On June 26 2016 18:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I also have a natural bias against OMGUSing because I know people tend to view scumreading someone that suspects you as such so I tend to focus on other people. It's kinda funny/stupid but it's true.
So then maybe you should explain your read on me a little better.
You've been a complete non-factor throughout the game, mostly just echoing sentiments of others. Your focus point has been on things other than reads in the early game when you did have time, such as plans on mayor/pardoner. You also seem very stuck in your reads, no fluidity at all and call me out for changing my reads as if it were a scum factor, and don't really seem to be attempting to unearth people's alignments.
Do you think this is a scum trait in general or specific to me?
On June 26 2016 04:51 Skynx wrote: I don't think Chez is necessarily scum but he's yet to make one fkin constructive post, I mean look at his filter. I'm not comfortable with him being president.
I know it's the Internet but it the texts sounds angry. Could this possibly be because of the people looking and pointing at you?
You must quit playing mafia and open your private text emotion interpreting company. You can earn millions from angry teen couples.
On June 26 2016 18:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I also have a natural bias against OMGUSing because I know people tend to view scumreading someone that suspects you as such so I tend to focus on other people. It's kinda funny/stupid but it's true.
So then maybe you should explain your read on me a little better.
You've been a complete non-factor throughout the game, mostly just echoing sentiments of others. Your focus point has been on things other than reads in the early game when you did have time, such as plans on mayor/pardoner. You also seem very stuck in your reads, no fluidity at all and call me out for changing my reads as if it were a scum factor, and don't really seem to be attempting to unearth people's alignments.
Do you think this is a scum trait in general or specific to me?
I am kinda holding back on my reads some, I can agree that can be kinda scummy. Prob just gunna have to deal with it though.
I think it is true in general. I also think it's true for you in the sense that you're a lot more interesting when you're town than what's currently going on.
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Also I don't think we should refer JVJ as smurf unless he confirms. If i were Alakaslam I'd just create another account which takes 5 seconds instead of joining a game as a smurf you already confirmed.
On June 26 2016 19:13 Skynx wrote: Also I don't think we should refer JVJ as smurf unless he confirms. If i were Alakaslam I'd just create another account which takes 5 seconds instead of joining a game as a smurf you already confirmed.
He obviously is a smurf. It's possible it's not Slam but at the very least it's someone Slam knows since he had the account which makes him a smurf by any account.
I also think it's likely that it actually is Slam since he didn't respond to the comments that it's him at all.
On June 26 2016 19:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I've never seen you truly try as mafia, Slam. I've seen you truly try as town and you've had incredible games there. I don't see why not hard townreading you would be proving I'm scum, that's a very loaded statement.
You don't know whether or not my alternate identity is Slam. Applying some meta that might be completely wrong is dumb.
The sentence is loaded because it should be. The way I've approached pressuring you is not something many players on this site are capable of doing as mafia. To think I'm mafia, one or two things kinda have to be true.
1) you must think I am excellent at playing scum 2) you must not have noticed the kind of pressure being put on you is not something normal or off-hand
The simple conclusion to my alignment, assuming I'm not some scum-god, is that I must be town because there's almost no one capable of doing what I have been doing as mafia.
So yes, the statement is loaded, because it is intended to be.
On June 26 2016 19:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I've never seen you truly try as mafia, Slam. I've seen you truly try as town and you've had incredible games there. I don't see why not hard townreading you would be proving I'm scum, that's a very loaded statement.
You don't know whether or not my alternate identity is Slam. Applying some meta that might be completely wrong is dumb.
The sentence is loaded because it should be. The way I've approached pressuring you is not something many players on this site are capable of doing as mafia. To think I'm mafia, one or two things kinda have to be true.
1) you must think I am excellent at playing scum 2) you must not have noticed the kind of pressure being put on you is not something normal or off-hand
The simple conclusion to my alignment, assuming I'm not some scum-god, is that I must be town because there's almost no one capable of doing what I have been doing as mafia.
So yes, the statement is loaded, because it is intended to be.
It's not that hard to kick a puppy that's already being kicked by a few others. Plus, knowing I'm town means I know you're tunneling on town, which has plenty of mafia reasoning behind it. The fact that you're trying so hard to use it as leverage to get townread also diminishes its worth as clearly you're very aware of what you're doing.
On June 26 2016 18:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I also have a natural bias against OMGUSing because I know people tend to view scumreading someone that suspects you as such so I tend to focus on other people. It's kinda funny/stupid but it's true.
