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On June 08 2016 01:58 Superbia wrote:
Aren't you annoyed that I called your huge post useless?
Not really, you've shown bias against me from the jump and having spent 12 years trolling forums in my free time I've learned not to take things personally from keyboard warriors and other trolls. You think it's useless? That's too bad, good thing I put spoilers so you can just gloss over it if you ever read my filter. Hopefully someone else found it useful. I thought it was a useful experience for me, at the least.
Also, I love making tables.
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On June 08 2016 02:07 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 02:05 Jealous wrote:On June 08 2016 01:50 Superbia wrote:
If you're town then very likely at least 1 mafia just piled onto your case on quicky. Who do you think that person is? It's possible but I wouldn't say it's very likely. QT was in the lead for bans after Tictock voted for him and never left that position. At the time, the only person who was in contention with him was Scott. Even if three people switched their vote last second for kush, for example, QT would still be lynched even if the original 3 people who voted for QT. Everyone who piled on afterwards - is it really ensuring the lynch? How much insurance did they really think they needed? While statistically speaking is certainly possible that a mafia is on that list, it's hard for me to say who it may be. I think we can remove Scott from suspicion (here, at least) because he was voting to keep himself in the game should people switch their votes onto him. It would be more interesting if Skynx and Tictock saw my vehemence and used that as a springboard to start the bandwagon. Seeing as people seem inclined to vote Skynx, this is why I would rather see the flop after Day 2 before making any concrete arguments. Scum tend to spread out their votes naturally. It is somewhat likely, it doesn't have to be. However, it's still a decent metric to have for analyzing the game.
I can see the logic behind that.
Looking back on the vote thread, MoosyDoosy voted QT and unvoted @ 19:13/19:17 respectively (June 3rd) but I think we can attribute that to his trolly nature.
I vote 22:15 CDT.
Skynx votes 07:15 CDT, June 4th.
Tictock is the immediate next vote at 12:33 CDT, putting QT at first.
EC votes 14:11 CDT, June 5th.
Scott votes 16:05 CDT.
EC revotes to make sure formatting is correct 16:37 CDT.
MoosyDoosy revotes 17:34 CDT.
Tictock switches vote to BTDT at 18:56 CDT.
How much can we read into QT's last post stating that Tictock was both the person who pushed QT into the forefront and then abandoned ship?
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On June 08 2016 07:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
i would kill BTDT still, yeah. That post where he game QT a pass for being active but then scumread jealous without mentioning his activity is still in my mind
But how would that make sense for a scum strategy?
The only plot that would make sense to me is that he knew QT would be lynched (should verify timestamp on this post vs. vote count at the time?), which is good for scum, so he wanted to bring me down once QT flipped town because I'd be seen as the major instigator of the movement, which is good for scum because I am town.
This actually makes sense, now that I think about it. However, it depends on the timestamp. I can't check it right now and I'll be home in a few hours but if someone can do that now it would give more credit to FF's theory, imo.
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On June 08 2016 08:11 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 08:01 Jealous wrote:On June 08 2016 07:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
i would kill BTDT still, yeah. That post where he game QT a pass for being active but then scumread jealous without mentioning his activity is still in my mind But how would that make sense for a scum strategy? The only plot that would make sense to me is that he knew QT would be lynched (should verify timestamp on this post vs. vote count at the time?), which is good for scum, so he wanted to bring me down once QT flipped town because I'd be seen as the major instigator of the movement, which is good for scum because I am town. This actually makes sense, now that I think about it. However, it depends on the timestamp. I can't check it right now and I'll be home in a few hours but if someone can do that now it would give more credit to FF's theory, imo. You are thinking about this wrong. Scum dont enact some plot. They just try to come up with stuff to say that looks as townie as possible. Most of the time they try to not lynch their scumteam. Often scum will townread someone who is up for lynch, because they know that person is town, and their objective to look as townie as possible is compelling them to point that out.
That's kind of my point in him townreading QT when they know he is town, but wouldn't it make sense for him to throw doubts on my participation in QT's lynching to get me lynched as a reactive measure in Day 2 even though I am town? I don't see why scum wouldn't enact that plot, or at least have one of them do so. At the time of my compiling the data on page 55 if I recall correctly, I was one of the most scumread players in the game. Even though Skynx seems to be up for lynching based on the posts of Night/Day 2, I can't help but feel that I was also cast in a bad light and this would be advantageous to scum.
