On June 07 2016 06:55 wherebugsgo wrote: yeah we should kill Palmar
Please explain we should lynch him right now?
Have you played with Palmar before? Remember that time I tunneled you to death and then that other time I defended you? You should drink some of the mojo and see what your inner eye sees afterward.
Can someone link me to some "canonical" games of our log-shaped friend? Preferably as both alignments, but don't tell me which. I'd do it myself but it's annoying to search on mobile.
On June 07 2016 07:49 LightningStrike wrote: Phone posting atm: I think KSC is town atm he been trying to get a better understanding of Shapelog's posts.
Do you think I achieved a better understanding?
what's your read of shapelog so far?
Yes. Town lean atm his posting seems okay but I also being cautious about him due to him fooling twice in recent games.
Third times the charm baby. Also, you were so dangerous for my plans, That I granted you not only your first Nk, but your second.
On June 07 2016 08:00 wherebugsgo wrote: Can someone link me to some "canonical" games of our log-shaped friend? Preferably as both alignments, but don't tell me which. I'd do it myself but it's annoying to search on mobile.
I would if I knew wtf Canonical means.
Like how does the "prescribed official dress of the clergy" or "according to or ordered by canon law." retain to mafia?
Did you know that if you rearrange the letters in "ShapeLog" you can get "Shag Pole"? Or, alternatively, "Gasp Hole".
So anyway, my woody friend, please tell me what you think about Palmar.
On June 07 2016 12:46 Kwahamot wrote: Hey guys, this is an introduction. Excited to play with you all!
Anyways Day 1 is really annoying cause I don't have the experience to have reads on all you guys from fluffy posts but I'm leaning town on Shapelog and sicklucker.
Shapelog because he dictated the pace of the game so far. And for sicklucker, I can understand his thought process in calling out Shapelog but so far it's hard to make a good case but it's only been 6 hours.
On June 07 2016 12:46 Kwahamot wrote: Hey guys, this is an introduction. Excited to play with you all!
On June 07 2016 12:46 Kwahamot wrote: Hey guys, this is an introduction.
On June 08 2016 07:21 Koshi wrote: Also the guy who said "everybody who posted so far is town"' got a serious scumpoint for making that comment.
Everything that was said was pretty shit till up to that point. Giving everybody townreads for that is just more likely mafia not being able to think of something, than a townie actually being happy with how the thread was going.
you know, I actually thought I had a pretty good read on you until this post. The observation is fine, and it's actually a pretty townie thing to say, but the manner has me confused.
What bothers me about this post is that the callout isn't direct. I would expect that if you're town you'd just call me out directly and even vote me if that's what you actually think, but in this case it was completely indirect, something I think mafia would be more likely to do because they don't take the attention of making such a strong statement. I like Kelsier's later clarification that the person who said this was me, because that was more direct, but he doesn't get as much credit for it because he wasn't actually the first to point it out.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here, everyone is saying Palmar is a lazy asshole now but I read over Palmar's most recently listed games in the mafia DB and what I saw there is exactly what I expected to see here. More effort, to the level of bursty posts where he comes in and posts a bunch and then leaves, but whenever he comes back he posts a lot. And in general as town he appears to read everything and will respond when called out.
Are there games more recent than December 2015 that Palmar has played that are not in the database? LS can you give me the link to this one:
I had the same issue with him last game with me and yet he was town. I doubt he can change it over just 1 game.
actually on second thought, maybe I am crazy and looking too deeply into it. I suppose it is possible that Palmar has only entered the thread once, but I find it kinda weird because we've gone through two entire days where he should have been here and posting but he hasn't been.
On June 08 2016 12:30 wherebugsgo wrote: I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here, everyone is saying Palmar is a lazy asshole now but I read over Palmar's most recently listed games in the mafia DB and what I saw there is exactly what I expected to see here. More effort, to the level of bursty posts where he comes in and posts a bunch and then leaves, but whenever he comes back he posts a lot. And in general as town he appears to read everything and will respond when called out.
Are there games more recent than December 2015 that Palmar has played that are not in the database? LS can you give me the link to this one:
I had the same issue with him last game with me and yet he was town. I doubt he can change it over just 1 game.
and any others you think I might find useful?
i Mean hes starting to not look great. but palmar fucks off for multiple days at a time. Hes never a day 1 lynch anyway. If hes still doing nothing we can talk about a day 2 lynch then
I agree with you, which is why I was hoping he would at least respond. A useful Palmar is a Palmar to keep alive, but a useless Palmar deserves death. Day 1 death perhaps not, but death nonetheless...it's ironically harder to kill him when you're more sure he's scum because he's a fairly strong player in keeping himself alive when he wants to play-when you're more sure he's scum there are less people around to help you.
Anyway...
1. Who do you think is scum right now? 2. What are your thoughts on Log?
On June 08 2016 12:57 sicklucker wrote: no like seriously I need to read you. give me some reads
you don't need reads to be able to read LS's alignment, fyi.
I'm fairly certain you have nothing to worry about with him this game. As scum LS is incredibly timid, so far this game he just does not appear to be acting that way.
On June 07 2016 12:46 Kwahamot wrote: Hey guys, this is an introduction. Excited to play with you all!
Anyways Day 1 is really annoying cause I don't have the experience to have reads on all you guys from fluffy posts but I'm leaning town on Shapelog and sicklucker.
Shapelog because he dictated the pace of the game so far. And for sicklucker, I can understand his thought process in calling out Shapelog but so far it's hard to make a good case but it's only been 6 hours.
What Introduction? Or is the introduction "Excited to play with you all!"?
anyways,
First off, how much mafia experience do you have? I just want to know. As of making reads (and catching scum) look at the numerous guides in the forum. They give a nice outline on what to do, even if they are a bit out of date.
So moving onto my second question, is anyone standing out to you for any reason at all?
it's hard to make a good case but it's only been 6 hours
Funny enough, this is exactly (or close too) what SL said.
##Vote Kwahamot Prepared first post shows a difficulty to enter the thread. The "newbie" excuse is typical of newbie scum. Random reads are random and are looking like he wanted to fill up his post with "serious" stuff.
like pretty much the 101 of getting the new/lynchbait player out. I called holyflare out for it last game and was right. sometimes level one thinking is best
On June 08 2016 06:59 Rels wrote: I could lynch Damdred. I can understand the idea that kush's replacement is 100% null. But Koshi I don't understand why you're so sure he faked it.
Talk to me about Damdred, why would you lynch him?
Because his joky town about LS is very similar to what he did last game, and scum usually imitates their last town game to appear townie, especially early game; while a townie just doesn't care about stuff like that and does his thing. Plus what Koshi said, the Shape townread in particular is weird and seems to be there only because Shape was super active early.
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On June 08 2016 13:14 sicklucker wrote: if thats about dandred I kind of read him as calling ls scum to get a reaction. but he quickly turned it around and said ls is 100% town. which is a very townie thing to do if you have a perfect read on a person and want to bait scum into scum reading him
right so you said Shape is 45% mafia to you, what % would you put on Rels?
On June 08 2016 07:21 Koshi wrote: Also the guy who said "everybody who posted so far is town"' got a serious scumpoint for making that comment.
Everything that was said was pretty shit till up to that point. Giving everybody townreads for that is just more likely mafia not being able to think of something, than a townie actually being happy with how the thread was going.
you know, I actually thought I had a pretty good read on you until this post. The observation is fine, and it's actually a pretty townie thing to say, but the manner has me confused.
What bothers me about this post is that the callout isn't direct. I would expect that if you're town you'd just call me out directly and even vote me if that's what you actually think, but in this case it was completely indirect, something I think mafia would be more likely to do because they don't take the attention of making such a strong statement. I like Kelsier's later clarification that the person who said this was me, because that was more direct, but he doesn't get as much credit for it because he wasn't actually the first to point it out.
this is never a scum tactic this is an "I finished reading and there's this thing I remember from four pages ago but I don't remember who did it" tactic
what are you on about, I use it as scum all the time. That's precisely why I was confused. Scum thrive on pushing lynches without actually pushing them.
with that said, I read Koshi's past few games and he's legitimately really bad as both alignments, so I was reading too far into it and I'm no longer confused.
On June 08 2016 13:45 Tumblewood wrote: wbg, without saying the word "palmar", what are your reads
different, and better, than yours. yours are hot garbage.
For example, putting me and shape as scum together. And Palmar as "sorta town" instead of "done nothing of note" (along with putting Chezinu there; if you actually read his posts he wouldn't belong there).
On June 07 2016 12:46 Kwahamot wrote: Hey guys, this is an introduction. Excited to play with you all!
Anyways Day 1 is really annoying cause I don't have the experience to have reads on all you guys from fluffy posts but I'm leaning town on Shapelog and sicklucker.
Shapelog because he dictated the pace of the game so far. And for sicklucker, I can understand his thought process in calling out Shapelog but so far it's hard to make a good case but it's only been 6 hours.
What Introduction? Or is the introduction "Excited to play with you all!"?
anyways,
First off, how much mafia experience do you have? I just want to know. As of making reads (and catching scum) look at the numerous guides in the forum. They give a nice outline on what to do, even if they are a bit out of date.
So moving onto my second question, is anyone standing out to you for any reason at all?
it's hard to make a good case but it's only been 6 hours
Funny enough, this is exactly (or close too) what SL said.
##Vote Kwahamot Prepared first post shows a difficulty to enter the thread. The "newbie" excuse is typical of newbie scum. Random reads are random and are looking like he wanted to fill up his post with "serious" stuff.
Well how should I put this.. This is a response post! Responding to both Shapelog's original response and Rels' claim.
I just wanted to bless the thread with some dry humor. The introduction is the introduction. I made that post and prepared it and I'm making this post right now because I've had a busy start to the game and I wanted to get my thoughts down in one go but I'll address my small portions of inactivity next time.
I've briefly skimmed the analysis pinned to be able to make a few day 1 calls. The "excuse" was to put things into perspective perhaps some of you guys expect me to immediately fit like a puzzle into this game. I don't think my reads were all that random by the way and I don't think I'd be helping if I talked about the weather as opposed to my "serious" stuff. At least we're talking about me now right? I think the facilitation of discussion makes your case of being town much stronger actually.
On June 07 2016 06:19 Rels wrote: Yo I drink so I'm drunk
That's nice,
Why don't we talk so I can gather a read on you, and you can stop me spamming?
Is it a serious offer ?
Yes. I'm serious. I find your lack of faith most disturbing.
Then yes please
Anything stick out to you? I know it's super early, but wonder if you spot anything.
Ls is likely town Ksc is maybe town for seeing this right now
this one. always more likely a townie makes a posts in which he townreads somebody for thinking the same. just looks like a solid post.
I was reluctant to comply to your demands but because you are doing things I did as a token of good will. Now that I did it and saw how brilliant my read is I am even happy I did it.
PS: your read on kawadude is premature so don't push it too hard because it could very well be completely wrong.
Brillant indeed p: My read on tomhahawk might be early but it is quite good. First posts are very revelative for newbies
On to my main point and the overdue response to Shapelog, Rels, I believe you are reading backwards. Although I did claim that I don't have the experience to read you guys in the game, I never said I was a newbie and I think you would be fishing a little bit. You haven't really been saying much.. you responded to my introduction and called out the replacement soo heres some pressure ##Vote: Rels
Back to Shapelog, the amount of mafia experience? well some amount I guess mostly offline. I lurked a few threads but never really followed one actively
wtf?
specifically,
I think the facilitation of discussion makes your case of being town much stronger actually.
followed by:
You haven't really been saying much.. you responded to my introduction and called out the replacement soo heres some pressure ##Vote: Rels
I'm going to ignore tomahawk for now because he's doing some incredibly stupid things but stupid != scum and I would prefer the certainty of a better lynch over lynching a newbie.
##unvote ##vote Shapelog
tl;dr of what follows: I won't be around much in the next 12 hours, but we should kill Shapelog. Shapelog is meek, nonconfrontational, says a lot but doesn't contribute anything, and is suspected by pretty much everyone. Best lynch we'll get today. Details follow.
I would ordinarily be annoyed with the number of noncontributors we have but I'm actually pretty happy with the state of my reads of those people who actually have posted. The process of elimination should become easier with a bit more time. With that said, since I probably won't be here to drive the lynch, I propose that we kill Shapelog today.
1. Pretty much everyone in the game has said that they are suspicious of Shape, but only one person has actually voted with those suspicions. This is often an indication that someone is just skating by, a pretty big scum trait, whereas people who very obviously stick out are generally not scum. I'm fairly certain we'd get a good amount of blowback to a lynch effort on Shapelog as well, which would be great, because I seriously doubt that the resistance would make Shapelog look better.
2. Shapelog constantly pratters on and on without seeming to actually contribute anything. Given that Shapelog has like 1/5 of this game's posts, you would think that it would be easy to figure out Shapelog's reads and thoughts on the game with a single read-through of the game. Yet, nothing has stuck out, and I cannot actually recall anything Shapelog has said of substance without going filter diving and detail hunting.
3. I found myself spotting a lot of posts of Shapelog's that are of the "I'm going to do X" or "hi I'm here" kind of thing. The self-focus is very strong, and not something that many townies do. Examples:
On June 08 2016 11:10 Shapelog wrote: Eh i am getting off
On June 08 2016 11:02 Shapelog wrote: Eh I skimmed LS filter and nothing stood out.
On June 08 2016 10:52 Shapelog wrote: Eh I guess I dive either Rels or LS now.
On June 08 2016 10:31 Shapelog wrote: Eh fuck it, I can screw around longer. Whats up peeps?
On June 08 2016 07:09 Shapelog wrote: I going to just grab a drink real quick, and try to read him.
On June 08 2016 06:44 Shapelog wrote: Oh yeah I skipped over this post.
