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On June 10 2016 16:18 Superbia wrote:
I'm going back to work. IF someone does not understand the logic here I can explain it later. Don't be lazy though. Read my posts thoroughly and try to understand it first.
I need help with your dice rolling interpretation. Between the two of us, either you presented the information incorrectly or I misunderstood it in our common language or I simply don't get the semantics. I don't know what dice rolling up is. I don't get your breakdown of tables and what each number value signifies for each of the six dice. Perhaps I misunderstood the OP, but in order for me to trust your absolute logic on the fact that BTDT is scum and Moosy is not, you will have to explain with more clarity, "Explain Like I'm 5," if you would.
As of now, it seems foolhardy to trust your word without understanding your rationale, because if you and Moosy are in cohorts as scum, then town is doomed. It is an all-or-nothing situation, and as such I feel that if you're town you owe the newbs and town an explanation that is more coherent.
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If Superbia's logic checks out, then BTDT fucked up real bad. If it doesn't, then Superbia fucked up real bad, trying to convince newbies. The former seems more likely, but I don't know enough to lean either way until I get a concrete answer on the matter.
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On June 10 2016 17:18 beentheredonethat wrote:
Claiming doc is no fuck up. Moosys claim is not genuine if Superbia is right. And it is a wrong call due to me being framed if Superbia is wrong. I hope Superbia is right because if he is not and Moosy really is cop, then town loses both power roles within one cycle and the game is lost.
I'm starting to think that I'm wholly retarded, because I don't follow your logic either. Can you explain it in greater detail, more inductive reasoning steps in between?
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On June 10 2016 17:24 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2016 09:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Vote beentheredonethat for now to put the pressure on him and the scum team to respond in some way. You can always change your votes later anyway. Why would you need to bother putting pressure on him if you redcheck'ed him?
I will venture an answer here for the sake of continuing your involvement: if Moosy is in indeed cop, then his role is only absolutely valid to himself; putting pressure on BTDT could force a slip-up from scum?
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On June 10 2016 17:33 Superbia wrote:
Okay.
3 tables:
- Each start at 0.
- Each time a die is rolled, one of the tables is incremented by 1 according to the die result.
- When a table reaches 3 and that table is incremented, it goes back to 0.
So tables go 0->1->2->3->0.
Or we can say EVEN->UNEVEN->EVEN->UNEVEN->EVEN->...
This is part 1.
Now we tie each table's value to their respective role:
Table T1: 0: GF, 1 framer, 2 GF, ...etc. OR:
T1: Even: GF, Uneven: Framer
T2: Even: Vigi, Uneven: Cop
T3: Even: Vet, Uneven: Doc
This is part 2.
Now when we divide 6 increments over these tables, everything being uneven is impossible. Why?
Two answers:
Answer 1 is expanded: In order to reach everything as uneven, we need to increment all 3 tables by 1, which leaves us with 3 increments (dice rolls) left. But how do we divide the remaining 3? If we increase a table by 1, it reaches even. If we increase a table by 2, we are left with 1. Finally, if we increase a table with 3 it becomes even.
As such, it is impossible to reach this result.
Answer 2 is reversed. Mathematically we know that an uneven number of elements of all uneven numbers results in an uneven number when added up (try it out). The same way that an even number of uneven numbers always results in an even number when added up. As such, The addition of 3 (number of tables) elements all being uneven can never be 6 (an even number).
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if there are 6 dice rolls for 3 tables, could the results not be 1+6, 2+5, 3+4, all of which are uneven and equal 7?
Am I totally braindead about this system???
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I'm Vet.
BTDT is scum.
Moosy is cop.
Anyone defending BTDT is probably scum also.
Superbia by extension must be town.
Discuss.
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(5)Neo Town Circle the Final:
Jealous, Moosy, Superbia, scott, Skynx
(3)Tau Scum 2.0:
BTDT, Emp, TT
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On June 11 2016 02:33 Jealous wrote:
(5)Neo Town Circle the Final:
Jealous, Moosy, Superbia, scott, Skynx
(3)Tau Scum 2.0:
BTDT, Emp, TT
Sorry, you might be able to put Skynx in Tau Scum 2.0 and maybe take out TT.
"please please someone claim cop"
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On June 11 2016 03:18 MoosyDoosy wrote:
high five jealous!
Hi5
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On June 11 2016 03:18 beentheredonethat wrote:
Great. It's vet and doc then and you're not only lynching the doc, you also revealed the last blue to scum. Once I flip, the game is over if I counted correctly.
GG MoosyDoosy, Superbia, and whoever is your third.
Just for the record, it's impossible for Cop-Doc-Faker to be in the same game. So the scenario that you got faked and came up red for Moosy is impossible. The scenario that Moosy is scum and you are doc and I am vet is impossible. I am vet. You are scum.
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On June 11 2016 03:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:
it worries me slightly that btdt is tryharding to not be lynched but i'm going to hope shapelog actually did balance this game so that we don't actually have vet, doctor, and cop all in one game.
It seems like standard panic-mode backpeddle to me.