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On June 08 2016 11:04 emperorchampion wrote:Meh nothing interesting since I left. Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 08:27 Jealous wrote:On June 08 2016 08:11 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:On June 08 2016 08:01 Jealous wrote:On June 08 2016 07:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
i would kill BTDT still, yeah. That post where he game QT a pass for being active but then scumread jealous without mentioning his activity is still in my mind But how would that make sense for a scum strategy? The only plot that would make sense to me is that he knew QT would be lynched (should verify timestamp on this post vs. vote count at the time?), which is good for scum, so he wanted to bring me down once QT flipped town because I'd be seen as the major instigator of the movement, which is good for scum because I am town. This actually makes sense, now that I think about it. However, it depends on the timestamp. I can't check it right now and I'll be home in a few hours but if someone can do that now it would give more credit to FF's theory, imo. You are thinking about this wrong. Scum dont enact some plot. They just try to come up with stuff to say that looks as townie as possible. Most of the time they try to not lynch their scumteam. Often scum will townread someone who is up for lynch, because they know that person is town, and their objective to look as townie as possible is compelling them to point that out. That's kind of my point in him townreading QT when they know he is town, but wouldn't it make sense for him to throw doubts on my participation in QT's lynching to get me lynched as a reactive measure in Day 2 even though I am town? I don't see why scum wouldn't enact that plot, or at least have one of them do so. At the time of my compiling the data on page 55 if I recall correctly, I was one of the most scumread players in the game. Even though Skynx seems to be up for lynching based on the posts of Night/Day 2, I can't help but feel that I was also cast in a bad light and this would be advantageous to scum. Can you clarify what you mean here, I'm just not sure what part is advantageous to scum? Also how does that relate to Skynx?
The advantage to town would be that the town lynches 2 townies (QT and myself). This has nothing to do with Skynx.
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On June 08 2016 11:36 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 11:04 emperorchampion wrote:Meh nothing interesting since I left. On June 08 2016 08:27 Jealous wrote:On June 08 2016 08:11 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:On June 08 2016 08:01 Jealous wrote:On June 08 2016 07:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
i would kill BTDT still, yeah. That post where he game QT a pass for being active but then scumread jealous without mentioning his activity is still in my mind But how would that make sense for a scum strategy? The only plot that would make sense to me is that he knew QT would be lynched (should verify timestamp on this post vs. vote count at the time?), which is good for scum, so he wanted to bring me down once QT flipped town because I'd be seen as the major instigator of the movement, which is good for scum because I am town. This actually makes sense, now that I think about it. However, it depends on the timestamp. I can't check it right now and I'll be home in a few hours but if someone can do that now it would give more credit to FF's theory, imo. You are thinking about this wrong. Scum dont enact some plot. They just try to come up with stuff to say that looks as townie as possible. Most of the time they try to not lynch their scumteam. Often scum will townread someone who is up for lynch, because they know that person is town, and their objective to look as townie as possible is compelling them to point that out. That's kind of my point in him townreading QT when they know he is town, but wouldn't it make sense for him to throw doubts on my participation in QT's lynching to get me lynched as a reactive measure in Day 2 even though I am town? I don't see why scum wouldn't enact that plot, or at least have one of them do so. At the time of my compiling the data on page 55 if I recall correctly, I was one of the most scumread players in the game. Even though Skynx seems to be up for lynching based on the posts of Night/Day 2, I can't help but feel that I was also cast in a bad light and this would be advantageous to scum. Can you clarify what you mean here, I'm just not sure what part is advantageous to scum? Also how does that relate to Skynx? The advantage to town would be that the town lynches 2 townies (QT and myself). This has nothing to do with Skynx.
Advantage to scum** EDWOP
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On June 08 2016 15:42 Tictock wrote:
Jealous who do you think we should lynch today?
also...
I feel like 3/4 of the game has barely posted or even voted. This needs to change.
After missing the mark fairly badly D1 we need to pick this game up.
I'm still not sure. I was going to see how the other votes and reads pan out as we approach the deadline, because apparently a lot of stuff happens then. This game has been confusing in general - Skynx has had the strongest scumread bandwagon, whereas kush has had the strongest lynch vote bandwagon, simply wtf?
I like how you said "who do you think we should lynch today" as if I actually am town leader. I probably have less of a clue about what is going on than any of you. Based on what my vague retrospect ("gut") without going in-depth on any filters today, I would say that EC, BTDT, kush are all viable options, in decreasing order, with Scott being a potential mystery factor because so far none of his posts have struck me as very scummy but he also hasn't posted much so I can't say for certain.
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On June 08 2016 16:11 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 16:01 Jealous wrote:On June 08 2016 15:42 Tictock wrote:
Jealous who do you think we should lynch today?
also...
I feel like 3/4 of the game has barely posted or even voted. This needs to change.
