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On May 24 2016 08:10 Tumblewood wrote: ##RRU: ritoky Town: 3. ritoky Mafia: Insufficient Information: 1. Holyflare 2. Damdred 4. Rels 5. LightningStrike 6. Koshi 7. Palmar 8. marvellosity 9. justanothertownie 10. sicklucker 11. Superbia 12. Tumblewood 13. nnn_thekushmountains Special Notes: - Kush is not mafia with LightningStrike Posts 85-88 - Holyflare is not mafia with Damdred: Posts 87-93 | ||
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On May 24 2016 21:57 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: ##RMC: tumblewood Rito Mafia Check of Tumblewood Holyflare's Case: + Show Spoiler + On May 24 2016 20:50 Holyflare wrote: I mean it when I say you aren't reaching conclusions. You just returned to the thread and basically ignored everything on the past few pages (since you haven't reevaluated anything since I "revealed" (it was quite obvious) the LS posts were to get something started). I can only assume that you are pointing out things to appear to contribute but are not able to follow through with the correct evaluation of what it means. The perfect example of this is that since you didn't read my tidbit about the LS case being fake pressure - obviously - you assume that I was still serious about LS and call it bad. However, if you were thinking this through logically your own evaluation would be that I was mafia, which you have stated I should be. You also stated that I would be mafia because I called up the case with 100% certainty. Now, you think Koshi is town as you stated. You also think I was serious with the LS case but instead of what logically should confirm your suspicions on me you just meander about with other non committal things. To surmise, I think you are a slightly lost mafia making observations but not able to attribute these observations to a towny mindset and follow through. ##unvote ##vote Tumblewood The most prominent point of HF's case is entirely accurate and indicative of a player not having a town mindset. It is very clear prior to tumble leaving the thread that he finds a great deal of interesting things happening around the Koshi/HF/Damdred/LS/Kush discussion and sequence of events; particularly in regards to Holyflare. Upon returning to the thread, there is a page long or more discussion specifically between Koshi and HF about the sequence of events that tumble found was at least interesting and potentially alignment indicative; yet he specifically chooses to ignore it entirely. He gives no commentary on it, makes no conclusions, gains no stated reads from it, and treats it like it didn't happen. Him not caring about his reads or being quick to drop them could just be a player style thing however, it is inconsistent with other reads he has given: On May 25 2016 02:40 Tumblewood wrote: No it's not, I'm not voting LS in a million years. There is no benefit if he is scum, besides my worthless TR and getting yelled at for TMI On May 25 2016 02:53 Tumblewood wrote: Super gets some solid points for actually caring about the game/his reads Anyone that thinks that emotion was faked can shut up Where was this level of interest or conviction in your reads before? You clearly have "passion" about your reads, so why have you not revisited your read that has the most depth of discussion? Rito bot believes it is because it serves you no purpose, you gain nothing from it; whereas your LS read in particular seems like a blatant attempt to pocket a player. Independent Analysis: Extremism On May 24 2016 14:20 Tumblewood wrote: Have to catch a flight at 5:30 tomorrow morning >< going to be afk all day except maybe during the layover or at night I keep getting all excited because this is the game I'm gonna try real hard in and then getting sidelined by RL Way too much explanation for an excuse for inactivity. Mafia tend to over-justify their inactivity. On May 25 2016 02:34 Tumblewood wrote: This is definitely townie. LS is fighting to prevent a mislynch, which is pro-town and has no benefit if he's scum. On May 25 2016 02:40 Tumblewood wrote: No it's not, I'm not voting LS in a million years. There is no benefit if he is scum, besides my worthless TR and getting yelled at for TMI Pocket attempt by 1 of these two players. 