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So now that both blue roles are out, I am willing to bet that Moosy will get killed tonight, and their roleblocker is useless (since we know that faker doesn't exist, it must mean that they have a roleblocker, unless I misunderstood something somewhere). After that, there is no benefit for them to lynch me over another town because the only role that roleblocker can block is mine, and would have to do so to kill anyway. There is no point in exploring the option that Moosy is scum and I am scum and that BTDT is innocent because if that is the case, then the game will be over. There is only a point in exploring this - who are the remaining scum? I've posted my reads, although I did have to EBWOP to include a little level of uncertainty. All the remaining town, please give it your all today because it is pivotal. I want all the input, and given the low amount of remaining town, it should be relatively evident who is trying to save someone's hide and who is actually in it for the town. Let's have an open discussion about it - there are 3 confirmed towns today and 1 confirmed scum, leaving 2 town and 2 scum to be discovered. Let's explore the possible T/M divisions with that in mind.
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On June 11 2016 04:55 Superbia wrote:
You didn't have to claim z_z also slightly annoyed I was wrong
I felt that today was a crucial day and it solidifies Moosy's claim and BTDT's crime. If someone else had come with a CC prior to me, it would have thrown a wrench in the works. As I explained above, roleblocker's last remaining use is to make sure I get killed in one night, which is not a relevant metric if we didn't overcome this hurdle today. I've effectively become a VT, but if my assumptions are correct and you didn't play an insane long-con, then Moosy, yourself, and I are all town. Please refer to the above post for the direction I think we should be heading in today for the remaining hours.
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On June 11 2016 05:23 MoosyDoosy wrote:
@Jealous, why are you townreading Superbia again? Just want to make sure.
He was the first to jump on BTDT for the inconsistency and didn't question your claim. Of course, he could be throwing a scum under the bus after newbie scum made a mistake, but I find that possibility to be so outlandish. Overall, he's been nothing but benefit to the town. If he is scum, it is the greatest scum play of all time.
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On June 11 2016 05:25 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2016 05:23 MoosyDoosy wrote:
@Jealous, why are you townreading Superbia again? Just want to make sure. He was the first to jump on BTDT for the inconsistency and didn't question your claim. Of course, he could be throwing a scum under the bus after newbie scum made a mistake, but I find that possibility to be so outlandish. Overall, he's been nothing but benefit to the town. If he is scum, it is the greatest scum play of all time.
EBWOP it may be worthwhile to examine his previous reads to look for inconsistencies, but I have company over so I can't atm.
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On June 11 2016 05:41 beentheredonethat wrote:
I just want to point out that the host did not answer the setup questions. You guys are about to lose the game because you lynch me. Two protective roles make absolute sense if there is a roleblocker in.
I hold Jealous' claim for genuine.
More points against Superbia: he was townread almost all the time. How is mafia not killing this guy?
Points against Moosy: why exactly did he check me? He townread me before. So why say I am scum? Because my activity Level is low enough to make me an easy target.
Also note that there are a lot of people that seem just fine doing - nothing. Those people are to blame once I flip.
Again, I am the doctor. Moosy is not the cop. In a setup based on dies, Two protective roles are possible. Especially since this game's hosting has been rather slow and lackluster, no offense.
If this is the case, the only explanation is that the game was set up incorrectly, and then we've all been playing in a dream world that was actually a nightmare.
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On June 11 2016 05:59 beentheredonethat wrote:
Superbia, MoosyDoosy, Emperor. Game solved. If there is post-game Talk, please quote this post when talking about how I solved the game but town was too ..not saying dumb, but it's not very intelligent, too... to win.
Do you still not understand how mathematically your claim was obviously false, or...?
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On June 11 2016 06:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2016 05:51 Jealous wrote:On June 11 2016 05:41 beentheredonethat wrote:
I just want to point out that the host did not answer the setup questions. You guys are about to lose the game because you lynch me. Two protective roles make absolute sense if there is a roleblocker in.
I hold Jealous' claim for genuine.
More points against Superbia: he was townread almost all the time. How is mafia not killing this guy?
Points against Moosy: why exactly did he check me? He townread me before. So why say I am scum? Because my activity Level is low enough to make me an easy target.
Also note that there are a lot of people that seem just fine doing - nothing. Those people are to blame once I flip.
Again, I am the doctor. Moosy is not the cop. In a setup based on dies, Two protective roles are possible. Especially since this game's hosting has been rather slow and lackluster, no offense. If this is the case, the only explanation is that the game was set up incorrectly, and then we've all been playing in a dream world that was actually a nightmare. This would be the absolute worst case scenario. Actually, there are normally preset role scenarios in most newbie games but it doesn't look like it was applied here which makes me a sad panda.  I will willingly screenshot my role PM post game as Gaius as well.
I will second this as Pompey, but I don't think this is necessary. It would only invite fabrications and the like from any trying to claim false roles and it's not very hard to do. I would rather leave that door open and if anyone chooses to cross it, we would have an instance of try-hard, no?
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Please post your reads on town/scum 2/2
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