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On June 09 2016 09:47 MoosyDoosy wrote:
There was a chance emperor or Skynx would have been lynched until Tictock told everyone to vote for kush. This made you and emperor to switch votes onto kush.
Now, the reason why Tictock would expose himself like with the shenannies at EoD would be if either emperor or Skynx were his Mafia teammates and he wanted to push off of them and onto town!kush. That's assuming if Tictock's Mafia of course.
On the other hand, there's the possibility that Tictock was just misled town which as I said, is not uncommon.
The best course of action wouldn't be to go after Tictock in this scenario, but to look at the people who caused it. Either as Mafia or not, the fact remains that he pushed off of emperor/Skynx. If emperor/Skynx were Mafia teammates with Tictock, then it's fine to go for them as when we find the Mafia in them, it'll lead us to Tictock next day. In the scenario where Tictock was misled town, emperor/Skynx still have a high chance of flipping Mafia on their own.
So either way, it's best to go after emperor/Skynx and let Tictock sort himself out for a later day. It gives us more time to discern his alignment. As it is, the only thing you're doing is pulling the trigger right away as a gut reaction to a bad flip. But note that the same situation happened in D1 with you where you were part of a mislynch on QuickTwist.
So I'd advise taking a step back for now.
Moosy being this level headed and sensible actually scares me a little.
It's been forever since I played with him so hopefully this is just his town game improving.
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On June 10 2016 08:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:
alright guys i'm claiming cop and i was wrong.
beentheredonethat just flipped red from my check.
##Vote: beentheredonethat
What were your other checks?
And why did you check BtDt and not Emp or Skynx?
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On June 10 2016 08:51 Jealous wrote:
So if we mislynch, town loses unless a miracle happens and scum targets vet or a person who was being protected. I see now why blues coming out today could be crucial, in both directions. In my opinion, here it is by role breakdown:
Vet - No reason for them come out I think. That would just make scum's job that much easier by roleblocking and killing him when he is one of the only potential obstacles to their victory.
Doc - Definitely no reason for them to come out.
Cop - Cop needs to come out and give what his reads so far have been, unless they are one of the above two. If they are one of the above two, they should just say that person was VT. That way, scum won't know if the actual PR are in the cop's reads or outside them, effectively giving them nothing.
Vigilante - I don't see a need for them to come out, and it would be nice to potentially coordinate as a town both a lynch and vigi kill. If the kill doesn't happen, then we know there is no vigi. So far there haven't been any additional kills, so it is either a very reserved vigi or he doesn't exist. I'm leaning towards the latter.
Thoughts?
If there is a Vig this game they are terrible for holding their shot this long.
Vet could go either way, probably better for them not to claim unless they need to CC. Kus if you are Vet and 2 other people claim, then you know one of them is mafia. If mafia have a RB and think Vet is a possibility then they are probably RBing their NK's anyway.
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On June 10 2016 09:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Vote beentheredonethat for now to put the pressure on him and the scum team to respond in some way. You can always change your votes later anyway.
I disagree with this actually. Assuming your claim is true (and I'm thinking it's good) BtDt should be lynched, but if we just pile on him then today will be super boring and we will loose much chance to get info.
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On June 10 2016 09:07 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 09:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Vote beentheredonethat for now to put the pressure on him and the scum team to respond in some way. You can always change your votes later anyway. I disagree with this actually. Assuming your claim is true (and I'm thinking it's good) BtDt should be lynched, but if we just pile on him then today will be super boring and we will loose much chance to get info.
It's probably too late for this to not be the case though.
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I'm gunna take a break and give time for other people to post.
I'll take some time to double check that Moosy's claim checks out later tonight.
