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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 26 2016 10:09 GMT
#721
On June 26 2016 19:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2016 18:54 Tictock wrote:
On June 26 2016 18:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I also have a natural bias against OMGUSing because I know people tend to view scumreading someone that suspects you as such so I tend to focus on other people. It's kinda funny/stupid but it's true.


So then maybe you should explain your read on me a little better.

You've been a complete non-factor throughout the game, mostly just echoing sentiments of others. Your focus point has been on things other than reads in the early game when you did have time, such as plans on mayor/pardoner. You also seem very stuck in your reads, no fluidity at all and call me out for changing my reads as if it were a scum factor, and don't really seem to be attempting to unearth people's alignments.


Do you think this is a scum trait in general or specific to me?

Calling me a non-factor is just hurtful + Show Spoiler +
and not particularly accurate imo


I am kinda holding back on my reads some, I can agree that can be kinda scummy. Prob just gunna have to deal with it though.
I can take that responsibility.
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 26 2016 10:10 GMT
#722
On June 26 2016 07:05 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2016 04:51 Skynx wrote:
I don't think Chez is necessarily scum but he's yet to make one fkin constructive post, I mean look at his filter. I'm not comfortable with him being president.


I know it's the Internet but it the texts sounds angry. Could this possibly be because of the people looking and pointing at you?

You must quit playing mafia and open your private text emotion interpreting company. You can earn millions from angry teen couples.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
June 26 2016 10:11 GMT
#723
On June 26 2016 19:09 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2016 19:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 26 2016 18:54 Tictock wrote:
On June 26 2016 18:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I also have a natural bias against OMGUSing because I know people tend to view scumreading someone that suspects you as such so I tend to focus on other people. It's kinda funny/stupid but it's true.


So then maybe you should explain your read on me a little better.

You've been a complete non-factor throughout the game, mostly just echoing sentiments of others. Your focus point has been on things other than reads in the early game when you did have time, such as plans on mayor/pardoner. You also seem very stuck in your reads, no fluidity at all and call me out for changing my reads as if it were a scum factor, and don't really seem to be attempting to unearth people's alignments.


Do you think this is a scum trait in general or specific to me?

Calling me a non-factor is just hurtful + Show Spoiler +
and not particularly accurate imo


I am kinda holding back on my reads some, I can agree that can be kinda scummy. Prob just gunna have to deal with it though.

I think it is true in general. I also think it's true for you in the sense that you're a lot more interesting when you're town than what's currently going on.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 26 2016 10:11 GMT
#724
Day 1 Votecount

Artanis[Xp] (2): Chezinu, Artanis[Xp]
Superbia (2): Tumblewood, Superbia
Jealous (1): Jealous
Skynx (1): Skynx
QuickTwist (1): GlowingBear
Tumblewood (1): Tictock

Not Voting (5): emperorchampion, Damdred, MoosyDoosy, QuickTwist, Jean Valjean

As of now, Artanis[Xp] will become Mayor and Superbia will become Pardoner!


Day 1 ends Sunday, Jun 26 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in .
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Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
June 26 2016 10:13 GMT
#725
Also I don't think we should refer JVJ as smurf unless he confirms. If i were Alakaslam I'd just create another account which takes 5 seconds instead of joining a game as a smurf you already confirmed.
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
June 26 2016 10:14 GMT
#726
On June 26 2016 19:13 Skynx wrote:
Also I don't think we should refer JVJ as smurf unless he confirms. If i were Alakaslam I'd just create another account which takes 5 seconds instead of joining a game as a smurf you already confirmed.

He obviously is a smurf. It's possible it's not Slam but at the very least it's someone Slam knows since he had the account which makes him a smurf by any account.

I also think it's likely that it actually is Slam since he didn't respond to the comments that it's him at all.
Jean Valjean
Profile Joined April 2015
France216 Posts
June 26 2016 10:15 GMT
#727
On June 26 2016 19:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I've never seen you truly try as mafia, Slam. I've seen you truly try as town and you've had incredible games there. I don't see why not hard townreading you would be proving I'm scum, that's a very loaded statement.

You don't know whether or not my alternate identity is Slam. Applying some meta that might be completely wrong is dumb.

The sentence is loaded because it should be. The way I've approached pressuring you is not something many players on this site are capable of doing as mafia. To think I'm mafia, one or two things kinda have to be true.

1) you must think I am excellent at playing scum
2) you must not have noticed the kind of pressure being put on you is not something normal or off-hand

The simple conclusion to my alignment, assuming I'm not some scum-god, is that I must be town because there's almost no one capable of doing what I have been doing as mafia.