After missing the mark fairly badly D1 we need to pick this game up. I'm still not sure. I was going to see how the other votes and reads pan out as we approach the deadline, because apparently a lot of stuff happens then. This game has been confusing in general - Skynx has had the strongest scumread bandwagon, whereas kush has had the strongest lynch vote bandwagon, simply wtf? I like how you said "who do you think we should lynch today" as if I actually am town leader. I probably have less of a clue about what is going on than any of you. Based on what my vague retrospect ("gut") without going in-depth on any filters today, I would say that EC, BTDT, kush are all viable options, in decreasing order, with Scott being a potential mystery factor because so far none of his posts have struck me as very scummy but he also hasn't posted much so I can't say for certain. This has nothing to do with being a leader or not, it's a valid question regardless. Still without looking at filters... Why EC first? Or why is he most scummy?
I realized I may have misinterpreted the phrasing but it was already too late as I had already posted.
I'm not ready to answer this question.
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On June 09 2016 01:35 Skynx wrote:
Anyway kush please show some defence man i feel like no one is even trying this game...
Don't know whether to read the lack of defense as scummy or townie ;-;
I'm gonna lean with scummy.
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On June 09 2016 05:16 Tictock wrote:
6) Jealous - How is the return to TL Mafia going? You suggested that you enjoy having a role with some power, have you ever played in a game where everyone has some role/ability? If not, does it sound appealing?
It's incredibly different and incredibly difficult. The game is nothing like it was 2008, or at least like those first few were. As a result, neither are the conversations nor the reads. I would have to say I'm struggling pretty damn hard. In the past you could easily justify your case against someone and have solid ground to push on, and thus votes and flips were more pivotal. Also, PMs were allowed, if I recall correctly. If there was someone you were certain was town or a blue PR, you could test them via PM. You could also PM people you trusted if you had a PR. For example, if a detective finds out someone is town or medic, they can coordinate privately, thus using their roles more effectively. In short, this is a completely different monster. I hope that the game gets easier as we get more votes/flips, but as of right now I'm pretty lost.
In my past two games I was bodyguard and mafia respectively, so I was going off experience here. I feel that it gives added depth to the game because you can make decisions that affect the game behind the curtains and without people knowing who made those actions. However, as I mentioned in the post you are referring to, I was scared to jump into a PR and potentially fuck up really badly. I screwed up pretty hard as mafia in my second game if memory serves correct (might not be as obvious in the filter but I remember Ace or MTF or whoever was mafia yelling at me). That stuck in my mind. My bad read on QT is further evidence of that, as well as 2 or 3 slip-ups on simple things like what VT stands for and briefly pursuing something from the host's Night post. I'm content with my role.
I don't think I've ever played in a game like that. Would I want to? I think it would definitely be interesting, but also a lot more convoluted and high-stakes. It would depend on what the rules and roles are.
By the way, I enjoyed your questions posted, I thought that some of them were very poignant.
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On June 09 2016 05:47 Tictock wrote:
Wow 2 people answered my questions already.
Thanks guys!
Having caught up... I think the lack of defense and more importantly the lack of anything from Kush means I'm ok with him being the lynch. I know he posted that he was gunna be low effort in pre-game, but this is like no-effort.
I'm kinda feeling like Emp and Skynx are bad lynches today kus they are actually contributing at a fairly consistant level. Still unsure about Skynx though with this recent "lets kill big targets and not scott!" "Big targets are people like scott, BtDt..."
I'm liking Jealous less, partially just for contributing a lot less today. Mostly because he made a big deal about our Shennanies D1 and today has basically refused to discuss reads. The 180 there doesn't track very well for me because he's going against what was apparently his idea of how the game should be played.
I had company over yesterday and in general the weekdays are much busier for me than the weekends, where I work from home on the computer on my own time. However, it's true that I haven't discussed my reads (of which I only briefly mentioned 3) because frankly I'm not certain at all on them. I was asked the question, so I had to oblige, but the follow-up question I didn't have a good response for prepared. As I said then, they were "gut" reads based on my "feel" for their posting habits and style.
I'll discuss my stance on people briefly right now:
1) Emperorchampion - Yesterday I was remembering some posts that rubbed me the wrong way, but his posting since then has done a little to alleviate that. In general I found his posting to be on the light side but still more than most others in terms of content and conclusions. I think there were inconsistencies I didn't like and some conclusions that I didn't agree with, hence my lean earlier.
2) Skynx - I like the way he posts and deducts, would not want to vote against him. Of course, he could just be scum that is posting well, but I can't know which it is so I'm okay with him for now simply based on quality of content.
3) QuickTwist Lynched Day 1, Senator
4)Scott31337 - Generally AFK, the few posts he has made have been fairly plain and non-indicative but is still one of the least active players and I don't like that.
