[M][N] H O L Y F * * * E mafia!!

On May 23 2016 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Yeah i do. I am not really sure if people try to abuse this shit or are they somehow incapable of realizing they still have to sitout something before joining games...

On May 23 2016 23:11 justanothertownie wrote:

Hm? I don't care if you play or not - I just wanted to make sure that what happened after last game isn't repeated this time.

On May 24 2016 07:11 Koshi wrote:
First. Town. Confirmed.

I'll be a scrub left in the PoE pool. Let's see if the "good" players lynch me. I won't hold you accountable.

On May 24 2016 07:13 Holyflare wrote:
I don't see any fail. I could still easily be the first town.

On May 24 2016 07:11 Holyflare wrote:


Mother fucker.

On May 24 2016 22:42 LightningStrike wrote:
Good morning guys I just woke up:
I think Koshi is most likely town due to his reactions to me vs HF at least his emotions from it.
Tumblewood is likely town he just normally have strange thought processes as townn or at least can't be understood as well.
@kush: why you voting marv atm? Unless I missing something you didn't give a reason a reason to vote him.

On May 24 2016 23:28 Koshi wrote:
Kush town. Because he said "probably".

On May 25 2016 08:44 sicklucker wrote:
idk didnt read it. but unlike you ritoky should know hes lynch bait and have some scepticism

On May 25 2016 20:37 Rels wrote:
Caught up. marv is very likely scum.
His excuse is probably true, but the fact that he only gave it after the game start is a little weird. More than that, he has no reason to have been AFK last night, but the fact is that he did not play. So that could mean:
- he is scum => he couldn't motivate himself to play
- he is town and had a good reason => why didn't he post that reason ? => unlikely

And I have proof of that. In really small mafia II (or whatever the name was, the first rayn invite game), he was scum, did exactly that (AFK with no excuse + showed up near deadline to fight off his lynch) and was lynched D1. In start wars, the next game he played, he was town and admitted this was a scumtell for him. Gonna look for the quote.

The quote:



His scum filter in really small mafia 2

##Vote marvellosity

On May 25 2016 20:50 Koshi wrote:
Next game I am not going to post at all in the first 30 hours. Cuz I am just way too good.

On May 25 2016 13:08 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay I needed a few hours break so I can refocus on the game but the case againist Palmar is strong.

Part 1:Okay first off Palmar did have a weak entrance into the thread
+ Show Spoiler +
So in the first 10 posts in the game he thinks I mafia and I tried to ask him to expand on that several times:
+ Show Spoiler +
Then finally gives me a really lackluster response as to why I am scum:
+ Show Spoiler +
What kind of a answer is that? it very illogical like why does he being town makes me scum?
Palmar as town would actually give some decent reasoning but for him to respond like that? I don't think this comes from a town Palmar at all.
Point 2: Palmar actually seemed to be actively lurking:
So between his post on 263 and 371 he never spoke a word until post 371 which was:

He blatantly admitted to actively lurking during that two hour of time between those posts.
Point 3: He tried to defend himself from the push on him with this post:

That defense post by him was rather lackluster and he would actually try to stop his push harder as town.
These three points are what makes Palmar scum and we should lynch with fire.
TLDR Version:
1. Palmar weak entrance into just calling me mafia jsut because he's town which is very bad logic.
2. He was actively lurking between his post on 263 and 371
3. Rather weak defense when people were wanting to lynch him and he would try harder as town to stop the push on him.
Please discuss my case guys I beg of you guys to do it.

On May 25 2016 21:49 LightningStrike wrote:

Amuse me man why am I scum? You know I never made a case on anyone as scum.

On May 25 2016 22:06 Koshi wrote:

Everything here is good. Especially the last paragraph shows clear townie mindset. You might not agree with things like the first sentence in the last paragraph, but I can see a town solving the game write it. And the rest shows that same mindset. Town solving game.

On May 25 2016 22:34 LightningStrike wrote:

I was scum with Damdred and he told me to all caps as scum. This game there wasn't many cases being thrown around so what do I gain by making my case onto my scum?

