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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7447 Posts
June 21 2016 01:52 GMT
#2461
Also, it is always a pleasure to lose to a friend rather than a stranger. Cause I can still be happy that my friends won!

Woot!
lol, clueless in The Prism!
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 21 2016 03:54 GMT
#2462
On June 21 2016 07:39 Damdred wrote:
I'm waiting for bugs to show up and push for a ban on me now for playing against wincon!

lol


you realize I wasn't being serious right? I was using it to gauge your alignment

On June 21 2016 07:28 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 07:24 Palmar wrote:
On June 21 2016 07:14 Koshi wrote:
Well I am very sorry about that modkill that lost town a ml but townies being full retarded also lost us a ml and knowing Palmar was still not lynched made it unsalvable anyway.

I'll eat the ban and probably be calmer next games till I can't take it anymore.


Good job on FF for the modkill. It was correct. Good hosting.

Koshi, ignore all the trolling I did in game, it was mostly for strategical purposes (calling you bad after your death).

You really, really need to learn to adjust your tone and message. You have three objectives as town and you're probably the best player on TL Mafia at one of them (not getting lynched), and you're definitely good at the second one (finding mafia, excellent job this game). But you truly suck at the third pillar of good town play which is convincing town organize around your ideas and do as you say.

I know it's super tempting to just blame it on "well they're bad, they should listen to me", but this is the most underrated skill in mafia. No one just comes in and has immediate sway over the way people play, it takes time and it takes touch. You have to read every single player to understand what arguments or encouragements they might respond to. Some people you have to abuse, others you have to hold their hand while they get there.

And yes, I know it's a bit hypocritical for me to talk about this because by now leading town comes very effortlessly to me, I'm playing behind a "big name" and people in general are going to pay attention to what I say, but that hasn't always been the case.

It's both the hardest skill to appreciate and the hardest skill to master.

I'm sounding all lecture-y here, so sorry about that, but it's been my agenda for years to help people understand and remember this very important part of playing this game.

I know what you are saying but it isn't part of my nature. I go balls to the wall every game and if I am wrong I am 100% wrong and I feel bad.

But when I am 100% correct and I have a fucking retarded fuck like WBG (who I respect as player and could play with again) call me bad a couple times in a nonchalant way (as in "I read a couple games of this Koshi character and he is genuinly bad so w.e) and then this fucking retarded shitter pushes mafia agenda like a cunt while there is a guy being 100% right in the thread and you are calling that guy bad then I explode.

I am too old to change and also unwilling. There is a reason I get banned on Dota every x months and running aroun with 9+ reports all the time.

I don't back down from retardation.


You are bad, end of story.

Note that says nothing about my play. I'm shit too, we all lost and deserve this loss.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
June 21 2016 04:48 GMT
#2463
Btw it was nice playing a game with you that didn't end with me seeing red and vowing never to play with you again bugs. ^^
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
June 21 2016 07:02 GMT
#2464
nice job SL and Palmar.
Zerg for Life
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
June 21 2016 13:57 GMT
#2465
On June 09 2016 22:31 Koshi wrote:
sicklucker/VE/Kelsier

Palmar null

Rest town or blue.



ggwp.

N1 ezgame
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
June 21 2016 13:58 GMT
#2466
1 minute before that. So good
On June 09 2016 22:17 Koshi wrote:
Palmar/VE/Kelsier is were I am atm.

Chez still Chez.



LS, Rels are strong townreads.
wbg is a townread.
Shape and Damdred are blues till cc'ed.
sicklucker is clueless. I don't know if he would play this clueless as mafia. But he hasn't shown me any real form of townieness yet. So I sicklucker is null to me.

