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Super probably didn't roll scum for the 10th time. Jealous is making posts i don't really want read but is being towny Quicktwist is being trolly but having moments of clarity so i can't be too upset with him I think skynx is scummy because he is hardly commenting on anything relevant when he posts while also not chatting it up or anything. Posting for the sake of posting I'm only on page 27 so grains of salt all around I'm going for slurpees anyone want anything? | ||
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I like tumble now also | ||
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I promise to go through the day in the night and maybe some d1 vca but i haven't been home in days. I will be tomorrow though | ||
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On June 05 2016 17:16 QuickTwist wrote: Show nested quote + On June 05 2016 16:55 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm honestly not going to have much time to play until later tomorrow so I'm parking my vote on my preliminary scumread. I promise to go through the day in the night and maybe some d1 vca but i haven't been home in days. I will be tomorrow though I'm sorry what? You have no vote yet. WTF, man?!?! Yeah I do | ||
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On June 05 2016 22:22 Superbia wrote: I'm tempted to call kush mafia. I'm inclined to agree | ||
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I also agree with a lot of your reads but that's weaker | ||
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On June 06 2016 05:01 Jealous wrote: Show nested quote + On June 06 2016 04:45 QuickTwist wrote: On June 06 2016 04:21 Jealous wrote: As far as the other posters, I'm glad that people have started pushing some ideas around as we approach the deadline. Here are some thoughts I have on the game so far: 1. I think that a lot of people in this thread are grasping at straws right now, which is understandable because there isn't much to go off of on Day 1. I don't see any utterly clear alliances here as of yet. It seems like a lot of A thinks B is scum who thinks C is scum who thinks D is scum who thinks A is scum, or something of the like. 2. Given the seemingly inconclusive finger-pointing patters so far, we will have to wait to see the results of the lynch and who voted for whom as our next indicator. As of right now, if my hypothesis is correct and QT is scum, then the people who voted alongside him without much early justification would be kushmountains and Tumblewood, who have not changed their vote despite the player being changed out and I found their arguments for removing sqrt to be weak in the first place (inactivity plynch 2 hours into the game, if I recall correctly? on top of that, other people were just as inactive). This is the most alliance-y thing I can point at so far, but it's too early for me to concretely say I feel that they are scum. 3. Following this line of logic, I don't feel that the votes/inclinations on QT are indicative of a scum alliance because most people have shown their own reasons for voting for QT, most of which are valid, or at least more valid in my eyes than a Scott lynch. Of course, if QT flips town it is possible that one or two scum bandwagoned in order to ensure that he wins over Scott in the last voting push, but it will be hard to tell who. It's simply too early to speculate in specific terms about who would be scum or not in this hypothetical scenario, so I will wait until I see all of the votes and their results. 4. I haven't gotten a strong read on anyone, which is probably because I'm newbie. So far my "could be scum" list is: 1. Kushmountains 2. Tumblewood 3. Superbia (weak read on this, don't have much certainty at all) 4. Fecalfeast (too absent, regardless of whatever excuses he may have) and of course QT. Everyone else, as far as I can tell, is townie. Scott can be thrown up there as well for his relative inactivity but I don't think it's fair to judge as quickly because he only learned he was in the game less than 24 hours ago. What if I said YOU could be scum if I turn out to be Town. Baseless you think? Honestly it is really freaking annoying you haven't re-evaluated your read on me and somehow everything I do is scummy to you. That is the definition of confirmation bias. So because you have chosen to no re-evaluate your read on me, even though my content has improved as the shit posting of day 1 decreases. can't help but think you are pushing an agenda. Claiming VT. ##Vote: Jealous Your only concrete argument as far as I recall is the one you just made, which is that I am pushing an agenda, so it's not entirely baseless. However, as objective as I can possibly be about this, I would have to say that your argument is weak. The majority of the town has read me as town, and for some that was a choice between scumreading me or you. I will concede that your posting has definitely improved since the first 24 hours. I see what you mean by confirmation bias now more clearly. I will justify by saying it is akin to how one approaches science: you formulate a hypothesis, run a test, gather some data, try to ascertain a conclusion. Then you present your article for peer review. So far peer review has corroborated my initial findings. The initial results will be put to the test after we see the flop. Although you claimed Blue PR since the first minutes of the game, which could've meant anything since you were shitposting a lot in that time, this is the first time you've claimed VT. MoosyDoosy also claimed VT, if I'm correct in assuming VT = Veteran, but his posting has been inconsistent too. I'm not saying this to make any sort of point, just doing stream of consciousness at the moment. I don't think it'd be wise of you to claim Blue PR if you actually were a Blue PR in the first minutes of the game, because scum would know that you are not scum, and thus when both the Day 1 lynch and the first scum kill are relative stabs in the dark, this seems like a poor strategy because it paints a target on your back. Of course, this could backfire and cause us to do scum's work for them, but I believe that there is no stronger case right now for anyone else and thus I will maintain my vote for you. VT is Vanilla Townie which makes his new claim more dubious imo | ||