On May 25 2016 22:28 Koshi wrote:
ignoring kush due to him being bad

On May 25 2016 22:44 sicklucker wrote:


Hes the same flailing fish then I caught a mafia day 1 in my last game...

even then im thinking of letting him have a day I feel pretty bad. Its like beating a dead animal. wounded etc

On May 25 2016 22:46 Palmar wrote:
I am actually pretty damn certain holyflare is mafia guys

On May 25 2016 22:54 Rels wrote:

Your case 100% doesn't make him mafia. His filter is fine, what is kinda bad ab<script id="gpt-impl-0.8154270913774578" src="http://partner.googleadservices.com/gpt/pubads_impl_88.js"></script>out it ?

On May 26 2016 00:48 justanothertownie wrote:
If it is what you said earlier it is bullshit.

On May 26 2016 02:10 Damdred wrote:
So I had things come up and I think I'm like 20 pages behind. Who should I specifically look at atm?

On May 26 2016 02:48 Koshi wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Holyflare
reason: It is fucking obvious marv/Palmar and Superbia are mafia. Both fuckers think Superbia is mafia but want to do big plays and lynch Holyflare? And that fucker in response self votes? hahaha.

ggwp. Got to go to event. Should be back before deadline but hopefully I am not.

On May 26 2016 03:34 Rels wrote:
And I see now what JAT was talking about. If Palmar is participating in this madness he must be scum too

On May 26 2016 04:02 Rels wrote:

kush did you do this ?

On May 26 2016 04:40 ritoky wrote:
If I had my preferred lynch today it would be rels. Things he is electing to highlight and prod at this game are shallow at best, his reasoning for suspicions and pushes is poor for his standards, and when he types in caps or types in his "passion voice" it feels contrived.

On May 26 2016 04:51 ritoky wrote:


Why do you disagree?

This is scummy by Superbia. I expect town!Superbia to not do what HF and JAT are attacking him for, and more than that I expect town!Superbia to understand why he's being attacked for that instead of being super defensive. The last game I've played with town!Superbia was resistance V, and he did all kind of smart sneaky stuff about his vote to get scum to slip by voting incorrectly.

I disagree with the ritoky's read, he has put himself in a position where he does not need to do anything apart from responding to people. When someone types a code he responds to it. He didn't do anything that wasn't required. I agree his posts are good, he has good points on Tumble, he has good points on Superbia but the conclusion is stupid given his points, his post on SL is kinda useless.

On May 26 2016 04:58 Damdred wrote:
Here's the truth, hf is going to flip town 95% of the time. No way he fucks his team mates over even if he's about to go to work mostly unless Marv is his team mate I guess. Then all that cred but yeah

On May 26 2016 05:51 marvellosity wrote:

i think there's almost no chance damdred defends hf like that at the last minute if they are partners

On May 26 2016 06:04 LightningStrike wrote:
Hey guys I here now I was just playing LoL into helping my mother. Why is everyone still on HF? I think we can lynch another person that isn't HF if we work together.

On May 26 2016 07:09 Tumblewood wrote:
All me
BTW LS is yet again confirmed town

On May 26 2016 07:27 Koshi wrote:
Well I have never been so sure about anything ever.

On May 26 2016 07:36 LightningStrike wrote:

Hey I did turn it around at least after the flip.

On May 26 2016 07:40 Damdred wrote:
And people go through really rough patches sometimes no need to disqualify someone because they were wrong and actually pointing out something that's a good point. The progression on rot read (mine to a lesser extent as well) lacks much fluidity.

It is a good point by koshi

On May 26 2016 07:50 LightningStrike wrote:

After HF's flip I came around and now I think he is town.

On May 26 2016 07:53 LightningStrike wrote:

Oh your make me laugh at times lol. Anyways thoughts on Superbia?

On May 26 2016 08:12 Koshi wrote:

nobody moved to HF for that reason. Nobody.

On May 26 2016 08:18 justanothertownie wrote:
buuuuuuuuuuuuuullshiiiiiiiit

On May 26 2016 02:19 Damdred wrote:
Ls I'm pretty sure is town tbh. Rough start pushing what he thinks. I mean it would be such a good adjustment in his scum game to do this I kinda can't see it right now.