1 of them is almost certainly mafia (currently leaning tumble); LS gives tumble an undeserved town read at a moment when he is low on the totem pole and Tumble overreacts in defense of LS simply because LS calls him town. It is far too dramatic of a read over someone simply calling you town and nothing else. "It does not serve him if he is mafia".....if he is mafia he just pocketed you, serves him pretty well. Your stalwart defense of LS makes no real justifiable sense....at least not with the basis you have given. On May 25 2016 02:53 Tumblewood wrote: Super gets some solid points for actually caring about the game/his reads Anyone that thinks that emotion was faked can shut up This post just simply read as extreme reactions to a minor thing. There exists this inherent disconnect between mafia and town in terms of how they view individual posts, due to mafia having perfect information often times certain posts which they know to be correct and for the right reasons seem SUPER townie to them while to a townie the same post seems "meh town". This is an example of that. Superbia's post was very "meh town", not "I will fight you this is so town". I think this is simply another example of tumble being over the top in a place where it makes no sense as town. Conclusion: Mafia | ||
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On May 24 2016 20:28 Tumblewood wrote: Theory: 2 or more scum haven't posted yet or have less than three posts Also theory: Posting at 4 AM is dumb There exists no town purpose to this post. If you're going to attempt to apply pressure on to inactive players, why refer to them anonymously rather than call them out directly? This does not apply the desired pressure and I find it to be a waste of space and an easy post to make to blanket seem like you're doing something. I sincerely doubt any inactive player felt any heat to post more because of what you said here. | ||
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On May 24 2016 14:55 Superbia wrote: Nobody said "sup" for me at start of day. Heads will roll. Rito Filter Request of Superbia: Disclaimer: My reading of Tumblewood has led me to believe he is mafia, and that he spewed Superbia town. The following is a look at Superbia's filter independent of that information, however the ultimate conclusion of this read will be that Superbia is town based on Tumble's spew. On May 24 2016 14:55 Superbia wrote: Nobody said "sup" for me at start of day. Heads will roll. Tonally town entrance, at worst neutral; established the joke pre-game and it made me chuckle. Overall mafia tends to be bad at humor upon entry/in general. Townie question, further highlights some of tumblewood's shortcomings and the differentiation of mindsets between Superbia and Tumble. Tumble is assuming innocent until proven guilty, whereas Superbia is assuming guilty until proven innocent. Superbia's mindset generally comes from a more town-oriented paranoid mindset. His distinct dropping of this line of thought and lack of follow-up to Tumble just ignoring it leaves something to be desired, less town points. On May 25 2016 00:14 Superbia wrote: Ls wutu think of kush? Will post some thoughts after I get home and have dinner+GoT Prelude is kush is town Bad post, the attempt to determine LS's alignment based on his read of kush is undercut by giving your opinion first. If LS is mafia you have given him a window into how he can get closer to you/get a town read and if he is town than you have colored his opinion based on his read of you. Both are less useful at determining LS's alignment or true kush read simply because you stated your opinion first. On May 25 2016 02:41 Superbia wrote: The grand problem with HF's 'push' is that it assumes I am asking for LS's read because I think LS is town and I want to know his opinion on kush because I don't have a good read on him. It could not be more ass backwards. I thought LS was sort of kinda-ish on the scummy side, and him calling two people town (both questionable reads imo) and questioning a third (kush) in the same post indicates to me that he was not reading kush town (someone whom I believe is likely town at this point) seemed to traverse him more in that direction, so I asked him for a hard read on kush (the read he gave was sort of meh). That being said, I have a decent meta-read on LS (I think), so I'm not drawing any conclusion of this yet. Just means he's starting off in the poor side of town (shitty suburbs). Now this what I do all the time as town, and I have never (iirc) asked for a genuine opinion on someone to become more informed. The question is always to get to know more about the person questioned, rather than the subject. This is like standard 101 townplay, which I why I am very confused as to why a good 'town' player would jump on this with this utterly absurd and simplistic point of view. Hence why I am skeptical of HF, as this is his second garbage push. And he's (supposed to be) a good player. And even more skeptical of you, because you have been buddying up to HF early on, even though I don't think anyone should have a town read on HF. And you're a very anal town