On June 10 2016 10:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote: hi! What did I miss?
not much, other than you're scum. and VE dies today.
My role PM disagrees with your assertion.
yeah well that's something scum would say.
you're scum. Tell us your reads, at least you won't be dying today. You have some opportunity to prove you're not scum, even though you actually are.
I literally replaced into the game 5 minutes ago so I have no idea. Also not scum.
okay, here's your first assignment.
Read the game, and tell me what you think of:
1. Rels 2. VE
When you come back, if I disagree with your assessments and if I'm still alive I'm going to kill you tomorrow.
Reading the game sounds tremendously boring though if that string of quotes from earlier is any indication of its contents. Seems like a pretty meh idea.
I figure I'll read the game from here on out and see what people do. I tend to be better at analyzing whilst in the thread rather than looking back and seeing if things feel unnatural or not.
Not liking your whole lining up lynches thing you've got going though.
Well we murdering VE because he claimed scum the same way he did Gaiden 2 which he voted himself.
On June 10 2016 10:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote: hi! What did I miss?
not much, other than you're scum. and VE dies today.
My role PM disagrees with your assertion.
yeah well that's something scum would say.
you're scum. Tell us your reads, at least you won't be dying today. You have some opportunity to prove you're not scum, even though you actually are.
I literally replaced into the game 5 minutes ago so I have no idea. Also not scum.
okay, here's your first assignment.
Read the game, and tell me what you think of:
1. Rels 2. VE
When you come back, if I disagree with your assessments and if I'm still alive I'm going to kill you tomorrow.
Reading the game sounds tremendously boring though if that string of quotes from earlier is any indication of its contents. Seems like a pretty meh idea.
I figure I'll read the game from here on out and see what people do. I tend to be better at analyzing whilst in the thread rather than looking back and seeing if things feel unnatural or not.
Not liking your whole lining up lynches thing you've got going though.
Well we murdering VE because he claimed scum the same way he did Gaiden 2 which he voted himself.
Just checked the relevant stuff. Was tempted to call him town for martyring since I figure it's a town trait for VE but just checked that game out and you may be right.
On June 10 2016 10:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote: hi! What did I miss?
not much, other than you're scum. and VE dies today.
My role PM disagrees with your assertion.
yeah well that's something scum would say.
you're scum. Tell us your reads, at least you won't be dying today. You have some opportunity to prove you're not scum, even though you actually are.
I literally replaced into the game 5 minutes ago so I have no idea. Also not scum.
okay, here's your first assignment.
Read the game, and tell me what you think of:
1. Rels 2. VE
When you come back, if I disagree with your assessments and if I'm still alive I'm going to kill you tomorrow.
Reading the game sounds tremendously boring though if that string of quotes from earlier is any indication of its contents. Seems like a pretty meh idea.
I figure I'll read the game from here on out and see what people do. I tend to be better at analyzing whilst in the thread rather than looking back and seeing if things feel unnatural or not.
Not liking your whole lining up lynches thing you've got going though.
well, you play it our way or you die. pretty simple. You're lined up as the next lynch, so I'm not surprised that you don't like it.
On June 08 2016 15:13 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm going to ignore tomahawk for now because he's doing some incredibly stupid things but stupid != scum and I would prefer the certainty of a better lynch over lynching a newbie.
##unvote ##vote Shapelog
tl;dr of what follows: I won't be around much in the next 12 hours, but we should kill Shapelog. Shapelog is meek, nonconfrontational, says a lot but doesn't contribute anything, and is suspected by pretty much everyone. Best lynch we'll get today. Details follow.
I would ordinarily be annoyed with the number of noncontributors we have but I'm actually pretty happy with the state of my reads of those people who actually have posted. The process of elimination should become easier with a bit more time. With that said, since I probably won't be here to drive the lynch, I propose that we kill Shapelog today.
1. Pretty much everyone in the game has said that they are suspicious of Shape, but only one person has actually voted with those suspicions. This is often an indication that someone is just skating by, a pretty big scum trait, whereas people who very obviously stick out are generally not scum. I'm fairly certain we'd get a good amount of blowback to a lynch effort on Shapelog as well, which would be great, because I seriously doubt that the resistance would make Shapelog look better.
