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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10333 Posts
June 05 2016 20:09 GMT
#850
On June 06 2016 05:05 QuickTwist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2016 05:01 Jealous wrote:
On June 06 2016 04:45 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 06 2016 04:21 Jealous wrote:
As far as the other posters, I'm glad that people have started pushing some ideas around as we approach the deadline. Here are some thoughts I have on the game so far:

1. I think that a lot of people in this thread are grasping at straws right now, which is understandable because there isn't much to go off of on Day 1. I don't see any utterly clear alliances here as of yet. It seems like a lot of A thinks B is scum who thinks C is scum who thinks D is scum who thinks A is scum, or something of the like.

2. Given the seemingly inconclusive finger-pointing patters so far, we will have to wait to see the results of the lynch and who voted for whom as our next indicator. As of right now, if my hypothesis is correct and QT is scum, then the people who voted alongside him without much early justification would be kushmountains and Tumblewood, who have not changed their vote despite the player being changed out and I found their arguments for removing sqrt to be weak in the first place (inactivity plynch 2 hours into the game, if I recall correctly? on top of that, other people were just as inactive). This is the most alliance-y thing I can point at so far, but it's too early for me to concretely say I feel that they are scum.

3. Following this line of logic, I don't feel that the votes/inclinations on QT are indicative of a scum alliance because most people have shown their own reasons for voting for QT, most of which are valid, or at least more valid in my eyes than a Scott lynch. Of course, if QT flips town it is possible that one or two scum bandwagoned in order to ensure that he wins over Scott in the last voting push, but it will be hard to tell who. It's simply too early to speculate in specific terms about who would be scum or not in this hypothetical scenario, so I will wait until I see all of the votes and their results.

4. I haven't gotten a strong read on anyone, which is probably because I'm newbie. So far my "could be scum" list is:

1. Kushmountains
2. Tumblewood
3. Superbia (weak read on this, don't have much certainty at all)
4. Fecalfeast (too absent, regardless of whatever excuses he may have)

and of course QT.

Everyone else, as far as I can tell, is townie. Scott can be thrown up there as well for his relative inactivity but I don't think it's fair to judge as quickly because he only learned he was in the game less than 24 hours ago.


What if I said YOU could be scum if I turn out to be Town. Baseless you think?

Honestly it is really freaking annoying you haven't re-evaluated your read on me and somehow everything I do is scummy to you. That is the definition of confirmation bias.

So because you have chosen to no re-evaluate your read on me, even though my content has improved as the shit posting of day 1 decreases. can't help but think you are pushing an agenda.

Claiming VT.

##Vote: Jealous

Your only concrete argument as far as I recall is the one you just made, which is that I am pushing an agenda, so it's not entirely baseless. However, as objective as I can possibly be about this, I would have to say that your argument is weak. The majority of the town has read me as town, and for some that was a choice between scumreading me or you.

I will concede that your posting has definitely improved since the first 24 hours.

I see what you mean by confirmation bias now more clearly. I will justify by saying it is akin to how one approaches science: you formulate a hypothesis, run a test, gather some data, try to ascertain a conclusion. Then you present your article for peer review. So far peer review has corroborated my initial findings. The initial results will be put to the test after we see the flop.

Although you claimed Blue PR since the first minutes of the game, which could've meant anything since you were shitposting a lot in that time, this is the first time you've claimed VT. MoosyDoosy also claimed VT, if I'm correct in assuming VT = Veteran, but his posting has been inconsistent too. I'm not saying this to make any sort of point, just doing stream of consciousness at the moment. I don't think it'd be wise of you to claim Blue PR if you actually were a Blue PR in the first minutes of the game, because scum would know that you are not scum, and thus when both the Day 1 lynch and the first scum kill are relative stabs in the dark, this seems like a poor strategy because it paints a target on your back. Of course, this could backfire and cause us to do scum's work for them, but I believe that there is no stronger case right now for anyone else and thus I will maintain my vote for you.