On June 07 2016 10:11 sicklucker wrote: you ripped my yugioh cards and then backed down
Yeah, fuck your blue eyes,
Onto more serious matters, nothing is bothering me from you other than your fixation on me and nothing else (might of changed since this post.) You keep coming back and posting just to me, and not towards or on anything else in the thread. You have (remember at the time of this post) not made any apparent reads or thoughts on anyone else. Which kinda rubs me wrong, because that doesn't seem like something town should do. I mean yes, town can get tunneled, but you yourself said it was for bad reason's (me being cute) so you not really dead set in it.
After typing it out, it kinda bothers me more. But I think for now I going to actually catch up.
i literraly gave a reads list a few posts before this page dumbo
Yeah I found it after the Yugi card post the page afterward and posted about it.
and, next post, emphasis mine:
On June 08 2016 09:00 Shapelog wrote: I actually check damdred's filter and I am quite shocked that there is nothing hardly there. I would have expected him to do much more than what he currently is doing.
He has 2 reads that are based on something (Ls, and Kel) and 2 off the fly reads (me and Palmar) and all of them are town. There is also nothing heavily suggesting that he is looking at people being scum than
There are several others i'm curious about but not there yet
which is understandable I guess at the time of the post, but when comes back, I would like to know who rubbed him atm.
Other than that, I am surprised he has done nothing other than make jokes. He hasn't been on today either to post as well.
Wouldn't mind lynching maybe if he doesn't get his shit together.
Will now dive another person
Note that I could go back and find a dozen other posts with the exact same theme, but the idea here is that Shapelog spends a gigantic amount of time saying things like "I'm going to do X" which are incredibly self-focused and seem to just be intended at convincing the thread that useful things are being done.
4. Both of Shapelog's suspicion posts have been of the form "would not mind lynching", as opposed to the more towny approach of "I think this dude is scum, let me vote him and convince all of the rest of you why we should kill him." Shapelog's approach at least from my perspective has been more in the camp of "let me see what sticks by meekly calling a bunch of different people suspicious and then go with the flow".
On June 08 2016 09:00 Shapelog wrote: I actually check damdred's filter and I am quite shocked that there is nothing hardly there. I would have expected him to do much more than what he currently is doing.
He has 2 reads that are based on something (Ls, and Kel) and 2 off the fly reads (me and Palmar) and all of them are town. There is also nothing heavily suggesting that he is looking at people being scum than
There are several others i'm curious about but not there yet
which is understandable I guess at the time of the post, but when comes back, I would like to know who rubbed him atm.
Other than that, I am surprised he has done nothing other than make jokes. He hasn't been on today either to post as well.
Wouldn't mind lynching maybe if he doesn't get his shit together.
Will now dive another person
On June 08 2016 09:35 Shapelog wrote: Reads -bugs I just do not understand why he is focused so fucking much on Palmar, and nothing else. Infact, the small talk to LS, asking about my games, and Kwah introduction being silly, is all that he has done other than Palmar. 2 of which (LS talk and Kwah) doesn't seem to spark any read from him, and he never read the games to our knowledge.
So, most likely he is in love with Palmar, and after the game, will propose to him. Wouldn't mind lynching him, thou other people might be better.
Palmar Nothing out of the ordinary. Dead Null, Want Explainations
5. Shapelog has been completely nonconfrontational, meek, and unsure/wishy washy. It seems that players that pressure even slightly will cause Shapelog to give way. Examples:
On June 07 2016 06:26 Damdred wrote: ##Vote LightningStrike
Easy game
amazing
This amazing sheep could be yours if the price is right.
Come on down KEL! Put that vote down where you think is the correct path (pst its sheep damdred thats the game).
If you do this wonderful prize will be yours
*audience gasps*
A TOWN VICTORY!
Idk can't tell if serious or trolling me again. You probably are scum if you actually 100% serious with that.
Idk, Check Millionaire (cell).
I cannot remember how he acted there since it's been awhile, but I somewhat remember him be like this (he was scum.) And I never remember him being this jokey.
Though, some of that was with the mayor race so idk.
On June 07 2016 06:26 Damdred wrote: ##Vote LightningStrike
Easy game
amazing
This amazing sheep could be yours if the price is right.
Come on down KEL! Put that vote down where you think is the correct path (pst its sheep damdred thats the game).
If you do this wonderful prize will be yours
*audience gasps*
A TOWN VICTORY!
Idk can't tell if serious or trolling me again. You probably are scum if you actually 100% serious with that.
Idk, Check Millionaire (cell).
I cannot remember how he acted there since it's been awhile, but I somewhat remember him be like this (he was scum.) And I never remember him being this jokey.
Though, some of that was with the mayor race so idk.
But meh.
(what is the point of that post even? it's a self reply!)
On June 07 2016 06:34 Shapelog wrote: [quote] Anything stick out to you? I know it's super early, but wonder if you spot anything.
Ls is likely town Ksc is maybe town for seeing this right now
Hmmm, Nothing really is sticking towards me other than the fact SL just disappear, but that doesn't hold a lot of weight towards finding out his alignment. And he could just be lurking. Prob. check cell and see.
Check cell for what reason ?
He got paranoia from playing to much plague inc evolved :o
I actually have just been playing total war rome 2 for obv. reasons >_>. Suggesting that the Codester would ever play a game with the word "Plague" in it is just to far.
And you ruined the joke I was referencing
I mean, I do have a nice rear, but how does that = that? I am so confused.
Paranoia is a symptom in that game lol.
Ah, well, I am suffering maybe from that because i find it fishy that:
On June 07 2016 06:53 Palmar wrote: pls mister president i am innocent.
For both their entrance posts.
But gumshoe thought people for scum because of the fact they both posted at the same time, and one of them was vig (other town) so meh. Just really coincidental, or offchance planned.
I think I could keep going but I think I've said enough to show my point (and I want to see if other people see other things that I did not explicitly mention).
If anybody sees anything that causes them to think Shapelog is town, please point it out. There are a couple things that lead me to be a bit unsure but I'd be curious if anyone else notices them. Also if anyone thinks there is a better lynch, please provide one. I'll be around for a couple hours before the lynch is over and I will be able to catch up on the thread and vote but I won't be able to push anything beyond what I'm doing now.
Got a bit of time before I need to go to work. After reading the responses after my vote on Shape I'm even more confident that Shape is scum.
I will explain more later but one of the reasons the resistance to the Shape lynch is very interesting because he hasn't even defended himself yet. You'd think that a townie with so much activity would have defended themselves already.
With that said I'm actually also completely fine with a Damdred lynch, as he also shares the trait of being universally suspected but flying under the radar. If necessary I'll move my vote when I recheck the thread before lynch but I would like everyone to consolidate on one of those two today.
VE did, and from reading the responses so far people have voted Shape just to unvote again.
I don't put much weight in VE's defense though, because uncertainty itself is not an alignment indicative trait. Self focus and avoidance of confrontation generally are, though.
Anyway when I refer to resistance, it's actually a good sign for a lynch if it has "hidden" resistance in that it's hard to get traction on what looks like a good lynch. Generally lynchbait townies will either just get bandwagoned to death or someone who has a good read of the person will surface new information or actively attempt to prevent the wagon.
The traction just isn't there on either of these lynches, so I feel better about both of them.
Shapelog's response is so weird to me. Like he is getting angry over me not responding about the games he linked? That's such a weird thing for a townie to get mad about, that he made some sort of effort to find his own games and got nothing to show for it.
It's also really weird that his response to me calling out his self-focus was that he "actually did" what he said he was gonna do (i.e. filter dives). That betrays the fact that he didn't bother to read what I wrote. The self focus aspect of scum is telling the thread how useful you're being. Townies don't do that because they have nothing to prove. They know they are town and their actions will carry that weight. Telling people you're doing stuff and being useful when not even being pressured is generally a scum trait. The response of "oh but I actually did that stuff!!!" is even more of the same of "hey look at me I'm being a townie by doing things like reading"
Yo, sicklucker: Rels's responses to you have been so strong (as in bold) that I think you should reevaluate. Bad plays are not indicative of scum. Him suspecting the newbie is strange but his reactions afterward are pretty townish.
Yo, Rels, you're stuck on surface-level stuff on the newbie (who is apparently pretty cognizant of how he sounded, it seemed like a joke) and while he very well might still be scum he's definitely not the best lynch today.
One of Damdred/Shapelog dies today, all other votes are wasted. Pick one.
On June 09 2016 03:41 wherebugsgo wrote: Yo, sicklucker: Rels's responses to you have been so strong (as in bold) that I think you should reevaluate. Bad plays are not indicative of scum. Him suspecting the newbie is strange but his reactions afterward are pretty townish.
Yo, Rels, you're stuck on surface-level stuff on the newbie (who is apparently pretty cognizant of how he sounded, it seemed like a joke) and while he very well might still be scum he's definitely not the best lynch today.
One of Damdred/Shapelog dies today, all other votes are wasted. Pick one.
"looking good" is not really something that makes someone town or mafia. people are better at looking good in arguments but that does not mean they make more sense. I know I dont ever look good in arguments because no one ever agrees with me untill post game when it turns out im right which is pretty much the story line of every game im in.
At the same time rels is very good at looking town and in his last two mafia games I WAS THE ONE WHO FUCKING CAUGHT HIM AS MAFIA. and everyone thought he was fucking town in both of those games untill his final day except fucking me of course. So no him looking good should not make him a bad day 1 lynch. but I know in your minds it will so ill move on for now
Even if he is scum you are doing a piss poor job of convincing anyone he is worthy of a vote. My point is that the lynch definitely won't happen today so it's not worth derailing the thread over it.
Pick one of Damdred and Shapelog to kill and let's get on with it.
I didn't side with anyone. You're both just creating a shitshow and neither of you look particularly scummy. I see it better off for us if you work together in that case.
Damdred's posts don't really inspire confidence that he is town. I'm still fine with both lynches (particularly as people are hesitating on Shape without providing any decent reasons for it)
Actually I'm unsure about this claim. Like he could be doctor, in which case he just gets RBed over and over (or RB+shot which might even be better for us).
I feel like the right play here is to switch to Damdred and just kill him.
On June 09 2016 05:50 sicklucker wrote: Like you dont have to lynch him im not medic I just dont buy his claim reminds me of superbia. do what you want
Do you think we have the time to switch to Damdred?
I would rather switch at this point and if Shapelog lives the night we just kill him tomorrow.
On June 09 2016 05:50 sicklucker wrote: Like you dont have to lynch him im not medic I just dont buy his claim reminds me of superbia. do what you want
Do you think we have the time to switch to Damdred?
I would rather switch at this point and if Shapelog lives the night we just kill him tomorrow.
This is not a smart post. Shape if doc will get rb'd to death. We lynch Shape if the real doc cc or dies.
I doubt it. If the tracker sees someone visit Shape it's pretty much an automatic RB death and then town pretty much just wins. I doubt scum would risk something like that.
Think about it from the scum perspective. If the RBer gets tracked the game is effectively over.
On June 09 2016 05:55 Koshi wrote: wherebugsgo is fucking mafia. There is no way he doesn't understand that the uncced doc should never be lynched in a FUCKING OPEN SETUP
You're seriously so fucking bad. Sicklucker might not actually be ccing. If he is, then he dies anyway and we confirm shape is scum.
Like I don't understand. I already had a strong town read on sicklucker, but we don't know if he is a doctor till he flips. If he flips on the NK thenwl we get a free scum kill, but Shape is actually not a free scum kill today until we know for sure it was a cc.
On June 09 2016 05:50 sicklucker wrote: Like you dont have to lynch him im not medic I just dont buy his claim reminds me of superbia. do what you want
Do you think we have the time to switch to Damdred?
I would rather switch at this point and if Shapelog lives the night we just kill him tomorrow.
This is not a smart post. Shape if doc will get rb'd to death. We lynch Shape if the real doc cc or dies.
I doubt it. If the tracker sees someone visit Shape it's pretty much an automatic RB death and then town pretty much just wins. I doubt scum would risk something like that.
Think about it from the scum perspective. If the RBer gets tracked the game is effectively over.
IF THE RB IS TRACKED IT IS ALREADY A RED CHECK WITHOUT THE CLAIM STUFF
How do you know it's the RB? Are you seriously this stupid?
If you track someone to a claimed doctor that means the person being tracked is pretty much 100% scum. If you just track someone to someone else you have no idea what they are.
This is like the most basic shit how are you people this stupid
Also these vote counts are atrocious. My vote doesn't count?? Like please. This game is really frustrating to play already, please at least have the vote counts be accurate.
I am like...98% sure VE is scum. Kill him. 95% sure Kelsier is also scum after a couple rereads. Kill him too.
The last one is the most difficult but there's a good chance it's Palmar. If it's not Palmar then probably Tumble. From there down the list who knows, very far down probably LS or Chezinu but I doubt it.
On June 10 2016 03:41 Palmar wrote: What am i mafia bugs?
You've been a complete nonfactor and your reads have been quite questionable. This is not the town Palmar I remember but everyone else has been saying you've been a lazy asshole (and a couple of your past games seem to indicate this) which is why I'm not that sure if you are scum
I need to do a reread of Rels. I actually really hated the fact that he got stuck up on a single post from the newbie but I attributed that to him just being bad. It's actually a pretty bold move as scum but from the scum perspective it's likely he didn't actually expect the newbie to get lynched. If he had survived it would have made a very convenient tunnel target for Rels later on. Someone mentioned that as scum he likes to mislynch easy targets so perhaps Rels is a better bet than Palmar for the last scum.
Rels who are your scumreads at this point and why?
On June 08 2016 07:21 Koshi wrote: Also the guy who said "everybody who posted so far is town"' got a serious scumpoint for making that comment.
Everything that was said was pretty shit till up to that point. Giving everybody townreads for that is just more likely mafia not being able to think of something, than a townie actually being happy with how the thread was going.
wherebugsgo.
He has a massive hard on for Palmar right now
Bugs might have a very good read on palmar , which would explain making a bad excuse to vote him and then asking for peoples reads on him afterwards so just waiting to see how that develops.