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On June 06 2016 05:09 Jealous wrote: Show nested quote + On June 06 2016 05:05 QuickTwist wrote: On June 06 2016 05:01 Jealous wrote: On June 06 2016 04:45 QuickTwist wrote: On June 06 2016 04:21 Jealous wrote: As far as the other posters, I'm glad that people have started pushing some ideas around as we approach the deadline. Here are some thoughts I have on the game so far: 1. I think that a lot of people in this thread are grasping at straws right now, which is understandable because there isn't much to go off of on Day 1. I don't see any utterly clear alliances here as of yet. It seems like a lot of A thinks B is scum who thinks C is scum who thinks D is scum who thinks A is scum, or something of the like. 2. Given the seemingly inconclusive finger-pointing patters so far, we will have to wait to see the results of the lynch and who voted for whom as our next indicator. As of right now, if my hypothesis is correct and QT is scum, then the people who voted alongside him without much early justification would be kushmountains and Tumblewood, who have not changed their vote despite the player being changed out and I found their arguments for removing sqrt to be weak in the first place (inactivity plynch 2 hours into the game, if I recall correctly? on top of that, other people were just as inactive). This is the most alliance-y thing I can point at so far, but it's too early for me to concretely say I feel that they are scum. 3. Following this line of logic, I don't feel that the votes/inclinations on QT are indicative of a scum alliance because most people have shown their own reasons for voting for QT, most of which are valid, or at least more valid in my eyes than a Scott lynch. Of course, if QT flips town it is possible that one or two scum bandwagoned in order to ensure that he wins over Scott in the last voting push, but it will be hard to tell who. It's simply too early to speculate in specific terms about who would be scum or not in this hypothetical scenario, so I will wait until I see all of the votes and their results. 4. I haven't gotten a strong read on anyone, which is probably because I'm newbie. So far my "could be scum" list is: 1. Kushmountains 2. Tumblewood 3. Superbia (weak read on this, don't have much certainty at all) 4. Fecalfeast (too absent, regardless of whatever excuses he may have) and of course QT. Everyone else, as far as I can tell, is townie. Scott can be thrown up there as well for his relative inactivity but I don't think it's fair to judge as quickly because he only learned he was in the game less than 24 hours ago. What if I said YOU could be scum if I turn out to be Town. Baseless you think? Honestly it is really freaking annoying you haven't re-evaluated your read on me and somehow everything I do is scummy to you. That is the definition of confirmation bias. So because you have chosen to no re-evaluate your read on me, even though my content has improved as the shit posting of day 1 decreases. can't help but think you are pushing an agenda. Claiming VT. ##Vote: Jealous Your only concrete argument as far as I recall is the one you just made, which is that I am pushing an agenda, so it's not entirely baseless. However, as objective as I can possibly be about this, I would have to say that your argument is weak. The majority of the town has read me as town, and for some that was a choice between scumreading me or you. I will concede that your posting has definitely improved since the first 24 hours. I see what you mean by confirmation bias now more clearly. I will justify by saying it is akin to how one approaches science: you formulate a hypothesis, run a test, gather some data, try to ascertain a conclusion. Then you present your article for peer review. So far peer review has corroborated my initial findings. The initial results will be put to the test after we see the flop. Although you claimed Blue PR since the first minutes of the game, which could've meant anything since you were shitposting a lot in that time, this is the first time you've claimed VT. MoosyDoosy also claimed VT, if I'm correct in assuming VT = Veteran, but his posting has been inconsistent too. I'm not saying this to make any sort of point, just doing stream of consciousness at the moment. I don't think it'd be wise of you to claim Blue PR if you actually were a Blue PR in the first minutes of the game, because scum would know that you are not scum, and thus when both the Day 1 lynch and the first scum kill are relative stabs in the dark, this seems like a poor strategy because it paints a target on your back. Of course, this could backfire and cause us to do scum's work for them, but I believe that there is no stronger case right now for anyone else and thus I will maintain my vote for you. OMG you are so wrong its not even funny. VT stands for vanilla townie. You are lynching the most worthless role there is in this game based on confirmation bias. People should take a really good look at you tomorrow. Yea, I made that mistake, again (posted this on the previous page), please disregard that last line of reasoning. However, this does not make the rest of the post "OMG so wrong." I stand by it. If you're saying the truth and you flip VT tomorrow, that would be unfortunate but not as bad as you being a blue PR, so that's taken a load off my shoulders ^^ If you're lying and you're scum, then that would be great and I'd be a boss. I'm liking this scenario. I really don't like this line of thinking. Yeah of course it's better to kill vt than blue but if you think there's a decent chance he is town why are you still so adamant about killing qt? | ||
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On June 06 2016 05:20 Tictock wrote: Show nested quote + On June 06 2016 05:12 Superbia wrote: On June 06 2016 05:08 Tictock wrote: On June 06 2016 04:53 Superbia wrote: I dislike that everyone was scumreading quicky that quickly (lolol), but I also don't like how quicky has been playing. Tbh, I have looked up a game of quicky on another site (town game), and quickly looked through it on Friday. He struck me as a decently clever town player. I'm kind of missing that feeling here. He feels very defensive and uncomfortable. But I'm pussying out and voting kush. I kinda agree, the general flow of the game and how the votes are going seem to signal a very low key scum team that is probably not up for lynch atm. QT is also giving me vibes that he's not really to concerned with the pressure atm which isn't really in line with a try-hard scum playing the activity game. I'm wondering if he's a player more like Moosy who's play can be pretty questionable and is lynchbait. While he's kinda all over the place and I have a hard time tracking much line of thought he is being pretty consistent about putting stuff out there. Is your desire to lynch kush based on meta, or is it more policy due to him being pretty lackluster and only pushing a plynch himself? I think I might be more keen on lynching Skynx myself. Skynx has been meh iirc. But newbies are generally somewhat harder to read. Kush hasn't really picked a direction and his pregame and ingame are off. Pregame he seemed very excited but ingame he hasn't been pro-active except for a shitty plynch push on scott which ended up being nothing. Ah yea, it is true the disparity in his pre-game to in-game is real. I thought he mostly plays from work so was kinda giving his low activity on the weekend a pass. He did say he plays from work shit... | ||
