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On June 26 2016 18:40 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 18:26 Superbia wrote:On June 26 2016 18:24 Jean Valjean wrote:
I want to chat Superbia.
I strongly disagree with you on Artanis. Why do you think he's town? You're slam? Artanis has displayed multiple times throughout this game that he is actively looking at filters from other games to figure out alignments. Showcasing that he wants to, and is, putting actual time into evaluating people's alignments. Also he (probably correctly) re-evaluated on QT, which seemed genuine. Yea I kinda disagree with both these reasons to TR art. Looking into meta is something scum can do to create a read, and I felt like his flip on QT was more so giving up than a re-evaluation. Though I suppose he gave decent reasoning after his flip as to why QT is probably town.
You're either really tunneled or really mafia. You ask Super for why he townreads me, then your rebuttal when he brings up points is "well, but people can do this as mafia." No shit, anyone can do anything as mafia.
If you're town and actually want to figure out my alignment or reconsider your read, put in some effort.
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On June 26 2016 18:27 Superbia wrote:
Also why do you think artanis is mafia?
Because I have trouble believing that Artanis' approach to just about anything this game is even half genuine.
In the initial stages he was joking around, but uncharacteristically he wasn't really funny at all. He is a funny guy so it is actually suspicious when he tries to be funny but is only marginally funny. This might mean that he was making jokes not because he felt like making jokes, but rather because he thought it would be a good idea to make jokes for other reasons.
Secondly I liked Skynx's case on Artanis, and I did not like Artanis' response to it. Skynx doesn't prove Artanis is mafia with that case, but he does bring up some justifiable points about Artanis' approach to the game. Most notably the stiffness in his transition from joking to what was a fairly weak attack on QT.
Artanis responded by dismissing the case and throwing a townread Skynx's way, I do not disagree with the sentiment that Skynx looks a lot better for casing Artanis, but the dismissal of the case was done in a way I don't believe a veteran player would dismiss a case. Artanis should have explained why the things he did don't make him mafia, instead of just semi-ridiculing the case. Ridiculing accusations is a sign of weakness.
Thirdly, he called me out for doing little. As I have already explained, I had no real problem with him throwing a scumread my way, but he did it for the wrong reason. Then afterwards he claimed he had done it to "rile me up" while then also claiming his initial reason was valid. I don't believe Artanis genuinely thinks that he was riling me up. When he made an off-hand comment on me and threw me on a list he was barely targeting me at all and had no idea I would actually respond to him, given my lack of contributions at that point in the game. I think it's much more likely he saw an easy opportunity to sort of call someone out that would possibly not bother to really respond to him, giving him an easy and uncontroversial scumlean.
Lastly, Artanis has thrown around townreads with way too much confidence this game. Chezinu, Damdred, Skynx, QT all got pretty hard townreads from him for relatively flimsy reasons. I just have a hard time believing he is actually working through the scenarios to reach a conclusion, feels like he is just throwing something out there and running with it.
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GB for pres TT for pardonner plz.
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On June 26 2016 18:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 18:36 Tictock wrote:On June 26 2016 17:58 Superbia wrote:On June 26 2016 11:47 Tictock wrote:On June 26 2016 07:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Absolutely 100% confirmed town
Chezinu
Town
Damdred
Skynx
Tumblewood
Quicktwist
Townish
Subparbia
-power gap-
Emperorarechampion
Null
GlowingBear
Jealous
MoosyDoosy
Mildly leaning mafia
Jean Valjean
Lean mafia
Ticktock Lol, total 180 on QT. Now I'm your main scumread kus I called you and Damdred boring. Good shit. TT. srsly. Did you not read the thread at all? x: I barely skimmed before and I knew art 180d on QT like 20hrs before he made that list. Are you not paying any attention to your scumreads? Yea I saw him drop his scumread, but putting QT in his top 4 town now? That's a pretty big swing in thinking. Also think his read on me is mostly OMGUS and he's throwing out weak meta to try and cover it. Yeah no. If anything, I tend to reverse OMGUS more than anything since I figure mafia is unlikely to go after me as I'm difficult to lynch. This game however, too many people have so I've softened that up a little. I think there's a good chance you're mafia and waivering it away as an OMGUS read doesn't really negate that in the slightest.
Well I'm gunna take your word about your mafia play with a grain of salt, I think I've only played a game or two with you as town.
Eh I call it as I see it, you dropped your read on QT then quoted a post of mine saying you didn't like it. Then you brought up some weak meta about my town game being "interesting" and bam I'm your top scum read (though you seemed more interested questioning Jean).
Looks like you're early read got squashed by thread sentiment so you went looking for new people to push.
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QT is pretty town but he wouldn't make a good pres for reasons Tumble stated earlier on.
Anyway i also agree with both roles take pri
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Fking hell im switching to computer...