player. Meh, town explanation of the above and ensuing discussion surrounding it. On May 25 2016 03:23 Superbia wrote: How are you reading HF, jat? Lesson learned. On May 25 2016 03:45 Superbia wrote: LS' answer did not progress my read on him that much. In a vacuum he may look scummy because his reasoning is kinda shit (imo), but LS thought process has always been kinda alien to me. I do not feel like LS' opinion/reasoning on kush makes him mafia. That being said, I believe I may have a mafia-meta-tell on LS and he has displayed it this game. I'm not solid on it being an actual mafia tell yet though. I'm looking for something more. On May 25 2016 03:50 Superbia wrote: I need something that actually convinces myself. Let me try to explain it differently. 1. Before this game I believe I have a meta-mafia-tell on LS. 2. LS displays this tell. 3. I am actually not convinced LS is mafia yet (gut), so I'm looking for something more. These two quotes are troubling, and could be mafia indicative. They both center around Superbia's meta tell on LS. Firstly he is repeating it (twice) but not indicating what it is, which to some degree I can understand but in another sense makes it more likely fake. Secondly even though it is accurate from his knowledge, he isn't choosing to believe it for a not particularly convincing reason since earlier he was saying that LS was leaning mafia. Thirdly, he desires more from LS to fully form his read. That last one is the troubling one: "I'm looking for something more" to me implies that Superbia is going to put the screws to or pressure LS for more information so that he can judge if his meta-tell is legitimate or not. So what does Superbia do? Banter with JAT, direct 0 questions or statements toward LS, and generally ignore him after this post. You think he was leaning mafia, you have a meta-tell you are somewhat confident in, and you want more information from LS; so you just ignore him? How is that advancing your read or the game in a meaningful way? This could be indicative of partners trying to establish a bus for the future. As I said before in my RMC of Tumblewood, I believe that there is almost always a mafia between Tumble and LS due to the timing and over-the-top nature of the reads they gave on eachother; in the event that Tumble is town I think there is a very high likelihood that Superbia is with LS. His banter with JAT is a waste of time, but NAI for both of them. On May 25 2016 04:27 Superbia wrote: ##RFR/##RMC/##RRU: Superbia On May 25 2016 04:37 Superbia wrote: CS:GO for a bit. Then maybe sleep. Hopefully some other people do some stuff against non-afks. Damdred, your thoughts now please too. Ritoky, I did your bot thing. Please do stuff too. Frustration with Rito Bot seems like a more natural and town response. Conclusion: Some bad and some good. As an independent analysis I would indicate that he is on the scum side of null primarily for his lack of follow-up on tumble and LS; however nothing in his filter is compelling enough to overwhelm the Tumble spew that he is town so I read him town. In the event that Tumble is town, and LS + Superbia team is a strong possibility. | ||
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On May 25 2016 06:48 sicklucker wrote: ##RFR: marvellosity Rito Filter Read of marvellosity On May 24 2016 15:26 marvellosity wrote: probably the most sincere post in the thread got a new job where i can barely (or not at all) play at work, so activity is gonna suffer. ? Policy | ||
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On May 25 2016 07:04 Tumblewood wrote: OK, ritbot, Your case on me is mostly logical and not scummy, except this. This isn't like, "something else I thought was scummy and forgot," this is not even that bad but you're putting it in an unnecessarily negative light. This isn't a critical evaluation of anything, this is "didn't apply pressure" restated 3 times and it doesn't even make me scum. I think you started with the conclusion and fit the reasoning to that. Actually you know what this whole case sucks. "Posted justification for afkness = scum", "stopped trying to gain insight from the first 8 hours of the game = scum", "said he cared about something = scum", + Show Spoiler + oh no I'm becoming the real hypocritoky Rito Response Analysis of Tumblewood: 1) I think your response is telling of a salty mafia who got caught OMGUSing. You can see your progression throughout this post: "Your case on me is mostly logical and not scummy" -> "Let me try to argue this" -> "Man I can't argue this" -> "Call it all shit" -> "OMGUS vote". At no point here do you consider the possibility that Rito Bot is of the town alignment simply because the case called you