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On June 06 2016 05:21 Jealous wrote: Show nested quote + On June 06 2016 05:18 Fecalfeast wrote: On June 06 2016 05:09 Jealous wrote: On June 06 2016 05:05 QuickTwist wrote: On June 06 2016 05:01 Jealous wrote: On June 06 2016 04:45 QuickTwist wrote: On June 06 2016 04:21 Jealous wrote: As far as the other posters, I'm glad that people have started pushing some ideas around as we approach the deadline. Here are some thoughts I have on the game so far: 1. I think that a lot of people in this thread are grasping at straws right now, which is understandable because there isn't much to go off of on Day 1. I don't see any utterly clear alliances here as of yet. It seems like a lot of A thinks B is scum who thinks C is scum who thinks D is scum who thinks A is scum, or something of the like. 2. Given the seemingly inconclusive finger-pointing patters so far, we will have to wait to see the results of the lynch and who voted for whom as our next indicator. As of right now, if my hypothesis is correct and QT is scum, then the people who voted alongside him without much early justification would be kushmountains and Tumblewood, who have not changed their vote despite the player being changed out and I found their arguments for removing sqrt to be weak in the first place (inactivity plynch 2 hours into the game, if I recall correctly? on top of that, other people were just as inactive). This is the most alliance-y thing I can point at so far, but it's too early for me to concretely say I feel that they are scum. 3. Following this line of logic, I don't feel that the votes/inclinations on QT are indicative of a scum alliance because most people have shown their own reasons for voting for QT, most of which are valid, or at least more valid in my eyes than a Scott lynch. Of course, if QT flips town it is possible that one or two scum bandwagoned in order to ensure that he wins over Scott in the last voting push, but it will be hard to tell who. It's simply too early to speculate in specific terms about who would be scum or not in this hypothetical scenario, so I will wait until I see all of the votes and their results. 4. I haven't gotten a strong read on anyone, which is probably because I'm newbie. So far my "could be scum" list is: 1. Kushmountains 2. Tumblewood 3. Superbia (weak read on this, don't have much certainty at all) 4. Fecalfeast (too absent, regardless of whatever excuses he may have) and of course QT. Everyone else, as far as I can tell, is townie. Scott can be thrown up there as well for his relative inactivity but I don't think it's fair to judge as quickly because he only learned he was in the game less than 24 hours ago. What if I said YOU could be scum if I turn out to be Town. Baseless you think? Honestly it is really freaking annoying you haven't re-evaluated your read on me and somehow everything I do is scummy to you. That is the definition of confirmation bias. So because you have chosen to no re-evaluate your read on me, even though my content has improved as the shit posting of day 1 decreases. can't help but think you are pushing an agenda. Claiming VT. ##Vote: Jealous Your only concrete argument as far as I recall is the one you just made, which is that I am pushing an agenda, so it's not entirely baseless. However, as objective as I can possibly be about this, I would have to say that your argument is weak. The majority of the town has read me as town, and for some that was a choice between scumreading me or you. I will concede that your posting has definitely improved since the first 24 hours. I see what you mean by confirmation bias now more clearly. I will justify by saying it is akin to how one approaches science: you formulate a hypothesis, run a test, gather some data, try to ascertain a conclusion. Then you present your article for peer review. So far peer review has corroborated my initial findings. The initial results will be put to the test after we see the flop. Although you claimed Blue PR since the first minutes of the game, which could've meant anything since you were shitposting a lot in that time, this is the first time you've claimed VT. MoosyDoosy also claimed VT, if I'm correct in assuming VT = Veteran, but his posting has been inconsistent too. I'm not saying this to make any sort of point, just doing stream of consciousness at the moment. I don't think it'd be wise of you to claim Blue PR if you actually were a Blue PR in the first minutes of the game, because scum would know that you are not scum, and thus when both the Day 1 lynch and the first scum kill are relative stabs in the dark, this seems like a poor strategy because it paints a target on your back. Of course, this could backfire and cause us to do scum's work for them, but I believe that there is no stronger case right now for anyone else and thus I will maintain my vote for you. OMG you are so wrong its not even funny. VT stands for vanilla townie. You are lynching the most worthless role there is in this game based on confirmation bias. People should take a really good look at you tomorrow. Yea, I made that mistake, again (posted this on the previous page), please disregard that last line of reasoning. However, this does not make the rest of the post "OMG so wrong." I stand by it. If you're saying the truth and you flip VT tomorrow, that would be unfortunate but not as bad as you being a blue PR, so that's taken a load off my shoulders ^^ If you're lying and you're scum, then that would be great and I'd be a boss. I'm liking this scenario. I really don't like this line of thinking. Yeah of course it's better to kill vt than blue but if you think there's a decent chance he is town why are you still so adamant about killing qt? I don't think there is a decent chance. I only said "if." I'm adamant about killing him because he is the only scumread I have any certainty about and so I went after it. I guess I misinterpreted | ||