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On June 26 2016 18:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I also have a natural bias against OMGUSing because I know people tend to view scumreading someone that suspects you as such so I tend to focus on other people. It's kinda funny/stupid but it's true.
So then maybe you should explain your read on me a little better.
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On June 26 2016 18:48 Jean Valjean wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 18:27 Superbia wrote:
Also why do you think artanis is mafia? Because I have trouble believing that Artanis' approach to just about anything this game is even half genuine. In the initial stages he was joking around, but uncharacteristically he wasn't really funny at all. He is a funny guy so it is actually suspicious when he tries to be funny but is only marginally funny. This might mean that he was making jokes not because he felt like making jokes, but rather because he thought it would be a good idea to make jokes for other reasons.
Weak, but I can see it.
Secondly I liked Skynx's case on Artanis, and I did not like Artanis' response to it. Skynx doesn't prove Artanis is mafia with that case, but he does bring up some justifiable points about Artanis' approach to the game. Most notably the stiffness in his transition from joking to what was a fairly weak attack on QT.
I was the first person to actually get the game rolling. I also felt like I saw something and switched gears because of it. I tend to do that in all my games as either alignment.
Artanis responded by dismissing the case and throwing a townread Skynx's way, I do not disagree with the sentiment that Skynx looks a lot better for casing Artanis, but the dismissal of the case was done in a way I don't believe a veteran player would dismiss a case. Artanis should have explained why the things he did don't make him mafia, instead of just semi-ridiculing the case. Ridiculing accusations is a sign of weakness.
The problem with his case is that it was simply an interpretation of events that could be viewed in multiple ways. I showed him another way and he said I was twisting the case, which I really wasn't since it came down to narrative.
Thirdly, he called me out for doing little. As I have already explained, I had no real problem with him throwing a scumread my way, but he did it for the wrong reason. Then afterwards he claimed he had done it to "rile me up" while then also claiming his initial reason was valid. I don't believe Artanis genuinely thinks that he was riling me up. When he made an off-hand comment on me and threw me on a list he was barely targeting me at all and had no idea I would actually respond to him, given my lack of contributions at that point in the game. I think it's much more likely he saw an easy opportunity to sort of call someone out that would possibly not bother to really respond to him, giving him an easy and uncontroversial scumlean.
This is all interpretation. I'm playing freely, doing as I please and I usually have fun when I'm playing town. You called out someone which I felt was unjustly so I played the ball back at you. That was the main reason I did it; the very light scumread was because of the reason I stated: commenting on things without having read all of it, and I had already indicated it was very weak.
Lastly, Artanis has thrown around townreads with way too much confidence this game. Chezinu, Damdred, Skynx, QT all got pretty hard townreads from him for relatively flimsy reasons. I just have a hard time believing he is actually working through the scenarios to reach a conclusion, feels like he is just throwing something out there and running with it.
I explained the Chez read pregame.
I've hard townread Damdred since the beginning because he feels like he's playing freely. He gave me a townread and when asked he instantly said it was basically so we wouldn't fight or something to that accord. I just don't think he instantly says something like that as mafia. It indicates he isn't bothered by how people see him.
Skynx and QT are newbies and the paranoia and genuineness I see in them I think would be extremely hard to fake for newbies. I'm very confident in both those reads for good reasons.
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On June 26 2016 18:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 18:40 Tictock wrote:On June 26 2016 18:26 Superbia wrote:On June 26 2016 18:24 Jean Valjean wrote:
I want to chat Superbia.
I strongly disagree with you on Artanis. Why do you think he's town? You're slam? Artanis has displayed multiple times throughout this game that he is actively looking at filters from other games to figure out alignments. Showcasing that he wants to, and is, putting actual time into evaluating people's alignments. Also he (probably correctly) re-evaluated on QT, which seemed genuine. Yea I kinda disagree with both these reasons to TR art. Looking into meta is something scum can do to create a read, and I felt like his flip on QT was more so giving up than a re-evaluation. Though I suppose he gave decent reasoning after his flip as to why QT is probably town. You're either really tunneled or really mafia. You ask Super for why he townreads me, then your rebuttal when he brings up points is "well, but people can do this as mafia." No shit, anyone can do anything as mafia. If you're town and actually want to figure out my alignment or reconsider your read, put in some effort.
I didn't ask him, just responded to his reasons kus I didn't think they are great reasons to TR you.
You are right that this interaction is kinda pointless atm though kus we are just beating each other in the head.
How about this, who do you think should be Mayor?
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On June 26 2016 18:52 Skynx wrote:
QT is pretty town but he wouldn't make a good pres for reasons Tumble stated earlier on.
Anyway i also agree with both roles take pri
both roles take priority for having given to 100% townies before experienced players. That being said, both persons should be confident of their votes and not easily being swayed by other opinions (See Jealous last days of Newbie mafia).