mafia. You had a conclusion in mind when you wrote this post. 2) Your post lacks any direct response of specificity as to why I am wrong and why your mindset and play is necessarily town. I clearly stated why you are mafia and you made a blanket statement about it all being shit rather than actually comprehend and explain the reasons why I view you as mafia. If you would like them again it is as follows - Shows tremendous interest in early discussion surrounding HF/Koshi/LS/Damdred/Kush -> leaves the thread -> discussion continues surrounding the issues -> returns to the thread making no comments or conclusions -> clearly did not care about read, which is distinctly different from other reads and displays a level of inconsistency. - Mafia tend to overexplain away inactivity, you overexplained inactivity. - Your interactions with LS read as pocketing, his town read of you was not warranted and your response was unwarranted and false. LS could very easily have a mafia motivation there and the specific interaction almost guarantees that 1 of you is mafia. - Non-town mindset displayed by an over-the-top reaction to a post by Superbia that was mildly town at best. - Anonymously calling out players who lack activity rather than directly pressuring them is pointless except for the fact that it doesn't directly link you to players by having their names in your post. Feel free to argue against those, as I feel all of your current responses lack an understanding of the accusations or you are simply in fact mafia. 3) Your town reads are junk. They are entirely responses to players calling you town and display that you are not approaching the game with a critical eye, but simply making friends. Mafia make friends, town find mafia. | ||
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On May 25 2016 08:21 sicklucker wrote: RITOKY IS AVOIDING MY THEORY. HOW CONVIENT ITS A CONSPIRACY + Show Spoiler + my best vivax impersonation im so funny HERE ILL HELP ##RMC: sicklucker Rito Bot Mafia Check of Sicklucker: Only case found + Show Spoiler + sicklucker is mafia for being inactive the first 24 hours Sicklucker being inactive for the first 24 hours is not alignment indicative. Independent Analysis: - Standard sl arrogance upon opening reads tonally town. - Obvious koshi read is obvious. - Town read of tumble makes 0 sense. He believes that tumble is town exclusively on the grounds that tumble is "lynch bait" (aka playing anti-town) and that HF (who he doesn't believe is mafia) is pushing on tumble. He cites no examples of tumbleweed acting as lynch bait, and even indicates that he doesn't remember fully who Tumblewood is: On May 25 2016 07:09 sicklucker wrote: wait tumbleweed is the guy I was in final 3 with rels right? I have a really selective memory Meaning that his entire read is based around the premise that he is anti-whatever lynch HF is pushing on a newer player and has nothing to do the content that player is producing. And yet he still doesn't even go so far as to call HF mafia. Far too strong of a read for not scum reading the person giving the read or having any stated basis in why the person being pushed is town. This read is very bad. - ritoky is mafia for agreeing with HF and furthering a read on a player who you admit fully is playing anti-town because "he should know better". Yet let me not state a reason why he is town or give examples of where he is lynch bait but town and not just mafia acting anti-town. You can repeat the same lines over and over but without ever providing examples it will never be convincing. - His "tinfoil theory" is also pointless. A player prompted me, I provided a wall of text in terms of thought. It is how I am playing, and it is far more constructive than almost every player in the game. If Superbia is mafia and using the style in which I have chosen to play to his advantage, then kudos to him. Your read there also shows your lack of reading of my posts, which clearly state that 1 of Tumble or LS is 95% mafia and Superbia is probably with LS in the event one is mafia. - Unfortunately even though the majority of what he has typed this game is poor he has so much in his filter that tonally sounds like he is typing with a smirk on his face which is what I imagine in my head when I read SL town; as opposed to lethargic SL from cell mafia. - Hypocrisy thy name is sicklucker: On May 25 2016 11:42 sicklucker wrote: once again a vote is decided in the last 10 minutes and we waste the first 36 hours zzZzZz Conclusion: Leaning toward dumb town + Show Spoiler + Extra notes: - SL less likely to hard align with teammates, if TW is mafia SL probably dumb town (currently most likely scenario) - if TW is town and superbia is not mafia then SL is almost guaranteed mafia - if TW is town and superbia is mafia then SL is almost guaranteed town | ||
