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justanothertownie
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On May 29 2016 20:40 Rels wrote: I'm back home. marv flipping blue is kinda disgraceful -_- even more than that, his silence lead to this inactivity. Gonna put the time necessary to solve the game at some point today His silence is also the only reason he got lynched. If he had fought even a little I never would have lynched him. The problem is that I don't really know what this means for palmars alignment. He knows marv better than me and even I had strong doubts about this. So did he also get fooled by the rolling over (which technically shouldn't happen) or did he just use this opportunity to mislynch someone who should always be a nightkill instead?! I don't know. I will give him the benefit of the doubt for now but please do take this into account if he is alive in LYLO. Do not let him cruise through this game once again. In other news I will be murdering superbia with fire tomorrow. Would also not be sad to see Vivax and Rels go. | ||
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Totally unrelated, yesterday I was visiting my scout gruop I used to be part of, and during the evening my pals made their children gruop (20 youngies between 12 and 16 years old) play mafia. It was so bad p: 17v3 town vs mafia all vanilla, and no night too, just lynch after lynch. There was no discussion, just "OK we kill that guy! What's your defense ?" "ugh dunno bro I'm not mafia" "OK we kill him!" 15 lynches later town won but really there was no game. p: I made my pals play resistance aruond a bonfire when the children were asleep, it was much cooler. ^^ | ||
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Rels
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There are two other town indicators. First, Palmar last game showed how scared he is from marv. I think scum!Palmar wouldn't use a fabricated argument to push marv, when marv is kinda known for pushing the guys attacking him. And at the time he made that "marv is scum because of NK" post, it was start of D2, marv had a townie EOD1 so it wasn't clear he would just give up and get lynched. Second, the "NK trap". It's something I've seen Palmar do in PYP, where he claimed SL was scum for a BS reason and caught me for sheeping it. Talking about these posts: On May 27 2016 08:06 Palmar wrote: only reason anyone would shoot koshi is marv. If it's not marv, mafia would shoot me or marv. this makes marv mafia every time. On May 28 2016 18:20 Palmar wrote: right. If it wasn't obvious I wasn't really serious about killing marv because of the night kill. However, his response to it has been uncharacteristic. I honestly have no idea what that means. I could see a world where marv is frustrated by being put under pressure for no good reason at all and just goes fuck it. However it would be a complete first for him that I remember as town. I don't even know if I can draw the line from "uncharacteristic -> scum". But given how he has responded today, which was mostly very hostile, I also can't make the opposite conclusion. Like if we assume marv is just normal marv, he must be mafia here, because he would never be this hostile, unproductive as town. I am of course speculating here, but my experience leads me to believe he would have ridiculed or ignored me and spent his time doing at least something useful, however little time that is. In conclusion, I'm debating myself whether I should stay on lynching marv. I have absolutely 0 faith in the argument I voted him for earlier in the day (the NK one). It feels like a dick move to lynch him like this, because I mostly baited him into becoming mad. On the other hand, if I lose to a marv that doesn't play like a town marv I would be pretty furious at myself. Also, I genuinely believe what I said on day 1 about marv being tired of his meta, so technically maybe it's ok to lynch him as town this one time to open up his doors for being less productive than what we're used to. I _think_ it's mechanically the right play to kill marv today. He hasn't given us any information and mostly just built a fort from where he calls people bad. No matter how you look at it, marv doesn't sound like town marv. But the problem is I'm not entirely sure he sounds like scum marv either. In other news, Rels sheeping my fake and bad reasoning in the way he did looks really bad. The doubt in this post also seems townie but I'm pretty sure scum!Palmar could post that as well, especially there is an obvious scum motivation (give an excuse why he pushed town!marv before marv even flipped) so it's not worth any town points. The only scummy thing I saw in his filter is him not pushing me harder for the trap. He pushed me super hard in PYP after he caught me with his trap. | ||