2. Shapelog constantly pratters on and on without seeming to actually contribute anything. Given that Shapelog has like 1/5 of this game's posts, you would think that it would be easy to figure out Shapelog's reads and thoughts on the game with a single read-through of the game. Yet, nothing has stuck out, and I cannot actually recall anything Shapelog has said of substance without going filter diving and detail hunting.
3. I found myself spotting a lot of posts of Shapelog's that are of the "I'm going to do X" or "hi I'm here" kind of thing. The self-focus is very strong, and not something that many townies do. Examples:
On June 08 2016 11:10 Shapelog wrote: Eh i am getting off
On June 08 2016 11:02 Shapelog wrote: Eh I skimmed LS filter and nothing stood out.
On June 08 2016 10:52 Shapelog wrote: Eh I guess I dive either Rels or LS now.
On June 08 2016 10:31 Shapelog wrote: Eh fuck it, I can screw around longer. Whats up peeps?
On June 08 2016 07:09 Shapelog wrote: I going to just grab a drink real quick, and try to read him.
On June 08 2016 08:22 Shapelog wrote:
On June 08 2016 08:17 sicklucker wrote:
On June 08 2016 06:44 Shapelog wrote: Oh yeah I skipped over this post.
On June 07 2016 10:11 sicklucker wrote: you ripped my yugioh cards and then backed down
Yeah, fuck your blue eyes,
Onto more serious matters, nothing is bothering me from you other than your fixation on me and nothing else (might of changed since this post.) You keep coming back and posting just to me, and not towards or on anything else in the thread. You have (remember at the time of this post) not made any apparent reads or thoughts on anyone else. Which kinda rubs me wrong, because that doesn't seem like something town should do. I mean yes, town can get tunneled, but you yourself said it was for bad reason's (me being cute) so you not really dead set in it.
After typing it out, it kinda bothers me more. But I think for now I going to actually catch up.
i literraly gave a reads list a few posts before this page dumbo
Yeah I found it after the Yugi card post the page afterward and posted about it.
and, next post, emphasis mine:
On June 08 2016 09:00 Shapelog wrote: I actually check damdred's filter and I am quite shocked that there is nothing hardly there. I would have expected him to do much more than what he currently is doing.
He has 2 reads that are based on something (Ls, and Kel) and 2 off the fly reads (me and Palmar) and all of them are town. There is also nothing heavily suggesting that he is looking at people being scum than
There are several others i'm curious about but not there yet
which is understandable I guess at the time of the post, but when comes back, I would like to know who rubbed him atm.
Other than that, I am surprised he has done nothing other than make jokes. He hasn't been on today either to post as well.
Wouldn't mind lynching maybe if he doesn't get his shit together.
Will now dive another person
Note that I could go back and find a dozen other posts with the exact same theme, but the idea here is that Shapelog spends a gigantic amount of time saying things like "I'm going to do X" which are incredibly self-focused and seem to just be intended at convincing the thread that useful things are being done.
4. Both of Shapelog's suspicion posts have been of the form "would not mind lynching", as opposed to the more towny approach of "I think this dude is scum, let me vote him and convince all of the rest of you why we should kill him." Shapelog's approach at least from my perspective has been more in the camp of "let me see what sticks by meekly calling a bunch of different people suspicious and then go with the flow".
On June 08 2016 09:00 Shapelog wrote: I actually check damdred's filter and I am quite shocked that there is nothing hardly there. I would have expected him to do much more than what he currently is doing.
He has 2 reads that are based on something (Ls, and Kel) and 2 off the fly reads (me and Palmar) and all of them are town. There is also nothing heavily suggesting that he is looking at people being scum than
There are several others i'm curious about but not there yet
which is understandable I guess at the time of the post, but when comes back, I would like to know who rubbed him atm.
Other than that, I am surprised he has done nothing other than make jokes. He hasn't been on today either to post as well.
Wouldn't mind lynching maybe if he doesn't get his shit together.