5) blkcoffee - Replacement of modkill pending, on top of that he has submitted no reads at all (as per my chart) and has generally been very low-impact. Can't read him but can't support keeping him either.
6) Jealous - I'm town.
1) beentheredonethat - I've seen people raising questions about his scumminess and worth to the game; so far I haven't seen much to contradict what others have said but have not personally paid much attention to him either way, or at least he hasn't stuck out much.
2) Tumblewood Killed Night 1, Roman Senator
3) MooooooosyDooooosy - Day 1 I did not like his posting and misdirection via trolling one bit. However, his post quality has improved. It's hard to get a read on him but I like how he's been posting recently. Maybe it's just because I'm not familiar with TL Mafia and people's mannerisms.
4) nnn_thekushmountians - To be completely fair, I've had a bad feeling about his posts since even the pre-game so I might be biased in thinking that he may be scum. However, others have pointed irregularities in his posting habits. Does he not work on Tuesdays and Wednesdays either? There have been a few posts where he seemed to be trolling kinda like Moosy, which I don't like.
5) Superbia - Generally seems like a positive force in the game so far, is very active, asks good questions and thus generates content. I'm okay with keeping him around.
6) FecalFeast - I've taken back what I was thinking earlier because I have a new approach to the game thanks to my data, and thus I see him as null for now.
7)Tiktock - I'm sticking to my read that you are town for now, mostly because I feel your posts have content, thought, and provoke others to generate content as well, which is good.
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On June 09 2016 05:54 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 05:47 Tictock wrote:
Wow 2 people answered my questions already.
Thanks guys!
Having caught up... I think the lack of defense and more importantly the lack of anything from Kush means I'm ok with him being the lynch. I know he posted that he was gunna be low effort in pre-game, but this is like no-effort.
I'm kinda feeling like Emp and Skynx are bad lynches today kus they are actually contributing at a fairly consistant level. Still unsure about Skynx though with this recent "lets kill big targets and not scott!" "Big targets are people like scott, BtDt..."
I'm liking Jealous less, partially just for contributing a lot less today. Mostly because he made a big deal about our Shennanies D1 and today has basically refused to discuss reads. The 180 there doesn't track very well for me because he's going against what was apparently his idea of how the game should be played. 3 I think! How did you come up with the questions? Are you a camp counselor  Seems like a good idea for a newbie game! I think Jealous has a huge dump (heh) waiting for us
The foresight is uncanny. I am officially a fan.
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I want to see how these questions pan out but I have to vote before 6 pm (deadline is 7 pm) because I have real life matters to attend do, so it would be great if everyone who is around could answer by 6 so I can cast my vote with recent activity fresh on my mind.
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On June 09 2016 06:08 Jealous wrote:
I want to see how these questions pan out but I have to vote before 6 pm (deadline is 7 pm) because I have real life matters to attend do, so it would be great if everyone who is around could answer by 6 so I can cast my vote with recent activity fresh on my mind.
EBWOP Scratch that, arrangements are no longer an actuality. However, it would still be nice if I could see every response by EoD.
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An addendum to my response @Tictock:
On June 08 2016 01:56 Jealous wrote:
I took a very active role on Day 1, somewhat so on Night 1, and made a few mistakes, so I think it's time for me to say less and read more.
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I also want to add that the two people as of the end of Day 1 who were the most townread besides TW are Superbia and BTDT. It may be too early to start worrying about night right now, but if neither of them gets killed, wouldn't that be an interesting piece of evidence?
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On June 09 2016 06:45 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 06:32 Jealous wrote:
I also want to add that the two people as of the end of Day 1 who were the most townread besides TW are Superbia and BTDT. It may be too early to start worrying about night right now, but if neither of them gets killed, wouldn't that be an interesting piece of evidence? Using night kill logic or "why are you alive" thinking is pretty haphazard at best. Especially bad when it's still fairly early in the game and information is still really sparse. "Why are you alive" type thinking really shouldn't happen till LyLo is looming, and even then it's not great in all circumstances.
True, and any value that may have had is now lost because I mentioned it outright anyway ;-; this is why I should read more, think more, speak less.
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On June 09 2016 07:10 Tictock wrote:
Jealous, why Emp over Kush?
Why kush over EC?
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On June 09 2016 07:16 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 06:56 Tictock wrote:
Emp what do you make of the wagon that has formed on you? to answer this, feels bad man
What's your role, anyway?
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On June 09 2016 07:29 Tictock wrote:
Yea we should be lynching Kush here guys. I'm not feeling any of these other lynches.
I will have to berate some people if Emp gets lynched and flips town.
It strikes me as interesting that on both days you were the third to vote for the current ban leader. Jumping on the bandwagon?
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