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On June 06 2016 05:22 Jealous wrote: Show nested quote + On June 06 2016 05:20 Fecalfeast wrote: On June 06 2016 05:20 Tictock wrote: On June 06 2016 05:12 Superbia wrote: On June 06 2016 05:08 Tictock wrote: On June 06 2016 04:53 Superbia wrote: I dislike that everyone was scumreading quicky that quickly (lolol), but I also don't like how quicky has been playing. Tbh, I have looked up a game of quicky on another site (town game), and quickly looked through it on Friday. He struck me as a decently clever town player. I'm kind of missing that feeling here. He feels very defensive and uncomfortable. But I'm pussying out and voting kush. I kinda agree, the general flow of the game and how the votes are going seem to signal a very low key scum team that is probably not up for lynch atm. QT is also giving me vibes that he's not really to concerned with the pressure atm which isn't really in line with a try-hard scum playing the activity game. I'm wondering if he's a player more like Moosy who's play can be pretty questionable and is lynchbait. While he's kinda all over the place and I have a hard time tracking much line of thought he is being pretty consistent about putting stuff out there. Is your desire to lynch kush based on meta, or is it more policy due to him being pretty lackluster and only pushing a plynch himself? I think I might be more keen on lynching Skynx myself. Skynx has been meh iirc. But newbies are generally somewhat harder to read. Kush hasn't really picked a direction and his pregame and ingame are off. Pregame he seemed very excited but ingame he hasn't been pro-active except for a shitty plynch push on scott which ended up being nothing. Ah yea, it is true the disparity in his pre-game to in-game is real. I thought he mostly plays from work so was kinda giving his low activity on the weekend a pass. He did say he plays from work shit... I don't see how that justifies him not playing at least a little bit on the weekends lol. Still voted him | ||
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On June 06 2016 06:40 Skynx wrote: Show nested quote + On June 06 2016 00:00 QuickTwist wrote: OK I reread the thread, here are my reads: Skynx and Ticktock are far and away my strongest scum reads and I really want one of them to get lynched today. I would be OK with a scott lynch. The Town AF people are: Emperorchampion blkcoffee beentheredonethat Tumblewood These are the people I will not be voting all game. After posting this why would you vote Jealous? Scott was tied with you for a long time and you making an impossible case 5 hours befour lynch? If you're really VT your moves dont make any sense. Good find, I would also like to see te answer to this | ||
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On June 06 2016 06:43 Tictock wrote: Show nested quote + On June 06 2016 06:38 MoosyDoosy wrote: On June 06 2016 06:37 Tictock wrote: On June 06 2016 05:34 emperorchampion wrote: I don't think too much has been said in the last few pages to sway my opinion on voting QT. What I'm thinking is that if QT is town, tumble is probably town and jealous is maf. And if QT if maf, tumble is probably maf, jealous is town. kush is a bit of a toss up, his filter is pretty empty but maybe he has an excuse? The plynch seems a little off to me. Why would QT being mafia make you think Tumble is mafia with him? tumble pressured QuickTwist a ton but ended up saying a policy lynch was better. I thought it was a bit suspicious too but i think kush would be more likely Mafia than Tumble if QuickTwist flips Mafia. Yea ok, I can see that. And yea Kush might be a fine lynch as well. Honestly though I'm just not sure if I really care who gets lynched between QT, Kush, Skynx, and emp atm. Lots of people not really giving out good town vibes is making this a bit of a toss up lynch. What is your beef with emperor | ||
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On June 06 2016 06:49 Jealous wrote: Show nested quote + On June 06 2016 06:47 Jealous wrote: On June 06 2016 06:40 Skynx wrote: On June 06 2016 00:00 QuickTwist wrote: OK I reread the thread, here are my reads: Skynx and Ticktock are far and away my strongest scum reads and I really want one of them to get lynched today. I would be OK with a scott lynch. The Town AF people are: Emperorchampion blkcoffee beentheredonethat Tumblewood These are the people I will not be voting all game. After posting this why would you vote Jealous? Scott was tied with you for a long time and you making an impossible case 5 hours befour lynch? If you're really VT your moves dont make any sense. To be quite honest, one possible reason is if he is in fact town, and thus suspects me of being mafia, so if he flips town he will further cast suspicion on me by voting for me. Someone already mentioned that if he flips town, they will think I am scum. This made me doubt he was scum for the first time in a while, because it makes sense as a townie move to me and would be guaranteed to have impact post-mortem whereas a vote for Scott would be seen as him trying to save his hide and might not even work considering how many people have been leaning scum on QT. The other possible reason is because according to him I "suck at this game." EBWOP Even though it made me doubt he was scum, it would be doubly foolish for me to change my vote, on top of the fact that I still see him as the #1 candidate. I understand your reasoning here but why are you answering for your #1 scumread? | ||
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On June 06 2016 06:52 MoosyDoosy wrote: Show nested quote + On June 06 2016 05:07 Superbia wrote: On June 06 2016 05:05 scott31337 wrote: I still haven't gotten my role and I've PM'ed all three hosts phhbbt I have to vote though Wow. I kind of think this is townie rofl. he has to be town. if you don't get a role but need to fulfill the post requirement you assume a town mindset lol. Thinking like a townie before you get your role has nothing to do with your alignment or am i being oblivious to the joke? | ||
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On June 06 2016 07:39 Tictock wrote: Something is up with my internet connection, shit has slowed down to a crawl. Hopefully it's just temporary, if somethings wrong I might be missing EoD. I'm partially tempted to stir the pot and suggest we shennanie here though, right now this only feels like a mafia lynch if the team is something like QT/Kush/ +1 (some afk or low impact player). Though tbh I kinda get the feeling the mafia team is pretty low impact this game anyways, though maybe kus we are just on the wrong track and they don't give a shit atm? Qt/btdt/kush would fit that team but I'm kinda basing that on qts flip which is super shitty | ||