On May 26 2016 09:08 sicklucker wrote:
who died

On May 26 2016 09:36 sicklucker wrote:


yep think so. maybe ls whoever hf's team mates are they are in a terrible position or I dont think he gives up to a shitty palmar push. hell he barely tried

On May 27 2016 01:16 Damdred wrote:
Yeah let me tell you, it's a lot more optimal to want to Lynch someone else and right when I can get 0 cred and the other person has a small chance of lynched I jump off to scum. I'm totally scum yo

On May 27 2016 02:14 justanothertownie wrote:

Like, it is pretty much impossible for a sane human being to think you had any part in getting HF lynched.

On May 25 2016 02:41 Superbia wrote:


The grand problem with HF's 'push' is that it assumes I am asking for LS's read because I think LS is town and I want to know his opinion on kush because I don't have a good read on him. It could not be more ass backwards.

I thought LS was sort of kinda-ish on the scummy side, and him calling two people town (both questionable reads imo) and questioning a third (kush) in the same post indicates to me that he was not reading kush town (someone whom I believe is likely town at this point) seemed to traverse him more in that direction, so I asked him for a hard read on kush (the read he gave was sort of meh). That being said, I have a decent meta-read on LS (I think), so I'm not drawing any conclusion of this yet. Just means he's starting off in the poor side of town (shitty suburbs).

Now this what I do all the time as town, and I have never (iirc) asked for a genuine opinion on someone to become more informed. The question is always to get to know more about the person questioned, rather than the subject. This is like standard 101 townplay, which I why I am very confused as to why a good 'town' player would jump on this with this utterly absurd and simplistic point of view.

Hence why I am skeptical of HF, as this is his second garbage push. And he's (supposed to be) a good player.

And even more skeptical of you, because you have been buddying up to HF early on, even though I don't think anyone should have a town read on HF. And you're a very anal town player.

On May 27 2016 02:31 justanothertownie wrote:

No, it is not. It was misrepresenting the argument against him and completely avoided the issue. There is 0 towny thought in it.

On May 27 2016 02:32 justanothertownie wrote:
On top of misrepresenting my meta.

On May 27 2016 02:37 justanothertownie wrote:

Of course it is. Wtf are you smoking?

On May 27 2016 02:43 justanothertownie wrote:

Of course it is going to help me. Wtf is this bullshit.

On May 27 2016 08:06 Palmar wrote:
only reason anyone would shoot koshi is marv.

If it's not marv, mafia would shoot me or marv.

this makes marv mafia every time.

On May 27 2016 08:21 Damdred wrote:
Never lynching me kush never

On May 27 2016 09:11 sicklucker wrote:
kush you wanna replace koshi? im not as sure your town but desperate times. the tyranny of plummer is coming

On May 27 2016 09:12 sicklucker wrote:


even ls knows the truth!

On May 27 2016 09:15 sicklucker wrote:
and the fact koshi was the nk over someone like palmar, suggest mine and koshis theory of ritoky+ super is quite likely and that will be who I will kill today

On May 27 2016 09:18 justanothertownie wrote:
I don't even think ritoky + super ever was really his theory.

On May 27 2016 09:32 sicklucker wrote:
kush why do you think im going to lynch a townie today?

On May 27 2016 09:38 sicklucker wrote:


i mean if im wrong its probably dandred. not sure about both but one for sure...

so i can make you this deal. If i decide this lynch I will lynch your choice tormorow. but if its out of mine or are hands no deal ok?

On May 27 2016 10:25 Damdred wrote:
I'm town though so your theory doesn't hold water.

On May 27 2016 15:39 Damdred wrote:
It's also sad to say that I hate not clearing Marv and Palmar for the Hf kill all the way. Also I don't want to Lynch tumble today either, I think that's just a bad time waiting to happen.

I also hate that hf self voted so early which kind of means his scum team was either in a position to gain ultimate cred (maybe Marv or Palmar maybe both) which would be interesting with his lackadaisical attitude at points.

Or his scum team was already under scrutiny and couldn't stand up to the combined weight of Palmar Marv and jat (trifecta of doom).