OMG you are so wrong its not even funny. VT stands for vanilla townie. You are lynching the most worthless role there is in this game based on confirmation bias. People should take a really good look at you tomorrow.

Yea, I made that mistake, again (posted this on the previous page), please disregard that last line of reasoning.

However, this does not make the rest of the post "OMG so wrong." I stand by it.

If you're saying the truth and you flip VT tomorrow, that would be unfortunate but not as bad as you being a blue PR, so that's taken a load off my shoulders ^^ If you're lying and you're scum, then that would be great and I'd be a boss. I'm liking this scenario.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10333 Posts
June 05 2016 20:12 GMT
#854
On June 06 2016 05:10 QuickTwist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2016 05:08 Tictock wrote:
On June 06 2016 04:53 Superbia wrote:
I dislike that everyone was scumreading quicky that quickly (lolol), but I also don't like how quicky has been playing.

Tbh, I have looked up a game of quicky on another site (town game), and quickly looked through it on Friday. He struck me as a decently clever town player. I'm kind of missing that feeling here. He feels very defensive and uncomfortable.

But I'm pussying out and voting kush.


I kinda agree, the general flow of the game and how the votes are going seem to signal a very low key scum team that is probably not up for lynch atm.

QT is also giving me vibes that he's not really to concerned with the pressure atm which isn't really in line with a try-hard scum playing the activity game. I'm wondering if he's a player more like Moosy who's play can be pretty questionable and is lynchbait. While he's kinda all over the place and I have a hard time tracking much line of thought he is being pretty consistent about putting stuff out there.

Is your desire to lynch kush based on meta, or is it more policy due to him being pretty lackluster and only pushing a plynch himself?

I think I might be more keen on lynching Skynx myself.


Funny story, my first 16 games I was lynched day 1 eight times. When people don't understand what I do I get lynched, simple as that.

Care to reveal how many of those times you were scum?
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10333 Posts
June 05 2016 20:14 GMT
#859
On June 06 2016 05:12 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2016 05:08 Tictock wrote:
On June 06 2016 04:53 Superbia wrote:
I dislike that everyone was scumreading quicky that quickly (lolol), but I also don't like how quicky has been playing.

Tbh, I have looked up a game of quicky on another site (town game), and quickly looked through it on Friday. He struck me as a decently clever town player. I'm kind of missing that feeling here. He feels very defensive and uncomfortable.

But I'm pussying out and voting kush.


I kinda agree, the general flow of the game and how the votes are going seem to signal a very low key scum team that is probably not up for lynch atm.

QT is also giving me vibes that he's not really to concerned with the pressure atm which isn't really in line with a try-hard scum playing the activity game. I'm wondering if he's a player more like Moosy who's play can be pretty questionable and is lynchbait. While he's kinda all over the place and I have a hard time tracking much line of thought he is being pretty consistent about putting stuff out there.

Is your desire to lynch kush based on meta, or is it more policy due to him being pretty lackluster and only pushing a plynch himself?

I think I might be more keen on lynching Skynx myself.


Skynx has been meh iirc. But newbies are generally somewhat harder to read.

Kush hasn't really picked a direction and his pregame and ingame are off. Pregame he seemed very excited but ingame he hasn't been pro-active except for a shitty plynch push on scott which ended up being nothing.

^ I also noticed this discrepancy. He has posted some excuses like driving and being off work, and while I don't want to outright say he's lying, it's still a discrepancy.

Scumread on Superbia diminishes slightly.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10333 Posts
June 05 2016 20:21 GMT
#868
On June 06 2016 05:18 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2016 05:09 Jealous wrote:
On June 06 2016 05:05 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 06 2016 05:01 Jealous wrote:
On June 06 2016 04:45 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 06 2016 04:21 Jealous wrote:
As far as the other posters, I'm glad that people have started pushing some ideas around as we approach the deadline. Here are some thoughts I have on the game so far:

1. I think that a lot of people in this thread are grasping at straws right now, which is understandable because there isn't much to go off of on Day 1. I don't see any utterly clear alliances here as of yet. It seems like a lot of A thinks B is scum who thinks C is scum who thinks D is scum who thinks A is scum, or something of the like.