I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-21 13:59:08
June 21 2016 13:58 GMT
#2467
On June 09 2016 21:49 Koshi wrote:
Why I think Rels is town:
1) confirmed bias towards the tomahawk lynch. Rels truly believed tomahawk was mafia. Townies can be wrong.
2) Him going after sicklucker somewhere on page 3 of his filter was pretty townie. It was a battering of multiple posts in a row. He looked way more townie than sicklucker in that argument, and sicklucker was "correct" in his assumption that tomahawk was town. So if Rels is mafia he looked better than sicklucker in an argument in which Rels knew he was lying in. THAT is superhard to do.
3) Him going after literally everybody with decent argumentation that is based on analysis. Read his filter if you don't remember.
4) Really open view on the game. This post sums that up:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2016 05:35 Rels wrote:
Yeah Tomahawk is the best lynch and should die. Shape is also kinda active but not making an impact. One of the two should be the lynch.
Or Palmar

adding Palmar there would be a insanely bold play as mafia. Think about it.
5) This post:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 07 2016 06:36 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2016 06:34 Shapelog wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:32 Rels wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:31 Shapelog wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:29 Rels wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:26 Shapelog wrote:
On June 07 2016 06:19 Rels wrote:
Yo I drink so I'm drunk

That's nice,

Why don't we talk so I can gather a read on you, and you can stop me spamming?

Is it a serious offer ?

Yes. I'm serious.
I find your lack of faith most disturbing.

Then yes please

Anything stick out to you? I know it's super early, but wonder if you spot anything.

Ls is likely town
Ksc is maybe town for seeing this right now


This post is really hard to make as mafia. Here are some reasons.
a) correct analysis of what happened in the thread. I was thinking the same.
b) very little words, massive information. No fluff.
c) if both are town not what you want to push in the thread as mafia.
d) Healthy amount of doubt that a townie shows when making this kind of reads, mafia tends to talk more in absolutes.

On June 09 2016 21:49 Koshi wrote:
If Rels gets lynched in this game after that analysis you people suck so much dick.


dicksucking was real
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
June 21 2016 14:00 GMT
#2468
genious ↓
On June 10 2016 16:43 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2016 14:22 sicklucker wrote:
On June 10 2016 14:16 wherebugsgo wrote:
If artanis is scum I don't understand that play whatsoever. It's like one of the worst moves a scum can make in that situation.

You replace in and 5 minutes into the game you read that someone claimed tracker, so you cc them? As scum he had literally 72+ hours of a headstart which he could have used to just make himself look really townish but instead he decided to kill himself?

That doesn't make any sense at all. There is no doctor. There is literally nothing stopping scum from just outright killing the tracker. It buys scum nothing.

There is literally no reason for a scum to CC there.


ya thats true... how fast did he cc from when he was replaced? It seems like something you would at least want to discuss with his new scum team if he entered the game as scum

Why not wait 72 hours and see what Artanis does in the meantime?

We know for sure there is a mafia between Artanis and Damdred. We are in no danger to suddenly lose. Just let them fight it out in the next 120 hours. It will be glorious.


What you are doing now is a possible scum Artanis rape you in the ass and getting a fucking blue misslynched because he did a bold play that acquired MINIMAL EFFORT .

If artanis wants to get the blue misslynched. Let him work hard and long for it.


cloned monkey↓

On June 10 2016 14:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2016 14:32 sicklucker wrote:
On June 10 2016 14:30 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 10 2016 14:28 sicklucker wrote:
On June 10 2016 14:21 wherebugsgo wrote:
On June 10 2016 14:18 sicklucker wrote:
if art is mafia the way ve's day went by makes him probably his partner so art/rels/ve. The cc was very convenient ifor ve's life expectancy. as scum or town he had given up.

but this cc MAKES ON SENSE IF ves town. because why the fuck would mafia go for a 1for 1 trade when ve was an auto lynch


what the hell does buying VE another day do if artanis is scum? VE is not even playing the game. It would be better for scum for VE to CC if they are going to do stupid shit.

Like I don't understand why I am still arguing this, but in the back of my mind given the quality of this game I wouldn't be surprised if these shit plays are actually happening.


well if they are a team it seems like art calmed him down into trying with the claim. Ve is trying now. If art didnt cc its very likely ve would have continued not trying seeing all the votes against him after he self voted


wtf???

If he wanted to convince VE to keep playing why wouldn't he do that in their QT??

like your logic makes 0 sense. I don't understand how you can actually think this


yes thats where this conversation would have happened. and since art entered the game ve seems to be trying again. There is association here man thats all im saying


THEN WHY WOULD HE CC

okay, this is really not that hard, but I feel like I'm going to get a brain hemorrhage if I have to explain this one more time.

Put yourself in Artanis's shoes. Pretend you have just replaced into the game and you get the role PM that you are scum.