So yes, the statement is loaded, because it is intended to be.
In His name my task has just begun, I will see it done!
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 26 2016 10:17 GMT
#728
On June 26 2016 19:05 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2016 19:01 Tictock wrote:
On June 26 2016 18:49 Skynx wrote:
GB for pres TT for pardonner plz.


Why GB?

Would you consider Tumble for pres?

+ Show Spoiler [Or...] +
Chez for Prez?

I'm thinking GB is more confirmed town than Tumble atm.

Chez would prolly make a worse pres than our PM.


Eh I think Chez would make a great Prez, would probably make TL Mafia great again.

But it's fine, clearly you are not a supporter of the silly party.

I can take that responsibility.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
June 26 2016 10:17 GMT
#729
On June 26 2016 19:15 Jean Valjean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2016 19:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I've never seen you truly try as mafia, Slam. I've seen you truly try as town and you've had incredible games there. I don't see why not hard townreading you would be proving I'm scum, that's a very loaded statement.

You don't know whether or not my alternate identity is Slam. Applying some meta that might be completely wrong is dumb.

The sentence is loaded because it should be. The way I've approached pressuring you is not something many players on this site are capable of doing as mafia. To think I'm mafia, one or two things kinda have to be true.

1) you must think I am excellent at playing scum
2) you must not have noticed the kind of pressure being put on you is not something normal or off-hand

The simple conclusion to my alignment, assuming I'm not some scum-god, is that I must be town because there's almost no one capable of doing what I have been doing as mafia.

So yes, the statement is loaded, because it is intended to be.

It's not that hard to kick a puppy that's already being kicked by a few others. Plus, knowing I'm town means I know you're tunneling on town, which has plenty of mafia reasoning behind it. The fact that you're trying so hard to use it as leverage to get townread also diminishes its worth as clearly you're very aware of what you're doing.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 26 2016 10:21 GMT
#730
On June 26 2016 19:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2016 19:09 Tictock wrote:
On June 26 2016 19:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 26 2016 18:54 Tictock wrote:
On June 26 2016 18:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I also have a natural bias against OMGUSing because I know people tend to view scumreading someone that suspects you as such so I tend to focus on other people. It's kinda funny/stupid but it's true.


So then maybe you should explain your read on me a little better.

You've been a complete non-factor throughout the game, mostly just echoing sentiments of others. Your focus point has been on things other than reads in the early game when you did have time, such as plans on mayor/pardoner. You also seem very stuck in your reads, no fluidity at all and call me out for changing my reads as if it were a scum factor, and don't really seem to be attempting to unearth people's alignments.


Do you think this is a scum trait in general or specific to me?

Calling me a non-factor is just hurtful + Show Spoiler +
and not particularly accurate imo


I am kinda holding back on my reads some, I can agree that can be kinda scummy. Prob just gunna have to deal with it though.

I think it is true in general. I also think it's true for you in the sense that you're a lot more interesting when you're town than what's currently going on.


Yea see this just shows you have no real understanding of my meta...

And you're wrong, I'm pretty darned interesting.

I know... my mom told me.
I can take that responsibility.
Jean Valjean
Profile Joined April 2015
France216 Posts
June 26 2016 10:23 GMT
#731
On June 26 2016 19:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2016 19:15 Jean Valjean wrote:
On June 26 2016 19:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I've never seen you truly try as mafia, Slam. I've seen you truly try as town and you've had incredible games there. I don't see why not hard townreading you would be proving I'm scum, that's a very loaded statement.

You don't know whether or not my alternate identity is Slam. Applying some meta that might be completely wrong is dumb.

The sentence is loaded because it should be. The way I've approached pressuring you is not something many players on this site are capable of doing as mafia. To think I'm mafia, one or two things kinda have to be true.

1) you must think I am excellent at playing scum
2) you must not have noticed the kind of pressure being put on you is not something normal or off-hand

The simple conclusion to my alignment, assuming I'm not some scum-god, is that I must be town because there's almost no one capable of doing what I have been doing as mafia.

So yes, the statement is loaded, because it is intended to be.

It's not that hard to kick a puppy that's already being kicked by a few others. Plus, knowing I'm town means I know you're tunneling on town, which has plenty of mafia reasoning behind it. The fact that you're trying so hard to use it as leverage to get townread also diminishes its worth as clearly you're very aware of what you're doing.

I am perfectly aware of what I am doing Artanis, I am very smart.