2. Given the seemingly inconclusive finger-pointing patters so far, we will have to wait to see the results of the lynch and who voted for whom as our next indicator. As of right now, if my hypothesis is correct and QT is scum, then the people who voted alongside him without much early justification would be kushmountains and Tumblewood, who have not changed their vote despite the player being changed out and I found their arguments for removing sqrt to be weak in the first place (inactivity plynch 2 hours into the game, if I recall correctly? on top of that, other people were just as inactive). This is the most alliance-y thing I can point at so far, but it's too early for me to concretely say I feel that they are scum.

3. Following this line of logic, I don't feel that the votes/inclinations on QT are indicative of a scum alliance because most people have shown their own reasons for voting for QT, most of which are valid, or at least more valid in my eyes than a Scott lynch. Of course, if QT flips town it is possible that one or two scum bandwagoned in order to ensure that he wins over Scott in the last voting push, but it will be hard to tell who. It's simply too early to speculate in specific terms about who would be scum or not in this hypothetical scenario, so I will wait until I see all of the votes and their results.

4. I haven't gotten a strong read on anyone, which is probably because I'm newbie. So far my "could be scum" list is:

1. Kushmountains
2. Tumblewood
3. Superbia (weak read on this, don't have much certainty at all)
4. Fecalfeast (too absent, regardless of whatever excuses he may have)

and of course QT.

Everyone else, as far as I can tell, is townie. Scott can be thrown up there as well for his relative inactivity but I don't think it's fair to judge as quickly because he only learned he was in the game less than 24 hours ago.


What if I said YOU could be scum if I turn out to be Town. Baseless you think?

Honestly it is really freaking annoying you haven't re-evaluated your read on me and somehow everything I do is scummy to you. That is the definition of confirmation bias.

So because you have chosen to no re-evaluate your read on me, even though my content has improved as the shit posting of day 1 decreases. can't help but think you are pushing an agenda.

Claiming VT.

##Vote: Jealous

Your only concrete argument as far as I recall is the one you just made, which is that I am pushing an agenda, so it's not entirely baseless. However, as objective as I can possibly be about this, I would have to say that your argument is weak. The majority of the town has read me as town, and for some that was a choice between scumreading me or you.

I will concede that your posting has definitely improved since the first 24 hours.

I see what you mean by confirmation bias now more clearly. I will justify by saying it is akin to how one approaches science: you formulate a hypothesis, run a test, gather some data, try to ascertain a conclusion. Then you present your article for peer review. So far peer review has corroborated my initial findings. The initial results will be put to the test after we see the flop.

Although you claimed Blue PR since the first minutes of the game, which could've meant anything since you were shitposting a lot in that time, this is the first time you've claimed VT. MoosyDoosy also claimed VT, if I'm correct in assuming VT = Veteran, but his posting has been inconsistent too. I'm not saying this to make any sort of point, just doing stream of consciousness at the moment. I don't think it'd be wise of you to claim Blue PR if you actually were a Blue PR in the first minutes of the game, because scum would know that you are not scum, and thus when both the Day 1 lynch and the first scum kill are relative stabs in the dark, this seems like a poor strategy because it paints a target on your back. Of course, this could backfire and cause us to do scum's work for them, but I believe that there is no stronger case right now for anyone else and thus I will maintain my vote for you.


OMG you are so wrong its not even funny. VT stands for vanilla townie. You are lynching the most worthless role there is in this game based on confirmation bias. People should take a really good look at you tomorrow.

Yea, I made that mistake, again (posted this on the previous page), please disregard that last line of reasoning.

However, this does not make the rest of the post "OMG so wrong." I stand by it.

If you're saying the truth and you flip VT tomorrow, that would be unfortunate but not as bad as you being a blue PR, so that's taken a load off my shoulders ^^ If you're lying and you're scum, then that would be great and I'd be a boss. I'm liking this scenario.

I really don't like this line of thinking. Yeah of course it's better to kill vt than blue but if you think there's a decent chance he is town why are you still so adamant about killing qt?

