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On June 04 2016 09:33 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 09:31 QuickTwist wrote:On June 04 2016 09:29 Jealous wrote:On June 04 2016 09:22 QuickTwist wrote:On June 04 2016 09:14 blkcoffee wrote:On June 04 2016 08:59 Jealous wrote:On June 04 2016 08:53 blkcoffee wrote:If it's alright with you I'm not going to read any of those games. I'm curious what you think of quick town reading you so early and his subsequent town reads. For quicktwist. Can you explain how you came to a serious vote on super. What changed? That's fine, they are there for anyone who is curious, and were presented solely as some substantive evidence against Tumblewood's flimsy read. What I think of Quick town-reading me so early is that he is that he is potentially trying to make allies among people he would know are confirmed townie, because he is mafia. Or, in retrospect, as my first post in response to him and Superbia was more or less stating that I found their behavior suspicious, he aims to pass that suspicion onto me by making it seem like I am in cohorts with them, or something. The fact that he is a newcomer to TL Mafia may have something to do with the fact that he is playing, in my opinion, fast and dangerous. This seems rather too in-depth this early on. I think if quicktwist gave an explanation For the town read we could analyse it and see how it holds up. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/8R2mw6O.jpg) Another dodgy response here. Leaning scum intensifies. you're going to have to explain how that makes me scum without saying the word "vibes". Instead of substantiating your claims you post image macros that effectively close the topic for further analysis and discussion, something that would be key for scum to do in order to protect themselves from further inspection.
the folly in this is that no one "protects themselves from further inspection" by posting images instead of responses, nor is that "key for scum to do". qt should not be afraid of the pressure you are putting on him because it is weak pressure (in the sense that it is convincing no one else) and it does not help him avoid inspection.
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ah goddammit I'm going after the low-hanging fruit
I'll be back when kush or someone is in the thread so I can be productive
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hi kush
On June 04 2016 10:21 nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
The single biggest indicator of alignment is consistent activity. That is why we need to kill a lurker day 1.
okay with plynches but not for that reason. in newbie games mafia is lynched almost never on d1 so I'd rather take my chances on someone who won't contribute than someone who might turn out to be a helpful townie
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On June 04 2016 10:29 QuickTwist wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 09:02 blkcoffee wrote:On June 04 2016 08:59 QuickTwist wrote:On June 04 2016 08:53 blkcoffee wrote:If it's alright with you I'm not going to read any of those games. I'm curious what you think of quick town reading you so early and his subsequent town reads. For quicktwist. Can you explain how you came to a serious vote on super. What changed? I explained this partially but I will explain to those who may not understand the intricacies of this. Sup is trying to look like he is town. So either he is playing some really fantastic head games with people and he wants people to vote him to see who picks up on his scummy behavior and votes Obvscum OR he is just really bad Scum who is trying to look like they are scum hunting in the most obvious straightforward way possible. I don't think he is so dumb that he could legit be Town trying to scum hunt, but at this point I can't rule that out I guess. Do you think that town should try to look townie and eliminate themselves from the lynch pool. No.
what
but why
it's in town's best interest to look townie (except to dodge nightkills) so town doesn't waste a lynch on them
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On June 04 2016 10:49 QuickTwist wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 10:47 Tumblewood wrote:On June 04 2016 10:29 QuickTwist wrote:On June 04 2016 09:02 blkcoffee wrote:On June 04 2016 08:59 QuickTwist wrote:On June 04 2016 08:53 blkcoffee wrote:If it's alright with you I'm not going to read any of those games. I'm curious what you think of quick town reading you so early and his subsequent town reads. For quicktwist. Can you explain how you came to a serious vote on super. What changed? I explained this partially but I will explain to those who may not understand the intricacies of this. Sup is trying to look like he is town. So either he is playing some really fantastic head games with people and he wants people to vote him to see who picks up on his scummy behavior and votes Obvscum OR he is just really bad Scum who is trying to look like they are scum hunting in the most obvious straightforward way possible. I don't think he is so dumb that he could legit be Town trying to scum hunt, but at this point I can't rule that out I guess. Do you think that town should try to look townie and eliminate themselves from the lynch pool. No. what but why it's in town's best interest to look townie (except to dodge nightkills) so town doesn't waste a lynch on them Town should scum hunt without worrying about what they look like.
finding scum is just one of the three pillars of being townie
1) find scum
2) establish your towniness
3) form a town circle with other townies
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On June 04 2016 11:00 QuickTwist wrote:
##Vote: Tumblewood
I shouldn't be getting this much town cred already should I?
said the player who gave out four townreads in the first half hour of the game
I think you should be getting towncred because the way you are acting is totally unlike how newbie scums tend to act
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wait what
qt why did you vote ("vote") me in this thread and then vote sqrt in the voting thread? what do you mean by that?
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On June 04 2016 11:24 QuickTwist wrote:
OK, so here's why I think Jealous is Town.
He's smart. He knows being overly confident in his reads helps town. He has been pushing scummy behavior namely, me. He is paying really close attention to the game and what people say and jumping on anything the looks like it could get traction. He's pushing his agenda and trying to be very correct.