So then maybe you should explain your read on me a little better.
You've been a complete non-factor throughout the game, mostly just echoing sentiments of others. Your focus point has been on things other than reads in the early game when you did have time, such as plans on mayor/pardoner. You also seem very stuck in your reads, no fluidity at all and call me out for changing my reads as if it were a scum factor, and don't really seem to be attempting to unearth people's alignments.
Do you think this is a scum trait in general or specific to me?
I am kinda holding back on my reads some, I can agree that can be kinda scummy. Prob just gunna have to deal with it though.
I think it is true in general. I also think it's true for you in the sense that you're a lot more interesting when you're town than what's currently going on.
Yea see this just shows you have no real understanding of my meta...
On June 26 2016 19:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I've never seen you truly try as mafia, Slam. I've seen you truly try as town and you've had incredible games there. I don't see why not hard townreading you would be proving I'm scum, that's a very loaded statement.
You don't know whether or not my alternate identity is Slam. Applying some meta that might be completely wrong is dumb.
The sentence is loaded because it should be. The way I've approached pressuring you is not something many players on this site are capable of doing as mafia. To think I'm mafia, one or two things kinda have to be true.
1) you must think I am excellent at playing scum 2) you must not have noticed the kind of pressure being put on you is not something normal or off-hand
The simple conclusion to my alignment, assuming I'm not some scum-god, is that I must be town because there's almost no one capable of doing what I have been doing as mafia.
So yes, the statement is loaded, because it is intended to be.
It's not that hard to kick a puppy that's already being kicked by a few others. Plus, knowing I'm town means I know you're tunneling on town, which has plenty of mafia reasoning behind it. The fact that you're trying so hard to use it as leverage to get townread also diminishes its worth as clearly you're very aware of what you're doing.
I am perfectly aware of what I am doing Artanis, I am very smart.
I am also perceptive enough to undestand why what you're doing right now is not logical. For example, when Skynx pushed you with weaker and less coherent reasons, and put less force behind the push than I am doing now, you simply wrote him off as town for the very fact that he wrote a case on you.
For some reason I'm not getting the same treatment. If anything, my points are better thought out and more valid than Skynx', so why am I not getting the same treatment?
Objectively, I have, in this conversation and the previous one, put you on the defense. How many scum players on TL can put you on defense when you're town? I understand other players do not have to townread me, they're not you. But you, specifically, should really be changing your mind about my alignment right now.
On June 26 2016 18:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I also have a natural bias against OMGUSing because I know people tend to view scumreading someone that suspects you as such so I tend to focus on other people. It's kinda funny/stupid but it's true.
So then maybe you should explain your read on me a little better.
You've been a complete non-factor throughout the game, mostly just echoing sentiments of others. Your focus point has been on things other than reads in the early game when you did have time, such as plans on mayor/pardoner. You also seem very stuck in your reads, no fluidity at all and call me out for changing my reads as if it were a scum factor, and don't really seem to be attempting to unearth people's alignments.
Do you think this is a scum trait in general or specific to me?
I am kinda holding back on my reads some, I can agree that can be kinda scummy. Prob just gunna have to deal with it though.
I think it is true in general. I also think it's true for you in the sense that you're a lot more interesting when you're town than what's currently going on.
Yea see this just shows you have no real understanding of my meta...
And you're wrong, I'm pretty darned interesting.
I know... my mom told me.
I remember that in Outlaw you were pretty interesting. In PYP, you were also interesting. I don't think you've rolled scum recently (database is outdated and your last game there is nutcracker) so I don't really have much to compare with on the other side, but this doesn't look like your town game to me.
I agree, you're usually interesting. Therefore it is very disappointing that this game you're not
On June 26 2016 19:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I've never seen you truly try as mafia, Slam. I've seen you truly try as town and you've had incredible games there. I don't see why not hard townreading you would be proving I'm scum, that's a very loaded statement.
You don't know whether or not my alternate identity is Slam. Applying some meta that might be completely wrong is dumb.
The sentence is loaded because it should be. The way I've approached pressuring you is not something many players on this site are capable of doing as mafia. To think I'm mafia, one or two things kinda have to be true.
1) you must think I am excellent at playing scum 2) you must not have noticed the kind of pressure being put on you is not something normal or off-hand
The simple conclusion to my alignment, assuming I'm not some scum-god, is that I must be town because there's almost no one capable of doing what I have been doing as mafia.
