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On June 06 2016 11:53 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
jealous, im officially appointing you townleader since ff doesn't want the job.
This doesn't sound like a good idea because
1. I am a noob
2. a. I don't know how to coordinate covert actions of the blue roles, because we don't know which blues are currently in the game so how can I ask for detective check on someone if there is no detective
b. Furthermore, how would I even get a response to that question if there is no PMing lol. Can't establish a code that is publicly known either.
3. I've had to throw away pretty much all the analysis I've done thus far so...
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On June 06 2016 12:02 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
@JEALOUS why is blkcoffee scum?
He may or may not be, hard to tell from his scant post history and from the fact that he didn't vote at all. I'd lynch him just for not voting to be honest. If he is town and doesn't participate, he is useless to us. If he is scum and doesn't participate, then he'll flip red.
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On June 06 2016 12:07 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2016 12:05 Jealous wrote:On June 06 2016 12:02 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
@JEALOUS why is blkcoffee scum? He may or may not be, hard to tell from his scant post history and from the fact that he didn't vote at all. I'd lynch him just for not voting to be honest. If he is town and doesn't participate, he is useless to us. If he is scum and doesn't participate, then he'll flip red. but being scum would not make him more likely to not vote. in fact, scum is more likely to remember to vote because they don't want to screw over their small scumteam. So you would have us waste our day 2 lynch on someone who has a less than average chance of flipping scum?
He also has a less-than-average chance of flipping blue. It would suck really hard if I advocate for the lynching of yet another green townie and they get lynched, giving scum another free kill, not to mention it'd make me doubly suspect, but right now that's the only thing that sticks out to me. You do have a solid point about the fact that it would screw over the smaller team big time. As I mentioned earlier, this is all pending the further investigation/re-reading I'm doing now and future events. I'm by no means adamant about this choice.
I'm working on something, I'll share it with you all when I finish.
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On June 06 2016 12:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Imagine if kush was mafia trying to help town newbies play. That would be great.
That thought crossed my mind because he could be the town leader instead of nominating me.
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God damn my OCD is kicking in really hard over this megadata dump that's coming.
I'm also realizing how many of you guys play/joke around so much that it's hard to tell what you really believe.
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On June 06 2016 13:11 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2016 13:07 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:On June 06 2016 13:01 Tumblewood wrote:On June 06 2016 12:50 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Shitlist
Ec
Tt
Tw
Ff wow that is shit all of those people are town Dude ibbet tt or ec is scum tho gonna have to convince me because I'm not really seeing it either way we're lynching skynx tomorrow (or maybe you or scott... definitely neither of emperor or tt though)
Would be nice to get explanations from either of you.
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So I was working through the game trying to recenter my stance on people now that my focus has moved off QuickTime and I was wrong about my read, so I went super try-hard OCD mode and made this:
MEGADATA DUMP+ Show Spoiler [Chronological order of reads and actions] +QuickTwist claims PR
sqrtofneg1 does not claim scum
Superbia claims PR
QuickTwist reads Superbia town
Superbia says @QT: "Good job calling me town. I like that. I may be inclined to call you town too at some later stage."