For now people should consider if BtDt is mafia who his teammates might be. Just don't go "Oh red check, lets vote and come back next phase"
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On June 10 2016 09:15 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 09:07 Tictock wrote:On June 10 2016 09:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Vote beentheredonethat for now to put the pressure on him and the scum team to respond in some way. You can always change your votes later anyway. I disagree with this actually. Assuming your claim is true (and I'm thinking it's good) BtDt should be lynched, but if we just pile on him then today will be super boring and we will loose much chance to get info. Well, if we bandwagon BTDT and no one says anything, wouldn't that be hella suspect? If scum doesn't both to CC or to otherwise question Moosy, that would mean that Moosy is the actual scum. Perhaps we should all jump on BTDT and see what happens?
Well I could answer this, but I don't want to give scum ideas.
Just think about it, and more importantly find a way to not have today be a long wait for him to flip.
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Ok I said I was gunna hold off, but mulling things over I think I feel pretty good about Moosy's claim. As such I propose we have a very solid town circle of Moosy, Jealous, and myself (I think I can backup why I am town if I need to).
I also feel pretty good about Emp being town still.
So question to Moosy and Jealous. What do you guys think about Emp?
Assuming for a moment that he is town, who do you think the last townie is? (between Skynx, Scott and Super)
+ Show Spoiler [Irony] +This reminded me... On June 07 2016 06:01 Tumblewood wrote:
scumlist v2.0
everyone whose name starts with s because scum also starts with s
Personally I could actually see a team of BtDt, Skynx and Super/Scott.
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So yea, lets use today to form a town circle so strong we crush this scum team.
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Moosy's first 2 posts at the start of D2.
On June 07 2016 08:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:
yaey tumble died. gratz on being pro at the game tumblerino.
I’m sticking by my read that Jealous was town so it looks like that whole shitfest at the start of the game was TvT which was totally unproductive. :D
Mafia is probably in one of the quieter players which unfortunately seems to be amongst the newer players. I do think that there is one Mafia in the veterans hiding himself very well but that will come with time.
IIIIIII think we should go for Skynx. Not completely sure though and I’d have to read through filters again.
On June 07 2016 12:40 MoosyDoosy wrote:
nope, pretty sure he's a town newb which makes our job easier.
Timestamp of that 2nd post to confirm he's talking about Jealous still.
There's a few more but it's pretty obv he got a green check on Jealous D2.
If he was scum fake claiming here I think he would have just "redchecked" Emp or Skynx, especially given he was kinda defending BtDt yesturday/last night.
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Honestly though, either way you've played a great game Mooosy.
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On June 10 2016 15:53 beentheredonethat wrote:
Just catching up. Posting from mobile since Moosy just claimed. Since there was no cc just yet, I think he is either genuine or no cop is in. I am not scum and I really want to point out that there is a framer in. I am the doc. I was roleblocked night 1, trying to save tumble, and I saved Jealous last night.
Given that no vig kill on Emperor happened, I think we do not have a vig in which makes Moosys cmaim stronger. Only thing is that his claim forced me to claim myself. We will be fucked if we lynch myself for Moosys framed check. Moosy will be killed at night then and if I count correctly, we lost. I posted extremely low volume all the time to not get on scum radar which so far worked.
So long story short: Moosy is the cop. There is a framer in. I am doctor.
Honestly this sounds like me when I got tracked as scum delivering KP, didn't want to outright call the person who tracked me scum and tried to invent a world where everyone was town.
Your reads check out I guess. You TR Tumble and put some faith in his posts, but the TR on Jealous feels less fleshed out. Tbh though there isn't much to go on.
Eh the world you propose is hard to believe because for you to be town mafia not only must have a framer (which is apparently impossible, if I understood the setup) but also a Roleblocker, and both targeted you. Moosy's claim is much smoother and tracks really well given his posts, which means for him to be fake claiming he planned it out from the start of D2.
So yea, I'm believing Moosy all the way here.
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On June 10 2016 14:00 Superbia wrote:
Also tt you are so different from pyp
I take a different approach everygame. Also I tend to get more involved as the game goes on, and PyP was one hell of a game.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 10 2016 15:35 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 08:30 Tictock wrote:
I feel like voting Superbia. He's suddenly scumreading me off the Kush flip which was his main scumread all game. The read flipping like that when a couple other people brought up doubts after EoD feels opportunistic.