You're catching up on the thread, you've spent a couple minutes reading backwards. Since Day just ended you see that someone claimed tracker. And you see that someone claimed doctor and your team shot them last night. You know that it's an open setup, so there can be no other town power roles.

So, instead of just killing the claimed tracker on n2, you decide to counter claim him, KNOWING THAT IT WILL RESULT IN YOUR OWN DEATH.

And you're telling me you think he did that, just because that play somehow convinces his teammate to keep trying?

If that happened on my scum team I would be more likely to continue to not play than be convinced I should try, because that is literally the dumbest thing any scum teammate could do. I would be so demoralized that the first player in that slot fucked off and didn't do anything and was replaced by a complete idiot who decided to kill himself within the first 10 minutes of him joining the game.



I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
June 21 2016 14:02 GMT
#2469
brains recognizes brains.

On June 10 2016 17:21 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2016 05:57 Shapelog wrote:
Shapelog's reads. WGB and SL most likely will not get done due to time. Are in right spot thou


Confirm town (unless CC)

Damdred, pretty self explanatory.


Towny boys

Koshi, Breaking the promise to not be emotional seems to be his town meta now a days


Town leans

LS,
While I think he is town now, to ever one still alive by day 3, relook at him. I am kinda still a bit paranoid from Cell about him, and by day 3 it should be obvlouis what alignment he is.

I am mostly sheeping other people on this one. I am getting a iffy feeling from reading some of his EoD posts, but I might just be biased,


Tumble: If I had to say anything off of the bat, is that if he is scum, he is prob. going to very activity and eager to play scum, due to his want of a scum meta. Also Pay very close attention if he starts, for any reason, quoting any scum games of his in a defense.

This is mainly because
A) the games are old,
B) he as scum would quote it since it will give him prob. a instant town read, due to activity points alone.
C) He told me (as town) to not use them in another game, for exactly point A.

IF you do meta Tumble, do also note he is becoming increasingly more posty as town.

However, that is it for meta. I am afraid no one really knows what he will do as scum, because he hasn't really rolled scum ever since his first game (he replaced one time, but it was for a game deciding lynch)

He's beening cocky, which is what he usually acts like as town.

Moving into posts in this game from him

I actually found the reason why he was with Palmar's unexplained reads and I can buy it. It isn't the greatest, but it is ok explanation.

His read on Damdred was as follow:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 08 2016 11:05 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2016 10:34 Shapelog wrote:
On June 08 2016 10:28 Tumblewood wrote:
OH SHIT READS I FORGOT THOSE
damdred shape scum
palmar kelsier sl koshi town
rest unknown
I agree with palmar's reads so far

oh hey lol damdred said the same thing as me.

Only thing you meation about Damdred in your list.
On June 08 2016 10:27 Tumblewood wrote:
after the replacement post:
- where bugs go the original story has me in tears
On June 08 2016 10:18 Shapelog wrote:
Idk,
Tumble did you actually get your wish, and replaced in as scum, and now will be able to have a scum meta after what? 8-9 games?

nope can't even get a scum role PM when I steal someone else's
- dammit the thing I spoilered didn't spoiler

me

Palmar is not even on your catch up post.

You can go ahead and explain the reads on those 3 btw. The fact you got something other than Null for Palmar interests me

copying that thing kelsier said, why do you care about my damdred scumread more than my you scumread

re: damdred read
feels

re: palmar read
I agree with him so clearly he's leading us to the d1 scum lynch
also feels

On June 09 2016 03:49 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2016 03:42 Damdred wrote:
@sl, rels and koshi

Who am I lynching today so I an hit scum

damdred I can't believe you'd ever sheep koshi to hit scum
isn't palmar your designated shepherd

On June 09 2016 03:50 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2016 03:48 Damdred wrote:
##unvote
##vote Tumblewood


This is fine my buddy rels wants him dead

damdred wtf are you doing
- deciding to sheep rels
- not going after either of his solid scumreads
- voting me, town god, of all people


Which kinda was weak compared to everyone else's read at the time (most people, including me, had him as sus due to the jokeness, how he was acting, his posts etc.) but eh, it was on his catch up.

Palmar read has moved from lightly green to Null. fine on that. I thought the read was stronger than that, but Palmar was just barely on his town section in his list post.