QuickTwist does not claim scum
Superbia does not claim scum
QuickTwist reads Jealous town
Moosy claims scum
Moosy claims @QT "veteran or mafia or mafia or mafia"
QuickTwist reads Tumblewood town
MoosyDoosy votes QuickTwist
MoosyDoosy unvotes QT, votes MoosyDoosy
Superbia claims town
Superbia reads emperorchampion town
Jealous reads Superbia and QT as scum
Skynx reads Jealous town, Superbia scum
Tumblewood reads Jealous scum
QuickTwist votes Superbia
Superbia questions QuickTwist's read frequency
Tumblewood defends QuickTwist's read frequency
blkcoffee questions QuickTwist's townread on Jealous, and vote on Superbia
Superbia calls Tumble for not playing his town meta
Superbia says "Nah. Maybe." @"soft scumread" on Tumble
QuickTwist reads Jealous town
Emperorchampion reads QuickTwist town
Tumblewood "shitty early d1 reads:
town: superbia, qt
town lean: emperor
null: moosy
scum lean: jealous
scum: [pending further posts]"
kushmountain reads scum: sqrtneg1, beentheredonethat, FecalFeast, Tictock
kushmountain votes sqrtofneg1
Tictock casts a fake vote for kushmountain
Tumblewood defends QuickTwist
Tumblewood defends QuickTwist
QuickTwist reads Tumblewood town
QuickTwist claims not Vet
QuickTwist votes Tumblewood, but actually voted sqrtneg1
QuickTwist reads Jealous town
Tumblewood suspends townread on QuickTwist
QuickTwist reads Jealous town
Tictock reads Moosy scum
QuickTwist reads Tictock scum
Tumbleweed "one of QT and Jealous surely has to be mafia"
Tictock reads Tumblewood town
Tictock says to ignore his previous scum reads lol
QuickTwist reads Tictock null
Tictock reads Jealous town
BTDT reads Superbia, QuickTwist, Tumblewood town
BTDT reads MoosyDoosy scum
BTDT votes MoosyDoosy
BTDT reads Jealous scum based off Tumblewood
Skynx votes QuickTwist
Moosy defends QuickTwist
Tictock reads Superbia, Tumblewood, Moosy, blkcoffee town
Tumblewood reads BTDT town
Tumblewood reads QuickTwist, Jealous town
Tictock reads QuickTwist, emperorchampion scum
Tictock votes QuickTwist
Tictock reads Jealous scum
Tumblewood reads emperorchampion town
sqrtneg1 leaves game
Jealous leans Tictock town
Jealous reads QuickTwist scum (voted for him earlier in the day)
Tumblewood defends QuickTwist
MoosyDoosy reads BTDT town
MoosyDoosy softreads QuickTwist scum
Tumblewood reads Moosy town
Skynx defends sqrtneg1, points at FecalFeast
Moosy defends FF
Scott enters the game
Emperorchampion defends QT, points at Moosy
FF reads Superbia, Jealous, QuickTwist town
FF reads Skynx scum
FF reads EC town
Scott reads Jealous, EC town
FF reads EC town
kush reads sqrtneg1 scum
kush wants to stfulynch QT
Superbia "tempted to call kush mafia"
Superbia reads Tumble, TT, Moosy town
Superbia reads FF town
Superbia reads BTDT scum or BR
Superbia reads EC, BC town
Superbia reads QT scum
Skynx reads Tumble, EC town
QT reads Skynx, TT scum
QT reads EC, BC, BTDT, Tumble town
Tumble questions QT's reads: Skynx, TT, FF
Tumble "Having trouble justifying not voting QT, but not feeling good about voting him, either."
QT claims PR
Skynx reads QT, Superbia scum
TT points at FF for plynch
EC softreads Tumble, QT scum
EC reads Skynx, Tumble, QT, Jealous as scum
EC reads Superbia, TT town
EC votes QT
TT reads QT, Skynx scum
Superbia softreads blkcoffee scum
Jealous softreads kush, Tumble, Superbia, FF scum
Jealous reads QT scum
QT votes Jealous
Jealous softreads TT, Skynx town
Superbia votes kush
FF support Jealous read QT scum
Superbia softreads Scott town
TT wants to lynch Skynx
Jealous suspicion of Superbia declines
FF defends QT, questions Jealous
FF switches vote to kush, as per Superbia