Will now dive another person
On June 08 2016 09:35 Shapelog wrote: Reads -bugs I just do not understand why he is focused so fucking much on Palmar, and nothing else. Infact, the small talk to LS, asking about my games, and Kwah introduction being silly, is all that he has done other than Palmar. 2 of which (LS talk and Kwah) doesn't seem to spark any read from him, and he never read the games to our knowledge.
So, most likely he is in love with Palmar, and after the game, will propose to him. Wouldn't mind lynching him, thou other people might be better.
Palmar Nothing out of the ordinary. Dead Null, Want Explainations
5. Shapelog has been completely nonconfrontational, meek, and unsure/wishy washy. It seems that players that pressure even slightly will cause Shapelog to give way. Examples:
On June 07 2016 06:36 Shapelog wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:33 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:31 Damdred wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:26 KelsierSC wrote: [quote]
amazing
This amazing sheep could be yours if the price is right.
Come on down KEL! Put that vote down where you think is the correct path (pst its sheep damdred thats the game).
If you do this wonderful prize will be yours
*audience gasps*
A TOWN VICTORY!
Idk can't tell if serious or trolling me again. You probably are scum if you actually 100% serious with that.
Idk, Check Millionaire (cell).
I cannot remember how he acted there since it's been awhile, but I somewhat remember him be like this (he was scum.) And I never remember him being this jokey.
Though, some of that was with the mayor race so idk.
On June 07 2016 06:43 Shapelog wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:36 Shapelog wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:33 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:31 Damdred wrote: [quote]
This amazing sheep could be yours if the price is right.
Come on down KEL! Put that vote down where you think is the correct path (pst its sheep damdred thats the game).
If you do this wonderful prize will be yours
*audience gasps*
A TOWN VICTORY!
Idk can't tell if serious or trolling me again. You probably are scum if you actually 100% serious with that.
Idk, Check Millionaire (cell).
I cannot remember how he acted there since it's been awhile, but I somewhat remember him be like this (he was scum.) And I never remember him being this jokey.
Though, some of that was with the mayor race so idk.
But meh.
(what is the point of that post even? it's a self reply!)
On June 07 2016 06:57 Shapelog wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:50 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:50 Shapelog wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:47 LightningStrike wrote: [quote] And you ruined the joke I was referencing
I mean, I do have a nice rear, but how does that = that? I am so confused.
Paranoia is a symptom in that game lol.
Ah, well, I am suffering maybe from that because i find it fishy that:
On June 07 2016 06:48 wherebugsgo wrote: guys I got it figured out. Everyone who has posted so far is town.
##vote Palmar
happens, and 5 mins later
On June 07 2016 06:53 Palmar wrote: pls mister president i am innocent.
For both their entrance posts.
But gumshoe thought people for scum because of the fact they both posted at the same time, and one of them was vig (other town) so meh. Just really coincidental, or offchance planned.
I think I could keep going but I think I've said enough to show my point (and I want to see if other people see other things that I did not explicitly mention).
If anybody sees anything that causes them to think Shapelog is town, please point it out. There are a couple things that lead me to be a bit unsure but I'd be curious if anyone else notices them. Also if anyone thinks there is a better lynch, please provide one. I'll be around for a couple hours before the lynch is over and I will be able to catch up on the thread and vote but I won't be able to push anything beyond what I'm doing now.
This is a really good post.
On June 08 2016 23:39 Rels wrote:
On June 08 2016 15:13 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm going to ignore tomahawk for now because he's doing some incredibly stupid things but stupid != scum and I would prefer the certainty of a better lynch over lynching a newbie.
##unvote ##vote Shapelog
tl;dr of what follows: I won't be around much in the next 12 hours, but we should kill Shapelog. Shapelog is meek, nonconfrontational, says a lot but doesn't contribute anything, and is suspected by pretty much everyone. Best lynch we'll get today. Details follow.
I would ordinarily be annoyed with the number of noncontributors we have but I'm actually pretty happy with the state of my reads of those people who actually have posted. The process of elimination should become easier with a bit more time. With that said, since I probably won't be here to drive the lynch, I propose that we kill Shapelog today.