Probably the scenario two makes the most sense because even an afk hf is better than a dead hf. Anyway I have to think on it and sometime read what I haven't.

Sleeping now

On May 27 2016 22:33 Damdred wrote:
Because if my scum mate did t want to play or was suicidal I'd kill them. I have a ton of history cred is more important to me than a full scum team

On May 27 2016 22:36 Damdred wrote:
5th on a wagon when 13 people are alive isnt no cred available. Plus if hf was legit giving up I'm sure the scum qt would of planned when he self voted. So could of gotten on before that.

On May 26 2016 02:45 Holyflare wrote:
##unvote
##vote holyflare

If you don't spell my name right it doesn't count kush. Anyway, enjoyed my holiday, don't really feel like playing now I'm back to work tomorrow :D

On May 26 2016 02:47 Holyflare wrote:
Miss you guys though.

Lynch Superbia after I'm gone you pussies.

On May 26 2016 02:49 Holyflare wrote:


I like all of his posts/cases apart from his shit association one with him basically calling superbia mafia but then not because he mafia read tumble.

I don't think tumble is mafia anymore, he posted something super genuine and obstinate about his ls read that I liked so it makes ritoky's post in context worse.

On May 26 2016 03:17 Holyflare wrote:


Well yeah, it's suboptimal but does it make him mafia?

I'd vote for super after me for:

A) repetitive ask excuses

B) after being called out just got into a shit fight with jat about jat's meta that he got wrong

C) something about following his mafia meta

D) more arguing about what games he was in with jat and not much else??

It's a lot of arguing and no content other than butt hurt.

My phone died and I stole my gf one, been in fucking car for 4 hours from Gatwick and it's annoying us both and I've got some sinus infection, yay holidays.

Plz lynch me.

On May 27 2016 23:46 Tumblewood wrote:
Kush didn't you say at the start of the game that Damdred and HF weren't together? Do you stand by that?

On May 27 2016 22:47 justanothertownie wrote:

He desperately wanted to live.





Come on kush.

On May 28 2016 00:13 justanothertownie wrote:

No, I am taking a confirmed scums actions, which consisted of selfvoting, going inactive and begging for his own lynch and conclude he did not defend himself.

Which is a pretty easy conclusion to reach.

On May 28 2016 01:02 Vivax wrote:
it in the current circumstances cause marv is getting voted already. The only instance where I would post it is if marv WAS actually getting a pass, which he isn't. It's a super disconnected post from the game.

On May 28 2016 01:12 Vivax wrote:


But I'm talking about superbia ...

You mentioned Damdred spewing text right after marv voted for him, yet you don't seem to consider marv's play is indicative of him being mafia, or that Damdred actually voted him first.

Any reason not to be suspicious of marv?

On May 28 2016 01:16 justanothertownie wrote:

No, it doesn't.

If he didn't plan to suicide he wouldn't have selfvoted and he would have posted way more. This whole line of reasoning is retarded.

On May 28 2016 01:39 Vivax wrote:


I'ma take a look at how the lynch got going in particular, meanwhile if you could point me to the posts you find townie and explain it would be cool.

On May 28 2016 02:41 Tumblewood wrote:
Kush ur bad ls is most obvious town

On May 28 2016 02:49 Vivax wrote:
I don't believe HF is enough of a dick to not inform his team that his play is gonna be shite and he's going to martyr.
The vote by marv saying yolo is no contribution at all to his lynch, I don't know why you think he has been the main contributor to the HF lynch when Palmar was.

On May 28 2016 02:55 LightningStrike wrote:

If I wanted to buddy anyone it would be Damdred tbh because Damdred is normally good at reading me lol.

On May 28 2016 03:05 LightningStrike wrote:

Just don't listen to him he just super confirmed bias lol.

On May 28 2016 03:07 Damdred wrote:
I really just don't know why kush thinks I'm scum just his statements every few minutes

On May 28 2016 03:10 Vivax wrote:


The bolded never happened. The closest thing you got is the yolo and it still has no connection at all to what Palmar said. Feels like you're making stuff up just to fit your story.