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On June 06 2016 07:47 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: Wow were stfu lynching qt? That's mean considering there's 0 percent he's mafia. I'd like to lynch you or btdt instead at this point | ||
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On June 06 2016 07:57 Skynx wrote: How is no one mentioning blackcoffee? He's the one who entered late with the big ass case/post with colours and stuff which is nice. | ||
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On June 06 2016 08:07 Jealous wrote: Show nested quote + On June 06 2016 08:06 Tictock wrote: In retrospect kush was a smarter shenannie... Bleh, no was just waited far to long to pull the trigger. Why do it at all? One of our quirks here on tlmafia is that we do last minute vote switches a lot it's honestly pretty bad lol | ||
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On June 06 2016 08:10 Jealous wrote: Show nested quote + On June 06 2016 08:09 Fecalfeast wrote: On June 06 2016 08:07 Jealous wrote: On June 06 2016 08:06 Tictock wrote: In retrospect kush was a smarter shenannie... Bleh, no was just waited far to long to pull the trigger. Why do it at all? One of our quirks here on tlmafia is that we do last minute vote switches a lot it's honestly pretty bad lol That seems so dumb though. Why construct a false impression of your vote? That's just as misleading as posting a fake vote in this thread while voting for another in the vote thread, as QT did. The idea is that the lynch turns out to be fairly obviously town based on how the player is reacting to being lynched or how the thead is moving and we yolo try to kill a scummy guy instead | ||
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On June 06 2016 08:20 Jealous wrote: Show nested quote + On June 06 2016 08:16 Fecalfeast wrote: On June 06 2016 08:10 Jealous wrote: On June 06 2016 08:09 Fecalfeast wrote: On June 06 2016 08:07 Jealous wrote: On June 06 2016 08:06 Tictock wrote: In retrospect kush was a smarter shenannie... Bleh, no was just waited far to long to pull the trigger. Why do it at all? One of our quirks here on tlmafia is that we do last minute vote switches a lot it's honestly pretty bad lol That seems so dumb though. Why construct a false impression of your vote? That's just as misleading as posting a fake vote in this thread while voting for another in the vote thread, as QT did. The idea is that the lynch turns out to be fairly obviously town based on how the player is reacting to being lynched or how the thead is moving and we yolo try to kill a scummy guy instead Alright, that actually makes sense to me. But couldn't people use this as a cover to bandwagon someone and then jump ship for whatever reason? I can think of so many scenarios where this would be a scummy thing to do. I did mention it was bad, right? | ||
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On June 06 2016 09:38 emperorchampion wrote: Also blkcoffee didn't vote? Will he be mod killed? It's usually best not to worry about modkills or other mod actions. If it happens, it happens. | ||
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On June 06 2016 11:26 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: i mean ff want to explain the fuck were you thinking with that lynch? from the newbs i can understand but from you, wtf. I never voted qt | ||
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On June 06 2016 11:28 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: o you were voted someone else lol. we need a town leader. and you failed to fill that void, though I spent most of my time in thread on a phone away from home and when have I ever been a town leader? | ||
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On June 06 2016 11:31 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: Show nested quote + On June 06 2016 05:05 scott31337 wrote: I still haven't gotten my role and I've PM'ed all three hosts phhbbt I have to vote though Show nested quote + On June 06 2016 05:20 scott31337 wrote: Alright I finally got it I'm town I kept thinking if I was mafia with QT and had already voted for him it'd be really bad lol oh god this is so townie unfortunately. explain it to me please, why even have the first quote? | ||
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I didn't like skynx before when i was catching up but I can't quite remember why. Starting to get worried that lawyer jesus is huge-posting his way into every towncircle | ||
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On June 06 2016 11:42 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: jealous = lawyer jesus? yup | ||
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On June 06 2016 11:52 nnn_thekushmountains wrote: k jealous. who next? not me i hope i already mentioned btdt, and moosey | ||
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June 06 2016 06:13 GMT
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June 06 2016 15:09 GMT
#1078
On June 06 2016 23:47 Superbia wrote: Show nested quote + On June 06 2016 23:30 Tumblewood wrote: On June 06 2016 19:04 Superbia wrote: TW can you explain your read progression on jealous? I thought jealous was scum for tryharding but it became less insecure-tryhard and more driven-tryhard. At this point I don't think he could ever be scum. Wrong. Can you link me to past games of Jealous? He's not in TLDB. I think he linked them in his filter they are a different username I'll check when I'm not on phone | ||
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June 06 2016 15:53 GMT
#1080