I have no idea where he is going with that push
wherever bugs go
We are a great team
also this post struck me as a bit odd :p
It would be pretty hilarious (I've done this once or twice as scum) if this was just one of those pushing the envelope type things.
he also didn't doubt the claim from shape immediately when it came out. there was no hesitation, even a little bit. The logic he used was also a little strange but I didn't think of it much then.
On June 10 2016 09:24 Koshi wrote: Like... Kelsier and VE are kinda lock mafia... So sl, TW, Palmar and wbg think Rels is mafia...
...
I don't see it
at all.
I honestly have no idea who scum is besides VE/Kelsier.
I'm near 100% certain VE is scum but there's a tiny percent chance he's just being a giant asswad and is just refusing to play as town. I always have a hard time reading him but I think this one is a no-brainer.
For the last scum it could be anybody else not named Damdred, Koshi, or sicklucker as far as I'm concerned. LS probably isn't scum, but there's a chance he is. I'm starting to think Palmar is probably not scum either, but there's a chance he is. Never really thought tumble was scum, but there's a small chance he is. Rels I mostly ignored and gave him a pass because he was arguing aggressively with sicklucker. I still haven't read his past games but if I do and find his scum is half decent he actually has a pretty good chance of being scum.
On June 08 2016 15:13 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm going to ignore tomahawk for now because he's doing some incredibly stupid things but stupid != scum and I would prefer the certainty of a better lynch over lynching a newbie.
##unvote ##vote Shapelog
tl;dr of what follows: I won't be around much in the next 12 hours, but we should kill Shapelog. Shapelog is meek, nonconfrontational, says a lot but doesn't contribute anything, and is suspected by pretty much everyone. Best lynch we'll get today. Details follow.
I would ordinarily be annoyed with the number of noncontributors we have but I'm actually pretty happy with the state of my reads of those people who actually have posted. The process of elimination should become easier with a bit more time. With that said, since I probably won't be here to drive the lynch, I propose that we kill Shapelog today.
1. Pretty much everyone in the game has said that they are suspicious of Shape, but only one person has actually voted with those suspicions. This is often an indication that someone is just skating by, a pretty big scum trait, whereas people who very obviously stick out are generally not scum. I'm fairly certain we'd get a good amount of blowback to a lynch effort on Shapelog as well, which would be great, because I seriously doubt that the resistance would make Shapelog look better.
2. Shapelog constantly pratters on and on without seeming to actually contribute anything. Given that Shapelog has like 1/5 of this game's posts, you would think that it would be easy to figure out Shapelog's reads and thoughts on the game with a single read-through of the game. Yet, nothing has stuck out, and I cannot actually recall anything Shapelog has said of substance without going filter diving and detail hunting.
3. I found myself spotting a lot of posts of Shapelog's that are of the "I'm going to do X" or "hi I'm here" kind of thing. The self-focus is very strong, and not something that many townies do. Examples:
On June 08 2016 11:10 Shapelog wrote: Eh i am getting off
On June 08 2016 11:02 Shapelog wrote: Eh I skimmed LS filter and nothing stood out.
On June 08 2016 10:52 Shapelog wrote: Eh I guess I dive either Rels or LS now.
On June 08 2016 10:31 Shapelog wrote: Eh fuck it, I can screw around longer. Whats up peeps?
On June 08 2016 07:09 Shapelog wrote: I going to just grab a drink real quick, and try to read him.
On June 08 2016 08:22 Shapelog wrote:
On June 08 2016 08:17 sicklucker wrote:
On June 08 2016 06:44 Shapelog wrote: Oh yeah I skipped over this post.
On June 07 2016 10:11 sicklucker wrote: you ripped my yugioh cards and then backed down
Yeah, fuck your blue eyes,
Onto more serious matters, nothing is bothering me from you other than your fixation on me and nothing else (might of changed since this post.) You keep coming back and posting just to me, and not towards or on anything else in the thread. You have (remember at the time of this post) not made any apparent reads or thoughts on anyone else. Which kinda rubs me wrong, because that doesn't seem like something town should do. I mean yes, town can get tunneled, but you yourself said it was for bad reason's (me being cute) so you not really dead set in it.
After typing it out, it kinda bothers me more. But I think for now I going to actually catch up.
i literraly gave a reads list a few posts before this page dumbo
Yeah I found it after the Yugi card post the page afterward and posted about it.
and, next post, emphasis mine:
On June 08 2016 09:00 Shapelog wrote: I actually check damdred's filter and I am quite shocked that there is nothing hardly there. I would have expected him to do much more than what he currently is doing.
He has 2 reads that are based on something (Ls, and Kel) and 2 off the fly reads (me and Palmar) and all of them are town. There is also nothing heavily suggesting that he is looking at people being scum than
There are several others i'm curious about but not there yet
which is understandable I guess at the time of the post, but when comes back, I would like to know who rubbed him atm.
Other than that, I am surprised he has done nothing other than make jokes. He hasn't been on today either to post as well.
Wouldn't mind lynching maybe if he doesn't get his shit together.
Will now dive another person
Note that I could go back and find a dozen other posts with the exact same theme, but the idea here is that Shapelog spends a gigantic amount of time saying things like "I'm going to do X" which are incredibly self-focused and seem to just be intended at convincing the thread that useful things are being done.
4. Both of Shapelog's suspicion posts have been of the form "would not mind lynching", as opposed to the more towny approach of "I think this dude is scum, let me vote him and convince all of the rest of you why we should kill him." Shapelog's approach at least from my perspective has been more in the camp of "let me see what sticks by meekly calling a bunch of different people suspicious and then go with the flow".
On June 08 2016 09:00 Shapelog wrote: I actually check damdred's filter and I am quite shocked that there is nothing hardly there. I would have expected him to do much more than what he currently is doing.
He has 2 reads that are based on something (Ls, and Kel) and 2 off the fly reads (me and Palmar) and all of them are town. There is also nothing heavily suggesting that he is looking at people being scum than
There are several others i'm curious about but not there yet
which is understandable I guess at the time of the post, but when comes back, I would like to know who rubbed him atm.
Other than that, I am surprised he has done nothing other than make jokes. He hasn't been on today either to post as well.
Wouldn't mind lynching maybe if he doesn't get his shit together.
Will now dive another person
On June 08 2016 09:35 Shapelog wrote: Reads -bugs I just do not understand why he is focused so fucking much on Palmar, and nothing else. Infact, the small talk to LS, asking about my games, and Kwah introduction being silly, is all that he has done other than Palmar. 2 of which (LS talk and Kwah) doesn't seem to spark any read from him, and he never read the games to our knowledge.
So, most likely he is in love with Palmar, and after the game, will propose to him. Wouldn't mind lynching him, thou other people might be better.
Palmar Nothing out of the ordinary. Dead Null, Want Explainations
5. Shapelog has been completely nonconfrontational, meek, and unsure/wishy washy. It seems that players that pressure even slightly will cause Shapelog to give way. Examples:
On June 07 2016 06:36 Shapelog wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:33 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:31 Damdred wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:26 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:26 Damdred wrote: ##Vote LightningStrike
Easy game
amazing
This amazing sheep could be yours if the price is right.
Come on down KEL! Put that vote down where you think is the correct path (pst its sheep damdred thats the game).
If you do this wonderful prize will be yours
*audience gasps*
A TOWN VICTORY!
Idk can't tell if serious or trolling me again. You probably are scum if you actually 100% serious with that.
Idk, Check Millionaire (cell).
I cannot remember how he acted there since it's been awhile, but I somewhat remember him be like this (he was scum.) And I never remember him being this jokey.
Though, some of that was with the mayor race so idk.
On June 07 2016 06:43 Shapelog wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:36 Shapelog wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:33 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:31 Damdred wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:26 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:26 Damdred wrote: ##Vote LightningStrike
Easy game
amazing
This amazing sheep could be yours if the price is right.
Come on down KEL! Put that vote down where you think is the correct path (pst its sheep damdred thats the game).
If you do this wonderful prize will be yours
*audience gasps*
A TOWN VICTORY!
Idk can't tell if serious or trolling me again. You probably are scum if you actually 100% serious with that.
Idk, Check Millionaire (cell).
I cannot remember how he acted there since it's been awhile, but I somewhat remember him be like this (he was scum.) And I never remember him being this jokey.
Though, some of that was with the mayor race so idk.
But meh.
(what is the point of that post even? it's a self reply!)
On June 07 2016 06:57 Shapelog wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:50 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:50 Shapelog wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:47 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:44 Shapelog wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:42 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:40 Rels wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:39 Shapelog wrote: [quote] Hmmm, Nothing really is sticking towards me other than the fact SL just disappear, but that doesn't hold a lot of weight towards finding out his alignment. And he could just be lurking. Prob. check cell and see.
Check cell for what reason ?
He got paranoia from playing to much plague inc evolved :o
I actually have just been playing total war rome 2 for obv. reasons >_>. Suggesting that the Codester would ever play a game with the word "Plague" in it is just to far.
I mean, I do have a nice rear, but how does that = that? I am so confused.
Paranoia is a symptom in that game lol.
Ah, well, I am suffering maybe from that because i find it fishy that:
On June 07 2016 06:48 wherebugsgo wrote: guys I got it figured out. Everyone who has posted so far is town.
##vote Palmar
happens, and 5 mins later
On June 07 2016 06:53 Palmar wrote: pls mister president i am innocent.
For both their entrance posts.
But gumshoe thought people for scum because of the fact they both posted at the same time, and one of them was vig (other town) so meh. Just really coincidental, or offchance planned.
I think I could keep going but I think I've said enough to show my point (and I want to see if other people see other things that I did not explicitly mention).
If anybody sees anything that causes them to think Shapelog is town, please point it out. There are a couple things that lead me to be a bit unsure but I'd be curious if anyone else notices them. Also if anyone thinks there is a better lynch, please provide one. I'll be around for a couple hours before the lynch is over and I will be able to catch up on the thread and vote but I won't be able to push anything beyond what I'm doing now.
On June 08 2016 15:13 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm going to ignore tomahawk for now because he's doing some incredibly stupid things but stupid != scum and I would prefer the certainty of a better lynch over lynching a newbie.
##unvote ##vote Shapelog
tl;dr of what follows: I won't be around much in the next 12 hours, but we should kill Shapelog. Shapelog is meek, nonconfrontational, says a lot but doesn't contribute anything, and is suspected by pretty much everyone. Best lynch we'll get today. Details follow.
I would ordinarily be annoyed with the number of noncontributors we have but I'm actually pretty happy with the state of my reads of those people who actually have posted. The process of elimination should become easier with a bit more time. With that said, since I probably won't be here to drive the lynch, I propose that we kill Shapelog today.
1. Pretty much everyone in the game has said that they are suspicious of Shape, but only one person has actually voted with those suspicions. This is often an indication that someone is just skating by, a pretty big scum trait, whereas people who very obviously stick out are generally not scum. I'm fairly certain we'd get a good amount of blowback to a lynch effort on Shapelog as well, which would be great, because I seriously doubt that the resistance would make Shapelog look better.
2. Shapelog constantly pratters on and on without seeming to actually contribute anything. Given that Shapelog has like 1/5 of this game's posts, you would think that it would be easy to figure out Shapelog's reads and thoughts on the game with a single read-through of the game. Yet, nothing has stuck out, and I cannot actually recall anything Shapelog has said of substance without going filter diving and detail hunting.
3. I found myself spotting a lot of posts of Shapelog's that are of the "I'm going to do X" or "hi I'm here" kind of thing. The self-focus is very strong, and not something that many townies do. Examples:
On June 08 2016 11:10 Shapelog wrote: Eh i am getting off
On June 08 2016 11:02 Shapelog wrote: Eh I skimmed LS filter and nothing stood out.
On June 08 2016 10:52 Shapelog wrote: Eh I guess I dive either Rels or LS now.
On June 08 2016 10:31 Shapelog wrote: Eh fuck it, I can screw around longer. Whats up peeps?
On June 08 2016 07:09 Shapelog wrote: I going to just grab a drink real quick, and try to read him.
On June 08 2016 08:22 Shapelog wrote:
On June 08 2016 08:17 sicklucker wrote:
On June 08 2016 06:44 Shapelog wrote: Oh yeah I skipped over this post.
On June 07 2016 10:11 sicklucker wrote: you ripped my yugioh cards and then backed down
Yeah, fuck your blue eyes,
Onto more serious matters, nothing is bothering me from you other than your fixation on me and nothing else (might of changed since this post.) You keep coming back and posting just to me, and not towards or on anything else in the thread. You have (remember at the time of this post) not made any apparent reads or thoughts on anyone else. Which kinda rubs me wrong, because that doesn't seem like something town should do. I mean yes, town can get tunneled, but you yourself said it was for bad reason's (me being cute) so you not really dead set in it.
After typing it out, it kinda bothers me more. But I think for now I going to actually catch up.
i literraly gave a reads list a few posts before this page dumbo
Yeah I found it after the Yugi card post the page afterward and posted about it.
and, next post, emphasis mine:
On June 08 2016 09:00 Shapelog wrote: I actually check damdred's filter and I am quite shocked that there is nothing hardly there. I would have expected him to do much more than what he currently is doing.
He has 2 reads that are based on something (Ls, and Kel) and 2 off the fly reads (me and Palmar) and all of them are town. There is also nothing heavily suggesting that he is looking at people being scum than
There are several others i'm curious about but not there yet
which is understandable I guess at the time of the post, but when comes back, I would like to know who rubbed him atm.
Other than that, I am surprised he has done nothing other than make jokes. He hasn't been on today either to post as well.
Wouldn't mind lynching maybe if he doesn't get his shit together.
Will now dive another person
Note that I could go back and find a dozen other posts with the exact same theme, but the idea here is that Shapelog spends a gigantic amount of time saying things like "I'm going to do X" which are incredibly self-focused and seem to just be intended at convincing the thread that useful things are being done.
4. Both of Shapelog's suspicion posts have been of the form "would not mind lynching", as opposed to the more towny approach of "I think this dude is scum, let me vote him and convince all of the rest of you why we should kill him." Shapelog's approach at least from my perspective has been more in the camp of "let me see what sticks by meekly calling a bunch of different people suspicious and then go with the flow".