I'm also just honestly not sure who is mafia anymore, it's time to reevaluate everyone.
##Vote: Superbia Gimme that PYP case. :D Sadly, even that EoN case didn't do the job it was supposed to do...
Does that make me scum? Fight me.
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On June 10 2016 19:44 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 19:20 Tictock wrote:On June 10 2016 14:00 Superbia wrote:
Also tt you are so different from pyp I take a different approach everygame. Also I tend to get more involved as the game goes on, and PyP was one hell of a game. + Show Spoiler +On June 10 2016 15:35 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 08:30 Tictock wrote:
I feel like voting Superbia. He's suddenly scumreading me off the Kush flip which was his main scumread all game. The read flipping like that when a couple other people brought up doubts after EoD feels opportunistic.
I'm also just honestly not sure who is mafia anymore, it's time to reevaluate everyone.
##Vote: Superbia Gimme that PYP case. :D Sadly, even that EoN case didn't do the job it was supposed to do... Does that make me scum? Fight me. You genuinely think I'm scum?
Honestly it's kinda a toss up between you and Scott for me. I've been reading both you guys mostly on feels.
This is of course assuming we aren't in one of the crazier worlds where Jealous is GF, Moosy is scum, my Yolo read of Emp is wrong.
Tumble had a point about there being a mismatch in the quantity of your posting vs your drive and content. There is also a similarity in your own posting from PyP. Active and poking at the game, but letting others drive the game.
Stuff like pointless go-nowhere questions.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 09 2016 05:16 Tictock wrote:
Ok, wasn't sure how I wanted to do this... I'm gunna try and just keep it simple.
I've prepared a few questions for everyone, they might be a little strange but if you could humor me. This is for science.
1) Emperorchampion - How difficult is this game for you? Is it easier or harder than you expected? Is there anybody who has a style of play that you admire or enjoy?
2) Skynx - Assume you got Vig shot right this moment (eliminated from the game)... What is the first thing you would do? Both Kush and me flip scum, how might you start looking for the last scum?
4) Scott31337 - What do you like to do to develop reads? What is your opinion of the current atmosphere of the game? Disregarding low activity, who is your weakest read?
5) blkcoffee -
6) Jealous - How is the return to TL Mafia going? You suggested that you enjoy having a role with some power, have you ever played in a game where everyone has some role/ability? If not, does it sound appealing?
1) beentheredonethat - How do you feel about your play so far this game compared to past games? How confident do you feel in your reads right now?
3) MooooooosyDooooosy - Scale of 1-5 how much fun are you having in this game? Does it compare to any recent games? Assume you are able to make some very game influential move before you die, would you prefer to clinch the game near LyLo or secure an early lead?
4) nnn_thekushmountians - What has gone right this game? What has gone wrong? How should we learn from our mistakes rather than make them again?
5) Superbia - Where do you get your drive from? What gets you motivated? What needs cultivating right now?
6) FecalFeast - What do you cling to? What right now is most disturbing or upsetting to you? Is it important to keep our first impressions or should we always be letting the waves of information influence us?
This took a surprisingly long time... Was hoping to have it finished last night, but I was too tired after GSL.
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On June 10 2016 20:08 Superbia wrote:
Why do you believe that emperor is townie enough not to be considered but I am?
In the moment his reaction to seeing himself tied with Kush in the votes yesterday felt extremely towny to me. Maybe I'm reading too much into that.
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On June 04 2016 08:44 Skynx wrote:
So, Incognito guide tells me town likes clarity and mafia likes contentless posts.
Jealous sounds towny to me. QT also keep things clean.
Super n moosy are kinda chatting shit so I assume we can read more as game progresses.
Super is most scummy so far.