I don't think there is a decent chance. I only said "if."

I'm adamant about killing him because he is the only scumread I have any certainty about and so I went after it.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10333 Posts
June 05 2016 20:22 GMT
#869
On June 06 2016 05:20 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2016 05:20 Tictock wrote:
On June 06 2016 05:12 Superbia wrote:
On June 06 2016 05:08 Tictock wrote:
On June 06 2016 04:53 Superbia wrote:
I dislike that everyone was scumreading quicky that quickly (lolol), but I also don't like how quicky has been playing.

Tbh, I have looked up a game of quicky on another site (town game), and quickly looked through it on Friday. He struck me as a decently clever town player. I'm kind of missing that feeling here. He feels very defensive and uncomfortable.

But I'm pussying out and voting kush.


I kinda agree, the general flow of the game and how the votes are going seem to signal a very low key scum team that is probably not up for lynch atm.

QT is also giving me vibes that he's not really to concerned with the pressure atm which isn't really in line with a try-hard scum playing the activity game. I'm wondering if he's a player more like Moosy who's play can be pretty questionable and is lynchbait. While he's kinda all over the place and I have a hard time tracking much line of thought he is being pretty consistent about putting stuff out there.

Is your desire to lynch kush based on meta, or is it more policy due to him being pretty lackluster and only pushing a plynch himself?

I think I might be more keen on lynching Skynx myself.


Skynx has been meh iirc. But newbies are generally somewhat harder to read.

Kush hasn't really picked a direction and his pregame and ingame are off. Pregame he seemed very excited but ingame he hasn't been pro-active except for a shitty plynch push on scott which ended up being nothing.


Ah yea, it is true the disparity in his pre-game to in-game is real.

I thought he mostly plays from work so was kinda giving his low activity on the weekend a pass.

He did say he plays from work shit...

I don't see how that justifies him not playing at least a little bit on the weekends lol.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10333 Posts
June 05 2016 20:26 GMT
#872
On June 06 2016 05:15 QuickTwist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2016 05:12 Jealous wrote:
On June 06 2016 05:10 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 06 2016 05:08 Tictock wrote:
On June 06 2016 04:53 Superbia wrote:
I dislike that everyone was scumreading quicky that quickly (lolol), but I also don't like how quicky has been playing.

Tbh, I have looked up a game of quicky on another site (town game), and quickly looked through it on Friday. He struck me as a decently clever town player. I'm kind of missing that feeling here. He feels very defensive and uncomfortable.

But I'm pussying out and voting kush.


I kinda agree, the general flow of the game and how the votes are going seem to signal a very low key scum team that is probably not up for lynch atm.

QT is also giving me vibes that he's not really to concerned with the pressure atm which isn't really in line with a try-hard scum playing the activity game. I'm wondering if he's a player more like Moosy who's play can be pretty questionable and is lynchbait. While he's kinda all over the place and I have a hard time tracking much line of thought he is being pretty consistent about putting stuff out there.

Is your desire to lynch kush based on meta, or is it more policy due to him being pretty lackluster and only pushing a plynch himself?

I think I might be more keen on lynching Skynx myself.


Funny story, my first 16 games I was lynched day 1 eight times. When people don't understand what I do I get lynched, simple as that.

Care to reveal how many of those times you were scum?


I don't recall. My second game I was no lynched day one and I was scum. an unproportionate amount of times I was Town in my first 16 games though.

Well it seems like the only constant factor throughout all those experiences is you, fam. Change of environment didn't change the outcome, so maybe the reason is within? It's detrimental to town to so consistently lynch town when you're around.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10333 Posts
June 05 2016 20:26 GMT
#873
On June 06 2016 05:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2016 05:21 Jealous wrote:
On June 06 2016 05:18 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 06 2016 05:09 Jealous wrote:
On June 06 2016 05:05 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 06 2016 05:01 Jealous wrote:
On June 06 2016 04:45 QuickTwist wrote:
On June 06 2016 04:21 Jealous wrote:
As far as the other posters, I'm glad that people have started pushing some ideas around as we approach the deadline. Here are some thoughts I have on the game so far:

1. I think that a lot of people in this thread are grasping at straws right now, which is understandable because there isn't much to go off of on Day 1. I don't see any utterly clear alliances here as of yet. It seems like a lot of A thinks B is scum who thinks C is scum who thinks D is scum who thinks A is scum, or something of the like.