Scott claims town
TT reads QT scum
EC says if QT town, Tumble town, Jealous scum
Moosy votes QT
Moosy reads BTDT town
Moosy softreads Superbia town
Skynx defends Jealous @QT
TT reads QT, kush, Skynx, EC scum
FF defends EC
Moosy claims scum, vet
Moosy reads Scott town
TT corrects EC for BTDT
FF questions BTDT, defends Jealous
kush defends QT
TT votes BTDT
Skynx points BC
TT defends BC
Tumble reads TT, BTDT, Jealous, EC, Superbia, FF town
Tumble reads Kush, Scott, Skynx scum
FF softreads Moosy, Skynx, Jealous, BTDT scum
kush reads Skynx town
kush reads BTDT town
Jealous wants to plynch BC
kush defends BC
kush reads EC, TT, Tumble, FF scum
Tumble reads EC, TT, FF town
kush removes FF, adds Skynx
Tumble reads Skynx scum
Moosy reads kush, EC, Skynx scum
Moosy reads TW, BTDT, FF, TT, BC town + Show Spoiler [beentheredonethat] +BTDT reads Superbia, QuickTwist, Tumblewood town
BTDT reads MoosyDoosy scum
BTDT votes MoosyDoosy
BTDT reads Jealous scum based off Tumblewood blkcoffee questions QuickTwist's townread on Jealous, and vote on Superbia Emperorchampion reads QuickTwist town
Emperorchampion defends QT, points at Moosy
EC softreads Tumble, QT scum
EC reads Skynx, Tumble, QT, Jealous as scum
EC reads Superbia, TT town
EC votes QT
EC says if QT town, Tumble town, Jealous scum FF reads Superbia, Jealous, QuickTwist town
FF reads Skynx scum
FF reads EC town
FF reads EC town
FF support Jealous read QT scum
FF defends QT, questions Jealous
FF switches vote to kush, as per Superbia
FF defends EC
FF questions BTDT, defends Jealous
FF softreads Moosy, Skynx, Jealous, BTDT scum Jealous reads Superbia and QT as scum
Jealous leans Tictock town
Jealous reads QuickTwist scum (voted for him earlier in the day)
Jealous softreads kush, Tumble,Superbia, FF scum
Jealous reads QT scum
Jealous softreads TT, Skynx town
Jealous suspicion of Superbia declines kushmountain reads scum: sqrtneg1, beentheredonethat, FecalFeast, Tictock
kushmountain votes sqrtofneg1
kush reads sqrtneg1 scum
kush wants to stfulynch QT
kush defends QT
kush reads Skynx town
kush reads BTDT town
kush defends BC
kush reads EC, TT, Tumble, FF scum
kush removes FF, adds Skynx Moosy claims scum
Moosy claims @QT "veteran or mafia or mafia or mafia"
MoosyDoosy votes QuickTwist
MoosyDoosy unvotes QT, votes MoosyDoosy
Moosy defends QuickTwist
MoosyDoosy reads BTDT town
MoosyDoosy softreads QuickTwist scum
Moosy defends FF
Moosy votes QT
Moosy reads BTDT town
Moosy softreads Superbia town
Moosy claims scum, vet
Moosy reads Scott town
Moosy reads kush, EC, Skynx scum
Moosy reads TW, BTDT, FF, TT, BC, Sup town QuickTwist claims PR
QuickTwist reads Superbia town
QuickTwist does not claim scum
QuickTwist reads Jealous town
QuickTwist reads Tumblewood town
QuickTwist votes Superbia
QuickTwist reads Jealous town
QuickTwist reads Tumblewood town
QuickTwist claims not Vet
QuickTwist votes Tumblewood, but actually voted sqrtneg1
QuickTwist reads Jealous town
QuickTwist reads Jealous town
QuickTwist reads Tictock scum
QuickTwist reads Tictock null
QT reads Skynx, TT scum
QT reads EC, BC, BTDT, Tumble town
QT claims PR
QT votes Jealous sqrtofneg1 does not claim scum
sqrtneg1 leaves game
Scott enters the game
Scott reads Jealous, EC town
Scott claims town Skynx reads Jealous town, Superbia scum
Skynx votes QuickTwist
Skynx defends sqrtneg1, points at FecalFeast
Skynx reads Tumble, EC town
Skynx reads QT, Superbia scum
Skynx defends Jealous @QT
Skynx points BC Superbia claims PR
Superbia says @QT: "Good job calling me town. I like that. I may be inclined to call you town too at some later stage."
