spoiler +Super trolly as always, which I hate that he can get away with every game (according to what some veterans have said so far). Impossible to read and thus not a benefit to town so far. : + Show Spoiler +Has contributed the least of all besides MoosyDoosy. Hard to read off of that, but necessitates a mild scum lean from me. : + Show Spoiler +A few jokey posts at the start of the game, with some weak/fake reads. I don't personally like that style of play but I wouldn't send him to the gallows for it (if I were to do so, Moosy would go first). I can actually understand his push on QT, as QT himself said he plays "oddly" and that seems to get him into trouble D1. I wish QT would play less "odd." It wouldn't cause situations like this one. QT's case was pretty weak in my opinion but because he isn't the type to let it go, Artanis was forced into a defensive position (seems like he doesn't like giving up either, even though he eventually did). Overall I'd have to say Artanis reacted pretty normally to the situation.
After that, I feel that he has been active and trying to push the game forward, albeit using too much meta, history, and "tone" for my liking. His play vs. Jean and @TT, I can't entirely agree with, but he's trying. He's town to me. More to come. QuickTwist: + Show Spoiler +I like that he has a serious approach to the game, but I also feel this results in him being somewhat obtuse in the early game of D1. Probably still acclimating to TL. It might be harder to do so as a player from another site than as a total newb to Mafia like the other newbs from the Newbie game. Regardless, I definitely did not feel like his counter-attack on Artanis holds water. Also seriously dislike his tone, which he tried to excuse as being reflective of some real life situation, but I have the inclination to believe that it is more reflective of a short temper and not coping well with the mannerisms of TL Mafia. This isn't AI, though. I think I just might not like him as a player, as opposed to thinking he is scum for it. The hyper-aggression just makes me look down upon him. "What the fuck is this dumb ass argument?" - Why so serious, kiddo? Got your panties in a bunch? -_-; QuickTwat from here on out.
However, I am inclined to lean town on him simply because he is playing with purpose and without much indication of being scum. I think he is making the same mistake I did D1 against him, which is ironic: jumping to conclusions. Also, he seems to have given a few free passes, which I don't like. Will have to stick to my read that QT vs. Artanis was TvT for now. : + Show Spoiler +Seems like a constructive and experienced poster. Reacted well to my raising suspicions about his election strategy. Still gives me the creeps a little, but not enough to pinpoint him as the scum. I feel that his clear presentation of ideas makes it easier to work with him, whether he is town or not. Any deviation from this foundation he has made as a reputaiton would be under instant scrutiny. I'm okay with him being Mayor, I think. Hopefully I'm not wrong. : + Show Spoiler +I like his stance on QT's play, not so much on Artanis's play. His strategy for voting which would make him pardoner didn't make much sense to me. However, his other posts seem to be probing in directions I can get behind (beside Chez for Prez, which given Chez's filter I can't really take seriously). I townlean on him. More to come. Skynx: + Show Spoiler +Has a fair mix of decent posts and really useless posts, but not many posts in total. Overall I can't say I agree with some of his reads and pushes, but I don't find them to be necessarily scummy? Kinda divided on this one, so I'll say he is null to me for now, maybe a slight scum lean if I factor in overall activity. : + Show Spoiler +Asks a lot of questions, which is good, but doesn't post much of his own thinking on matters until a bit later. On June 26 2016 21:44 Superbia wrote:
I always reach conclusions, I just don't share all of them. ;p I don't like this mentality, however... I feel like this is pretty consistent of the Superbia I know from the Newbie game; he seems more suited to the role of interrogator than investigator, that's how he plays. It is an easier facade to have as scum, but at the same time I don't really get that vibe from him. Hopefully he will ask enough questions and collect enough answers to be pivotal later in the game (again), so I'm okay with keeping him around with a slight townlean. Open for constructive discussion on any of the above reads.
EBWOP
(Sorry for posting during the night, had been typing for a while and did not notice the time)
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On June 27 2016 06:18 Jealous wrote:Very nice. I'm glad MoosyDoosy shenanigans failed him in this game. Glad I came around to vote for Jean. + Show Spoiler [Extreme paranoia] +I will have to examine MoosyDoosy vs. Jean for fear of this being a legendary bus.
I'm going to worry about that only by the time we hit LYLO.
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Absolutely 100% confirmed town
Chezinu
Town
Quicktwist
Jean Valjean
Damdred
Skynx
Tumblewood
Townish
GlowingBear
-power gap-
Jealous
Emperorarechampion
Mildly leaning mafia
Superbia
Lean mafia
Ticktock
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You know a gb+tt+moosey isn't the most out there team
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gg lads. Planned to play this way as either town or scum but it didn't work out this time.
Either way, you guys should really stop acting superior to each other. Posturing yourself above other players only creates the negative atmosphere in TL that pushes players away and makes us more prone to getting angry at each other. So please address each player and post equally. If you're the town leader, don't abuse the power, etc, etc. There was some of it this game which I disliked. I just ask for a respectful game from the rest of you all especially since we do have some newbies. Have fun all. :D
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