On May 26 2016 02:02 marvellosity wrote:

Reading snippets while I have a moment. I'm not really so much fine with being lynched as I kinda realise it's inevitable.

I'm not sure why you think with any reasonable certainty at all that I am mafia this game given being veteran and shot last game saved me from bag loads of suspicion as I was inactive and didn't play for most of d1. Granted I had more posts there but I started a new job this week so there we go.

I'd like to call you town but I'm almost loathe to do so as you calling me town last game was a reason you were mafia, but the one thing you quoted on hf was actually quite okay

On May 28 2016 03:18 justanothertownie wrote:

I will leave the obvious bullshit alone, fine.

But the bolded is completely and factually wrong. Superbia did not vote HF before he selfvoted.

On May 24 2016 07:24 Damdred wrote:


I don't understand ls? Maybe some tmi in this post hrmmm

On May 24 2016 10:36 Damdred wrote:
It's not an over reaction by ls though which kinda makes it funny. He generally is really paranoid about Hf for sure and myself to a lesser extent but he instantly goes to us being crazy and Hf being confirm bias instead of thinking either of us could be scum.

I'm not super sold yet but it's a good thouht

On May 28 2016 02:48 Damdred wrote:
Well most obvious idk it could explain why he was so relaxed about the pressure from HF if he was scum

Idk though his push on palmar and super felt like town ls though. The lack of emotion is a bit strange but don't want to Lynch him yet.

On May 24 2016 23:52 Damdred wrote:
Ls probably just town maybe, so is Kush probably.

Oh well looks like might have to plynch some non players

On May 26 2016 02:19 Damdred wrote:
Ls I'm pretty sure is town tbh. Rough start pushing what he thinks. I mean it would be such a good adjustment in his scum game to do this I kinda can't see it right now.

On May 28 2016 02:48 Damdred wrote:
Well most obvious idk it could explain why he was so relaxed about the pressure from HF if he was scum

Idk though his push on palmar and super felt like town ls though. The lack of emotion is a bit strange but don't want to Lynch him yet.

On May 28 2016 03:29 Tumblewood wrote:

and you're hopelessly tunneled
and bad

On May 28 2016 03:34 Tumblewood wrote:

Is this a joke

On May 28 2016 05:08 Tumblewood wrote:

I come and go as I please thank you very much
And no. That is definitely townie, but also his early early game interaction with HF is for sure not SvS. Also his content (like his dumb push on Palmar) is bad but in a scrub-town sort of way.

On May 28 2016 08:46 Damdred wrote:
Slow day so far nit nuch in the way if marv sadly meh.

On May 28 2016 13:09 Damdred wrote:
Probably scum I suppose alignment I addictive most of the time

On May 28 2016 17:30 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
If I'm wrong maybe ritoky slot would be my next guess.

On May 28 2016 18:43 sicklucker wrote:
hum i dont want to lynch marv acually. but he deserves it

On May 28 2016 18:47 sicklucker wrote:
also koshi looked like a pr. I was very worried I might have made him slip day 1 somewhere I forget. I kind of thought he was a powerrole personnaly and I probably would have nked him if I was mafia

+ Show Spoiler +

On May 28 2016 18:23 Palmar wrote:
that was a long ass post saying nothing but:

On May 28 2016 18:20 Palmar wrote:
right. If it wasn't obvious I wasn't really serious about killing marv because of the night kill.

However, his response to it has been uncharacteristic. I honestly have no idea what that means. I could see a world where marv is frustrated by being put under pressure for no good reason at all and just goes fuck it. However it would be a complete first for him that I remember as town.

I don't even know if I can draw the line from "uncharacteristic -> scum". But given how he has responded today, which was mostly very hostile, I also can't make the opposite conclusion.

Like if we assume marv is just normal marv, he must be mafia here, because he would never be this hostile, unproductive as town. I am of course speculating here, but my experience leads me to believe he would have ridiculed or ignored me and spent his time doing at least something useful, however little time that is.