Superbia does not claim scum
Superbia claims town
Superbia reads emperorchampion town
Superbia questions QuickTwist's read frequency
Superbia calls Tumble for not playing his town meta
Superbia says "Nah. Maybe." @"soft scumread" on Tumble
Superbia "tempted to call kush mafia"
Superbia reads Tumble, TT, Moosy town
Superbia reads FF town
Superbia reads BTDT scum or BR
Superbia reads EC, BC town
Superbia reads QT scum
Superbia softreads blkcoffee scum
Superbia votes kush
Superbia softreads Scott town Tictock casts a fake vote for kushmountain
Tictock reads Moosy scum
Tictock reads Tumblewood town
Tictock says to ignore his previous scum reads lol
Tictock reads Jealous town
Tictock reads Superbia, Tumblewood, Moosy, blkcoffee town
Tictock reads QuickTwist, emperorchampion scum
Tictock votes QuickTwist
Tictock reads Jealous scum
TT points at FF for plynch
TT reads QT, Skynx scum
TT wants to lynch Skynx
TT reads QT scum
TT reads QT scum
TT reads QT, kush, Skynx, EC scum
TT corrects EC for BTDT
TT votes BTDT
TT defends BC Tumblewood reads Jealous scum
Tumblewood defends QuickTwist's read frequency
Tumblewood "shitty early d1 reads:
town: superbia, qt
town lean: emperor
null: moosy
scum lean: jealous
scum: (pending further posts)"
Tumblewood defends QuickTwist
Tumblewood defends QuickTwist
Tumblewood suspends townread on QuickTwist
Tumblewood "one of QT and Jealous surely has to be mafia"
Tumblewood reads BTDT town
Tumblewood reads QuickTwist, Jealous town
Tumblewood reads emperorchampion town
Tumblewood defends QuickTwist
Tumblewood reads Moosy town
Tumble questions QT's reads: Skynx, TT, FF
Tumble "Having trouble justifying not voting QT, but not feeling good about voting him, either."
Tumble reads TT, BTDT, Jealous, EC, Superbia, FF town
Tumble reads Kush, Scott, Skynx scum
Tumble reads EC, TT, FF town
Tumble reads Skynx scum This table is read from left to right; in other words, the person in the row thinks X of the person in that column.
It contains the most recent read from each person, meaning they could have changed their mind from a previous read. Some joke reads have been excluded. Defending others was not included as a read.
Red = Scum, Green = Town, Gray = Null/No opinion/Mixed, White = N/A![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/cBR85ud.png)
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My analysis of the data is the following and is reflected above in the chart.
1. I find FecalFeast the most suspicious now in my eyes. My reasoning is this:
FF reads EC town
FF reads EC town
FF support Jealous read QT scum
FF defends QT, questions Jealous
FF switches vote to kush, as per Superbia
FF defends EC
FF questions BTDT, defends Jealous
FF softreads Moosy, Skynx, Jealous, BTDT scum
In the chronological order of reads above, he flips his stance on QT around the time when it is clear that QT is going to be lynched, he switches his vote to kush after Superbia does, possibly giving him a convenient out? He then doesn't even read him as scum verbally. He also seems to be overly defensive/supportive of EC.
2. I need to do further analysis on EC to see if there is a connection there. I don't think Superbia is implicated here, although he could be.
3. I am going to stick to my stance on TT and Skynx as I haven't seen any suspicious behavior from them and do enjoy their analysis. I am also leaning town on Tumblewood.
4. BC and Scott really haven't contributed much of anything.
5. MoosyDoosy's gameplay is completely nonsensical.
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On June 06 2016 08:28 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2016 08:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
So who didn't shenannie, and why is a good plce to start Who piled on, and why is probably better. Or who dropped off after piling on.
Some people still need to answer these questions.
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On June 07 2016 09:04 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2016 00:53 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 06 2016 15:07 Jealous wrote:
My analysis of the data is the following and is reflected above in the chart.
1. I find FecalFeast the most suspicious now in my eyes. My reasoning is this:
FF reads EC town
FF reads EC town
FF support Jealous read QT scum
FF defends QT, questions Jealous
FF switches vote to kush, as per Superbia
FF defends EC
FF questions BTDT, defends Jealous
FF softreads Moosy, Skynx, Jealous, BTDT scum
In the chronological order of reads above, he flips his stance on QT around the time when it is clear that QT is going to be lynched, he switches his vote to kush after Superbia does, possibly giving him a convenient out? He then doesn't even read him as scum verbally. He also seems to be overly defensive/supportive of EC.
2. I need to do further analysis on EC to see if there is a connection there. I don't think Superbia is implicated here, although he could be.
3. I am going to stick to my stance on TT and Skynx as I haven't seen any suspicious behavior from them and do enjoy their analysis. I am also leaning town on Tumblewood.