On June 08 2016 09:00 Shapelog wrote: I actually check damdred's filter and I am quite shocked that there is nothing hardly there. I would have expected him to do much more than what he currently is doing.
He has 2 reads that are based on something (Ls, and Kel) and 2 off the fly reads (me and Palmar) and all of them are town. There is also nothing heavily suggesting that he is looking at people being scum than
There are several others i'm curious about but not there yet
which is understandable I guess at the time of the post, but when comes back, I would like to know who rubbed him atm.
Other than that, I am surprised he has done nothing other than make jokes. He hasn't been on today either to post as well.
Wouldn't mind lynching maybe if he doesn't get his shit together.
Will now dive another person
On June 08 2016 09:35 Shapelog wrote: Reads -bugs I just do not understand why he is focused so fucking much on Palmar, and nothing else. Infact, the small talk to LS, asking about my games, and Kwah introduction being silly, is all that he has done other than Palmar. 2 of which (LS talk and Kwah) doesn't seem to spark any read from him, and he never read the games to our knowledge.
So, most likely he is in love with Palmar, and after the game, will propose to him. Wouldn't mind lynching him, thou other people might be better.
Palmar Nothing out of the ordinary. Dead Null, Want Explainations
5. Shapelog has been completely nonconfrontational, meek, and unsure/wishy washy. It seems that players that pressure even slightly will cause Shapelog to give way. Examples:
On June 07 2016 06:36 Shapelog wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:33 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:31 Damdred wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:26 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:26 Damdred wrote: ##Vote LightningStrike
Easy game
amazing
This amazing sheep could be yours if the price is right.
Come on down KEL! Put that vote down where you think is the correct path (pst its sheep damdred thats the game).
If you do this wonderful prize will be yours
*audience gasps*
A TOWN VICTORY!
Idk can't tell if serious or trolling me again. You probably are scum if you actually 100% serious with that.
Idk, Check Millionaire (cell).
I cannot remember how he acted there since it's been awhile, but I somewhat remember him be like this (he was scum.) And I never remember him being this jokey.
Though, some of that was with the mayor race so idk.
On June 07 2016 06:43 Shapelog wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:36 Shapelog wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:33 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:31 Damdred wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:26 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:26 Damdred wrote: ##Vote LightningStrike
Easy game
amazing
This amazing sheep could be yours if the price is right.
Come on down KEL! Put that vote down where you think is the correct path (pst its sheep damdred thats the game).
If you do this wonderful prize will be yours
*audience gasps*
A TOWN VICTORY!
Idk can't tell if serious or trolling me again. You probably are scum if you actually 100% serious with that.
Idk, Check Millionaire (cell).
I cannot remember how he acted there since it's been awhile, but I somewhat remember him be like this (he was scum.) And I never remember him being this jokey.
Though, some of that was with the mayor race so idk.
But meh.
(what is the point of that post even? it's a self reply!)
On June 07 2016 06:57 Shapelog wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:50 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:50 Shapelog wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:47 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:44 Shapelog wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:42 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:40 Rels wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:39 Shapelog wrote: [quote] Hmmm, Nothing really is sticking towards me other than the fact SL just disappear, but that doesn't hold a lot of weight towards finding out his alignment. And he could just be lurking. Prob. check cell and see.
Check cell for what reason ?
He got paranoia from playing to much plague inc evolved :o
I actually have just been playing total war rome 2 for obv. reasons >_>. Suggesting that the Codester would ever play a game with the word "Plague" in it is just to far.
I mean, I do have a nice rear, but how does that = that? I am so confused.
Paranoia is a symptom in that game lol.
Ah, well, I am suffering maybe from that because i find it fishy that:
On June 07 2016 06:48 wherebugsgo wrote: guys I got it figured out. Everyone who has posted so far is town.
##vote Palmar
happens, and 5 mins later
On June 07 2016 06:53 Palmar wrote: pls mister president i am innocent.
For both their entrance posts.
But gumshoe thought people for scum because of the fact they both posted at the same time, and one of them was vig (other town) so meh. Just really coincidental, or offchance planned.
I think I could keep going but I think I've said enough to show my point (and I want to see if other people see other things that I did not explicitly mention).
If anybody sees anything that causes them to think Shapelog is town, please point it out. There are a couple things that lead me to be a bit unsure but I'd be curious if anyone else notices them. Also if anyone thinks there is a better lynch, please provide one. I'll be around for a couple hours before the lynch is over and I will be able to catch up on the thread and vote but I won't be able to push anything beyond what I'm doing now.
On June 08 2016 15:13 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm going to ignore tomahawk for now because he's doing some incredibly stupid things but stupid != scum and I would prefer the certainty of a better lynch over lynching a newbie.
##unvote ##vote Shapelog
tl;dr of what follows: I won't be around much in the next 12 hours, but we should kill Shapelog. Shapelog is meek, nonconfrontational, says a lot but doesn't contribute anything, and is suspected by pretty much everyone. Best lynch we'll get today. Details follow.
I would ordinarily be annoyed with the number of noncontributors we have but I'm actually pretty happy with the state of my reads of those people who actually have posted. The process of elimination should become easier with a bit more time. With that said, since I probably won't be here to drive the lynch, I propose that we kill Shapelog today.
1. Pretty much everyone in the game has said that they are suspicious of Shape, but only one person has actually voted with those suspicions. This is often an indication that someone is just skating by, a pretty big scum trait, whereas people who very obviously stick out are generally not scum. I'm fairly certain we'd get a good amount of blowback to a lynch effort on Shapelog as well, which would be great, because I seriously doubt that the resistance would make Shapelog look better.
2. Shapelog constantly pratters on and on without seeming to actually contribute anything. Given that Shapelog has like 1/5 of this game's posts, you would think that it would be easy to figure out Shapelog's reads and thoughts on the game with a single read-through of the game. Yet, nothing has stuck out, and I cannot actually recall anything Shapelog has said of substance without going filter diving and detail hunting.
3. I found myself spotting a lot of posts of Shapelog's that are of the "I'm going to do X" or "hi I'm here" kind of thing. The self-focus is very strong, and not something that many townies do. Examples:
On June 08 2016 11:10 Shapelog wrote: Eh i am getting off
On June 08 2016 11:02 Shapelog wrote: Eh I skimmed LS filter and nothing stood out.
On June 08 2016 10:52 Shapelog wrote: Eh I guess I dive either Rels or LS now.
On June 08 2016 10:31 Shapelog wrote: Eh fuck it, I can screw around longer. Whats up peeps?
On June 08 2016 07:09 Shapelog wrote: I going to just grab a drink real quick, and try to read him.
On June 08 2016 08:22 Shapelog wrote:
On June 08 2016 08:17 sicklucker wrote:
On June 08 2016 06:44 Shapelog wrote: Oh yeah I skipped over this post.
On June 07 2016 10:11 sicklucker wrote: you ripped my yugioh cards and then backed down
Yeah, fuck your blue eyes,
Onto more serious matters, nothing is bothering me from you other than your fixation on me and nothing else (might of changed since this post.) You keep coming back and posting just to me, and not towards or on anything else in the thread. You have (remember at the time of this post) not made any apparent reads or thoughts on anyone else. Which kinda rubs me wrong, because that doesn't seem like something town should do. I mean yes, town can get tunneled, but you yourself said it was for bad reason's (me being cute) so you not really dead set in it.
After typing it out, it kinda bothers me more. But I think for now I going to actually catch up.
i literraly gave a reads list a few posts before this page dumbo
Yeah I found it after the Yugi card post the page afterward and posted about it.
and, next post, emphasis mine:
On June 08 2016 09:00 Shapelog wrote: I actually check damdred's filter and I am quite shocked that there is nothing hardly there. I would have expected him to do much more than what he currently is doing.
He has 2 reads that are based on something (Ls, and Kel) and 2 off the fly reads (me and Palmar) and all of them are town. There is also nothing heavily suggesting that he is looking at people being scum than
There are several others i'm curious about but not there yet
which is understandable I guess at the time of the post, but when comes back, I would like to know who rubbed him atm.
Other than that, I am surprised he has done nothing other than make jokes. He hasn't been on today either to post as well.
Wouldn't mind lynching maybe if he doesn't get his shit together.
Will now dive another person
Note that I could go back and find a dozen other posts with the exact same theme, but the idea here is that Shapelog spends a gigantic amount of time saying things like "I'm going to do X" which are incredibly self-focused and seem to just be intended at convincing the thread that useful things are being done.
4. Both of Shapelog's suspicion posts have been of the form "would not mind lynching", as opposed to the more towny approach of "I think this dude is scum, let me vote him and convince all of the rest of you why we should kill him." Shapelog's approach at least from my perspective has been more in the camp of "let me see what sticks by meekly calling a bunch of different people suspicious and then go with the flow".
On June 08 2016 09:00 Shapelog wrote: I actually check damdred's filter and I am quite shocked that there is nothing hardly there. I would have expected him to do much more than what he currently is doing.
He has 2 reads that are based on something (Ls, and Kel) and 2 off the fly reads (me and Palmar) and all of them are town. There is also nothing heavily suggesting that he is looking at people being scum than
There are several others i'm curious about but not there yet
which is understandable I guess at the time of the post, but when comes back, I would like to know who rubbed him atm.
Other than that, I am surprised he has done nothing other than make jokes. He hasn't been on today either to post as well.
Wouldn't mind lynching maybe if he doesn't get his shit together.
Will now dive another person
On June 08 2016 09:35 Shapelog wrote: Reads -bugs I just do not understand why he is focused so fucking much on Palmar, and nothing else. Infact, the small talk to LS, asking about my games, and Kwah introduction being silly, is all that he has done other than Palmar. 2 of which (LS talk and Kwah) doesn't seem to spark any read from him, and he never read the games to our knowledge.
So, most likely he is in love with Palmar, and after the game, will propose to him. Wouldn't mind lynching him, thou other people might be better.
Palmar Nothing out of the ordinary. Dead Null, Want Explainations
5. Shapelog has been completely nonconfrontational, meek, and unsure/wishy washy. It seems that players that pressure even slightly will cause Shapelog to give way. Examples:
On June 07 2016 06:36 Shapelog wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:33 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:31 Damdred wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:26 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:26 Damdred wrote: ##Vote LightningStrike
Easy game
amazing
This amazing sheep could be yours if the price is right.
Come on down KEL! Put that vote down where you think is the correct path (pst its sheep damdred thats the game).
If you do this wonderful prize will be yours
*audience gasps*
A TOWN VICTORY!
Idk can't tell if serious or trolling me again. You probably are scum if you actually 100% serious with that.
Idk, Check Millionaire (cell).
I cannot remember how he acted there since it's been awhile, but I somewhat remember him be like this (he was scum.) And I never remember him being this jokey.
Though, some of that was with the mayor race so idk.
On June 07 2016 06:43 Shapelog wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:36 Shapelog wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:33 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:31 Damdred wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:26 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:26 Damdred wrote: ##Vote LightningStrike
Easy game
amazing
This amazing sheep could be yours if the price is right.
Come on down KEL! Put that vote down where you think is the correct path (pst its sheep damdred thats the game).
If you do this wonderful prize will be yours
*audience gasps*
A TOWN VICTORY!
Idk can't tell if serious or trolling me again. You probably are scum if you actually 100% serious with that.
Idk, Check Millionaire (cell).
I cannot remember how he acted there since it's been awhile, but I somewhat remember him be like this (he was scum.) And I never remember him being this jokey.
Though, some of that was with the mayor race so idk.
But meh.
(what is the point of that post even? it's a self reply!)
On June 07 2016 06:57 Shapelog wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:50 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:50 Shapelog wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:47 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:44 Shapelog wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:42 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:40 Rels wrote: [quote] Check cell for what reason ?
He got paranoia from playing to much plague inc evolved :o
I actually have just been playing total war rome 2 for obv. reasons >_>. Suggesting that the Codester would ever play a game with the word "Plague" in it is just to far.
I mean, I do have a nice rear, but how does that = that? I am so confused.
Paranoia is a symptom in that game lol.
Ah, well, I am suffering maybe from that because i find it fishy that:
On June 07 2016 06:48 wherebugsgo wrote: guys I got it figured out. Everyone who has posted so far is town.
##vote Palmar
happens, and 5 mins later
On June 07 2016 06:53 Palmar wrote: pls mister president i am innocent.
For both their entrance posts.
But gumshoe thought people for scum because of the fact they both posted at the same time, and one of them was vig (other town) so meh. Just really coincidental, or offchance planned.
I think I could keep going but I think I've said enough to show my point (and I want to see if other people see other things that I did not explicitly mention).
If anybody sees anything that causes them to think Shapelog is town, please point it out. There are a couple things that lead me to be a bit unsure but I'd be curious if anyone else notices them. Also if anyone thinks there is a better lynch, please provide one. I'll be around for a couple hours before the lynch is over and I will be able to catch up on the thread and vote but I won't be able to push anything beyond what I'm doing now.
On June 08 2016 15:13 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm going to ignore tomahawk for now because he's doing some incredibly stupid things but stupid != scum and I would prefer the certainty of a better lynch over lynching a newbie.
##unvote ##vote Shapelog
tl;dr of what follows: I won't be around much in the next 12 hours, but we should kill Shapelog. Shapelog is meek, nonconfrontational, says a lot but doesn't contribute anything, and is suspected by pretty much everyone. Best lynch we'll get today. Details follow.
I would ordinarily be annoyed with the number of noncontributors we have but I'm actually pretty happy with the state of my reads of those people who actually have posted. The process of elimination should become easier with a bit more time. With that said, since I probably won't be here to drive the lynch, I propose that we kill Shapelog today.
1. Pretty much everyone in the game has said that they are suspicious of Shape, but only one person has actually voted with those suspicions. This is often an indication that someone is just skating by, a pretty big scum trait, whereas people who very obviously stick out are generally not scum. I'm fairly certain we'd get a good amount of blowback to a lynch effort on Shapelog as well, which would be great, because I seriously doubt that the resistance would make Shapelog look better.