So yes, the statement is loaded, because it is intended to be.
It's not that hard to kick a puppy that's already being kicked by a few others. Plus, knowing I'm town means I know you're tunneling on town, which has plenty of mafia reasoning behind it. The fact that you're trying so hard to use it as leverage to get townread also diminishes its worth as clearly you're very aware of what you're doing.
I am perfectly aware of what I am doing Artanis, I am very smart.
I am also perceptive enough to undestand why what you're doing right now is not logical. For example, when Skynx pushed you with weaker and less coherent reasons, and put less force behind the push than I am doing now, you simply wrote him off as town for the very fact that he wrote a case on you.
For some reason I'm not getting the same treatment. If anything, my points are better thought out and more valid than Skynx', so why am I not getting the same treatment?
Objectively, I have, in this conversation and the previous one, put you on the defense. How many scum players on TL can put you on defense when you're town? I understand other players do not have to townread me, they're not you. But you, specifically, should really be changing your mind about my alignment right now.
Because Skynx is a newbie and you're, as you put it, very smart, and probably have a lot of experience in playing mafia. I use different bars for different players.
On June 26 2016 18:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I also have a natural bias against OMGUSing because I know people tend to view scumreading someone that suspects you as such so I tend to focus on other people. It's kinda funny/stupid but it's true.
So then maybe you should explain your read on me a little better.
You've been a complete non-factor throughout the game, mostly just echoing sentiments of others. Your focus point has been on things other than reads in the early game when you did have time, such as plans on mayor/pardoner. You also seem very stuck in your reads, no fluidity at all and call me out for changing my reads as if it were a scum factor, and don't really seem to be attempting to unearth people's alignments.
Do you think this is a scum trait in general or specific to me?
I am kinda holding back on my reads some, I can agree that can be kinda scummy. Prob just gunna have to deal with it though.
I think it is true in general. I also think it's true for you in the sense that you're a lot more interesting when you're town than what's currently going on.
Yea see this just shows you have no real understanding of my meta...
And you're wrong, I'm pretty darned interesting.
I know... my mom told me.
I remember that in Outlaw you were pretty interesting. In PYP, you were also interesting. I don't think you've rolled scum recently (database is outdated and your last game there is nutcracker) so I don't really have much to compare with on the other side, but this doesn't look like your town game to me.
I agree, you're usually interesting. Therefore it is very disappointing that this game you're not
Lol I think those my worst and best town games you just referenced. Was my D1 play in those so different from this game?
I am announcing a late candidacy to become Monsieur le maire.
I know I have not had the time to contribute as much as I'd like over this cycle, but that will change during the next one. More importantly, what I contribute tends to be very clear, focused, and easy to read. I do not engage in frivolous exchanges about irrelevant points, making my filter very clear to read. I bring experience, leadership and directness to the office. My platform consists of three general ideas.
Accountability: I do not intend to let anyone get away with half-assed or unexplained reads. When someone makes a statement without explaining it or backing it up in any way, I will be there to push him on it. I will make sure people don't get to slide away with inane statements, forcing them to actually explain what they mean.
Transparency: I write precise, constructed posts that are a pleasure to read, my words are stimulating and entertaining, wise and thoughtful, concise and powerful. I post sparingly making my own filter much easier to read for you the citizens. You will always have all the information needed to make a judgement on my alignment.
Organization: I am, by nature, a planner. I am willing to help set up ideas in a way that makes town more likely to be successful. I will help identify targets, create factions and force people to take stances. I will help eliminate options that seem unlikely and thus help create a more constructed game, something TL Mafia desperately needs.
Lastly, I want to point out that should I fail to win the election, and instead be relegated to the role of Pardoner, I will never use that role. If I am unable to convince town that a lynch is bad using my personal charm and charisma, I will not resort to using a role. If I am Pardoner, I should be automatically killed for ever using that role.
In conclusion, I think I am qualified to take on the role of mayor. I think it's also fitting thematically with my name, so that's a bonus. I will continue to help town move forward in a way that will benefit the public, the citizens, and not the mafia.
We should start figuring out our votes for President (Mayor) and Pardoner. Kus right now the votes look like shit.
Potential mayor candidates should both explain who they want to lynch and why, but maybe we should do an unofficial lynch vote and agree that the mayor should lynch that person?
On June 26 2016 19:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I've never seen you truly try as mafia, Slam. I've seen you truly try as town and you've had incredible games there. I don't see why not hard townreading you would be proving I'm scum, that's a very loaded statement.