4. BC and Scott really haven't contributed much of anything.
5. MoosyDoosy's gameplay is completely nonsensical. Can you provide quotes on where you think I did this drastic switch btw? I looked at my filter and I can't really figure out what posts you attribute to all of these "actions" I made? Why does what I did make me scum, even? Changing reads is something I do on the fly because I prefer to look at the game as it is happening most of the time until later in the game. Also because I have the memory of a goldfish. Just to remind jealous to respondto this
I will respond to this when my friends leave, I have some over right now.
In other news, I would like to point out that the Day 2 reveal said there were two senators who stabbed TumbleWood. Does that mean that there are only 2 Mafia?
GG TW
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On June 07 2016 10:41 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +
Clues:
The role PMs and night posts are purely flavor text. There are no clues.
from the op
Yea but I'm thinking that the host made an unintentional error there.
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On June 07 2016 10:49 Fecalfeast wrote:
I doubt it, it's flavour it has no meaning
Yea you're right, re-read the OP, definitely 3 Mafia. I guess one was chilling back in the hideout.
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On June 07 2016 14:50 Superbia wrote:
Jealous can you react to my scum read on you in less than 4 sentences?
It's a logical consequence of the flop plus whatever weight you might give to someone being tryhard, although in a former post you said "How can I mafia read someone that tryhard." Unless there are some points of yours that I've missed while being busy today, I'd say that the hole in the above logic is that it would be incredibly dumb to go so hard after someone I know is a newbie townie who is just spamming if I really was mafia. Of course, you may think I'm incredibly dumb like kush seems to so that could be a contributing reason. I know that your read is wrong but I also know why you made it, and you don't seem vehement in its pursuit so I don't think of it as a scum thing to do.
Looking at another subject, if this Skynx bandwagon comes to fruition, it would be really interesting to see who was on it post-flop.
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On June 07 2016 09:04 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2016 00:53 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 06 2016 15:07 Jealous wrote:
My analysis of the data is the following and is reflected above in the chart.
1. I find FecalFeast the most suspicious now in my eyes. My reasoning is this:
FF reads EC town
FF reads EC town
FF support Jealous read QT scum
FF defends QT, questions Jealous
FF switches vote to kush, as per Superbia
FF defends EC
FF questions BTDT, defends Jealous
FF softreads Moosy, Skynx, Jealous, BTDT scum
In the chronological order of reads above, he flips his stance on QT around the time when it is clear that QT is going to be lynched, he switches his vote to kush after Superbia does, possibly giving him a convenient out? He then doesn't even read him as scum verbally. He also seems to be overly defensive/supportive of EC.
2. I need to do further analysis on EC to see if there is a connection there. I don't think Superbia is implicated here, although he could be.
3. I am going to stick to my stance on TT and Skynx as I haven't seen any suspicious behavior from them and do enjoy their analysis. I am also leaning town on Tumblewood.
4. BC and Scott really haven't contributed much of anything.
5. MoosyDoosy's gameplay is completely nonsensical. Can you provide quotes on where you think I did this drastic switch btw? I looked at my filter and I can't really figure out what posts you attribute to all of these "actions" I made? Why does what I did make me scum, even? Changing reads is something I do on the fly because I prefer to look at the game as it is happening most of the time until later in the game. Also because I have the memory of a goldfish. Just to remind jealous to respondto this
+ Show Spoiler [Corresponding posts] +On June 05 2016 06:34 Fecalfeast wrote:
Oh yeah i also like emperorchamp for town On June 06 2016 05:02 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2016 05:01 Jealous wrote:On June 06 2016 04:45 QuickTwist wrote:On June 06 2016 04:21 Jealous wrote:
As far as the other posters, I'm glad that people have started pushing some ideas around as we approach the deadline. Here are some thoughts I have on the game so far:
1. I think that a lot of people in this thread are grasping at straws right now, which is understandable because there isn't much to go off of on Day 1. I don't see any utterly clear alliances here as of yet. It seems like a lot of A thinks B is scum who thinks C is scum who thinks D is scum who thinks A is scum, or something of the like.
2. Given the seemingly inconclusive finger-pointing patters so far, we will have to wait to see the results of the lynch and who voted for whom as our next indicator. As of right now, if my hypothesis is correct and QT is scum, then the people who voted alongside him without much early justification would be kushmountains and Tumblewood, who have not changed their vote despite the player being changed out and I found their arguments for removing sqrt to be weak in the first place (inactivity plynch 2 hours into the game, if I recall correctly? on top of that, other people were just as inactive). This is the most alliance-y thing I can point at so far, but it's too early for me to concretely say I feel that they are scum.