2. Shapelog constantly pratters on and on without seeming to actually contribute anything. Given that Shapelog has like 1/5 of this game's posts, you would think that it would be easy to figure out Shapelog's reads and thoughts on the game with a single read-through of the game. Yet, nothing has stuck out, and I cannot actually recall anything Shapelog has said of substance without going filter diving and detail hunting.
3. I found myself spotting a lot of posts of Shapelog's that are of the "I'm going to do X" or "hi I'm here" kind of thing. The self-focus is very strong, and not something that many townies do. Examples:
On June 08 2016 11:10 Shapelog wrote: Eh i am getting off
On June 08 2016 11:02 Shapelog wrote: Eh I skimmed LS filter and nothing stood out.
On June 08 2016 10:52 Shapelog wrote: Eh I guess I dive either Rels or LS now.
On June 08 2016 10:31 Shapelog wrote: Eh fuck it, I can screw around longer. Whats up peeps?
On June 08 2016 07:09 Shapelog wrote: I going to just grab a drink real quick, and try to read him.
On June 08 2016 08:22 Shapelog wrote:
On June 08 2016 08:17 sicklucker wrote:
On June 08 2016 06:44 Shapelog wrote: Oh yeah I skipped over this post.
On June 07 2016 10:11 sicklucker wrote: you ripped my yugioh cards and then backed down
Yeah, fuck your blue eyes,
Onto more serious matters, nothing is bothering me from you other than your fixation on me and nothing else (might of changed since this post.) You keep coming back and posting just to me, and not towards or on anything else in the thread. You have (remember at the time of this post) not made any apparent reads or thoughts on anyone else. Which kinda rubs me wrong, because that doesn't seem like something town should do. I mean yes, town can get tunneled, but you yourself said it was for bad reason's (me being cute) so you not really dead set in it.
After typing it out, it kinda bothers me more. But I think for now I going to actually catch up.
i literraly gave a reads list a few posts before this page dumbo
Yeah I found it after the Yugi card post the page afterward and posted about it.
and, next post, emphasis mine:
On June 08 2016 09:00 Shapelog wrote: I actually check damdred's filter and I am quite shocked that there is nothing hardly there. I would have expected him to do much more than what he currently is doing.
He has 2 reads that are based on something (Ls, and Kel) and 2 off the fly reads (me and Palmar) and all of them are town. There is also nothing heavily suggesting that he is looking at people being scum than
There are several others i'm curious about but not there yet
which is understandable I guess at the time of the post, but when comes back, I would like to know who rubbed him atm.
Other than that, I am surprised he has done nothing other than make jokes. He hasn't been on today either to post as well.
Wouldn't mind lynching maybe if he doesn't get his shit together.
Will now dive another person
Note that I could go back and find a dozen other posts with the exact same theme, but the idea here is that Shapelog spends a gigantic amount of time saying things like "I'm going to do X" which are incredibly self-focused and seem to just be intended at convincing the thread that useful things are being done.
4. Both of Shapelog's suspicion posts have been of the form "would not mind lynching", as opposed to the more towny approach of "I think this dude is scum, let me vote him and convince all of the rest of you why we should kill him." Shapelog's approach at least from my perspective has been more in the camp of "let me see what sticks by meekly calling a bunch of different people suspicious and then go with the flow".
On June 08 2016 09:00 Shapelog wrote: I actually check damdred's filter and I am quite shocked that there is nothing hardly there. I would have expected him to do much more than what he currently is doing.
He has 2 reads that are based on something (Ls, and Kel) and 2 off the fly reads (me and Palmar) and all of them are town. There is also nothing heavily suggesting that he is looking at people being scum than
There are several others i'm curious about but not there yet
which is understandable I guess at the time of the post, but when comes back, I would like to know who rubbed him atm.
Other than that, I am surprised he has done nothing other than make jokes. He hasn't been on today either to post as well.
Wouldn't mind lynching maybe if he doesn't get his shit together.
Will now dive another person
On June 08 2016 09:35 Shapelog wrote: Reads -bugs I just do not understand why he is focused so fucking much on Palmar, and nothing else. Infact, the small talk to LS, asking about my games, and Kwah introduction being silly, is all that he has done other than Palmar. 2 of which (LS talk and Kwah) doesn't seem to spark any read from him, and he never read the games to our knowledge.
So, most likely he is in love with Palmar, and after the game, will propose to him. Wouldn't mind lynching him, thou other people might be better.
Palmar Nothing out of the ordinary. Dead Null, Want Explainations
5. Shapelog has been completely nonconfrontational, meek, and unsure/wishy washy. It seems that players that pressure even slightly will cause Shapelog to give way. Examples:
On June 07 2016 06:36 Shapelog wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:33 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:31 Damdred wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:26 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:26 Damdred wrote: ##Vote LightningStrike
Easy game
amazing
This amazing sheep could be yours if the price is right.
Come on down KEL! Put that vote down where you think is the correct path (pst its sheep damdred thats the game).
If you do this wonderful prize will be yours
*audience gasps*
A TOWN VICTORY!
Idk can't tell if serious or trolling me again. You probably are scum if you actually 100% serious with that.
Idk, Check Millionaire (cell).
I cannot remember how he acted there since it's been awhile, but I somewhat remember him be like this (he was scum.) And I never remember him being this jokey.
Though, some of that was with the mayor race so idk.
On June 07 2016 06:43 Shapelog wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:36 Shapelog wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:33 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:31 Damdred wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:26 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:26 Damdred wrote: ##Vote LightningStrike
Easy game
amazing
This amazing sheep could be yours if the price is right.
Come on down KEL! Put that vote down where you think is the correct path (pst its sheep damdred thats the game).
If you do this wonderful prize will be yours
*audience gasps*
A TOWN VICTORY!
Idk can't tell if serious or trolling me again. You probably are scum if you actually 100% serious with that.
Idk, Check Millionaire (cell).
I cannot remember how he acted there since it's been awhile, but I somewhat remember him be like this (he was scum.) And I never remember him being this jokey.
Though, some of that was with the mayor race so idk.
But meh.
(what is the point of that post even? it's a self reply!)
On June 07 2016 06:57 Shapelog wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:50 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:50 Shapelog wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:47 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:44 Shapelog wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:42 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:40 Rels wrote: [quote] Check cell for what reason ?
He got paranoia from playing to much plague inc evolved :o
I actually have just been playing total war rome 2 for obv. reasons >_>. Suggesting that the Codester would ever play a game with the word "Plague" in it is just to far.
I mean, I do have a nice rear, but how does that = that? I am so confused.
Paranoia is a symptom in that game lol.
Ah, well, I am suffering maybe from that because i find it fishy that:
On June 07 2016 06:48 wherebugsgo wrote: guys I got it figured out. Everyone who has posted so far is town.
##vote Palmar
happens, and 5 mins later
On June 07 2016 06:53 Palmar wrote: pls mister president i am innocent.
For both their entrance posts.
But gumshoe thought people for scum because of the fact they both posted at the same time, and one of them was vig (other town) so meh. Just really coincidental, or offchance planned.
I think I could keep going but I think I've said enough to show my point (and I want to see if other people see other things that I did not explicitly mention).
If anybody sees anything that causes them to think Shapelog is town, please point it out. There are a couple things that lead me to be a bit unsure but I'd be curious if anyone else notices them. Also if anyone thinks there is a better lynch, please provide one. I'll be around for a couple hours before the lynch is over and I will be able to catch up on the thread and vote but I won't be able to push anything beyond what I'm doing now.
On June 08 2016 15:13 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm going to ignore tomahawk for now because he's doing some incredibly stupid things but stupid != scum and I would prefer the certainty of a better lynch over lynching a newbie.
##unvote ##vote Shapelog
tl;dr of what follows: I won't be around much in the next 12 hours, but we should kill Shapelog. Shapelog is meek, nonconfrontational, says a lot but doesn't contribute anything, and is suspected by pretty much everyone. Best lynch we'll get today. Details follow.
I would ordinarily be annoyed with the number of noncontributors we have but I'm actually pretty happy with the state of my reads of those people who actually have posted. The process of elimination should become easier with a bit more time. With that said, since I probably won't be here to drive the lynch, I propose that we kill Shapelog today.
1. Pretty much everyone in the game has said that they are suspicious of Shape, but only one person has actually voted with those suspicions. This is often an indication that someone is just skating by, a pretty big scum trait, whereas people who very obviously stick out are generally not scum. I'm fairly certain we'd get a good amount of blowback to a lynch effort on Shapelog as well, which would be great, because I seriously doubt that the resistance would make Shapelog look better.
2. Shapelog constantly pratters on and on without seeming to actually contribute anything. Given that Shapelog has like 1/5 of this game's posts, you would think that it would be easy to figure out Shapelog's reads and thoughts on the game with a single read-through of the game. Yet, nothing has stuck out, and I cannot actually recall anything Shapelog has said of substance without going filter diving and detail hunting.
3. I found myself spotting a lot of posts of Shapelog's that are of the "I'm going to do X" or "hi I'm here" kind of thing. The self-focus is very strong, and not something that many townies do. Examples:
On June 08 2016 11:10 Shapelog wrote: Eh i am getting off
On June 08 2016 11:02 Shapelog wrote: Eh I skimmed LS filter and nothing stood out.
On June 08 2016 10:52 Shapelog wrote: Eh I guess I dive either Rels or LS now.
On June 08 2016 10:31 Shapelog wrote: Eh fuck it, I can screw around longer. Whats up peeps?
On June 08 2016 07:09 Shapelog wrote: I going to just grab a drink real quick, and try to read him.
On June 08 2016 08:22 Shapelog wrote:
On June 08 2016 08:17 sicklucker wrote:
On June 08 2016 06:44 Shapelog wrote: Oh yeah I skipped over this post.
On June 07 2016 10:11 sicklucker wrote: you ripped my yugioh cards and then backed down
Yeah, fuck your blue eyes,
Onto more serious matters, nothing is bothering me from you other than your fixation on me and nothing else (might of changed since this post.) You keep coming back and posting just to me, and not towards or on anything else in the thread. You have (remember at the time of this post) not made any apparent reads or thoughts on anyone else. Which kinda rubs me wrong, because that doesn't seem like something town should do. I mean yes, town can get tunneled, but you yourself said it was for bad reason's (me being cute) so you not really dead set in it.
After typing it out, it kinda bothers me more. But I think for now I going to actually catch up.
i literraly gave a reads list a few posts before this page dumbo
Yeah I found it after the Yugi card post the page afterward and posted about it.
and, next post, emphasis mine:
On June 08 2016 09:00 Shapelog wrote: I actually check damdred's filter and I am quite shocked that there is nothing hardly there. I would have expected him to do much more than what he currently is doing.
He has 2 reads that are based on something (Ls, and Kel) and 2 off the fly reads (me and Palmar) and all of them are town. There is also nothing heavily suggesting that he is looking at people being scum than
There are several others i'm curious about but not there yet
which is understandable I guess at the time of the post, but when comes back, I would like to know who rubbed him atm.
Other than that, I am surprised he has done nothing other than make jokes. He hasn't been on today either to post as well.
Wouldn't mind lynching maybe if he doesn't get his shit together.
Will now dive another person
Note that I could go back and find a dozen other posts with the exact same theme, but the idea here is that Shapelog spends a gigantic amount of time saying things like "I'm going to do X" which are incredibly self-focused and seem to just be intended at convincing the thread that useful things are being done.
4. Both of Shapelog's suspicion posts have been of the form "would not mind lynching", as opposed to the more towny approach of "I think this dude is scum, let me vote him and convince all of the rest of you why we should kill him." Shapelog's approach at least from my perspective has been more in the camp of "let me see what sticks by meekly calling a bunch of different people suspicious and then go with the flow".
On June 08 2016 09:00 Shapelog wrote: I actually check damdred's filter and I am quite shocked that there is nothing hardly there. I would have expected him to do much more than what he currently is doing.
He has 2 reads that are based on something (Ls, and Kel) and 2 off the fly reads (me and Palmar) and all of them are town. There is also nothing heavily suggesting that he is looking at people being scum than
There are several others i'm curious about but not there yet
which is understandable I guess at the time of the post, but when comes back, I would like to know who rubbed him atm.
Other than that, I am surprised he has done nothing other than make jokes. He hasn't been on today either to post as well.
Wouldn't mind lynching maybe if he doesn't get his shit together.
Will now dive another person
On June 08 2016 09:35 Shapelog wrote: Reads -bugs I just do not understand why he is focused so fucking much on Palmar, and nothing else. Infact, the small talk to LS, asking about my games, and Kwah introduction being silly, is all that he has done other than Palmar. 2 of which (LS talk and Kwah) doesn't seem to spark any read from him, and he never read the games to our knowledge.
So, most likely he is in love with Palmar, and after the game, will propose to him. Wouldn't mind lynching him, thou other people might be better.
Palmar Nothing out of the ordinary. Dead Null, Want Explainations
5. Shapelog has been completely nonconfrontational, meek, and unsure/wishy washy. It seems that players that pressure even slightly will cause Shapelog to give way. Examples:
On June 07 2016 06:36 Shapelog wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:33 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:31 Damdred wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:26 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:26 Damdred wrote: ##Vote LightningStrike
Easy game
amazing
This amazing sheep could be yours if the price is right.
Come on down KEL! Put that vote down where you think is the correct path (pst its sheep damdred thats the game).
If you do this wonderful prize will be yours
*audience gasps*
A TOWN VICTORY!
Idk can't tell if serious or trolling me again. You probably are scum if you actually 100% serious with that.
Idk, Check Millionaire (cell).
I cannot remember how he acted there since it's been awhile, but I somewhat remember him be like this (he was scum.) And I never remember him being this jokey.
Though, some of that was with the mayor race so idk.