1. Pretty much everyone in the game has said that they are suspicious of Shape, but only one person has actually voted with those suspicions. This is often an indication that someone is just skating by, a pretty big scum trait, whereas people who very obviously stick out are generally not scum. I'm fairly certain we'd get a good amount of blowback to a lynch effort on Shapelog as well, which would be great, because I seriously doubt that the resistance would make Shapelog look better.
2. Shapelog constantly pratters on and on without seeming to actually contribute anything. Given that Shapelog has like 1/5 of this game's posts, you would think that it would be easy to figure out Shapelog's reads and thoughts on the game with a single read-through of the game. Yet, nothing has stuck out, and I cannot actually recall anything Shapelog has said of substance without going filter diving and detail hunting.
3. I found myself spotting a lot of posts of Shapelog's that are of the "I'm going to do X" or "hi I'm here" kind of thing. The self-focus is very strong, and not something that many townies do. Examples:
On June 08 2016 11:10 Shapelog wrote: Eh i am getting off
On June 08 2016 11:02 Shapelog wrote: Eh I skimmed LS filter and nothing stood out.
On June 08 2016 10:52 Shapelog wrote: Eh I guess I dive either Rels or LS now.
On June 08 2016 10:31 Shapelog wrote: Eh fuck it, I can screw around longer. Whats up peeps?
On June 08 2016 07:09 Shapelog wrote: I going to just grab a drink real quick, and try to read him.
On June 08 2016 08:22 Shapelog wrote:
On June 08 2016 08:17 sicklucker wrote:
On June 08 2016 06:44 Shapelog wrote: Oh yeah I skipped over this post.
On June 07 2016 10:11 sicklucker wrote: you ripped my yugioh cards and then backed down
Yeah, fuck your blue eyes,
Onto more serious matters, nothing is bothering me from you other than your fixation on me and nothing else (might of changed since this post.) You keep coming back and posting just to me, and not towards or on anything else in the thread. You have (remember at the time of this post) not made any apparent reads or thoughts on anyone else. Which kinda rubs me wrong, because that doesn't seem like something town should do. I mean yes, town can get tunneled, but you yourself said it was for bad reason's (me being cute) so you not really dead set in it.
After typing it out, it kinda bothers me more. But I think for now I going to actually catch up.
i literraly gave a reads list a few posts before this page dumbo
Yeah I found it after the Yugi card post the page afterward and posted about it.
and, next post, emphasis mine:
On June 08 2016 09:00 Shapelog wrote: I actually check damdred's filter and I am quite shocked that there is nothing hardly there. I would have expected him to do much more than what he currently is doing.
He has 2 reads that are based on something (Ls, and Kel) and 2 off the fly reads (me and Palmar) and all of them are town. There is also nothing heavily suggesting that he is looking at people being scum than
There are several others i'm curious about but not there yet
which is understandable I guess at the time of the post, but when comes back, I would like to know who rubbed him atm.
Other than that, I am surprised he has done nothing other than make jokes. He hasn't been on today either to post as well.
Wouldn't mind lynching maybe if he doesn't get his shit together.
Will now dive another person
Note that I could go back and find a dozen other posts with the exact same theme, but the idea here is that Shapelog spends a gigantic amount of time saying things like "I'm going to do X" which are incredibly self-focused and seem to just be intended at convincing the thread that useful things are being done.
4. Both of Shapelog's suspicion posts have been of the form "would not mind lynching", as opposed to the more towny approach of "I think this dude is scum, let me vote him and convince all of the rest of you why we should kill him." Shapelog's approach at least from my perspective has been more in the camp of "let me see what sticks by meekly calling a bunch of different people suspicious and then go with the flow".
On June 08 2016 09:00 Shapelog wrote: I actually check damdred's filter and I am quite shocked that there is nothing hardly there. I would have expected him to do much more than what he currently is doing.
He has 2 reads that are based on something (Ls, and Kel) and 2 off the fly reads (me and Palmar) and all of them are town. There is also nothing heavily suggesting that he is looking at people being scum than
There are several others i'm curious about but not there yet
which is understandable I guess at the time of the post, but when comes back, I would like to know who rubbed him atm.