For that reason I think he would make a really bad lynch today.
his scumreads are founded in a mountain of evidence, but that evidence does not make anyone scum. I don't see how you can refute his reads as misled but then call them good and townie all of a sudden.
townread suspended
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On June 04 2016 11:36 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 11:27 Tumblewood wrote:
wait what
qt why did you vote ("vote") me in this thread and then vote sqrt in the voting thread? what do you mean by that? The only outside theory I have, if I may, is again collusion. He voted for one player. He then changes his vote to another player, while possibly trying to slip by the fact that he actually voted for yet another player, one that only has any votes from kushmountain, a player whose defense for the lack of activity and analysis in comparison to his previous posting style was simply "I was at work so I had more free time," which should be bullshit to begin with. As I see it, there are two interpretations here: 1. QuickTwist is a free radical, a wildcard, and for that reason he is dangerous to the town. He does not respond to questioning with any substance, makes unsubstantiated claims, and he intentionally misleads the other town members. Maybe he just doesn't care. Regardless of the underlying cause, he should be lynched because even a townie of his character is detrimental to the town simply because of the chaos he propagates. 2. QuickTwist is Mafia, and potentially so is kushmountain. Being new to TL Mafia, QuickTwist acted rashly and had to backtrack after some further coordination with the veteran player. This means he is scum, and is detrimental to the town, and should be lynched. I fail to see any other alternative.
of course this is a crude summary, but the vibe I get from this post is, "QT acts irrationally, and therefore he is probably mafia," which is a poor basis for a scumread, because town players frequently act irrationally. QT has actually been the single most helpful person to town so far, regardless of alignment, because he has sparked quality discussion and remained active all game so far.
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also jealous what do you mean by collusion? I don't need a dictionary definition, but the word would imply that a townie is working to help the scum, which is surely not your intent. I may know what you mean as "buddying"-- do you mean that a scum is working to gain the trust of a townie by townreading him?
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On June 04 2016 11:37 QuickTwist wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2016 11:31 Tumblewood wrote:On June 04 2016 11:24 QuickTwist wrote:
OK, so here's why I think Jealous is Town.
He's smart. He knows being overly confident in his reads helps town. He has been pushing scummy behavior namely, me. He is paying really close attention to the game and what people say and jumping on anything the looks like it could get traction. He's pushing his agenda and trying to be very correct.
For that reason I think he would make a really bad lynch today. his scumreads are founded in a mountain of evidence, but that evidence does not make anyone scum. I don't see how you can refute his reads as misled but then call them good and townie all of a sudden. townread suspended ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/8Bs6BgS.jpg)
does this post mean something or no?
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going to take a break until I inevitably get bored and come back
playing this game is just not fun for me right now because the only two active players are on (what I see as) the wrong track and set in it. feels like I'm talking to a brick wall.
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holy shit I checked the thread one last time before going to bed
Jealous and QT... ur bad, kidz
what you see from TT is pretty normal behavior for early day 1, and you're so eager to jump onto people for easy reasons ("said something that wasn't productive", "off topic", "could be scum doing X stupid plan") and also don't recognize a joke when it's right in your face.
I'm sitting somewhere between 'scum' and 'scrub' for both of you... it seems like one of QT and Jealous surely has to be mafia because they're both acting unnecessarily tryhard, but if they're both scum together then it must be the play of the century to keep a stupid conversation alive so long between two scumbuddies.
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also qt did you just say that pre-flip associations are the work of scums?
I'll have you know that pre-flip associations are my pride and joy, my lifeblood, my bringer of light, and I will not have you sully the fair name.
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ok yeah as I see it one of QT and Jealous has to be scum. they're both acting independently scummy (eager to read anything as scummy, tryhard tone, making mountains of molehills). I don't believe that they could both be town, although if they were I will mock D1 relentlessly in postgame. I also believe that they could not keep up this stupid bickering for so long as partners. I'm leaning toward QT at this point for refuting everything Jealous says and then townreading him for it (pretty shallow townread IMO, there's more to the game than just how much you write that's semi-productive). Jealous maybe, but I think my dislike of his tone biases my judgment. 6/10 would lynch QT D1 and if he flips town lynch Jealous D2
or we could plynch sqrt and let their alignments become more apparent over time.
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inb4 someone yells at me for saying stuff and leaving immediately
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BTDT (that's what I'll be calling beentheredonethat for the rest of the game) is probably town because newbie scums tend to have a hard time making a coherent, decent case.
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Upon further review, QT v. Jealous might be a town v. town argument, but I'm hesitant because it's not quite a shitfight-- QT is townreading jealous while bickering with him, although I do get the sense that jealous believes and cares about what he says.
BTW, those arguments on the basis of "tryhard" are because tryhard has an inherent component of insecurity, which is a big scumtell in newbies.
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Definitely want to go for a plynch today because I feel the active newbies will both make their alignments obvious and be useful to town as the game progresses. Also, I fear a situation where we have to guess on inactives in LyLo. + Show Spoiler +Lynch or Lose-- like a 2v1 or 3v2 scenario
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On June 05 2016 01:45 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2016 01:33 Tictock wrote:Ok I piddled around too long and am not going to be able to elaborate as much as I wanted to about my scum reads, but here is the short and sweet version. QT - There is just too many inconsistencies in his play for me to overlook. He pushed Super early for "trying to look town" + Show Spoiler +which is a terrible reason to scumread anyone, especially when that doesn't reall describe Super's play at all imo and then scum reads me for basically doing the opposite + Show Spoiler +not openly giving my reads . His posts in general feel pretty disjointed and his thoughts sometimes backtrack or dissapear for no reason + Show Spoiler +Sorry no time for examples . Combined with some of the points other people have made about his flippant and largely unfounded reads and dismissve approach to questions... yea this guy is top of my lynch list. Emperorchampion - I liked his open, but the rest of his posts fall flat and he quickly dropped the attitude he started with. The way he spent a lot of effort filterdiving QT + Show Spoiler +filters so early in the game? to come up with a townread on him, then made a townread on Tumble with much less effort and used Tumble's thoughts to conclude that Jealous is scum is really off. Thats it for now, I may get a chance to post later tonight, but likely won't be around till tomorrow.
##Vote: QuickTwist Filter diving, I like the term  To be honest, with regards to filter diving, I'm just not really sure the best way to play the game, so I'm trying things to see what works out.
this comes from a genuine townie who's trying. emperor is town.
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