On June 07 2016 06:43 Shapelog wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:36 Shapelog wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:33 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:31 Damdred wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:26 KelsierSC wrote: [quote]
amazing
This amazing sheep could be yours if the price is right.
Come on down KEL! Put that vote down where you think is the correct path (pst its sheep damdred thats the game).
If you do this wonderful prize will be yours
*audience gasps*
A TOWN VICTORY!
Idk can't tell if serious or trolling me again. You probably are scum if you actually 100% serious with that.
Idk, Check Millionaire (cell).
I cannot remember how he acted there since it's been awhile, but I somewhat remember him be like this (he was scum.) And I never remember him being this jokey.
Though, some of that was with the mayor race so idk.
But meh.
(what is the point of that post even? it's a self reply!)
On June 07 2016 06:57 Shapelog wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:50 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:50 Shapelog wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:47 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:44 Shapelog wrote: [quote] I actually have just been playing total war rome 2 for obv. reasons >_>. Suggesting that the Codester would ever play a game with the word "Plague" in it is just to far.
I mean, I do have a nice rear, but how does that = that? I am so confused.
Paranoia is a symptom in that game lol.
Ah, well, I am suffering maybe from that because i find it fishy that:
On June 07 2016 06:48 wherebugsgo wrote: guys I got it figured out. Everyone who has posted so far is town.
##vote Palmar
happens, and 5 mins later
On June 07 2016 06:53 Palmar wrote: pls mister president i am innocent.
For both their entrance posts.
But gumshoe thought people for scum because of the fact they both posted at the same time, and one of them was vig (other town) so meh. Just really coincidental, or offchance planned.
I think I could keep going but I think I've said enough to show my point (and I want to see if other people see other things that I did not explicitly mention).
If anybody sees anything that causes them to think Shapelog is town, please point it out. There are a couple things that lead me to be a bit unsure but I'd be curious if anyone else notices them. Also if anyone thinks there is a better lynch, please provide one. I'll be around for a couple hours before the lynch is over and I will be able to catch up on the thread and vote but I won't be able to push anything beyond what I'm doing now.
This is a really good post.
On June 08 2016 23:39 Rels wrote:
On June 08 2016 15:13 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm going to ignore tomahawk for now because he's doing some incredibly stupid things but stupid != scum and I would prefer the certainty of a better lynch over lynching a newbie.
##unvote ##vote Shapelog
tl;dr of what follows: I won't be around much in the next 12 hours, but we should kill Shapelog. Shapelog is meek, nonconfrontational, says a lot but doesn't contribute anything, and is suspected by pretty much everyone. Best lynch we'll get today. Details follow.
I would ordinarily be annoyed with the number of noncontributors we have but I'm actually pretty happy with the state of my reads of those people who actually have posted. The process of elimination should become easier with a bit more time. With that said, since I probably won't be here to drive the lynch, I propose that we kill Shapelog today.
1. Pretty much everyone in the game has said that they are suspicious of Shape, but only one person has actually voted with those suspicions. This is often an indication that someone is just skating by, a pretty big scum trait, whereas people who very obviously stick out are generally not scum. I'm fairly certain we'd get a good amount of blowback to a lynch effort on Shapelog as well, which would be great, because I seriously doubt that the resistance would make Shapelog look better.
2. Shapelog constantly pratters on and on without seeming to actually contribute anything. Given that Shapelog has like 1/5 of this game's posts, you would think that it would be easy to figure out Shapelog's reads and thoughts on the game with a single read-through of the game. Yet, nothing has stuck out, and I cannot actually recall anything Shapelog has said of substance without going filter diving and detail hunting.
3. I found myself spotting a lot of posts of Shapelog's that are of the "I'm going to do X" or "hi I'm here" kind of thing. The self-focus is very strong, and not something that many townies do. Examples:
On June 08 2016 11:10 Shapelog wrote: Eh i am getting off
On June 08 2016 11:02 Shapelog wrote: Eh I skimmed LS filter and nothing stood out.
On June 08 2016 10:52 Shapelog wrote: Eh I guess I dive either Rels or LS now.
On June 08 2016 10:31 Shapelog wrote: Eh fuck it, I can screw around longer. Whats up peeps?
On June 08 2016 07:09 Shapelog wrote: I going to just grab a drink real quick, and try to read him.
On June 08 2016 08:22 Shapelog wrote:
On June 08 2016 08:17 sicklucker wrote:
On June 08 2016 06:44 Shapelog wrote: Oh yeah I skipped over this post.
On June 07 2016 10:11 sicklucker wrote: you ripped my yugioh cards and then backed down
Yeah, fuck your blue eyes,
Onto more serious matters, nothing is bothering me from you other than your fixation on me and nothing else (might of changed since this post.) You keep coming back and posting just to me, and not towards or on anything else in the thread. You have (remember at the time of this post) not made any apparent reads or thoughts on anyone else. Which kinda rubs me wrong, because that doesn't seem like something town should do. I mean yes, town can get tunneled, but you yourself said it was for bad reason's (me being cute) so you not really dead set in it.
After typing it out, it kinda bothers me more. But I think for now I going to actually catch up.
i literraly gave a reads list a few posts before this page dumbo
Yeah I found it after the Yugi card post the page afterward and posted about it.
and, next post, emphasis mine:
On June 08 2016 09:00 Shapelog wrote: I actually check damdred's filter and I am quite shocked that there is nothing hardly there. I would have expected him to do much more than what he currently is doing.
He has 2 reads that are based on something (Ls, and Kel) and 2 off the fly reads (me and Palmar) and all of them are town. There is also nothing heavily suggesting that he is looking at people being scum than
There are several others i'm curious about but not there yet
which is understandable I guess at the time of the post, but when comes back, I would like to know who rubbed him atm.
Other than that, I am surprised he has done nothing other than make jokes. He hasn't been on today either to post as well.
Wouldn't mind lynching maybe if he doesn't get his shit together.
Will now dive another person
Note that I could go back and find a dozen other posts with the exact same theme, but the idea here is that Shapelog spends a gigantic amount of time saying things like "I'm going to do X" which are incredibly self-focused and seem to just be intended at convincing the thread that useful things are being done.
4. Both of Shapelog's suspicion posts have been of the form "would not mind lynching", as opposed to the more towny approach of "I think this dude is scum, let me vote him and convince all of the rest of you why we should kill him." Shapelog's approach at least from my perspective has been more in the camp of "let me see what sticks by meekly calling a bunch of different people suspicious and then go with the flow".
On June 08 2016 09:00 Shapelog wrote: I actually check damdred's filter and I am quite shocked that there is nothing hardly there. I would have expected him to do much more than what he currently is doing.
He has 2 reads that are based on something (Ls, and Kel) and 2 off the fly reads (me and Palmar) and all of them are town. There is also nothing heavily suggesting that he is looking at people being scum than
There are several others i'm curious about but not there yet
which is understandable I guess at the time of the post, but when comes back, I would like to know who rubbed him atm.
Other than that, I am surprised he has done nothing other than make jokes. He hasn't been on today either to post as well.
Wouldn't mind lynching maybe if he doesn't get his shit together.
Will now dive another person
On June 08 2016 09:35 Shapelog wrote: Reads -bugs I just do not understand why he is focused so fucking much on Palmar, and nothing else. Infact, the small talk to LS, asking about my games, and Kwah introduction being silly, is all that he has done other than Palmar. 2 of which (LS talk and Kwah) doesn't seem to spark any read from him, and he never read the games to our knowledge.
So, most likely he is in love with Palmar, and after the game, will propose to him. Wouldn't mind lynching him, thou other people might be better.
Palmar Nothing out of the ordinary. Dead Null, Want Explainations
5. Shapelog has been completely nonconfrontational, meek, and unsure/wishy washy. It seems that players that pressure even slightly will cause Shapelog to give way. Examples:
On June 07 2016 06:36 Shapelog wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:33 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:31 Damdred wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:26 KelsierSC wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:26 Damdred wrote: ##Vote LightningStrike
Easy game
amazing
This amazing sheep could be yours if the price is right.
Come on down KEL! Put that vote down where you think is the correct path (pst its sheep damdred thats the game).
If you do this wonderful prize will be yours
*audience gasps*
A TOWN VICTORY!
Idk can't tell if serious or trolling me again. You probably are scum if you actually 100% serious with that.
Idk, Check Millionaire (cell).
I cannot remember how he acted there since it's been awhile, but I somewhat remember him be like this (he was scum.) And I never remember him being this jokey.
Though, some of that was with the mayor race so idk.
On June 07 2016 06:43 Shapelog wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:36 Shapelog wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:33 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:31 Damdred wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:26 KelsierSC wrote: [quote]
amazing
This amazing sheep could be yours if the price is right.
Come on down KEL! Put that vote down where you think is the correct path (pst its sheep damdred thats the game).
If you do this wonderful prize will be yours
*audience gasps*
A TOWN VICTORY!
Idk can't tell if serious or trolling me again. You probably are scum if you actually 100% serious with that.
Idk, Check Millionaire (cell).
I cannot remember how he acted there since it's been awhile, but I somewhat remember him be like this (he was scum.) And I never remember him being this jokey.
Though, some of that was with the mayor race so idk.
But meh.
(what is the point of that post even? it's a self reply!)
On June 07 2016 06:57 Shapelog wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:50 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:50 Shapelog wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:47 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:44 Shapelog wrote: [quote] I actually have just been playing total war rome 2 for obv. reasons >_>. Suggesting that the Codester would ever play a game with the word "Plague" in it is just to far.
I mean, I do have a nice rear, but how does that = that? I am so confused.
Paranoia is a symptom in that game lol.
Ah, well, I am suffering maybe from that because i find it fishy that:
On June 07 2016 06:48 wherebugsgo wrote: guys I got it figured out. Everyone who has posted so far is town.
##vote Palmar
happens, and 5 mins later
On June 07 2016 06:53 Palmar wrote: pls mister president i am innocent.
For both their entrance posts.
But gumshoe thought people for scum because of the fact they both posted at the same time, and one of them was vig (other town) so meh. Just really coincidental, or offchance planned.
I think I could keep going but I think I've said enough to show my point (and I want to see if other people see other things that I did not explicitly mention).
If anybody sees anything that causes them to think Shapelog is town, please point it out. There are a couple things that lead me to be a bit unsure but I'd be curious if anyone else notices them. Also if anyone thinks there is a better lynch, please provide one. I'll be around for a couple hours before the lynch is over and I will be able to catch up on the thread and vote but I won't be able to push anything beyond what I'm doing now.
This is a good post.
hmmm wtf
why did they both say this
confusion?
I'm awful at this game so maybe I'm just crazy, but the way I view it is that they both look much scummier for +1ing my post without really contributing anything of value or putting themselves on the line in any way.
From a scum perspective, they would know that the target I'm pushing is a townie. Let's say they're both scum, then it makes sense for them to say "yeah this is a good post" because they'd probably be fairly confident that it would have a good chance of leading to a wagon. When that wagon flips town they wouldn't be blamed for it, rather I would take the heat.
This fits particularly well with Rels=mafia because Rels was pushing tomahawk the whole time. From a Rels=mafia perspective I don't think he would have found it likely that tomahawk would have actually flipped, because people were unlikely to kill a newbie. However he couldn't have anticipated Shapelog being doctor and then claiming close to the deadline, which caused the wagon to rapidly flip to tomahawk. For me this exposed a lot about Rels because it became readily obvious that he wasn't trying to figure out the game. What are Rels's reads beyond "I think the newbie is scum because only newbie scum do this thing that tomahawk did"? From skimming his town games it at least seems like he tries to figure out the game. I don't see that here.
On June 10 2016 10:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote: hi! What did I miss?
not much, other than you're scum. and VE dies today.
My role PM disagrees with your assertion.
yeah well that's something scum would say.
you're scum. Tell us your reads, at least you won't be dying today. You have some opportunity to prove you're not scum, even though you actually are.
I literally replaced into the game 5 minutes ago so I have no idea. Also not scum.
okay, here's your first assignment.
Read the game, and tell me what you think of:
1. Rels 2. VE
When you come back, if I disagree with your assessments and if I'm still alive I'm going to kill you tomorrow.
Reading the game sounds tremendously boring though if that string of quotes from earlier is any indication of its contents. Seems like a pretty meh idea.
I figure I'll read the game from here on out and see what people do. I tend to be better at analyzing whilst in the thread rather than looking back and seeing if things feel unnatural or not.
Not liking your whole lining up lynches thing you've got going though.
well, you play it our way or you die. pretty simple. You're lined up as the next lynch, so I'm not surprised that you don't like it.
On June 10 2016 11:04 LightningStrike wrote: FYI VE is still scum independant of Damdred's or Lex's alignments.
yea that's true, but we can give him extra time and see if he decides to come back. I figure if VE is actually town, him seeing us kill scum will jog his willingness to play and he'll come back. If not then whatever, he's gonna die anyway.
btw I find it exceedingly strange that one of the only times that VE came back to the thread and responded to someone was when Rels asked him about Tumble and Palmar.
This post:
On June 09 2016 17:43 Rels wrote: VE, your read on Tumble and on Palmar please ?
is immediately followed by this post:
On June 09 2016 18:36 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm actually fine with Palmar all of a sudden. It's the strangest thing. XD I would have killed him yesterday, but now I think he's town. Maybe it's because I still don't believe Damdred's claim and he was still on Damdred with me. AFK maybe, but probably not. He despises D1 claims.+ Show Spoiler +
Damdred's claim was shit. Like...he didn't act like a Tracker the whole game, he seemed completely divested from the game, which has only been made worse SINCE his claim. I don't know about you, but when I am a role and I claim it under duress, I have a reaction. A hard one. Damdred had no reaction.
Like I said - I've seen Palmar play awfully on D1 before, even recently. Honestly I'm gonna have to see what he does between now and tomorrow, if he dies, etc.
I'm not sure about Tumble. I'm having a hard time getting motivated, to be honest. I don't even want to read his super short filter because I know the whole thing just says "Lynch VE" over and over. Same thing with Koshi - I don't even want to try and read Koshi right now.