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On May 25 2016 05:29 Holyflare wrote: I don't particularly understand how you can be so certain of tumblewood being mafia that you completely ditch your evaluation of Superbia looking scummy ritoky. Rito Bot Automated Response: People do not read nuanced reads, they just want to see the bolded conclusion or the name in colors. So I gave them an open declaration of what I believe to be the most likely scenario, which is that mafia TW spewed Superbia. The more nuanced version is that LS and TW's reads of eachother are so awkward and forced and due to the timing likely indicate that 1 is attempting to pocket the other making them almost certainly opposing alignments. Superbia's "meta-read" and lack of push on LS indicates that the read is either false or he is holding back from pushing his partner and is done in a way that I believe connects them fairly strongly. Thus I think that TW or LS is mafia and if LS is mafia then Superbia is mafia. However the evidence against TW is stronger than the evidence against Superbia + LS (partially because I have a fairly strong town read on LS which buoys my opinion of Superbia); and thus the most likely world is just that TW is mafia and spewed Superbia which is the headline that most players will read while ignoring the rest, because people say they want substantive contributions but really they can't be asked to read them. | ||
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On May 26 2016 04:10 Superbia wrote: I am town. Confidence (arrogance) is part of my personality and NAI. Palmar and Marv are both beautiful. Town? Palmar? Yes (probably). Marv? Maybe. ##Unvote ##Vote: Holyflare Cuz it is not you? Or? | ||
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On May 26 2016 03:59 ritoky wrote: Hi I am normally a robot but I have to vote and am not at my home computer to type out long responses, AMA! | ||
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On May 26 2016 04:18 Superbia wrote: Rit what do you think of HF? Probably town who is largely being fear lynched currently. | ||
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On May 26 2016 04:27 Superbia wrote: Fear lynched by me, Palmar and Marv? Which of these fear HF? You're full tunnel OMGUS, Palmar's reason is not compelling, Marv is sheeping Palmar; kush, koshi, and jat are fear lynching. | ||
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On May 26 2016 04:35 Koshi wrote: Nobody is fear lynching. You can die after hf regardless on how he flips. Don't worry, you can get "accidentally" carried by me again. | ||
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On May 26 2016 04:45 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: I disagree but I give you some town points for this idea. Why do you disagree? | ||
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On May 26 2016 05:00 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: I'm not exactly proud of these reasons because they are kind of weak but.. Aside from his confirmation bias on marv, I think he's made smart points. "HF gets no towncred for this push fake or not" comes to mind. Maybe he's going to low hanging fruit, but his reads have some depth: And he's been inquisitive about stuff in a way that looks genuine. Lots of "why"s. I think this is his best post: On May 25 2016 20:01 Rels wrote: This is a bad read. Scum defends lynchbait townie all the time for exactly this reason. This is a post that I also keyed in on, but then rels never mentions tumble again in the remainder of his filter. Town rels to me, keeps pulling on a loose thread until he reaches the end; why does he just drop this? His read on me makes no sense too, he likes everything I post but thinks the style in which I am playing is inherently anti-town thus I am mafia. Since when does style supersede content...especially for rels? I also believe his points against superbia are significantly better than his points against marv and much more grounded in non-meta crap, which begs the question for me why the hell he is pushing marv so much harder than superbia? This post took way too long on this device; sticking to short replies. | ||
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On May 26 2016 04:58 Damdred wrote: Here's the truth, hf is going to flip town 95% of the time. No way he fucks his team mates over even if he's about to go to work mostly unless Marv is his team mate I guess. Then all that cred but yeah Do you have reads you feel strongly about? | ||
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