2. Given the seemingly inconclusive finger-pointing patters so far, we will have to wait to see the results of the lynch and who voted for whom as our next indicator. As of right now, if my hypothesis is correct and QT is scum, then the people who voted alongside him without much early justification would be kushmountains and Tumblewood, who have not changed their vote despite the player being changed out and I found their arguments for removing sqrt to be weak in the first place (inactivity plynch 2 hours into the game, if I recall correctly? on top of that, other people were just as inactive). This is the most alliance-y thing I can point at so far, but it's too early for me to concretely say I feel that they are scum.

3. Following this line of logic, I don't feel that the votes/inclinations on QT are indicative of a scum alliance because most people have shown their own reasons for voting for QT, most of which are valid, or at least more valid in my eyes than a Scott lynch. Of course, if QT flips town it is possible that one or two scum bandwagoned in order to ensure that he wins over Scott in the last voting push, but it will be hard to tell who. It's simply too early to speculate in specific terms about who would be scum or not in this hypothetical scenario, so I will wait until I see all of the votes and their results.

4. I haven't gotten a strong read on anyone, which is probably because I'm newbie. So far my "could be scum" list is:

1. Kushmountains
2. Tumblewood
3. Superbia (weak read on this, don't have much certainty at all)
4. Fecalfeast (too absent, regardless of whatever excuses he may have)

and of course QT.

Everyone else, as far as I can tell, is townie. Scott can be thrown up there as well for his relative inactivity but I don't think it's fair to judge as quickly because he only learned he was in the game less than 24 hours ago.


What if I said YOU could be scum if I turn out to be Town. Baseless you think?

Honestly it is really freaking annoying you haven't re-evaluated your read on me and somehow everything I do is scummy to you. That is the definition of confirmation bias.

So because you have chosen to no re-evaluate your read on me, even though my content has improved as the shit posting of day 1 decreases. can't help but think you are pushing an agenda.

Claiming VT.

##Vote: Jealous

Your only concrete argument as far as I recall is the one you just made, which is that I am pushing an agenda, so it's not entirely baseless. However, as objective as I can possibly be about this, I would have to say that your argument is weak. The majority of the town has read me as town, and for some that was a choice between scumreading me or you.

I will concede that your posting has definitely improved since the first 24 hours.

I see what you mean by confirmation bias now more clearly. I will justify by saying it is akin to how one approaches science: you formulate a hypothesis, run a test, gather some data, try to ascertain a conclusion. Then you present your article for peer review. So far peer review has corroborated my initial findings. The initial results will be put to the test after we see the flop.

Although you claimed Blue PR since the first minutes of the game, which could've meant anything since you were shitposting a lot in that time, this is the first time you've claimed VT. MoosyDoosy also claimed VT, if I'm correct in assuming VT = Veteran, but his posting has been inconsistent too. I'm not saying this to make any sort of point, just doing stream of consciousness at the moment. I don't think it'd be wise of you to claim Blue PR if you actually were a Blue PR in the first minutes of the game, because scum would know that you are not scum, and thus when both the Day 1 lynch and the first scum kill are relative stabs in the dark, this seems like a poor strategy because it paints a target on your back. Of course, this could backfire and cause us to do scum's work for them, but I believe that there is no stronger case right now for anyone else and thus I will maintain my vote for you.


OMG you are so wrong its not even funny. VT stands for vanilla townie. You are lynching the most worthless role there is in this game based on confirmation bias. People should take a really good look at you tomorrow.

Yea, I made that mistake, again (posted this on the previous page), please disregard that last line of reasoning.