Also his first post into the game:
On June 07 2016 17:34 VisceraEyes wrote: Hi boys I'm town. I've skimmed and so far I'm not really comfortable calling anyone anything with any certainty, though based on the way bugs and Palmar have interacted I'd say I think they are at least not mafia together. I have a few light townreads, but nothing worth sharing at this time. Will do a more thorough reading later on, but for now I like this D1. Lots of inquisitive people, I don't think much bullshit is gonna fly.
Did he actually, though? He really hesitated in moving his vote off Kelsier which is really strange, since townies usually have no problem moving their votes around. This is especially true of VE, given that the one word I'd use to characterize VE's town play is "erratic".
On June 10 2016 11:09 LightningStrike wrote: The thing is bugs is that this play isn't outside of lex's wheel house for scum play because he claimed Cop in a pretty much open setup for scum and he got lynched for that because the real cop cc'd him.
If we lynch the incorrect person today whatever, we'll get the right person the next time. It shouldn't matter to the townie if they're on the receiving side of the lynch anyway. It's not like the game gets that much harder.
also I'm biased but I find his claim more believable since he said there was a track on me. Why would he do that as scum? Like, he'd be willing to sacrifice himself just to potentially get me as a townie heavily suspected or lynched later (with no control over whether people decide to lynch me on the association)? Doesn't quite make sense, and the far simpler answer here is that he is actually the real tracker.
If he's not the tracker and he's fake claiming then it's an awful play and he'll get punished for it in the next cycle.
On June 10 2016 11:25 LightningStrike wrote: Do I lynch Damdred who Lex decides to cc but it not outside of his wheel house for his scum play? Do I lynch VE who I strongly believe is scum for his reaction of me voting him? Hmm.
how is this even a question.
you lynch into Damdred's slot because prior to his claim everyone thought he was scum and the CC makes no sense from a scum perspective (especially given the fact that artanis provided a check).
VE is probably scum but he's not confirmed scum. Damdred is almost certianly scum, but even if he isn't, by killing him we'll get a confirmed scum.
btw if Damdred flips scum, it makes tumble basically confirmed town IMO.
When Shape claimed doc tumble basically immediately switched to Damdred. If Tumble were on the scumteam with Damdred he almost certainly wouldn't switch to Damdred so fast, and in addition probably wouldn't be so slow to realize that Damdred claimed tracker. i.e. this post wouldn't happen IMO (emphasis mine, this post comes after him switching his vote to Damdred):
On June 09 2016 06:48 Tumblewood wrote: Thoughts: Rels pls Everyone else pls Going 0/5 on shape When did Damdred claim I get to move all my bubble scums up to regular scum (watch out rels/ve) Blech
On June 10 2016 12:22 sicklucker wrote: i sapose ksc was not around to cc dandred... but who would replace out of a game when your gonna cc someone and be confirmed town?
who knows? He didn't vote, and we don't know what was happening BTS. For all we know the hosts could have just decided to replace him anyway.
On June 10 2016 13:32 Damdred wrote: Eh tumble is a mixed bag, I'm kind of trying not to read him as I'm horrible at it
One thing that bothers me is how he's avoiding answering if he's the tracker or not. Instead he asks who I track trying to discredit me slightly in that regard. Never really comes back and I'm cc shortly after.
Maybe scum team was trying to figure out who was going to cc me.
Thats conjecture he's in the maybe scum pile doesn't have much interactions with Kel to much really. And Kel has him in the sort of ignore pile like you would put a scum buddy who replaced in. Interesting. Conjecture though
if you are town...
no wonder you're were a lynch wagon, nothing you say makes any sense whatsoever.
If artanis is scum I don't understand that play whatsoever. It's like one of the worst moves a scum can make in that situation.
You replace in and 5 minutes into the game you read that someone claimed tracker, so you cc them? As scum he had literally 72+ hours of a headstart which he could have used to just make himself look really townish but instead he decided to kill himself?
That doesn't make any sense at all. There is no doctor. There is literally nothing stopping scum from just outright killing the tracker. It buys scum nothing.
There is literally no reason for a scum to CC there.
On June 10 2016 14:18 sicklucker wrote: if art is mafia the way ve's day went by makes him probably his partner so art/rels/ve. The cc was very convenient ifor ve's life expectancy. as scum or town he had given up.
but this cc MAKES ON SENSE IF ves town. because why the fuck would mafia go for a 1for 1 trade when ve was an auto lynch
what the hell does buying VE another day do if artanis is scum? VE is not even playing the game. It would be better for scum for VE to CC if they are going to do stupid shit.
Like I don't understand why I am still arguing this, but in the back of my mind given the quality of this game I wouldn't be surprised if these shit plays are actually happening.
On June 10 2016 14:21 Tumblewood wrote: hm damn I might have to reconsider I don't wanna deal with cc wars right now I'm going to sleep and when I wake up I'll see what everyone's agreed on and sheep that or something ##unvote ##vote visceraeyes
On June 10 2016 14:16 wherebugsgo wrote: If artanis is scum I don't understand that play whatsoever. It's like one of the worst moves a scum can make in that situation.
You replace in and 5 minutes into the game you read that someone claimed tracker, so you cc them? As scum he had literally 72+ hours of a headstart which he could have used to just make himself look really townish but instead he decided to kill himself?
That doesn't make any sense at all. There is no doctor. There is literally nothing stopping scum from just outright killing the tracker. It buys scum nothing.
There is literally no reason for a scum to CC there.
ya thats true... how fast did he cc from when he was replaced? It seems like something you would at least want to discuss with his new scum team if he entered the game as scum
it was like literally 10 or 15 minutes.
On June 10 2016 10:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote: hi! What did I miss?
On June 10 2016 10:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Hold on Damdred claimed tracker? ##Vote Damdred
On June 10 2016 14:18 sicklucker wrote: if art is mafia the way ve's day went by makes him probably his partner so art/rels/ve. The cc was very convenient ifor ve's life expectancy. as scum or town he had given up.
but this cc MAKES ON SENSE IF ves town. because why the fuck would mafia go for a 1for 1 trade when ve was an auto lynch
what the hell does buying VE another day do if artanis is scum? VE is not even playing the game. It would be better for scum for VE to CC if they are going to do stupid shit.
Like I don't understand why I am still arguing this, but in the back of my mind given the quality of this game I wouldn't be surprised if these shit plays are actually happening.
well if they are a team it seems like art calmed him down into trying with the claim. Ve is trying now. If art didnt cc its very likely ve would have continued not trying seeing all the votes against him after he self voted
wtf???
If he wanted to convince VE to keep playing why wouldn't he do that in their QT??
like your logic makes 0 sense. I don't understand how you can actually think this
On June 10 2016 14:18 sicklucker wrote: if art is mafia the way ve's day went by makes him probably his partner so art/rels/ve. The cc was very convenient ifor ve's life expectancy. as scum or town he had given up.
but this cc MAKES ON SENSE IF ves town. because why the fuck would mafia go for a 1for 1 trade when ve was an auto lynch
what the hell does buying VE another day do if artanis is scum? VE is not even playing the game. It would be better for scum for VE to CC if they are going to do stupid shit.
Like I don't understand why I am still arguing this, but in the back of my mind given the quality of this game I wouldn't be surprised if these shit plays are actually happening.
well if they are a team it seems like art calmed him down into trying with the claim. Ve is trying now. If art didnt cc its very likely ve would have continued not trying seeing all the votes against him after he self voted
wtf???
If he wanted to convince VE to keep playing why wouldn't he do that in their QT??
like your logic makes 0 sense. I don't understand how you can actually think this
yes thats where this conversation would have happened. and since art entered the game ve seems to be trying again. There is association here man thats all im saying
THEN WHY WOULD HE CC
okay, this is really not that hard, but I feel like I'm going to get a brain hemorrhage if I have to explain this one more time.
Put yourself in Artanis's shoes. Pretend you have just replaced into the game and you get the role PM that you are scum.
You're catching up on the thread, you've spent a couple minutes reading backwards. Since Day just ended you see that someone claimed tracker. And you see that someone claimed doctor and your team shot them last night. You know that it's an open setup, so there can be no other town power roles.
So, instead of just killing the claimed tracker on n2, you decide to counter claim him, KNOWING THAT IT WILL RESULT IN YOUR OWN DEATH.
And you're telling me you think he did that, just because that play somehow convinces his teammate to keep trying?
If that happened on my scum team I would be more likely to continue to not play than be convinced I should try, because that is literally the dumbest thing any scum teammate could do. I would be so demoralized that the first player in that slot fucked off and didn't do anything and was replaced by a complete idiot who decided to kill himself within the first 10 minutes of him joining the game.
On June 10 2016 14:39 Damdred wrote: Also if Ve is going down and won't cc art cc me nets them a ml and they need two. If Ve is the RB art/Kel was next anyway they have to kill me and the last scum needs 3 ml which is harder than 2.
this doesn't add up because there would have been a whole 72+ hours before anyone would bother voting for Artanis.
He'd have had plenty of time to make himself look town and contribute.
On June 10 2016 14:36 Damdred wrote: Like maybe lynching ve is the correct move if this is a play to save the RB which might be Ve. It would force mafia to kill the real tracker and then you Lynch the cc that survives the night.
If they both survive they get a free track and town gains info at the flip
I actually have no problem with doing this besides the fact that technically it isn't the correct play.
The reason for that is because VE is not actually confirmed to be scum. He's pretty likely to be, IMO, based on just eliminating possibilities, but we could still be completely wrong and have the scum be in like LS/tumble or some other garbage like that.
Palmar, what do you think? Should we kill VE or Damdred today?
On June 10 2016 14:50 Damdred wrote: Lol bugs you really gotta work on that tunnel thing if your town. Arts flipping scum and you won't even consider him tbh.
it's not a tunnel it's fucking occam's razor. the cc makes no sense whatsoever.
like if artanis actually did that as scum it is a god awful play. He'd only do it if he absolutely hates playing scum (which he very well might). That play is almost entirely contrary to scum win condition.
I honestly don't think VE is scum at this point... he could be, like Palmar said, but I kinda doubt it.
Rels very well could be scum, his read progression has made no sense. If Rels is scum the last one is between Tumble, LS, and maybe Koshi. But the last two I'm more convinced are just awful and not scum.
Artanis already explained, and it makes complete sense. He told me he wasn't going to read the whole game and I actually believed he wouldn't; made him look pretty townie since no mafia would just come out and admit that. I asked him to read Rels and VE since I wanted to gauge further whether his opinions this game would be worth anything.
Given that it was the middle of the night EU time I'm surprised he was even around, but he immediately came back and CCed.
Also you guys saying "oh but hurr he didn't know about the doctor how could he be town" are jumping to the opposite of the expected conclusion. The only way he wouldn't know about the doctor is if he were town, BECAUSE SCUM SHOT THE DOCTOR.
You would think that scum shooting the doctor would be a big enough deal that Artanis would see it in the QT before the thread if he was scum.
If you are town and legitimately believe that Artanis is scum, which some of you apparently do because it's more than 3 people, get a coffee, open up your eyes, click on my filter, read my posts, then sit down and let your brains digest the thing called logic that I use, and then come back when you are ready to play for real instead of derping around.
On June 11 2016 00:59 Rels wrote: WBG what read progression made no sense ?
Sorry, I don't explain things to scum.
In the off chance that you are not scum, you could prove it to me by having half decent, reasoned reads. As in not the bullshit you pulled d1 to get a newbie killed, and not the bullshit you are pulling now to get Artanis killed.
Tell me, ignoring Damdred and Artanis who else is scum and why?
On June 11 2016 00:59 Rels wrote: WBG what read progression made no sense ?
Sorry, I don't explain things to scum.
In the off chance that you are not scum, you could prove it to me by having half decent, reasoned reads. As in not the bullshit you pulled d1 to get a newbie killed, and not the bullshit you are pulling now to get Artanis killed.
Tell me, ignoring Damdred and Artanis who else is scum and why?
Don't know. I skimmed everything since the day started so I can't answer. That will come in a few hours. If you want a normal answer, Palmar for being useless + not caring around EOD1, VE for being useless and making bad posts, you for not being smart. The bullshit I used to get a newbie killed was good, the bullshit you userd to try to get the doctor killed was not.
Yeah, you're scum.
I should have switched my vote to Damdred as I said, you repeatedly not seeing this (and why I am town) makes you either exceedingly bad or just scum. You're so all-in and rigid on your initial opinions that you're very unlikely to be town. Your reads are unreasoned, and the only reason anyone would think you are town is your bold attitude and the number of posts you make, both of which we've established are not alignment indicative for you because you do that as scum as well.
On June 11 2016 10:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Hihi, popping in real quick before bed. If you have any questions before deadline and you're not going to be there before 14:30 GMT (+00:00) now is the time to ask since I'll be away playing an improv theater match (and dinner) until past deadline.
Will do some stuff tomorrow morning, just letting US folks know.
What came from your reading into VE and Rels? Who do you think is scum now?
On June 12 2016 03:22 sicklucker wrote: I think there is valid points for both to be scum so plz keep the bad retard comments to the low
there are pretty much 0 valid points for artanis being scum, we've gone over this dozens of times. If you are town and cannot see this, then yes, you are bad.
I went and reread a bunch of stuff and (assuming Damdred is scum) I'm reasonably confident that we only need to lynch into 3 players to hit the remaining 2 scum after Damdred. The votes and the claim behaviour I think allows us to solve the game. The only coin flip is the one player that never believed Damdred's claim, which is why there are 3 players I think and not 2.
On June 12 2016 06:28 LightningStrike wrote: Lex just die you are 100% mafia no way you would get notified about going somewhere as a wanderer.
I'm not gonna die for at least 71.5 hours though, and I'll use it to clear my name. I challenge anyone to counterclaim my wanderer claim. I dare you. If no one CC's I'm basically still confirmed town.
On June 12 2016 06:28 LightningStrike wrote: Lex just die you are 100% mafia no way you would get notified about going somewhere as a wanderer.