On June 04 2016 09:37 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 09:32 blkcoffee wrote:On June 04 2016 09:29 blkcoffee wrote:On June 04 2016 09:21 Skynx wrote:On June 04 2016 09:11 Superbia wrote:On June 04 2016 09:01 Skynx wrote:
@Super I missed the part where QT townread 4 ppl as I was the 5th to post after daypost. ? But you commented on all my posts which were mostly after daypost, no? What? Those were after my first post of the day not sure what you're on about. My point was him making 4 reads is impossible cuz im the 5th poster and he's one out of 4 others. I somehow missed Tumble but yeah i dont think they are serious. Ah ok so you didn't see exactly 4 down reads. But youbsaw his 3 townreads. Less exciting now. Typing on a phone is difficult apparently. So when you say that quicks townreads aren't serious. Would you consider that cluttering the thread or being clear? Yeah i changed my mind now. QT and Superbia was just spamming and me tunnel visioning one of them didn't help. Newbie mistake. They both sound scummy.
Eh ok, so a Skynx - Superbia team is really unlikely. Newbie scum bussing a vet teammate right off? Takes balls of steel to do that.
On June 05 2016 03:23 Skynx wrote:
@tumble what makes you wanna plynch sqrt instead of fecalfeast who is yet to post a word since daypost.
Kinda defends Scott's slot.
On June 05 2016 22:57 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2016 22:31 Superbia wrote:
Skynx can you give me some updates regarding your thoughts atm? Tumble, emperor, you are townies For thoughts on QT read #604 Not much of read on most others but I don't feel like lynching kush+bddt for some timeThese are all just feels + I'm suspicious of one specific person but I'll keep that to myself for now.
Pretty hard defense of BtDt. Actually I think this is the first appearance of BtDt in Skynx's filter.
On June 06 2016 07:57 Skynx wrote:
How is no one mentioning blackcoffee?
This was him poping up EoD1 as soon as I suggested shennanies onto either him or BtDt.
On June 09 2016 04:38 Skynx wrote:
I'm not too happy switching to Scott he's super afk yeah but I really think we need to kill a big target today. Scott can be left for later on.
On June 09 2016 04:45 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 04:42 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 09 2016 04:38 Skynx wrote:
I'm not too happy switching to Scott he's super afk yeah but I really think we need to kill a big target today. Scott can be left for later on. Define "big target" please Not you, Scott or blk.
On June 09 2016 04:45 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2016 04:45 Skynx wrote:On June 09 2016 04:42 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 09 2016 04:38 Skynx wrote:
I'm not too happy switching to Scott he's super afk yeah but I really think we need to kill a big target today. Scott can be left for later on. Define "big target" please Not you, Scott or blk. Or btdt
Again defending both Scott and BtDt (and blk coffee to round out the low-volume posters minus Kush).
Bit premature but a team of BtDt/Skynx/Scott is starting to look like the answer here boys.
Also, this would mean my D1 reads were pretty on point
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Ok I'm pushing it, and should prob stop posting till I get some sleep.
Feels like things are falling into place though.
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Couldn't help but to peak at Scott and BtDt.
On June 07 2016 07:34 scott31337 wrote:Allright, I got some time to look over things - 1) Emperorchampion - this guy seems like newb town with some of his responses - 2) Skynx -He made a "case" on Quicktwist, which I am unsure new mafia would do - most are scared to stick out lilke that - but then also his last post is "Strategic lurking" so.... Not a bad fan at the moment. 5) blkcoffee - null not enough info - one page of filter 6) Jealous - Aggressive, shares his info and thoughts - townlean Venturing Vets 1) beentheredonethat - He shows his thoughts and posts, not all one-liners, townlean 2) Tumblewood - My gut instinct says hes town, i've read multiple games of his and this shows more of a town agenda - wants me dead though 3) MooooooosyDooooosy - He trolls a lot with either alignment, more as town though - and it's been a lot of trolling - 4) nnn_thekushmountians - he points out my posts, but I don't see a whole lot else from the guy. 5) Superbia - looks to be trying to figure out the game - townlean for now 6) FecalFeast -town chilled FF 7)Ticktock - This guy has quite a lot of opposite reads than I do, which makes me wonder - him and me in that milo game will always be on my mind  I think I have too many "townies" - I'd have to go with scumteam of TT, Moosy, and Blkcoffee for now with maybe a bit of Tumble - I think Tumble should be the one I completely re-read.