However, this does not make the rest of the post "OMG so wrong." I stand by it.

If you're saying the truth and you flip VT tomorrow, that would be unfortunate but not as bad as you being a blue PR, so that's taken a load off my shoulders ^^ If you're lying and you're scum, then that would be great and I'd be a boss. I'm liking this scenario.

I really don't like this line of thinking. Yeah of course it's better to kill vt than blue but if you think there's a decent chance he is town why are you still so adamant about killing qt?

I don't think there is a decent chance. I only said "if."

I'm adamant about killing him because he is the only scumread I have any certainty about and so I went after it.

I guess I misinterpreted

No sweat, sometimes I don't come off entirely clearly.

On June 06 2016 05:23 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2016 05:22 Jealous wrote:
On June 06 2016 05:20 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 06 2016 05:20 Tictock wrote:
On June 06 2016 05:12 Superbia wrote:
On June 06 2016 05:08 Tictock wrote:
On June 06 2016 04:53 Superbia wrote:
I dislike that everyone was scumreading quicky that quickly (lolol), but I also don't like how quicky has been playing.

Tbh, I have looked up a game of quicky on another site (town game), and quickly looked through it on Friday. He struck me as a decently clever town player. I'm kind of missing that feeling here. He feels very defensive and uncomfortable.

But I'm pussying out and voting kush.


I kinda agree, the general flow of the game and how the votes are going seem to signal a very low key scum team that is probably not up for lynch atm.

QT is also giving me vibes that he's not really to concerned with the pressure atm which isn't really in line with a try-hard scum playing the activity game. I'm wondering if he's a player more like Moosy who's play can be pretty questionable and is lynchbait. While he's kinda all over the place and I have a hard time tracking much line of thought he is being pretty consistent about putting stuff out there.

Is your desire to lynch kush based on meta, or is it more policy due to him being pretty lackluster and only pushing a plynch himself?

I think I might be more keen on lynching Skynx myself.


Skynx has been meh iirc. But newbies are generally somewhat harder to read.

Kush hasn't really picked a direction and his pregame and ingame are off. Pregame he seemed very excited but ingame he hasn't been pro-active except for a shitty plynch push on scott which ended up being nothing.


Ah yea, it is true the disparity in his pre-game to in-game is real.

I thought he mostly plays from work so was kinda giving his low activity on the weekend a pass.

He did say he plays from work shit...

I don't see how that justifies him not playing at least a little bit on the weekends lol.

Still voted him

True.
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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10333 Posts
June 05 2016 21:47 GMT
#902
On June 06 2016 06:40 Skynx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2016 00:00 QuickTwist wrote:
OK I reread the thread, here are my reads:

Skynx and Ticktock are far and away my strongest scum reads and I really want one of them to get lynched today. I would be OK with a scott lynch.

The Town AF people are:

Emperorchampion
blkcoffee
beentheredonethat
Tumblewood

These are the people I will not be voting all game.

After posting this why would you vote Jealous? Scott was tied with you for a long time and you making an impossible case 5 hours befour lynch?
If you're really VT your moves dont make any sense.

To be quite honest, one possible reason is if he is in fact town, and thus suspects me of being mafia, so if he flips town he will further cast suspicion on me by voting for me. Someone already mentioned that if he flips town, they will think I am scum. This made me doubt he was scum for the first time in a while, because it makes sense as a townie move to me and would be guaranteed to have impact post-mortem whereas a vote for Scott would be seen as him trying to save his hide and might not even work considering how many people have been leaning scum on QT.

The other possible reason is because according to him I "suck at this game."

"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10333 Posts
June 05 2016 21:49 GMT
#904
On June 06 2016 06:47 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2016 06:40 Skynx wrote:
On June 06 2016 00:00 QuickTwist wrote:
OK I reread the thread, here are my reads:

Skynx and Ticktock are far and away my strongest scum reads and I really want one of them to get lynched today. I would be OK with a scott lynch.

The Town AF people are:

Emperorchampion
blkcoffee
beentheredonethat
Tumblewood

These are the people I will not be voting all game.