Nothing else really stands out from him to me other than,
On June 09 2016 10:41 Tumblewood wrote:
wow mafia is really easy and I'm really good

Which i am going to laugh if he is scum, and this was him showing off.

Right now, Town lean. Will relook after if I can.


Rels:
Shitfight + certain posts + Sheep. Going to look at scum meta if I have time for some things. For now sheeping.


Null (no order)

Palmar: His latest posts are ok, and are actually the best posts I ever saw from him in any games I played with him. Depending on posting, might or not be lynch tomorrow.



Chez (would kill btw): Chez is.....Mixed. Chez (i am guessing) came to the same conclusion me and Rels did about Kwah early on, but that is all I really have been able to make out on Chez.

Ways to improve Chez: Tar and feather his arse and make dance around as a chicken for town's enjoyment.
Ways to improve Chez's read: RnR



SL:
Need to read more of filter and ponder, cannot due to time



WBG: Maybe should be town lean region. Case on me was decent, tho some of it was off. HE has rebounded from what I thought of him eariler, and his style seems to be pick 1 person, work on them.(mostly)

Need to read more of filter and ponder, cannot due to time



Scum
Kel: Was liking him till he dispersed. I actually have a really big problem with the post right after the lynch,
On June 09 2016 06:05 KelsierSC wrote:
I thought I had an hour , apologies to all players and host

Alright I am sorry. Ok, the post it self isn't the prob. but it is the timing of the post that bother's me the most.

This is 5 mins after deadline, Kel thought he had a hour after the deadline for what he thought was the deadline. Now, you would think he would be able to spend some time in the thread just catching up, or posting or what not. But his next post is 13 hours later.
On June 09 2016 18:45 KelsierSC wrote:
Not going to be able to do anything today.

I'll be able to give more input tomorrow.

My problem here is that, IMO, he should of at least been on for a while and been able to comment on some things (anything) about the lynch or what not because he thought the dead line was a hour later, and thus would be on during (or at least a part of) said thought dead line.

Ik that is kinda nickpicky, but he abstance is kinda questionable.

Other than that, Koshi really picked apart the reason's I liked him. Could def. be scum





VE: I just filtered him, and It actually might be unlikely that him and Kel would be a team. Due to how he was actually quick to call Kel scum.
On June 08 2016 08:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
On June 08 2016 05:49 wherebugsgo wrote:
VE what do you think of Palmar not posting at all? Has he done this recently as town?

I don't really know what Palmar has done frequently as town, though I think he HAS done it as town in recent games I've played with him. It's not enough for me to say I think he's mafia for it, that's for sure. I'd expect more of an agenda actually.

I'm now willing to add Shapelog to the townpile and Koshi probably too, though I disagree with his read on Kelsier. I still like killing Kelsier right now, though some of the more potent lurkers are totally gaining on him for my ire.

The thing I don't like about Kelsier is how he went from joking around to super srs in one post. Like it's around a period of no one really socializing and everyone kinda getting to business (at least that's what I remember from last night's skim) and what he's posted today hasn't really done much for me the way it has Koshi. Not really sure what's smart about what Kelsier has said that Koshi likes.

Anyway, that's what I gots people. Still voting for Kelsier, until the shenannies start happening and people start making actual reasoned accusations. Mine is feels. Deals wit it.

However, that Idea was dropped and never picked up ever again so it actually isn't as strong as I thought. He actually did town read Kel so nvm.

His other Scum candidate was TW, and I actually do not like the reasoning looking back.
On June 08 2016 16:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
On June 08 2016 13:49 Tumblewood wrote:
tumblewood esteemed 100% accurate sometimes reads list

really town
sl
koshi

sorta town
kelsier
palmar

null
ls
rels

done nothing of note
ve
kwahamot
chezinu

scum team
damdred
shape
wbg

I think I'm done for the night, and the game. my reads can't get any more 100% correct than this.

Like how has Palmar done any more than me? Seriously though, I've given reads on people, explained them to the best of my ability AND been able to answer questions (mostly, I hear ya Bugs)

That fact alone makes me suspect that ALL of these reads are fabricated and meaningless.

##Vote: Tumblewood


Reads OMGUS off towards me, quite ironic also that Tumble's read on Palmar was feels + same reads, and VE wanted to read off of feels, and VE gets pissed off at Feels read.