This is actually the last time Scott gave reads besides a fear read on me he's somewhat maintained. That in itself probably warrents a scumlean.
These reads align with a BtDt/Skynx/Scott team as well.
Honestly this is the only post that gives me pause about this team.
On June 06 2016 18:52 beentheredonethat wrote:
Given that Fecalfeast tried to initiate shenanigans makes me townread him. Since QT flipped town, there was absolutely no need for scum to try shenanigans. There were no other wagon on its way, so the mislynch must have been safe.
It is interesting to note that I ended up with two votes, due to the attempted shenanigans. I'm wondering why, I don't think I appear too scummy and I think I should definitely be part of any town circle that there is. I am easily readable, I try to establish my thought processes, and I kept my vote on MoosyDoosy: noone confirmed the meta/"is he able to emulate his town meta" question yet (besides himself). Also, his vote made the difference: shenanigans could've worked if he wouldn't have been the 5th guy to vote QT.
As a further note, Tumblewood still feels very townie to me. So I'll form my own town circle containing Superbia, Tumblewood, Fecalfeast, Jealous and myself (I have to review Superbia though, I don't remember much from the end of D1 that I really liked. Still town pile, though). Following that pattern, we could easily have all three scum players on QuickTwist. Removing Jealous as my town read, it comes down to:
Skynx, emperorchampion, scott31337, MoosyDoosy
Of those four players, scott had two votes cast on him, temporarily three due to the QT vote. That might have triggered MoosyDoosy to finalize the wagon of QT. What do you think about scott and MoosyDoosy, guys? I feel like I might have found a connection here. While it's not enough for a lynch IMHO, it should be enough to justify a potential power role action. One should examine those guys at night very closely.
I think it's too early to completely go by process of elimination - but I strongly suggest to not lynch outside of those players as the chance of having one or more scummers among those four bolded lads is very high.
My nulls (i.e. todos) are thekushmountains and Tictock.
Though it's not like there was any follow up with this scumread on Scott, instead his vote went onto Kush and pushed Emp as scum last night.
Ok now I'm done.
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On June 11 2016 02:11 Jealous wrote:
I'm Vet.
BTDT is scum.
Moosy is cop.
Anyone defending BTDT is probably scum also.
Superbia by extension must be town.
Discuss.
I assumed this was the case based on your reactions to the suggestion that blues claim.
Also in reply to Skynx questioning Moosy's check on BtDt. Honestly I find it more townie that his check there isn't totally logical. Scum who fake claim usually try to create a very believable story that lines up with what they said previously as perfectly as possible. Town tends to make stranger choices (one game some time ago we had a Town RB who literally RB'd mafia's NK target pretty much every single night).
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On June 11 2016 05:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2016 05:25 Jealous wrote:On June 11 2016 05:23 MoosyDoosy wrote:
@Jealous, why are you townreading Superbia again? Just want to make sure. He was the first to jump on BTDT for the inconsistency and didn't question your claim. Of course, he could be throwing a scum under the bus after newbie scum made a mistake, but I find that possibility to be so outlandish. Overall, he's been nothing but benefit to the town. If he is scum, it is the greatest scum play of all time. Alright nice. A team of Tictock/Skynx/beentheredonethat fits with the idea of a low-key scum team that didn't have much thread presence but was quiet enough that town was lost in the early chaos at the start of the game.
Seriously?
How in the hell do you think I am mafia with BtDt and Skynx?
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