I am also perceptive enough to undestand why what you're doing right now is not logical. For example, when Skynx pushed you with weaker and less coherent reasons, and put less force behind the push than I am doing now, you simply wrote him off as town for the very fact that he wrote a case on you.

For some reason I'm not getting the same treatment. If anything, my points are better thought out and more valid than Skynx', so why am I not getting the same treatment?

Objectively, I have, in this conversation and the previous one, put you on the defense. How many scum players on TL can put you on defense when you're town? I understand other players do not have to townread me, they're not you. But you, specifically, should really be changing your mind about my alignment right now.
In His name my task has just begun, I will see it done!
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
June 26 2016 10:24 GMT
#732
On June 26 2016 19:21 Tictock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2016 19:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 26 2016 19:09 Tictock wrote:
On June 26 2016 19:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 26 2016 18:54 Tictock wrote:
On June 26 2016 18:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I also have a natural bias against OMGUSing because I know people tend to view scumreading someone that suspects you as such so I tend to focus on other people. It's kinda funny/stupid but it's true.


So then maybe you should explain your read on me a little better.

You've been a complete non-factor throughout the game, mostly just echoing sentiments of others. Your focus point has been on things other than reads in the early game when you did have time, such as plans on mayor/pardoner. You also seem very stuck in your reads, no fluidity at all and call me out for changing my reads as if it were a scum factor, and don't really seem to be attempting to unearth people's alignments.


Do you think this is a scum trait in general or specific to me?

Calling me a non-factor is just hurtful + Show Spoiler +
and not particularly accurate imo


I am kinda holding back on my reads some, I can agree that can be kinda scummy. Prob just gunna have to deal with it though.

I think it is true in general. I also think it's true for you in the sense that you're a lot more interesting when you're town than what's currently going on.


Yea see this just shows you have no real understanding of my meta...

And you're wrong, I'm pretty darned interesting.

I know... my mom told me.

I remember that in Outlaw you were pretty interesting. In PYP, you were also interesting. I don't think you've rolled scum recently (database is outdated and your last game there is nutcracker) so I don't really have much to compare with on the other side, but this doesn't look like your town game to me.

I agree, you're usually interesting. Therefore it is very disappointing that this game you're not
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
June 26 2016 10:26 GMT
#733
On June 26 2016 19:23 Jean Valjean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2016 19:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 26 2016 19:15 Jean Valjean wrote:
On June 26 2016 19:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I've never seen you truly try as mafia, Slam. I've seen you truly try as town and you've had incredible games there. I don't see why not hard townreading you would be proving I'm scum, that's a very loaded statement.

You don't know whether or not my alternate identity is Slam. Applying some meta that might be completely wrong is dumb.

The sentence is loaded because it should be. The way I've approached pressuring you is not something many players on this site are capable of doing as mafia. To think I'm mafia, one or two things kinda have to be true.

1) you must think I am excellent at playing scum
2) you must not have noticed the kind of pressure being put on you is not something normal or off-hand

The simple conclusion to my alignment, assuming I'm not some scum-god, is that I must be town because there's almost no one capable of doing what I have been doing as mafia.

So yes, the statement is loaded, because it is intended to be.

It's not that hard to kick a puppy that's already being kicked by a few others. Plus, knowing I'm town means I know you're tunneling on town, which has plenty of mafia reasoning behind it. The fact that you're trying so hard to use it as leverage to get townread also diminishes its worth as clearly you're very aware of what you're doing.

I am perfectly aware of what I am doing Artanis, I am very smart.

I am also perceptive enough to undestand why what you're doing right now is not logical. For example, when Skynx pushed you with weaker and less coherent reasons, and put less force behind the push than I am doing now, you simply wrote him off as town for the very fact that he wrote a case on you.

For some reason I'm not getting the same treatment. If anything, my points are better thought out and more valid than Skynx', so why am I not getting the same treatment?

Objectively, I have, in this conversation and the previous one, put you on the defense. How many scum players on TL can put you on defense when you're town? I understand other players do not have to townread me, they're not you. But you, specifically, should really be changing your mind about my alignment right now.

Because Skynx is a newbie and you're, as you put it, very smart, and probably have a lot of experience in playing mafia. I use different bars for different players.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
June 26 2016 10:28 GMT
#734
For further ego stroking I request you ask someone else though. That felt very icky.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 26 2016 10:30 GMT
#735
On June 26 2016 19:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2016 19:21 Tictock wrote:
On June 26 2016 19:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 26 2016 19:09 Tictock wrote:
On June 26 2016 19:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 26 2016 18:54 Tictock wrote:
On June 26 2016 18:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I also have a natural bias against OMGUSing because I know people tend to view scumreading someone that suspects you as such so I tend to focus on other people. It's kinda funny/stupid but it's true.