It also was kinda misrepresented in a way, because tumble just said that VE didn't do anything of note (memorable) not that he did less than Palmar.

Wasn't here for the ignoring part of the lynch. Was mellow afterwards about claims.

Really do not like him.




Would lynch: Anybody below or in Null, following order of scummyness


Pretty solid post here btw Shape. Pretty solid stuff.

I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-06-21 14:04:13
June 21 2016 14:03 GMT
#2470
Such a great post by Shape. Twice I tried to make people read it but reading too hard for this town.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
June 21 2016 14:04 GMT
#2471
and this game I didn't even swap around too much. Just couldn't believe my eyes when Rels went for Damdred.
I had a good night of sleep.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
June 21 2016 15:15 GMT
#2472
Good thing you never have a streak where you're extremely wrong for an entire game, let alone 5 games.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
June 21 2016 15:18 GMT
#2473
Because with that kind of self-righteousness I'd imagine that would be extremely humbling and embarassing.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
June 21 2016 15:29 GMT
#2474
On June 22 2016 00:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Because with that kind of self-righteousness I'd imagine that would be extremely humbling and embarassing.

Heresy!
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
June 21 2016 15:29 GMT
#2475
Yes. I also do not hide the fact I am wrong, you probably know about my cold streak because I am the one spamming it in my games.

lolol.


When I am right I can say I am right because when I am wrong I say I am wrong.
I had a good night of sleep.
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
June 21 2016 15:30 GMT
#2476
On June 21 2016 23:03 Koshi wrote:
Such a great post by Shape. Twice I tried to make people read it but reading too hard for this town.

What is great about it?

Like I keep hearing people say it was good and stuff, but tbh I cannot see why, I had Kel/art as scum sure, and all my town reads were I guess correct. But really it isn't great.

Rels/LS was partially sheeped trs,

2 reads weren't even done, (though, I guess I was right about bugs being higher)

I just do not think it is great.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
June 21 2016 15:33 GMT
#2477
On June 22 2016 00:30 Shapelog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2016 23:03 Koshi wrote:
Such a great post by Shape. Twice I tried to make people read it but reading too hard for this town.

What is great about it?

Like I keep hearing people say it was good and stuff, but tbh I cannot see why, I had Kel/art as scum sure, and all my town reads were I guess correct. But really it isn't great.

Rels/LS was partially sheeped trs,

2 reads weren't even done, (though, I guess I was right about bugs being higher)

I just do not think it is great.

You were right EoN1. If you build on that post you would have solved the game.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38797 Posts
June 21 2016 15:36 GMT
#2478
Goddamn. Now I want to know if Artanis is keeping track of the result and reads I have in my games. Or that he knows this because I spammed how bad I was in my own game and didn't want to push reads and it got picked up by JAT and marv in some observer thread and now Artanis is calling me out for pointing out I was right in a game while I don't do it when I am wrong while the sole reason he knows I was wrong in a couple games is because I said so myself.

lol how trash can you be.
I had a good night of sleep.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
June 21 2016 15:46 GMT
#2479
On June 22 2016 00:36 Koshi wrote:
Goddamn. Now I want to know if Artanis is keeping track of the result and reads I have in my games. Or that he knows this because I spammed how bad I was in my own game and didn't want to push reads and it got picked up by JAT and marv in some observer thread and now Artanis is calling me out for pointing out I was right in a game while I don't do it when I am wrong while the sole reason he knows I was wrong in a couple games is because I said so myself.

lol how trash can you be.

Don't worry about it. He is just jealous.
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5184 Posts
June 21 2016 15:52 GMT
#2480
On June 22 2016 00:33 Koshi wrote:
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On June 22 2016 00:30 Shapelog wrote:
On June 21 2016 23:03 Koshi wrote:
Such a great post by Shape. Twice I tried to make people read it but reading too hard for this town.

What is great about it?

Like I keep hearing people say it was good and stuff, but tbh I cannot see why, I had Kel/art as scum sure, and all my town reads were I guess correct. But really it isn't great.

Rels/LS was partially sheeped trs,

2 reads weren't even done, (though, I guess I was right about bugs being higher)

I just do not think it is great.

You were right EoN1. If you build on that post you would have solved the game.

Oh :/
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
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