I'm not gonna die for at least 71.5 hours though, and I'll use it to clear my name. I challenge anyone to counterclaim my wanderer claim. I dare you. If no one CC's I'm basically still confirmed town.
I'll cc you on that. I'm a wandering townie
How did you know did Damdred PM you or something illegally?
On June 12 2016 06:28 LightningStrike wrote: Lex just die you are 100% mafia no way you would get notified about going somewhere as a wanderer.
I'm not gonna die for at least 71.5 hours though, and I'll use it to clear my name. I challenge anyone to counterclaim my wanderer claim. I dare you. If no one CC's I'm basically still confirmed town.
I'll cc you on that. I'm a wandering townie
Confirmed scum. Rels/WBG/LS I'm calling it right here.
rofl I actually think it is Rels and LS scum together
to be fair to Palmar though, if he's town this is exactly what I would have expected. He went through the same reasoning I did when I saw the Artanis claim. If he had done anything differently that would be really suspicious.
However since he did it after I publicly pointed out he gets no credit for it. He could still very well be scum.
On June 12 2016 06:28 LightningStrike wrote: Lex just die you are 100% mafia no way you would get notified about going somewhere as a wanderer.
I'm not gonna die for at least 71.5 hours though, and I'll use it to clear my name. I challenge anyone to counterclaim my wanderer claim. I dare you. If no one CC's I'm basically still confirmed town.
Oh please there is a reason why wandering townies aren't aware. No one wold get a wandering townie pm.
Tumble is not very likely to be scum I don't think, koshi, SL, chezinu look okay to me also but it's kinda sad that I'm not really that confident on anybody there.
On June 12 2016 06:49 wherebugsgo wrote: yea I think LS stands a pretty good chance of being scum
Bitch please Damdred is good at reading me and he said I was town and I now trying to take over his place. You been shit this game just follow me.
follow you? who the fuck even knows what your reads are?
I've been trying to get people to comment on shit, if you're town I would have expected you to actually try having a convo with me.
The only reason I don't feel particularly bad about it is because I never called on you directly and most everyone else is also ignoring me, so whatever.
On June 12 2016 06:52 wherebugsgo wrote: ignoring artanis I think Rels is certainly scum.
So for the last scum it's a tossup between:
LS, VE, Palmar
Tumble is not very likely to be scum I don't think, koshi, SL, chezinu look okay to me also but it's kinda sad that I'm not really that confident on anybody there.
We lynching VE regardless after Lex. I not letting you guys go anywhere else.
you're pretty awful at convincing people if you're town. It doesn't matter if you are correct if you can't convince people.
Rels IMO is more likely to be scum than VE. He's not trying to figure the game out at all. Do you actually think Rels is town?
On June 12 2016 06:53 Koshi wrote: It is quite obvious all mafia awee on damdred.
Ls is never mafia and played well. Sicklucker we cant lynch anymire because he played well as mafia. TW is town but had a weak moment but w.e. Wbg is a full blown retard and is a great example why americans are the joke of the universe. Rare to see somebody so obnoxious and retarded at the same time. Quite the accomplishment. Oh well. This d2 will be a good reread later. Amazing the post this fucktard made.
Ve is mafia or really fuckibg horseshit. But he can be horseshit so who the fuck knows. 50/50. Palmar same. But he is a good player so 100% mafia.
Rels probably not mafia but if ve is not mafia rels is.
On June 12 2016 06:49 wherebugsgo wrote: yea I think LS stands a pretty good chance of being scum
Bitch please Damdred is good at reading me and he said I was town and I now trying to take over his place. You been shit this game just follow me.
follow you? who the fuck even knows what your reads are?
I've been trying to get people to comment on shit, if you're town I would have expected you to actually try having a convo with me.
The only reason I don't feel particularly bad about it is because I never called on you directly and most everyone else is also ignoring me, so whatever.
Dude you shut me down when I tried to talk to you so I returned the favor when you wanted to talk to people. I gave my scumreads in a lynch list.
??
why don't we talk now then. Why is VE more likely to be scum over Rels?
On June 12 2016 06:52 wherebugsgo wrote: ignoring artanis I think Rels is certainly scum.
So for the last scum it's a tossup between:
LS, VE, Palmar
Tumble is not very likely to be scum I don't think, koshi, SL, chezinu look okay to me also but it's kinda sad that I'm not really that confident on anybody there.
We lynching VE regardless after Lex. I not letting you guys go anywhere else.
you're pretty awful at convincing people if you're town. It doesn't matter if you are correct if you can't convince people.
Rels IMO is more likely to be scum than VE. He's not trying to figure the game out at all. Do you actually think Rels is town?
I got rels as a poe scum with him sl and palmar as my last 3 mafia.
the outcome of that play does not change the fact that it was awful.
It just speaks to how much Artanis hates playing scum, that he would actually just willingly kill himself like that. Pretty easy going forward though, just kill Artanis whenever he claims.
On June 12 2016 06:49 wherebugsgo wrote: yea I think LS stands a pretty good chance of being scum
Bitch please Damdred is good at reading me and he said I was town and I now trying to take over his place. You been shit this game just follow me.
follow you? who the fuck even knows what your reads are?
I've been trying to get people to comment on shit, if you're town I would have expected you to actually try having a convo with me.
The only reason I don't feel particularly bad about it is because I never called on you directly and most everyone else is also ignoring me, so whatever.
Dude you shut me down when I tried to talk to you so I returned the favor when you wanted to talk to people. I gave my scumreads in a lynch list.
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why don't we talk now then. Why is VE more likely to be scum over Rels?
VE never as town voted himself espcally in games where I was town with him and in Gaiden 2 which I wasn't in but I had checked his filter there and boom he did vote himself that game when he was facing pressure from JAT. Also he didn't do shit under pressure instead he would rather let himself die over trying to do shit to help town which 180 degrees different from the VE I remember playing Office Mini.
I actually think the self-vote is the least alignment-indicative thing VE has done all game. He tends to go and rage and "quit" the game as town. If he's only done the self-vote once it's pretty hard to say that is the reason he is scum.
However I don't really disagree with you, I think VE is scum too. I just think Rels is more likely to be scum than VE is.
wouldn't it be nice, though, if that were the game?
Lynch artanis, VE & Rels. Game over? I think we might be missing something that is pointing to one of Rels/VE being town and I think it makes more sense for VE to be town than Rels to be town.
On June 12 2016 06:47 wherebugsgo wrote: can you answer my question about VE please?
pulling reads out of you this game has been so painful that I'm starting to think you are scum.
i did answer you
yea, just noticed it. I think I missed that post.
Let's entertain VE being town (and I do agree with Rels being scum for the attack on the newbie, among other things). If VE is town, what do we do with Chezinu, Tumble, etc?
On June 12 2016 07:06 wherebugsgo wrote: wouldn't it be nice, though, if that were the game?
Lynch artanis, VE & Rels. Game over? I think we might be missing something that is pointing to one of Rels/VE being town and I think it makes more sense for VE to be town than Rels to be town.
Are you so fucking dense?? Relaly are you actually braindead?
Artanis and palmar are lock mafia. After that it is a toss up between rrls ve and maybe chez.
On June 12 2016 07:03 wherebugsgo wrote: the outcome of that play does not change the fact that it was awful.
It just speaks to how much Artanis hates playing scum, that he would actually just willingly kill himself like that. Pretty easy going forward though, just kill Artanis whenever he claims.
Hahahahahhahahaha
No the play was good because retards believe it.
I told you the play as soon as I read it.
Vut you are too fucking vraindead to see it. Or even understand it when explained to you.
yes, I'm too braindead to see why a scum would kill themselves 5 minutes after replacing into the game.
Cool story bro. Maybe I really need to be a shitty scum player to understand why someone would make such a shitty scum play.
I don't feel bad about being wrong, because regardless we end up getting a free scum kill.
On June 12 2016 07:06 wherebugsgo wrote: wouldn't it be nice, though, if that were the game?
Lynch artanis, VE & Rels. Game over? I think we might be missing something that is pointing to one of Rels/VE being town and I think it makes more sense for VE to be town than Rels to be town.
Are you so fucking dense?? Relaly are you actually braindead?
Artanis and palmar are lock mafia. After that it is a toss up between rrls ve and maybe chez.
Sicklucker became untouchable.
What makes Palmar mafia?
Why should i explain anything to a braindead fuck that doesnt understand artanis was obvious mafia.
On June 12 2016 07:03 wherebugsgo wrote: the outcome of that play does not change the fact that it was awful.
It just speaks to how much Artanis hates playing scum, that he would actually just willingly kill himself like that. Pretty easy going forward though, just kill Artanis whenever he claims.
Hahahahahhahahaha
No the play was good because retards believe it.
I told you the play as soon as I read it.
Vut you are too fucking vraindead to see it. Or even understand it when explained to you.
yes, I'm too braindead to see why a scum would kill themselves 5 minutes after replacing into the game.
Cool story bro. Maybe I really need to be a shitty scum player to understand why someone would make such a shitty scum play.
I don't feel bad about being wrong, because regardless we end up getting a free scum kill.
You dont get a free kill retard . You lost a ml. 2/3 ml gone because you are a vraindead fuck that doesnt understand the game.
You're blaming me for the day 1 lynch? rofl.
Also if you don't remember, I thought Kelsier was scum coming into d2, when literally no one else did. Nice that you conveniently forgot that.
On June 12 2016 07:33 Koshi wrote: Nha. I dont need to win this game. I am not solcing a game in which 3 mafia and at least 2 maybe 3 total braindead town fucks remain in.
On June 12 2016 07:03 wherebugsgo wrote: the outcome of that play does not change the fact that it was awful.
It just speaks to how much Artanis hates playing scum, that he would actually just willingly kill himself like that. Pretty easy going forward though, just kill Artanis whenever he claims.
Hahahahahhahahaha
No the play was good because retards believe it.
I told you the play as soon as I read it.
Vut you are too fucking vraindead to see it. Or even understand it when explained to you.
yes, I'm too braindead to see why a scum would kill themselves 5 minutes after replacing into the game.
Cool story bro. Maybe I really need to be a shitty scum player to understand why someone would make such a shitty scum play.
I don't feel bad about being wrong, because regardless we end up getting a free scum kill.
You dont get a free kill retard . You lost a ml. 2/3 ml gone because you are a vraindead fuck that doesnt understand the game.
You're blaming me for the day 1 lynch? rofl.
Also if you don't remember, I thought Kelsier was scum coming into d2, when literally no one else did. Nice that you conveniently forgot that.
Retarded and dilusional. Nice.
ROFL
On June 09 2016 20:40 Koshi wrote: Oh and Kelsier is really certain town.
On June 09 2016 21:34 Koshi wrote: sicklucker would be the mafia that is playing really really well.
On June 12 2016 13:21 VisceraEyes wrote: Is up to the hosts now. Koshi is modkilled or VE is.
if you're town, don't do this.
this game is hard and it's gonna bring out raw emotions in people. I know I am pretty annoyed with this game given how nothing seems to make sense so I'm not all that surprised that there are other people who are just as (if not even more) pissed off. Imagine if Koshi is town and no one is being convinced of his interpretation of game events (and some of them end up being correct) it's not all that surprising that he would be really angry.
Yeah I'll take back what I said. If you feel that strongly about it then I think it's probably best that this is resolved with a bit of host intervention. Dunno if we need to go as far as modkills (maybe just warnings) but I empathize with limiting toxicity. (I'm one to talk, really...)
I think Rels should still be the kill after Palmar.
Assuming VE ends up posting his thoughts and they remotely make sense the last scum is possibly Palmar. I doubt it's Chezinu due to his reactions about his votes not being counted. That's honestly the only reason I have to read Chezinu as town.
LS could also be scum, his play this game has been a bit strange to me. I haven't really read into him much though. Maybe if I get some time in an hour I'll dig around again.
On June 21 2016 07:14 Koshi wrote: Well I am very sorry about that modkill that lost town a ml but townies being full retarded also lost us a ml and knowing Palmar was still not lynched made it unsalvable anyway.
I'll eat the ban and probably be calmer next games till I can't take it anymore.
Good job on FF for the modkill. It was correct. Good hosting.
Koshi, ignore all the trolling I did in game, it was mostly for strategical purposes (calling you bad after your death).
You really, really need to learn to adjust your tone and message. You have three objectives as town and you're probably the best player on TL Mafia at one of them (not getting lynched), and you're definitely good at the second one (finding mafia, excellent job this game). But you truly suck at the third pillar of good town play which is convincing town organize around your ideas and do as you say.
I know it's super tempting to just blame it on "well they're bad, they should listen to me", but this is the most underrated skill in mafia. No one just comes in and has immediate sway over the way people play, it takes time and it takes touch. You have to read every single player to understand what arguments or encouragements they might respond to. Some people you have to abuse, others you have to hold their hand while they get there.
And yes, I know it's a bit hypocritical for me to talk about this because by now leading town comes very effortlessly to me, I'm playing behind a "big name" and people in general are going to pay attention to what I say, but that hasn't always been the case.
It's both the hardest skill to appreciate and the hardest skill to master.
I'm sounding all lecture-y here, so sorry about that, but it's been my agenda for years to help people understand and remember this very important part of playing this game.
I know what you are saying but it isn't part of my nature. I go balls to the wall every game and if I am wrong I am 100% wrong and I feel bad.
But when I am 100% correct and I have a fucking retarded fuck like WBG (who I respect as player and could play with again) call me bad a couple times in a nonchalant way (as in "I read a couple games of this Koshi character and he is genuinly bad so w.e) and then this fucking retarded shitter pushes mafia agenda like a cunt while there is a guy being 100% right in the thread and you are calling that guy bad then I explode.
I am too old to change and also unwilling. There is a reason I get banned on Dota every x months and running aroun with 9+ reports all the time.
I don't back down from retardation.
You are bad, end of story.
Note that says nothing about my play. I'm shit too, we all lost and deserve this loss.
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or you face a warning/modkill 