After posting this why would you vote Jealous? Scott was tied with you for a long time and you making an impossible case 5 hours befour lynch?
If you're really VT your moves dont make any sense.

To be quite honest, one possible reason is if he is in fact town, and thus suspects me of being mafia, so if he flips town he will further cast suspicion on me by voting for me. Someone already mentioned that if he flips town, they will think I am scum. This made me doubt he was scum for the first time in a while, because it makes sense as a townie move to me and would be guaranteed to have impact post-mortem whereas a vote for Scott would be seen as him trying to save his hide and might not even work considering how many people have been leaning scum on QT.

The other possible reason is because according to him I "suck at this game."


EBWOP Even though it made me doubt he was scum, it would be doubly foolish for me to change my vote, on top of the fact that I still see him as the #1 candidate.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10333 Posts
June 05 2016 22:26 GMT
#918
On June 06 2016 06:52 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2016 06:49 Jealous wrote:
On June 06 2016 06:47 Jealous wrote:
On June 06 2016 06:40 Skynx wrote:
On June 06 2016 00:00 QuickTwist wrote:
OK I reread the thread, here are my reads:

Skynx and Ticktock are far and away my strongest scum reads and I really want one of them to get lynched today. I would be OK with a scott lynch.

The Town AF people are:

Emperorchampion
blkcoffee
beentheredonethat
Tumblewood

These are the people I will not be voting all game.

After posting this why would you vote Jealous? Scott was tied with you for a long time and you making an impossible case 5 hours befour lynch?
If you're really VT your moves dont make any sense.

To be quite honest, one possible reason is if he is in fact town, and thus suspects me of being mafia, so if he flips town he will further cast suspicion on me by voting for me. Someone already mentioned that if he flips town, they will think I am scum. This made me doubt he was scum for the first time in a while, because it makes sense as a townie move to me and would be guaranteed to have impact post-mortem whereas a vote for Scott would be seen as him trying to save his hide and might not even work considering how many people have been leaning scum on QT.

The other possible reason is because according to him I "suck at this game."


EBWOP Even though it made me doubt he was scum, it would be doubly foolish for me to change my vote, on top of the fact that I still see him as the #1 candidate.

I understand your reasoning here but why are you answering for your #1 scumread?

Because I felt like it would be better coming from me than it would be coming from him.
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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10333 Posts
June 05 2016 22:50 GMT
#927
On June 06 2016 07:47 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
Wow were stfu lynching qt?

That's mean considering there's 0 percent he's mafia.

Now that we're 10 minutes from the flip and fingers have been pointed your way depending on the flipread, it would make sense for you to go back on your previous words which suggested we should lynch QT.
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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10333 Posts
June 05 2016 22:58 GMT
#941
On June 06 2016 07:57 Skynx wrote:
How is no one mentioning blackcoffee?

My thinking is if he is scum and is intentionally not voting because he thinks he will just get a warning or whatever (I asked in green text a few pages ago what happens to people who don't vote one time, but got no response so I'm going to guess this is the case), it would be a poor strategy because the hosts of this game know damn well that's what he did and why he did it and therefore intentionally broke the rules.
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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10333 Posts
June 05 2016 22:59 GMT
#943
On June 06 2016 07:58 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2016 07:57 Skynx wrote:
How is no one mentioning blackcoffee?

My thinking is if he is scum and is intentionally not voting because he thinks he will just get a warning or whatever (I asked in green text a few pages ago what happens to people who don't vote one time, but got no response so I'm going to guess this is the case), it would be a poor strategy because the hosts of this game know damn well that's what he did and why he did it and therefore intentionally broke the rules.

EBWOP So my theory is he is just inactive.
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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10333 Posts
June 05 2016 23:07 GMT
#950
On June 06 2016 08:06 Tictock wrote:
In retrospect kush was a smarter shenannie...

Bleh, no was just waited far to long to pull the trigger.

Why do it at all?
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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10333 Posts
June 05 2016 23:10 GMT
#953
On June 06 2016 08:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2016 08:07 Jealous wrote:
On June 06 2016 08:06 Tictock wrote:
In retrospect kush was a smarter shenannie...