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Superbia's vote on HF was late, after HF already gave up. Superbia's vote on marv was late, as if he wanted to see if marv would fire up before casting a vote. Superbia's aggression is really reminiscent of his past scum games. This post: On May 26 2016 16:41 Superbia wrote: I'm super envious about the sway Palmar/Marv have. Especially when it's now obvious I was not crazy. Made me realize that Superbia calling one of HF / JAT scum with for the sole reason they were pushing him smells like TMI. He's very likely scum. | ||
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On May 28 2016 21:47 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: I was afraid of that happening lol. JAT asked you to explain this and you didn't. Why were you afraid of this happening ? Another thing: can you explain why yuo were so sure marv was town ? | ||
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On May 29 2016 00:01 Vivax wrote: Im back. Contrary to what kush said the NK isn't the reason marv has a majority on him, it was just the fake reason Palmar used. Only Rels sheeped that reasoning afaik, and Palmar shat on him for that (but in my opinion concluding stuff from the NK is legit play as long as it's not the only base you have). The main reason is just the straight up unmotivated play which is his mafia meta. If marv is town here and actually lynched scum on D1, he should be on a goddamn crusade already shitting on everyone voting for him, but he's like "meh stupids lynch Vivax". He tries to lynch me in every fucking game save a few very rare exceptions, it's like a sport for him. He knows it, so he will try to do it as either alignment. It's also pretty easy to push a replacement since you can more easily make it appear as if he isn't doing much. If you judge my play you have to judge it as if this was still D1, cause for me it is. Having said that, I still think we lynch into super or marv today and if we didn't win we just keep going. I also advise you to simply check out their interactions. Marv's read on super is very shallow and he's keeping him in a blind spot, while super has the post that says "I dont think marv should get a pass" which is a scummy post in the context in which it was posted since marv wasn't getting a pass at all. And it also doesn't give any read on him. This post is incredibly townie to me. First, he's pushing marv even more when it was 7 hours before deadline and marv still didn't do anything, so at a point where the lynch was likely to be mrv. This whole reasonning as to why marv is scummy when he's already the lynch feels super townie, especially since from what I remember Vivax is not a super tryhard scum. But it's the last paragraph that is super townie. marv is super likely to be lynchec and flip town, but Vivax is so sure marv is scum that he's basing a relationship read between marv and Superbia on that fact. I feel like as scum knowing marv will flip town, he would be more careful about basing a read on the fact that marv is scum when marv is going to flip town soon. Vivax, what is your read of Superbia now ? | ||
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On May 29 2016 02:58 LightningStrike wrote: If marv flips scum can we please lynch Superbia afterwards? Game will end with his lynch most likely. Since my planned lynch isn't happening I might as well vote the main wagon. ##Vote: Marvellosity BTW this post I found reading Vivax' filter is kinda the same thing as above. It's like reverse TMI | ||
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On May 25 2016 22:22 sicklucker wrote: 1/11 chance of being mafia with you and ritoky =D | ||
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HAVING SAID THAT it's my experience because SL says it's something scum!SL doesn't do all the time. So he's clearly aware of it and can easily change it. I still think it's a small town indicator though ? I feel like a fool thinking it could be, maybe it's NAI since in last game SL clearly claimed it to prove he was town and some people played in both the last agme and are playing in this agme. | ||
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On May 27 2016 09:30 sicklucker wrote: hum... I mean lets see a bit closer to deadline. im not even set on super yet. I just noticed dandred voted marv. tempting... also wtf? ok im not sure i want you in my trifecta Why ? I thought you had a soulread scumread on him earlier ? What made you change yuor mind abuot it ? | ||
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And despite voting Superbia and soul scumreading him earlier, and him being super scummy, you ended up not talking abuot him at all the rest of D2 ? | ||
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nnn_thekushmountains
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On May 30 2016 00:10 Rels wrote: JAT asked you to explain this and you didn't. Why were you afraid of this happening ? Another thing: can you explain why yuo were so sure marv was town ? answer to both questions: my skillz | ||
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