3. Following this line of logic, I don't feel that the votes/inclinations on QT are indicative of a scum alliance because most people have shown their own reasons for voting for QT, most of which are valid, or at least more valid in my eyes than a Scott lynch. Of course, if QT flips town it is possible that one or two scum bandwagoned in order to ensure that he wins over Scott in the last voting push, but it will be hard to tell who. It's simply too early to speculate in specific terms about who would be scum or not in this hypothetical scenario, so I will wait until I see all of the votes and their results.
4. I haven't gotten a strong read on anyone, which is probably because I'm newbie. So far my "could be scum" list is:
1. Kushmountains
2. Tumblewood
3. Superbia (weak read on this, don't have much certainty at all)
4. Fecalfeast (too absent, regardless of whatever excuses he may have)
and of course QT.
Everyone else, as far as I can tell, is townie. Scott can be thrown up there as well for his relative inactivity but I don't think it's fair to judge as quickly because he only learned he was in the game less than 24 hours ago. What if I said YOU could be scum if I turn out to be Town. Baseless you think? Honestly it is really freaking annoying you haven't re-evaluated your read on me and somehow everything I do is scummy to you. That is the definition of confirmation bias. So because you have chosen to no re-evaluate your read on me, even though my content has improved as the shit posting of day 1 decreases. can't help but think you are pushing an agenda. Claiming VT. ##Vote: Jealous Your only concrete argument as far as I recall is the one you just made, which is that I am pushing an agenda, so it's not entirely baseless. However, as objective as I can possibly be about this, I would have to say that your argument is weak. The majority of the town has read me as town, and for some that was a choice between scumreading me or you. I will concede that your posting has definitely improved since the first 24 hours. I see what you mean by confirmation bias now more clearly. I will justify by saying it is akin to how one approaches science: you formulate a hypothesis, run a test, gather some data, try to ascertain a conclusion. Then you present your article for peer review. So far peer review has corroborated my initial findings. The initial results will be put to the test after we see the flop. Although you claimed Blue PR since the first minutes of the game, which could've meant anything since you were shitposting a lot in that time, this is the first time you've claimed VT. MoosyDoosy also claimed VT, if I'm correct in assuming VT = Veteran, but his posting has been inconsistent too. I'm not saying this to make any sort of point, just doing stream of consciousness at the moment. I don't think it'd be wise of you to claim Blue PR if you actually were a Blue PR in the first minutes of the game, because scum would know that you are not scum, and thus when both the Day 1 lynch and the first scum kill are relative stabs in the dark, this seems like a poor strategy because it paints a target on your back. Of course, this could backfire and cause us to do scum's work for them, but I believe that there is no stronger case right now for anyone else and thus I will maintain my vote for you. VT is Vanilla Townie which makes his new claim more dubious imo On June 06 2016 05:18 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2016 05:09 Jealous wrote:On June 06 2016 05:05 QuickTwist wrote:On June 06 2016 05:01 Jealous wrote:On June 06 2016 04:45 QuickTwist wrote:On June 06 2016 04:21 Jealous wrote:
As far as the other posters, I'm glad that people have started pushing some ideas around as we approach the deadline. Here are some thoughts I have on the game so far:
1. I think that a lot of people in this thread are grasping at straws right now, which is understandable because there isn't much to go off of on Day 1. I don't see any utterly clear alliances here as of yet. It seems like a lot of A thinks B is scum who thinks C is scum who thinks D is scum who thinks A is scum, or something of the like.
2. Given the seemingly inconclusive finger-pointing patters so far, we will have to wait to see the results of the lynch and who voted for whom as our next indicator. As of right now, if my hypothesis is correct and QT is scum, then the people who voted alongside him without much early justification would be kushmountains and Tumblewood, who have not changed their vote despite the player being changed out and I found their arguments for removing sqrt to be weak in the first place (inactivity plynch 2 hours into the game, if I recall correctly? on top of that, other people were just as inactive). This is the most alliance-y thing I can point at so far, but it's too early for me to concretely say I feel that they are scum.