Bleh, no was just waited far to long to pull the trigger.

Why do it at all?

One of our quirks here on tlmafia is that we do last minute vote switches a lot it's honestly pretty bad lol

That seems so dumb though. Why construct a false impression of your vote? That's just as misleading as posting a fake vote in this thread while voting for another in the vote thread, as QT did.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10333 Posts
June 05 2016 23:20 GMT
#957
On June 06 2016 08:16 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2016 08:10 Jealous wrote:
On June 06 2016 08:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 06 2016 08:07 Jealous wrote:
On June 06 2016 08:06 Tictock wrote:
In retrospect kush was a smarter shenannie...

Bleh, no was just waited far to long to pull the trigger.

Why do it at all?

One of our quirks here on tlmafia is that we do last minute vote switches a lot it's honestly pretty bad lol

That seems so dumb though. Why construct a false impression of your vote? That's just as misleading as posting a fake vote in this thread while voting for another in the vote thread, as QT did.

The idea is that the lynch turns out to be fairly obviously town based on how the player is reacting to being lynched or how the thead is moving and we yolo try to kill a scummy guy instead

Alright, that actually makes sense to me. But couldn't people use this as a cover to bandwagon someone and then jump ship for whatever reason? I can think of so many scenarios where this would be a scummy thing to do.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10333 Posts
June 05 2016 23:28 GMT
#961
On June 06 2016 08:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
So who didn't shenannie, and why is a good plce to start

I stick by my decision and the underlying reasons for it. My decision was made a long time ago, I was the first vote on QT.

Things that have been said/done that could have changed my vote, but did not, and why:

1. QT's posting quality improved. This did not change my vote because I saw it as too little too late, and he still spent the majority of his posts arguing with me and his contributions on other reads were few and weak.

2. QT claimed VT. He earlier claimed blue PR so I didn't give much weight to his new claim.

3. QT acted desperately in his defense, getting madbro. When I was scum, I did the same thing, so I went on personal experience here.

4. I didn't see any better choices based on their post content, and thus disregarded afkers.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10333 Posts
June 06 2016 02:45 GMT
#988
On June 06 2016 11:38 Fecalfeast wrote:
moose could be trying too hard to emulate his townplay and he was pretty late to vote.

I didn't like skynx before when i was catching up but I can't quite remember why.

Starting to get worried that lawyer jesus is huge-posting his way into every towncircle

Sorry, sometimes it takes me a lot of words to get to explain my rationale, and sometimes I do stream-of-consciousness to achieve that goal.

However, because I am town, I am obviously glad that my posting has had this effect. Although, I guess if I was scum I'd be even more glad, so I see where you're coming from. I expected more people to jump on me for leading the QT lynch, but it seems like at least some of you understand that I'm a dumb noob.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10333 Posts
June 06 2016 03:00 GMT
#998
On June 06 2016 11:52 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
k jealous. who next? not me i hope

My scott-vote hypothesis doesn't hold water any longer since QT flipped green, so for now I have to remove you from my suspect list, as well as Tumblewood. My other slight suspicion towards Superbia has been diminishing over time, which could be just good play or more content showing the truth. I can't ascertain which it is so for now I will have to just observe future posts. Fecalfeast has been more active recently, so there goes the last scum-lean I had from seven hours ago.

In short, I am somewhat confused and need some time to organize my thoughts and re-read some logs in order to see who I think may be scummy.

In the meantime, I don't agree that we shouldn't concern ourselves about mod actions. Reason being is unless something new comes up, I think blkcoffee is the logical policy lynch. Whether he receives a warning or a ban from the game and whether his activity will consequently increase will obviously affect our need for a policy lynch. I also asked the question earlier in green text, but received no answer, so I will do so again at the end of this post.

So, pending mod response, I would currently aim for blkcoffee.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10333 Posts
June 06 2016 03:01 GMT
#999
What happens to a player who does not vote?
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
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