So then maybe you should explain your read on me a little better.

You've been a complete non-factor throughout the game, mostly just echoing sentiments of others. Your focus point has been on things other than reads in the early game when you did have time, such as plans on mayor/pardoner. You also seem very stuck in your reads, no fluidity at all and call me out for changing my reads as if it were a scum factor, and don't really seem to be attempting to unearth people's alignments.


Do you think this is a scum trait in general or specific to me?

Calling me a non-factor is just hurtful + Show Spoiler +
and not particularly accurate imo


I am kinda holding back on my reads some, I can agree that can be kinda scummy. Prob just gunna have to deal with it though.

I think it is true in general. I also think it's true for you in the sense that you're a lot more interesting when you're town than what's currently going on.


Yea see this just shows you have no real understanding of my meta...

And you're wrong, I'm pretty darned interesting.

I know... my mom told me.

I remember that in Outlaw you were pretty interesting. In PYP, you were also interesting. I don't think you've rolled scum recently (database is outdated and your last game there is nutcracker) so I don't really have much to compare with on the other side, but this doesn't look like your town game to me.

I agree, you're usually interesting. Therefore it is very disappointing that this game you're not


Lol I think those my worst and best town games you just referenced. Was my D1 play in those so different from this game?
I can take that responsibility.
Jean Valjean
Profile Joined April 2015
France216 Posts
June 26 2016 10:37 GMT
#736
I am announcing a late candidacy to become Monsieur le maire.


[image loading]

I know I have not had the time to contribute as much as I'd like over this cycle, but that will change during the next one. More importantly, what I contribute tends to be very clear, focused, and easy to read. I do not engage in frivolous exchanges about irrelevant points, making my filter very clear to read. I bring experience, leadership and directness to the office. My platform consists of three general ideas.

Accountability: I do not intend to let anyone get away with half-assed or unexplained reads. When someone makes a statement without explaining it or backing it up in any way, I will be there to push him on it. I will make sure people don't get to slide away with inane statements, forcing them to actually explain what they mean.

Transparency: I write precise, constructed posts that are a pleasure to read, my words are stimulating and entertaining, wise and thoughtful, concise and powerful. I post sparingly making my own filter much easier to read for you the citizens. You will always have all the information needed to make a judgement on my alignment.

Organization: I am, by nature, a planner. I am willing to help set up ideas in a way that makes town more likely to be successful. I will help identify targets, create factions and force people to take stances. I will help eliminate options that seem unlikely and thus help create a more constructed game, something TL Mafia desperately needs.

Lastly, I want to point out that should I fail to win the election, and instead be relegated to the role of Pardoner, I will never use that role. If I am unable to convince town that a lynch is bad using my personal charm and charisma, I will not resort to using a role. If I am Pardoner, I should be automatically killed for ever using that role.

In conclusion, I think I am qualified to take on the role of mayor. I think it's also fitting thematically with my name, so that's a bonus. I will continue to help town move forward in a way that will benefit the public, the citizens, and not the mafia.

I will fight for you!

In His name my task has just begun, I will see it done!
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
June 26 2016 10:39 GMT
#737
I'm gunna do some other stuff now.

We should start figuring out our votes for President (Mayor) and Pardoner. Kus right now the votes look like shit.

Potential mayor candidates should both explain who they want to lynch and why, but maybe we should do an unofficial lynch vote and agree that the mayor should lynch that person?
I can take that responsibility.
Jean Valjean
Profile Joined April 2015
France216 Posts
June 26 2016 10:41 GMT
#738
On June 26 2016 19:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2016 19:23 Jean Valjean wrote:
On June 26 2016 19:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 26 2016 19:15 Jean Valjean wrote:
On June 26 2016 19:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I've never seen you truly try as mafia, Slam. I've seen you truly try as town and you've had incredible games there. I don't see why not hard townreading you would be proving I'm scum, that's a very loaded statement.

You don't know whether or not my alternate identity is Slam. Applying some meta that might be completely wrong is dumb.

The sentence is loaded because it should be. The way I've approached pressuring you is not something many players on this site are capable of doing as mafia. To think I'm mafia, one or two things kinda have to be true.