On June 06 2016 15:07 Jealous wrote: My analysis of the data is the following and is reflected above in the chart. 1. I find FecalFeast the most suspicious now in my eyes. My reasoning is this: FF reads EC town FF reads EC town FF support Jealous read QT scum FF defends QT, questions Jealous FF switches vote to kush, as per Superbia FF defends EC FF questions BTDT, defends Jealous FF softreads Moosy, Skynx, Jealous, BTDT scum In the chronological order of reads above, he flips his stance on QT around the time when it is clear that QT is going to be lynched, he switches his vote to kush after Superbia does, possibly giving him a convenient out? He then doesn't even read him as scum verbally. He also seems to be overly defensive/supportive of EC. 2. I need to do further analysis on EC to see if there is a connection there. I don't think Superbia is implicated here, although he could be. 3. I am going to stick to my stance on TT and Skynx as I haven't seen any suspicious behavior from them and do enjoy their analysis. I am also leaning town on Tumblewood. 4. BC and Scott really haven't contributed much of anything. 5. MoosyDoosy's gameplay is completely nonsensical. Can you provide quotes on where you think I did this drastic switch btw? I looked at my filter and I can't really figure out what posts you attribute to all of these "actions" I made? Why does what I did make me scum, even? Changing reads is something I do on the fly because I prefer to look at the game as it is happening most of the time until later in the game. Also because I have the memory of a goldfish. | ||
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June 06 2016 15:55 GMT
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June 06 2016 22:47 GMT
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June 06 2016 23:09 GMT
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June 07 2016 00:04 GMT
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On June 07 2016 00:53 Fecalfeast wrote: Show nested quote + On June 06 2016 15:07 Jealous wrote: My analysis of the data is the following and is reflected above in the chart. 1. I find FecalFeast the most suspicious now in my eyes. My reasoning is this: FF reads EC town FF reads EC town FF support Jealous read QT scum FF defends QT, questions Jealous FF switches vote to kush, as per Superbia FF defends EC FF questions BTDT, defends Jealous FF softreads Moosy, Skynx, Jealous, BTDT scum In the chronological order of reads above, he flips his stance on QT around the time when it is clear that QT is going to be lynched, he switches his vote to kush after Superbia does, possibly giving him a convenient out? He then doesn't even read him as scum verbally. He also seems to be overly defensive/supportive of EC. 2. I need to do further analysis on EC to see if there is a connection there. I don't think Superbia is implicated here, although he could be. 3. I am going to stick to my stance on TT and Skynx as I haven't seen any suspicious behavior from them and do enjoy their analysis. I am also leaning town on Tumblewood. 4. BC and Scott really haven't contributed much of anything. 5. MoosyDoosy's gameplay is completely nonsensical. Can you provide quotes on where you think I did this drastic switch btw? I looked at my filter and I can't really figure out what posts you attribute to all of these "actions" I made? Why does what I did make me scum, even? Changing reads is something I do on the fly because I prefer to look at the game as it is happening most of the time until later in the game. Also because I have the memory of a goldfish. Just to remind jealous to respondto this | ||
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June 07 2016 01:41 GMT
#1119
Clues: The role PMs and night posts are purely flavor text. There are no clues. from the op | ||
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June 07 2016 01:49 GMT
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June 07 2016 03:56 GMT
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June 07 2016 05:17 GMT
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On June 07 2016 14:15 Superbia wrote: Anyway pressure on skynx is prob okay for now why should i listen to you you're not my dad | ||
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June 07 2016 05:41 GMT
#1132
On June 07 2016 14:22 Superbia wrote: Show nested quote + On June 07 2016 14:17 Fecalfeast wrote: On June 07 2016 14:15 Superbia wrote: Anyway pressure on skynx is prob okay for now why should i listen to you you're not my dad Guy said he was afk for strategic reasons and has been defensive Well yeah I would lynch him too but not cuz you said it | ||
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June 07 2016 15:18 GMT
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On June 08 2016 00:16 MoosyDoosy wrote: He reads QuickTwist as town, throws shade on Jealous, and then comes back to thread to vote QuickTwist. I see what you mean. I like you moose | ||
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June 07 2016 18:01 GMT
#1229
On June 08 2016 02:16 Superbia wrote: Scott had some weird PM shit that was townie but needs to start doing stuff. The PM shit was not towny please stop saying that posting before you get a role pm is towny | ||
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June 07 2016 18:12 GMT
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On June 08 2016 03:10 emperorchampion wrote: Scott, tick and fecal posting in a row is some sp00ky shit haha We came up with it in the scum QT to freak you out | ||
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June 07 2016 18:18 GMT
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On June 08 2016 02:25 Superbia wrote: neo FF is also harder to read What is neo about me? | ||
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June 07 2016 22:40 GMT
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June 08 2016 01:41 GMT
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June 08 2016 01:52 GMT
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On June 04 2016 19:09 beentheredonethat wrote: Also, following up on Tumblewood's post about QT and Jealous: if I simply follow the reads that I did so far without looking at Jealous' filter (which I haven't done yet), my logical conclusion should be that Jealous is scum. Here is my thought process about that: 1. I townread Tumblewood. 2. Tumblewood thinks that between QT and Jealous, one is scum. 3. I townread QT. That makes Jealous scum (only if Tumblewood's thought is correct which, of course, is not granted). I am going to look at Jealous more detailed. So this post is after his larger post where he says Also, I like QuickTwist, also for the great activity. The fact that he votes Tumblewood because he gives him a townread ("I shouldn't be getting this much town cred already should I?") makes me think he's town. It almost feels like he's saying he townreads QT just because he townread him earlier. The reasoning for qts townread can just as easily be applied to jealous except jealous didn't vote someone for townreading him. Since you asked for context jellybean | ||
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June 08 2016 14:56 GMT
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June 08 2016 17:30 GMT
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June 08 2016 19:30 GMT