3. Following this line of logic, I don't feel that the votes/inclinations on QT are indicative of a scum alliance because most people have shown their own reasons for voting for QT, most of which are valid, or at least more valid in my eyes than a Scott lynch. Of course, if QT flips town it is possible that one or two scum bandwagoned in order to ensure that he wins over Scott in the last voting push, but it will be hard to tell who. It's simply too early to speculate in specific terms about who would be scum or not in this hypothetical scenario, so I will wait until I see all of the votes and their results.
4. I haven't gotten a strong read on anyone, which is probably because I'm newbie. So far my "could be scum" list is:
1. Kushmountains
2. Tumblewood
3. Superbia (weak read on this, don't have much certainty at all)
4. Fecalfeast (too absent, regardless of whatever excuses he may have)
and of course QT.
Everyone else, as far as I can tell, is townie. Scott can be thrown up there as well for his relative inactivity but I don't think it's fair to judge as quickly because he only learned he was in the game less than 24 hours ago. What if I said YOU could be scum if I turn out to be Town. Baseless you think? Honestly it is really freaking annoying you haven't re-evaluated your read on me and somehow everything I do is scummy to you. That is the definition of confirmation bias. So because you have chosen to no re-evaluate your read on me, even though my content has improved as the shit posting of day 1 decreases. can't help but think you are pushing an agenda. Claiming VT. ##Vote: Jealous Your only concrete argument as far as I recall is the one you just made, which is that I am pushing an agenda, so it's not entirely baseless. However, as objective as I can possibly be about this, I would have to say that your argument is weak. The majority of the town has read me as town, and for some that was a choice between scumreading me or you. I will concede that your posting has definitely improved since the first 24 hours. I see what you mean by confirmation bias now more clearly. I will justify by saying it is akin to how one approaches science: you formulate a hypothesis, run a test, gather some data, try to ascertain a conclusion. Then you present your article for peer review. So far peer review has corroborated my initial findings. The initial results will be put to the test after we see the flop. Although you claimed Blue PR since the first minutes of the game, which could've meant anything since you were shitposting a lot in that time, this is the first time you've claimed VT. MoosyDoosy also claimed VT, if I'm correct in assuming VT = Veteran, but his posting has been inconsistent too. I'm not saying this to make any sort of point, just doing stream of consciousness at the moment. I don't think it'd be wise of you to claim Blue PR if you actually were a Blue PR in the first minutes of the game, because scum would know that you are not scum, and thus when both the Day 1 lynch and the first scum kill are relative stabs in the dark, this seems like a poor strategy because it paints a target on your back. Of course, this could backfire and cause us to do scum's work for them, but I believe that there is no stronger case right now for anyone else and thus I will maintain my vote for you. OMG you are so wrong its not even funny. VT stands for vanilla townie. You are lynching the most worthless role there is in this game based on confirmation bias. People should take a really good look at you tomorrow. Yea, I made that mistake, again (posted this on the previous page), please disregard that last line of reasoning. However, this does not make the rest of the post "OMG so wrong." I stand by it. If you're saying the truth and you flip VT tomorrow, that would be unfortunate but not as bad as you being a blue PR, so that's taken a load off my shoulders ^^ If you're lying and you're scum, then that would be great and I'd be a boss. I'm liking this scenario. I really don't like this line of thinking. Yeah of course it's better to kill vt than blue but if you think there's a decent chance he is town why are you still so adamant about killing qt? On June 06 2016 05:20 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm going to agree with super again and switch to kush On June 06 2016 06:47 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2016 06:43 Tictock wrote:On June 06 2016 06:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 06 2016 06:37 Tictock wrote:On June 06 2016 05:34 emperorchampion wrote:
I don't think too much has been said in the last few pages to sway my opinion on voting QT. What I'm thinking is that if QT is town, tumble is probably town and jealous is maf. And if QT if maf, tumble is probably maf, jealous is town.
kush is a bit of a toss up, his filter is pretty empty but maybe he has an excuse? The plynch seems a little off to me.