In conclusion, I'm debating myself whether I should stay on lynching marv. I have absolutely 0 faith in the argument I voted him for earlier in the day (the NK one). It feels like a dick move to lynch him like this, because I mostly baited him into becoming mad. On the other hand, if I lose to a marv that doesn't play like a town marv I would be pretty furious at myself. Also, I genuinely believe what I said on day 1 about marv being tired of his meta, so technically maybe it's ok to lynch him as town this one time to open up his doors for being less productive than what we're used to.

I _think_ it's mechanically the right play to kill marv today. He hasn't given us any information and mostly just built a fort from where he calls people bad. No matter how you look at it, marv doesn't sound like town marv. But the problem is I'm not entirely sure he sounds like scum marv either.

In other news, Rels sheeping my fake and bad reasoning in the way he did looks really bad.

On May 30 2016 00:10 Rels wrote:

JAT asked you to explain this and you didn't. Why were you afraid of this happening ?
Another thing: can you explain why yuo were so sure marv was town ?

On May 30 2016 08:08 Damdred wrote:
And which nights did you check who is a better way to say it

On May 31 2016 23:52 Rels wrote:
Concerning the possibility of stuff messing with checks, this is very true:

Parity cop has 2 checks for only 1 info. It would be weird if there is two things messing with his already "bad" ability

On June 01 2016 01:12 Rels wrote:
Thinking about if palmar could think I'm scum as town I had a great thought
Palmar raped me in pyp
In the jat game I was scum and palmar was super underwhelming. Nevertheless I killed him n1 cause Im very scared of him as scum
Him being alive is a big tell I'm not scum to him. Him.bot being able to see that is another scum tell
Im gonna set on scum palmar and blame him being terrible if I'm wrong

On June 01 2016 02:41 Rels wrote:
And I usually have a hard time reading LS but I think the thing I explained about how he handled pressure early is a good reason to townread him
Then Tumble is only town because of LS

On June 01 2016 03:58 Superbia wrote:
Wait kush you checked tumble the same night as damdred jk?

On May 30 2016 05:42 Damdred wrote:
Also because I'm dumb and tried to Yolo block mafia I hit tumble n1 Rio my bad decisions and koshi

On May 31 2016 22:04 Damdred wrote:
Yeah gf could be messing with checks but I don't think it's worth thinking about that quite yet.

Sl looks town thankfully though.

Games almost on auto soon at least.

On June 01 2016 04:14 Palmar wrote:
don't roleblocks generally resolve simultaneously?

If a rb/JK + rb/JK target each other both of their actions go through on each other assuming there is not a third block (JK still also protects) and also show to a tracker. Meaning:
- rb!A and rb!B target each other. Both of them are roleblocked. Both of them show to a possible tracker as visiting each other.
- If there is a rb!C who in the above scenario blocks rb!A, A's block on B will not go through (if B is also delivering the mafia night kill it will go through, which would not be the case in the above scenario).

On June 01 2016 04:27 Damdred wrote:
Possible but such a bastard setup in the case

On June 01 2016 04:36 LightningStrike wrote:
Damdred if you try to lynch me gl because I only been mislynched once past Day 2 and that was because kush tunneled on me for very bad reasons in Metal Mini which lost us the game because it was LYLO :\

On June 01 2016 06:39 LightningStrike wrote:
Hmm the quietness of this thread atm is kinda worrying but I think Superbia will flip scum if it not him it probably Rels/Vivax as the remaining scum team based on my PoE.

On June 01 2016 07:35 Damdred wrote:


Such bm, at least I didn't tunnel a blue and town though

On June 02 2016 00:39 LightningStrike wrote:

To be fair no one knew that kush checked me and tumblewood before that NK lol.

On June 02 2016 04:02 sicklucker wrote:
or rels or palmar. the next 3 lynches are auto. host needs to end this so the real game ms paint can start

On June 02 2016 07:29 sicklucker wrote:
Not killing dandred in the spot mafia was in is comparable to not throwing a hail marry pass with 10 seconds left 80 yards away in a football game. like come on

On June 02 2016 07:34 Damdred wrote:
The game wasn't overloaded though with pr and overall the pr were weAk. Town just played pretty well

On June 03 2016 03:36 justanothertownie wrote:

Sure, I just don't get what it has to do with this game.