You don't know whether or not my alternate identity is Slam. Applying some meta that might be completely wrong is dumb.
The sentence is loaded because it should be. The way I've approached pressuring you is not something many players on this site are capable of doing as mafia. To think I'm mafia, one or two things kinda have to be true.
1) you must think I am excellent at playing scum 2) you must not have noticed the kind of pressure being put on you is not something normal or off-hand
The simple conclusion to my alignment, assuming I'm not some scum-god, is that I must be town because there's almost no one capable of doing what I have been doing as mafia.
So yes, the statement is loaded, because it is intended to be.
It's not that hard to kick a puppy that's already being kicked by a few others. Plus, knowing I'm town means I know you're tunneling on town, which has plenty of mafia reasoning behind it. The fact that you're trying so hard to use it as leverage to get townread also diminishes its worth as clearly you're very aware of what you're doing.
I am perfectly aware of what I am doing Artanis, I am very smart.
I am also perceptive enough to undestand why what you're doing right now is not logical. For example, when Skynx pushed you with weaker and less coherent reasons, and put less force behind the push than I am doing now, you simply wrote him off as town for the very fact that he wrote a case on you.
For some reason I'm not getting the same treatment. If anything, my points are better thought out and more valid than Skynx', so why am I not getting the same treatment?
Objectively, I have, in this conversation and the previous one, put you on the defense. How many scum players on TL can put you on defense when you're town? I understand other players do not have to townread me, they're not you. But you, specifically, should really be changing your mind about my alignment right now.
Because Skynx is a newbie and you're, as you put it, very smart, and probably have a lot of experience in playing mafia. I use different bars for different players.
I do like that I managed to put you in a corner where your options were
a) call me awesome b) call yourself mafia
Anyway, I think I'll leave you for now, but that doesn't mean you're out of danger. You are currently the lynch target for my mayoral campaign, and will remain so. There's two reasons I'm not going to bother with you for a while, the first one is that I need to read up on other players to better flesh out my platform and vision for this game, and secondly it's just mean to run up the score when you're so thoroughly trouncing your opponent.
On June 26 2016 19:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I've never seen you truly try as mafia, Slam. I've seen you truly try as town and you've had incredible games there. I don't see why not hard townreading you would be proving I'm scum, that's a very loaded statement.
You don't know whether or not my alternate identity is Slam. Applying some meta that might be completely wrong is dumb.
The sentence is loaded because it should be. The way I've approached pressuring you is not something many players on this site are capable of doing as mafia. To think I'm mafia, one or two things kinda have to be true.
1) you must think I am excellent at playing scum 2) you must not have noticed the kind of pressure being put on you is not something normal or off-hand
The simple conclusion to my alignment, assuming I'm not some scum-god, is that I must be town because there's almost no one capable of doing what I have been doing as mafia.
So yes, the statement is loaded, because it is intended to be.
It's not that hard to kick a puppy that's already being kicked by a few others. Plus, knowing I'm town means I know you're tunneling on town, which has plenty of mafia reasoning behind it. The fact that you're trying so hard to use it as leverage to get townread also diminishes its worth as clearly you're very aware of what you're doing.
I am perfectly aware of what I am doing Artanis, I am very smart.
I am also perceptive enough to undestand why what you're doing right now is not logical. For example, when Skynx pushed you with weaker and less coherent reasons, and put less force behind the push than I am doing now, you simply wrote him off as town for the very fact that he wrote a case on you.
For some reason I'm not getting the same treatment. If anything, my points are better thought out and more valid than Skynx', so why am I not getting the same treatment?
Objectively, I have, in this conversation and the previous one, put you on the defense. How many scum players on TL can put you on defense when you're town? I understand other players do not have to townread me, they're not you. But you, specifically, should really be changing your mind about my alignment right now.
Because Skynx is a newbie and you're, as you put it, very smart, and probably have a lot of experience in playing mafia. I use different bars for different players.
I do like that I managed to put you in a corner where your options were
a) call me awesome b) call yourself mafia
Anyway, I think I'll leave you for now, but that doesn't mean you're out of danger. You are currently the lynch target for my mayoral campaign, and will remain so. There's two reasons I'm not going to bother with you for a while, the first one is that I need to read up on other players to better flesh out my platform and vision for this game, and secondly it's just mean to run up the score when you're so thoroughly trouncing your opponent.
I will probably spite lynch you if you keep this up btw. Your ego's choking out the game.
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