1) you must think I am excellent at playing scum
2) you must not have noticed the kind of pressure being put on you is not something normal or off-hand

The simple conclusion to my alignment, assuming I'm not some scum-god, is that I must be town because there's almost no one capable of doing what I have been doing as mafia.

So yes, the statement is loaded, because it is intended to be.

It's not that hard to kick a puppy that's already being kicked by a few others. Plus, knowing I'm town means I know you're tunneling on town, which has plenty of mafia reasoning behind it. The fact that you're trying so hard to use it as leverage to get townread also diminishes its worth as clearly you're very aware of what you're doing.

I am perfectly aware of what I am doing Artanis, I am very smart.

I am also perceptive enough to undestand why what you're doing right now is not logical. For example, when Skynx pushed you with weaker and less coherent reasons, and put less force behind the push than I am doing now, you simply wrote him off as town for the very fact that he wrote a case on you.

For some reason I'm not getting the same treatment. If anything, my points are better thought out and more valid than Skynx', so why am I not getting the same treatment?

Objectively, I have, in this conversation and the previous one, put you on the defense. How many scum players on TL can put you on defense when you're town? I understand other players do not have to townread me, they're not you. But you, specifically, should really be changing your mind about my alignment right now.

Because Skynx is a newbie and you're, as you put it, very smart, and probably have a lot of experience in playing mafia. I use different bars for different players.


I do like that I managed to put you in a corner where your options were

a) call me awesome
b) call yourself mafia

Anyway, I think I'll leave you for now, but that doesn't mean you're out of danger. You are currently the lynch target for my mayoral campaign, and will remain so. There's two reasons I'm not going to bother with you for a while, the first one is that I need to read up on other players to better flesh out my platform and vision for this game, and secondly it's just mean to run up the score when you're so thoroughly trouncing your opponent.
In His name my task has just begun, I will see it done!
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
June 26 2016 10:42 GMT
#739
TT/Jean/Art, do any of you feel different about each other?

TT/Jean, how do you feel about the other?
Minimal effort.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
June 26 2016 10:45 GMT
#740
On June 26 2016 19:41 Jean Valjean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2016 19:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 26 2016 19:23 Jean Valjean wrote:
On June 26 2016 19:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On June 26 2016 19:15 Jean Valjean wrote:
On June 26 2016 19:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I've never seen you truly try as mafia, Slam. I've seen you truly try as town and you've had incredible games there. I don't see why not hard townreading you would be proving I'm scum, that's a very loaded statement.

You don't know whether or not my alternate identity is Slam. Applying some meta that might be completely wrong is dumb.

The sentence is loaded because it should be. The way I've approached pressuring you is not something many players on this site are capable of doing as mafia. To think I'm mafia, one or two things kinda have to be true.

1) you must think I am excellent at playing scum
2) you must not have noticed the kind of pressure being put on you is not something normal or off-hand

The simple conclusion to my alignment, assuming I'm not some scum-god, is that I must be town because there's almost no one capable of doing what I have been doing as mafia.

So yes, the statement is loaded, because it is intended to be.

It's not that hard to kick a puppy that's already being kicked by a few others. Plus, knowing I'm town means I know you're tunneling on town, which has plenty of mafia reasoning behind it. The fact that you're trying so hard to use it as leverage to get townread also diminishes its worth as clearly you're very aware of what you're doing.

I am perfectly aware of what I am doing Artanis, I am very smart.

I am also perceptive enough to undestand why what you're doing right now is not logical. For example, when Skynx pushed you with weaker and less coherent reasons, and put less force behind the push than I am doing now, you simply wrote him off as town for the very fact that he wrote a case on you.

For some reason I'm not getting the same treatment. If anything, my points are better thought out and more valid than Skynx', so why am I not getting the same treatment?

Objectively, I have, in this conversation and the previous one, put you on the defense. How many scum players on TL can put you on defense when you're town? I understand other players do not have to townread me, they're not you. But you, specifically, should really be changing your mind about my alignment right now.

Because Skynx is a newbie and you're, as you put it, very smart, and probably have a lot of experience in playing mafia. I use different bars for different players.


I do like that I managed to put you in a corner where your options were

a) call me awesome
b) call yourself mafia

Anyway, I think I'll leave you for now, but that doesn't mean you're out of danger. You are currently the lynch target for my mayoral campaign, and will remain so. There's two reasons I'm not going to bother with you for a while, the first one is that I need to read up on other players to better flesh out my platform and vision for this game, and secondly it's just mean to run up the score when you're so thoroughly trouncing your opponent.

I will probably spite lynch you if you keep this up btw. Your ego's choking out the game.
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