Other than that, I am surprised he has done nothing other than make jokes. He hasn't been on today either to post as well.
Wouldn't mind lynching maybe if he doesn't get his shit together.
Will now dive another person
On June 08 2016 09:35 Shapelog wrote: Reads -bugs I just do not understand why he is focused so fucking much on Palmar, and nothing else. Infact, the small talk to LS, asking about my games, and Kwah introduction being silly, is all that he has done other than Palmar. 2 of which (LS talk and Kwah) doesn't seem to spark any read from him, and he never read the games to our knowledge.
So, most likely he is in love with Palmar, and after the game, will propose to him. Wouldn't mind lynching him, thou other people might be better.
Palmar Nothing out of the ordinary. Dead Null, Want Explainations
5. Shapelog has been completely nonconfrontational, meek, and unsure/wishy washy. It seems that players that pressure even slightly will cause Shapelog to give way. Examples:
On June 07 2016 06:36 Shapelog wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:33 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:31 Damdred wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:26 KelsierSC wrote: [quote]
amazing
This amazing sheep could be yours if the price is right.
Come on down KEL! Put that vote down where you think is the correct path (pst its sheep damdred thats the game).
If you do this wonderful prize will be yours
*audience gasps*
A TOWN VICTORY!
Idk can't tell if serious or trolling me again. You probably are scum if you actually 100% serious with that.
Idk, Check Millionaire (cell).
I cannot remember how he acted there since it's been awhile, but I somewhat remember him be like this (he was scum.) And I never remember him being this jokey.
Though, some of that was with the mayor race so idk.
On June 07 2016 06:43 Shapelog wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:36 Shapelog wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:33 LightningStrike wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:31 Damdred wrote: [quote]
This amazing sheep could be yours if the price is right.
Come on down KEL! Put that vote down where you think is the correct path (pst its sheep damdred thats the game).
If you do this wonderful prize will be yours
*audience gasps*
A TOWN VICTORY!
Idk can't tell if serious or trolling me again. You probably are scum if you actually 100% serious with that.
Idk, Check Millionaire (cell).
I cannot remember how he acted there since it's been awhile, but I somewhat remember him be like this (he was scum.) And I never remember him being this jokey.
Though, some of that was with the mayor race so idk.
But meh.
(what is the point of that post even? it's a self reply!)
I mean, I do have a nice rear, but how does that = that? I am so confused.
Paranoia is a symptom in that game lol.
Ah, well, I am suffering maybe from that because i find it fishy that:
On June 07 2016 06:48 wherebugsgo wrote: guys I got it figured out. Everyone who has posted so far is town.
##vote Palmar
happens, and 5 mins later
On June 07 2016 06:53 Palmar wrote: pls mister president i am innocent.
For both their entrance posts.
But gumshoe thought people for scum because of the fact they both posted at the same time, and one of them was vig (other town) so meh. Just really coincidental, or offchance planned.
I think I could keep going but I think I've said enough to show my point (and I want to see if other people see other things that I did not explicitly mention).
If anybody sees anything that causes them to think Shapelog is town, please point it out. There are a couple things that lead me to be a bit unsure but I'd be curious if anyone else notices them. Also if anyone thinks there is a better lynch, please provide one. I'll be around for a couple hours before the lynch is over and I will be able to catch up on the thread and vote but I won't be able to push anything beyond what I'm doing now.
This is a good post.
hmmm wtf
why did they both say this
confusion?
I'm awful at this game so maybe I'm just crazy, but the way I view it is that they both look much scummier for +1ing my post without really contributing anything of value or putting themselves on the line in any way.
From a scum perspective, they would know that the target I'm pushing is a townie. Let's say they're both scum, then it makes sense for them to say "yeah this is a good post" because they'd probably be fairly confident that it would have a good chance of leading to a wagon. When that wagon flips town they wouldn't be blamed for it, rather I would take the heat.