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June 08 2016 19:42 GMT
#1360
On June 09 2016 04:38 Skynx wrote: I'm not too happy switching to Scott he's super afk yeah but I really think we need to kill a big target today. Scott can be left for later on. Define "big target" please | ||
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June 08 2016 19:48 GMT
#1366
Moose who do we kill, then? | ||
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June 08 2016 19:48 GMT
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June 08 2016 20:00 GMT
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also: On June 08 2016 00:26 emperorchampion wrote: Also I don't think I ever hard read QT as maf, just hypothosised that it was odd QT and Tumble were defending each other. This was the information I was interested in. I dunno you are trying to twist my words I feel This made me check and it seems he was really hedging his bets and skirting around making any hard calls at all about QT. On June 05 2016 01:41 emperorchampion wrote: I took a look through Tumblewood's filter, since he seems like the only one posting anything of note aside from QT-pie and Jealsus (which is a cesspool I don't want to wade through). + Show Spoiler + On June 04 2016 09:39 Tumblewood wrote: Show nested quote + On June 04 2016 09:33 Jealous wrote: On June 04 2016 09:31 QuickTwist wrote: On June 04 2016 09:29 Jealous wrote: On June 04 2016 09:22 QuickTwist wrote: On June 04 2016 09:14 blkcoffee wrote: On June 04 2016 08:59 Jealous wrote: On June 04 2016 08:53 blkcoffee wrote: On June 04 2016 08:49 Jealous wrote: On June 04 2016 08:46 Tumblewood wrote: tryhard newbie + Show Spoiler [*cough cough*] + jealous With no clues to work off of and only the content of a few early posters to analyze, I don't think my behavior is suspicious in the slightest and you're trying to cast shade on someone you may know is townie. I played my last two TL Mafia games in 2008, in which I was townie and then mafia, in both of which I tried pretty hard by my reckoning. Here are the summaries for full disclosure since they were on a different account: Townie: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/67925-tl-mafia-2-gg?user=fanatacist Mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/80975-tl-mafia-3-night-5?user=fanatacist If it's alright with you I'm not going to read any of those games. I'm curious what you think of quick town reading you so early and his subsequent town reads. For quicktwist. Can you explain how you came to a serious vote on super. What changed? That's fine, they are there for anyone who is curious, and were presented solely as some substantive evidence against Tumblewood's flimsy read. What I think of Quick town-reading me so early is that he is that he is potentially trying to make allies among people he would know are confirmed townie, because he is mafia. Or, in retrospect, as my first post in response to him and Superbia was more or less stating that I found their behavior suspicious, he aims to pass that suspicion onto me by making it seem like I am in cohorts with them, or something. The fact that he is a newcomer to TL Mafia may have something to do with the fact that he is playing, in my opinion, fast and dangerous. This seems rather too in-depth this early on. I think if quicktwist gave an explanation For the town read we could analyse it and see how it holds up. Another dodgy response here. Leaning scum intensifies. you're going to have to explain how that makes me scum without saying the word "vibes". Instead of substantiating your claims you post image macros that effectively close the topic for further analysis and discussion, something that would be key for scum to do in order to protect themselves from further inspection. the folly in this is that no one "protects themselves from further inspection" by posting images instead of responses, nor is that "key for scum to do". qt should not be afraid of the pressure you are putting on him because it is weak pressure (in the sense that it is convincing no one else) and it does not help him avoid inspection. Here it looks like tumble is putting pressure on Jealous. This is based off of defense for QT, since he gave strong townread to QT earlier here: On June 04 2016 09:20 Tumblewood wrote: shitty early d1 reads that I shouldn't be making town: superbia, qt town lean: emperor null: moosy scum lean: jealous scum: [pending further posts] To which is commented: On June 04 2016 09:21 Tumblewood wrote: if asked to defend any of my reads right now I will only respond by saying "feels" So now that we've framed the context of the first post, I think that there are two ways of interpreting it: 1) He is protecting QT-pie 2) He's calling a bad play a bad play From the previous context, I would think former, but reading the following posts I think the ladder: On June 04 2016 10:47 Tumblewood wrote: Show nested quote + On June 04 2016 10:29 QuickTwist wrote: On June 04 2016 09:02 blkcoffee wrote: On June 04 2016 08:59 QuickTwist wrote: On June 04 2016 08:53 blkcoffee wrote: On June 04 2016 08:49 Jealous wrote: On June 04 2016 08:46 Tumblewood wrote: tryhard newbie + Show Spoiler [*cough cough*] + jealous With no clues to work off of and only the content of a few early posters to analyze, I don't think my behavior is suspicious in the slightest and you're trying to cast shade on someone you may know is townie. I played my last two TL Mafia games in 2008, in which I was townie and then mafia, in both of which I tried pretty hard by my reckoning. Here are the summaries for full disclosure since they were on a different account: Townie: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/67925-tl-mafia-2-gg?user=fanatacist Mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/80975-tl-mafia-3-night-5?user=fanatacist If it's alright with you I'm not going to read any of those games. I'm curious what you think of quick town reading you so early and his subsequent town reads. For quicktwist. Can you explain how you came to a serious vote on super. What changed? I explained this partially but I will explain to those who may not understand the intricacies of this. Sup is trying to look like he is town. So either he is playing some really fantastic head games with people and he wants people to vote him to see who picks up on his scummy behavior and votes Obvscum OR he is just really bad Scum who is trying to look like they are scum hunting in the most obvious straightforward way possible. I don't think he is so dumb that he could legit be Town trying to scum hunt, but at this point I can't rule that out I guess. Do