GB and TT give me that feeling most with Tumble being next on the list, you can also vote for me btw. Super is null for me so far and he's swingy in votes anyway and shouldn't be given the role.
Rest should not even be discussed.
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On June 26 2016 18:54 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 18:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I also have a natural bias against OMGUSing because I know people tend to view scumreading someone that suspects you as such so I tend to focus on other people. It's kinda funny/stupid but it's true. So then maybe you should explain your read on me a little better.
You've been a complete non-factor throughout the game, mostly just echoing sentiments of others. Your focus point has been on things other than reads in the early game when you did have time, such as plans on mayor/pardoner. You also seem very stuck in your reads, no fluidity at all and call me out for changing my reads as if it were a scum factor, and don't really seem to be attempting to unearth people's alignments.
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On June 26 2016 18:49 Skynx wrote:
GB for pres TT for pardonner plz.
Why GB?
Would you consider Tumble for pres?
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On June 26 2016 18:59 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 18:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 26 2016 18:40 Tictock wrote:On June 26 2016 18:26 Superbia wrote:On June 26 2016 18:24 Jean Valjean wrote:
I want to chat Superbia.
I strongly disagree with you on Artanis. Why do you think he's town? You're slam? Artanis has displayed multiple times throughout this game that he is actively looking at filters from other games to figure out alignments. Showcasing that he wants to, and is, putting actual time into evaluating people's alignments. Also he (probably correctly) re-evaluated on QT, which seemed genuine. Yea I kinda disagree with both these reasons to TR art. Looking into meta is something scum can do to create a read, and I felt like his flip on QT was more so giving up than a re-evaluation. Though I suppose he gave decent reasoning after his flip as to why QT is probably town. You're either really tunneled or really mafia. You ask Super for why he townreads me, then your rebuttal when he brings up points is "well, but people can do this as mafia." No shit, anyone can do anything as mafia. If you're town and actually want to figure out my alignment or reconsider your read, put in some effort. I didn't ask him, just responded to his reasons kus I didn't think they are great reasons to TR you. You are right that this interaction is kinda pointless atm though kus we are just beating each other in the head. How about this, who do you think should be Mayor?
Me, obviously.
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Another problem with the townreads is that you're coming dangerously close to solving the game from your own perspective Artanis. You've hard townread 5 people. In addition in your world clearly you aren't mafia, and if you don't townread me by now you're essentially just proving you're scum. So that's 7 people that can't be mafia. You seemed to be fairly certain superbia isn't scum so that's 8.
This leaves your entire pool of mafia as GB, TT, Emperor, Jealous and moosy. Mostly inactive and background players + your favorite tunnel. Moosy is deliberately playing scummy so there's that. Like there is no way I believe you'd so strongly narrow the pool for scum to something so small.
I just don't know. I cannot believe this is actually how you think because it's awful.
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I'm thinking GB is more confirmed town than Tumble atm.
Chez would prolly make a worse pres than our PM.
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On June 26 2016 19:04 Jean Valjean wrote:
Another problem with the townreads is that you're coming dangerously close to solving the game from your own perspective Artanis. You've hard townread 5 people. In addition in your world clearly you aren't mafia, and if you don't townread me by now you're essentially just proving you're scum. So that's 7 people that can't be mafia. You seemed to be fairly certain superbia isn't scum so that's 8.
This leaves your entire pool of mafia as GB, TT, Emperor, Jealous and moosy. Mostly inactive and background players + your favorite tunnel. Moosy is deliberately playing scummy so there's that. Like there is no way I believe you'd so strongly narrow the pool for scum to something so small.
I just don't know. I cannot believe this is actually how you think because it's awful.
Neither of these are true.
Also, even hard townreads can drop off. It's just unlikely.
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On June 26 2016 19:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2016 19:04 Jean Valjean wrote:
Another problem with the townreads is that you're coming dangerously close to solving the game from your own perspective Artanis. You've hard townread 5 people. In addition in your world clearly you aren't mafia, and if you don't townread me by now you're essentially just proving you're scum. So that's 7 people that can't be mafia. You seemed to be fairly certain superbia isn't scum so that's 8.
This leaves your entire pool of mafia as GB, TT, Emperor, Jealous and moosy. Mostly inactive and background players + your favorite tunnel. Moosy is deliberately playing scummy so there's that. Like there is no way I believe you'd so strongly narrow the pool for scum to something so small.
I just don't know. I cannot believe this is actually how you think because it's awful.
Neither of these are true. Also, even hard townreads can drop off. It's just unlikely.
Wait, you still think there's a chance I'm mafia?
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I've never seen you truly try as mafia, Slam. I've seen you truly try as town and you've had incredible games there. I don't see why not hard townreading you would be proving I'm scum, that's a very loaded statement.
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