This fits particularly well with Rels=mafia because Rels was pushing tomahawk the whole time. From a Rels=mafia perspective I don't think he would have found it likely that tomahawk would have actually flipped, because people were unlikely to kill a newbie. However he couldn't have anticipated Shapelog being doctor and then claiming close to the deadline, which caused the wagon to rapidly flip to tomahawk. For me this exposed a lot about Rels because it became readily obvious that he wasn't trying to figure out the game. What are Rels's reads beyond "I think the newbie is scum because only newbie scum do this thing that tomahawk did"? From skimming his town games it at least seems like he tries to figure out the game. I don't see that here.
I honestly couldn't tell his scum game and town game apart for the most part lol.
On June 10 2016 11:04 LightningStrike wrote: FYI VE is still scum independant of Damdred's or Lex's alignments.
yea that's true, but we can give him extra time and see if he decides to come back. I figure if VE is actually town, him seeing us kill scum will jog his willingness to play and he'll come back. If not then whatever, he's gonna die anyway.
The thing is bugs is that this play isn't outside of lex's wheel house for scum play because he claimed Cop in a pretty much open setup for scum and he got lynched for that because the real cop cc'd him.
btw I find it exceedingly strange that one of the only times that VE came back to the thread and responded to someone was when Rels asked him about Tumble and Palmar.
This post:
On June 09 2016 17:43 Rels wrote: VE, your read on Tumble and on Palmar please ?
is immediately followed by this post:
On June 09 2016 18:36 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm actually fine with Palmar all of a sudden. It's the strangest thing. XD I would have killed him yesterday, but now I think he's town. Maybe it's because I still don't believe Damdred's claim and he was still on Damdred with me. AFK maybe, but probably not. He despises D1 claims.+ Show Spoiler +
Damdred's claim was shit. Like...he didn't act like a Tracker the whole game, he seemed completely divested from the game, which has only been made worse SINCE his claim. I don't know about you, but when I am a role and I claim it under duress, I have a reaction. A hard one. Damdred had no reaction.
Like I said - I've seen Palmar play awfully on D1 before, even recently. Honestly I'm gonna have to see what he does between now and tomorrow, if he dies, etc.
I'm not sure about Tumble. I'm having a hard time getting motivated, to be honest. I don't even want to read his super short filter because I know the whole thing just says "Lynch VE" over and over. Same thing with Koshi - I don't even want to try and read Koshi right now.
Also his first post into the game:
On June 07 2016 17:34 VisceraEyes wrote: Hi boys I'm town. I've skimmed and so far I'm not really comfortable calling anyone anything with any certainty, though based on the way bugs and Palmar have interacted I'd say I think they are at least not mafia together. I have a few light townreads, but nothing worth sharing at this time. Will do a more thorough reading later on, but for now I like this D1. Lots of inquisitive people, I don't think much bullshit is gonna fly.
Did he actually, though? He really hesitated in moving his vote off Kelsier which is really strange, since townies usually have no problem moving their votes around. This is especially true of VE, given that the one word I'd use to characterize VE's town play is "erratic".
On June 10 2016 11:09 LightningStrike wrote: The thing is bugs is that this play isn't outside of lex's wheel house for scum play because he claimed Cop in a pretty much open setup for scum and he got lynched for that because the real cop cc'd him.
True, but that game a bunch of people were scumreading me and I already 99% knew the real cop redchecked me for which you can find proof in the scumqt
On June 10 2016 11:09 LightningStrike wrote: The thing is bugs is that this play isn't outside of lex's wheel house for scum play because he claimed Cop in a pretty much open setup for scum and he got lynched for that because the real cop cc'd him.
If we lynch the incorrect person today whatever, we'll get the right person the next time. It shouldn't matter to the townie if they're on the receiving side of the lynch anyway. It's not like the game gets that much harder.
also I'm biased but I find his claim more believable since he said there was a track on me. Why would he do that as scum? Like, he'd be willing to sacrifice himself just to potentially get me as a townie heavily suspected or lynched later (with no control over whether people decide to lynch me on the association)? Doesn't quite make sense, and the far simpler answer here is that he is actually the real tracker.
If he's not the tracker and he's fake claiming then it's an awful play and he'll get punished for it in the next cycle.
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