you think that town should try to look townie and eliminate themselves from the lynch pool. No. what but why it's in town's best interest to look townie (except to dodge nightkills) so town doesn't waste a lynch on them On June 04 2016 11:31 Tumblewood wrote: Show nested quote + On June 04 2016 11:24 QuickTwist wrote: OK, so here's why I think Jealous is Town. He's smart. He knows being overly confident in his reads helps town. He has been pushing scummy behavior namely, me. He is paying really close attention to the game and what people say and jumping on anything the looks like it could get traction. He's pushing his agenda and trying to be very correct. For that reason I think he would make a really bad lynch today. his scumreads are founded in a mountain of evidence, but that evidence does not make anyone scum. I don't see how you can refute his reads as misled but then call them good and townie all of a sudden. townread suspended On June 04 2016 16:18 Tumblewood wrote: ok yeah as I see it one of QT and Jealous has to be scum. they're both acting independently scummy (eager to read anything as scummy, tryhard tone, making mountains of molehills). I don't believe that they could both be town, although if they were I will mock D1 relentlessly in postgame. I also believe that they could not keep up this stupid bickering for so long as partners. I'm leaning toward QT at this point for refuting everything Jealous says and then townreading him for it (pretty shallow townread IMO, there's more to the game than just how much you write that's semi-productive). Jealous maybe, but I think my dislike of his tone biases my judgment. 6/10 would lynch QT D1 and if he flips town lynch Jealous D2 or we could plynch sqrt and let their alignments become more apparent over time. In my mind, it seems that there is some sort of triangle between QT-pie, tumble and Jealsus. At first I was thinking that QT/tumble could be a pair, but "6/10" lynch is pretty strong against that, although maybe tumble doesn't think the QT vote will go through so he doesn't have to push it? Jealsus/QT-pie: there are 3 options: 1) both town, 2) town and maf 3) both maf. I think that 3) is pretty unlikely, seems like such a ballsy play to carry out those shenanigans. I think that 2) is more likely than 1). Jealsus/tumble: I think it's fairly well summarized from the post above: "ok yeah as I see it one of QT and Jealous has to be scum. they're both acting independently scummy (eager to read anything as scummy, tryhard tone, making mountains of molehills". Also: "Jealous maybe, but I think my dislike of his tone biases my judgment" So from this, I find that Jealous is a common thread in all of this, so I would be interested in hearing why he isn't maf, or what he is trying to accomplish aside from generating pages of noise against QT-pie. My towny read on QT still stands, and I think that tumble has shown some decent thought, so I think that I'm leaning town on him as well. Therefore, my maf read sits with Jealous since I want to see how these 3 players unravel. has QT in a possible scum pair On June 05 2016 00:37 emperorchampion wrote: Show nested quote + On June 04 2016 23:38 MoosyDoosy wrote: On June 04 2016 12:01 Tumblewood wrote: going to take a break until I inevitably get bored and come back playing this game is just not fun for me right now because the only two active players are on (what I see as) the wrong track and set in it. feels like I'm talking to a brick wall. Talk to me buddy. Does Quicktwist and Jealous feel like two townies caught in an argument against each other and refusing to back down due to pride or is one of them Mafia? For some reason I keep getting hints of the second even though it really looks like the first. QT v Jealous has obviously dominated the first few pages so far. I've been thinking similarly, but that there is a third option as well --- I'm not sure how likely that is though. On June 06 2016 03:03 emperorchampion wrote: I think that Skynx could be scum, not really sure on the rest since I haven't looked too much into it due to not having too much time atm. Superbia / Tictock seem town. Fecalfeast / scott not really sure. Seems like a mafia move to push an afk tho, so I don't know what it accomplishes. I think my vote has to go into tumble / QT / Jealous to figure this out. keeps QT in his lynch circle even though he was leaning more toward jealous as scum out of QT/jealous On June 06 2016 02:53 emperorchampion wrote: OK so I think I'm caught up. Am I crazy for thinking that Tumble / QT are a mafia pair given the last two pages? QT/tumble mafia pair mentioned On June 06 2016 05:34 emperorchampion wrote: I don't think too much has been said in the last few pages to sway my opinion on voting QT. What I'm thinking is that if QT is town, tumble is probably town and jealous is maf. And if QT if maf, tumble is probably maf, jealous is town. kush is a bit of a toss up, his filter is pretty empty but maybe he has an excuse? The plynch seems a little off to me. This, among other posts also suggests that emperor should have been pushing jealous a lot more today rather than just being complacent with the thread direction. so my questions for emperor: What do you read Jealous as? Who do you want to kill and why? Why was it so hard for you to make a solid read on QT while talking about him so often? | ||
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June 08 2016 21:08 GMT
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On June 09 2016 05:16 Tictock wrote: 6) FecalFeast - What do you cling to? What right now is most disturbing or upsetting to you? Is it important to keep our first impressions or should we always be letting the waves of information influence us? generally or with relation to this game? These are vague questions | ||
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June 08 2016 23:19 GMT
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June 09 2016 18:40 GMT
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Claim wars is when mafia decides to risk counterclaiming with hopes of getting the blue role(s) lynched first. In the situation we are in it is fairly likely mafia will try to counter in this way as a failed counterclaim(mafia claimer is lynched) mafia still has two members. That being said I think mafia has been sitting pretty all game and we need to start looking into people who seem towny. | ||
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June 09 2016 20:39 GMT
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June 09 2016 23:56 GMT
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