Why would QT being mafia make you think Tumble is mafia with him? tumble pressured QuickTwist a ton but ended up saying a policy lynch was better. I thought it was a bit suspicious too but i think kush would be more likely Mafia than Tumble if QuickTwist flips Mafia. Yea ok, I can see that. And yea Kush might be a fine lynch as well. Honestly though I'm just not sure if I really care who gets lynched between QT, Kush, Skynx, and emp atm. Lots of people not really giving out good town vibes is making this a bit of a toss up lynch. What is your beef with emperor On June 06 2016 07:44 Fecalfeast wrote:
Wow that btdt post is bad he gives qt a pass for activity but then doesn't even mention the fact that jealous has been just as active On June 06 2016 11:38 Fecalfeast wrote:
moose could be trying too hard to emulate his townplay and he was pretty late to vote.
I didn't like skynx before when i was catching up but I can't quite remember why.
Starting to get worried that lawyer jesus is huge-posting his way into every towncircle
I seem to have written "reads EC town" twice by accident, a clerical error.
The first part of your response is fairly logical, the second seems like a paltry excuse. However, I've reconsidered my position on you for other reasons that I am still WIFOM on so I'm going to say that you are null for me right now.
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On June 07 2016 19:23 Superbia wrote:
Who do you think is scum jelly?
Seems like I need to see another day's votes and results to solidify my scum reads, but I feel like my town reads are becoming more solid because of a new approach I am using. However, given my superfail read Day 1, I would like to withhold reading anyone until Day 2 ends.
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On June 07 2016 23:51 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2016 23:32 Superbia wrote:
I'll read skynx' post later. Moosy pls explain why jealous is so town for you beyond any doubt that you're so willing to hard defend him like this. He's not town beyond doubt. The biggest problem here is that you never showed you had a scum read on Jealous in the first place. Why the sudden flip?
In my opinion he was trying to see my reaction, applying soft pressure that might make me seem scummy by being overly defensive or something along those lines? I was also a little confused when he said that.
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Last few pages have been interesting, I'm liking the new Moosy a lot more, at least in terms of post quality and style.
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On June 08 2016 01:42 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2016 01:17 Jealous wrote:On June 07 2016 19:23 Superbia wrote:
Who do you think is scum jelly? Seems like I need to see another day's votes and results to solidify my scum reads, but I feel like my town reads are becoming more solid because of a new approach I am using. However, given my superfail read Day 1, I would like to withhold reading anyone until Day 2 ends. Why do you reach this conclusion now?
As I said it is a new approach I am using while looking at the data I've collected and I will know how reliable it is after a few more results are made apparent.
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On June 08 2016 01:49 Superbia wrote:
Also you didn't seem to care about being wrong whatsoever. Completely emotionless at EoD.
The datadump wasn't just for my benefit, otherwise I wouldn't have posted it or made it presentable. I did that so that others could have a tool to use if they want to.
I was actually the only person to respond to, I believe Tictock and FecalFeast, who asked for an explanation on people's votes on QT. I posted my reasoning behind it. I don't see a point to being emotional about it, it was a Day 1 lynch and a bad misread and I'm a newbie. I did feel a slight apprehension at first after the flop because people might misread me as a result of it, but I figured come what may I will let my posts and reasoning speak for themselves. The way I see it, there is no reason to be emotional because I'm not scum and therefore I view it as a learning experience instead. This is part of the reason why I don't want to submit any reads right now and wait until more posts are made.
I took a very active role on Day 1, somewhat so on Night 1, and made a few mistakes, so I think it's time for me to say less and read more.
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On June 08 2016 01:50 Superbia wrote:
If you're town then very likely at least 1 mafia just piled onto your case on quicky. Who do you think that person is?
It's possible but I wouldn't say it's very likely. QT was in the lead for bans after Tictock voted for him and never left that position. At the time, the only person who was in contention with him was Scott. Even if three people switched their vote last second for kush, for example, QT would still be lynched even if the original 3 people who voted for QT. Everyone who piled on afterwards - is it really ensuring the lynch? How much insurance did they really think they needed? While statistically speaking is certainly possible that a mafia is on that list, it's hard for me to say who it may be.
I think we can remove Scott from suspicion (here, at least) because he was voting to keep himself in the game should people switch their votes onto him.
It would be more interesting if Skynx and Tictock saw my vehemence and used that as a springboard to start the bandwagon. Seeing as people seem inclined to vote Skynx, this is why I would rather see the flop after Day 2 before making any concrete arguments.
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