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On April 20 2016 07:30 Koshi wrote: My vote will be on the person who I think contributed the least and will be the hardest to read town in future days. Thats a reasonable place to store your vote, but I think I'll just stick mine on scum : P | ||
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On April 20 2016 07:34 Damdred wrote: Hello I'd advise everyone but koshi to put a number in your post so that you can keep a better check on them. Koshis just awesome enough he doesn't need it. I think we should policy lynch hts for two reasons. We have a pretty good chance to hit scum and she is probably drinking whiskey which is her scum drink of choice. Fight against the powers and game mod tyranny of hts by striking her down here! [1] Why do we have a better chance of hitting scum on hts rather than on anyone else? what is this mod tyranny you speak of 2 | ||
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On April 20 2016 08:00 DoYouHas wrote: Huzzah, town this time. It amuses me to see you all worried at the cap. To you it is a limit to be minded. To me it is a aspiration . You are all merely adopting low activity for a game. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see spam till I was nearly a man and by then it was naught to me but fluff. - Gumshoe is overplaying the jokes with Koshi and Damdred. you assume I meant it as a joke : P I didnt like how Damdred made an identical filler post twice, I think we should policy lynch hts for two reasons. !We have a pretty good chance to hit scum and she is probably drinking whiskey which is her scum drink of choice. Fight against the powers and game mod tyranny of hts by striking her down here he then wasted a second post saying the same thing / : Listen guys I just want to make Teamliquid great again. A vote for hts is a vote for freedom. I want to build a wall between this town and scum. So let's go. I came into to this game looking for a specific kind of post from scum early. It would fill two cirterias. 1: it would be fluff (policy lynch) 2: it would be the kind of posts that draw in responses drawing towns attention to a policy lynch based off joke reasons fits these 2 criteria, the goal of which is to burn posts from multiple townies concerning shit that is unreadable. Also the serious questions in my first post to him are jokes, not because I meant them jokingly, but because the questions do not get meaningful answers, whereas the vote can actually get good responses. so yeah, the vote was as series a vote as one can make on page 2 of a game of mafia. the joke was a truth and the questions lead only to lies / : also seeing damdred act a little forced at the start reminded me of this, the reason I want to go is because I think playing with different players elsewhere will get me out of this laxy funk I am in to some degree. It would force me to play against players who don't know my meta and where I can't skate by on reputation. shrug its a bit just for me instead of the community and I won't stand in the way of koshi either and I'll try to just work through some of the things I've talked through with some people. (his reasoning for wanting to go to champions) I figure his current mindset is pushing him to make bigger plays as ether faction than he would typically. new section- why gumshoe is wrong. 1: How else are people supposed to get stuff rolling aside from filler?-answer- meh 2: Why would damdred sweep into defend you if hes scum? answer-wifom? Yeah does seem like that was a good opportunity to pounce. 3: why didnt you bring this all up right away? - wanted to see how people would respond. not disappointed. 4: Whats wrong with trying hard? you do it all the time (except when you dont) -answer- meh 5: arent you wrong like six times a game gumshoe? -answer- shut up, this heres the one, gonna catch em all day 1 : P overall case stability-3/10 | ||
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On April 20 2016 08:41 Damdred wrote: It's not easy ring posts if I am putting reads into the game or was entering the game. While it's true that scum like wasting posts so they do not have to post later in the phase I am probably doing half in the first then do 10 and saving 15 near eod. A post restrictive game doesn't have to be a dead game. SL is obviously null Town on gumshoe and on dyh (tentative on both for halfway meh reasons) LS is sort of in the bottom half of null bordering on a scum lean. He entered the game bringing nothing new but rehashed something someone else said and making it look worse than it was. He could be scum. admittedly it's not a very good case on you / : I'm just gonna assume I was flat out wrong, ##unvote You expressed an opinion about Plynching and then joke-scummed Damdred. The opinion has nothing to do with Damdred, he just prompted it. Gum asked Damd to give him a reason to think HTS was more likely to be scum for real. Then, after his question is blown off with another joke, goes back to a joking tone and vote. It is the shift from a pressuring tone back to a joking tone for no reason that caught my eye. Long explanation for a small feeling, but whatever. this is about the opportunism I was expecting / : but it's not very strong and it doesn't feel like hes baiting someone else in to come after me, just posting his feels. slight townie read (5) | ||
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On April 20 2016 08:58 Fecalfeast wrote: I think the only alignment indicative thing so far is gumshoe acting like there's been anything alignment indicative so far. 2 -_- bitch, you know how I am speaking of overanalysis I am only here to learn the ways of the low count poster. Well, I guess I am already failing, but w/e. What is different between what I did, and what Gumshoe did? I dont like how shape tries to bunch me and him together in turns of our posts. Likes hes defending himself through defending me, proxy wars op slight scum lean. | ||
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On April 21 2016 00:30 Shapelog wrote: You shouldn't have to ask that question. You should already know. You even wrote about it on why you don't like tumble. I finally get to do it before Gumshoe you cunt, this will never be forgiven XD Although I get a towny sentiment from Koshi, I also don't understand Koshi's scumreasoning for Fecalfeast, - I skimmed the latter's filter and I see a lot of the lazy Fecalfeast meta, I didn't understand Koshi's words about "town should be grilling sicklucker" when depending on the player it's not necessarily always the case, it was obvious to me that sicklucker was facetious. Additionally, Fecalfeast "not making a difference" is not necessarily exclusively mafia indicative for him. For the games I've played with him, he has both lazy town and mafia metas, but even in his lazy town meta, he will try and do something at some point. We're a bit early in the cycle to pass judgement IMO. To sum it up, Fecalfeast could be mafia but not necessarily for that. dis well written post. I really like Hts atm, she seems to be really thinking through everything she sees in the thread and her posting style is well ordered and easy to read. If shes scum she going to be hard to catch as she seems competent regardless of alignment, even though I currently am feelings the towns / : now, while I agree theres no real indication of fecal atm, I get a scumish feel from him / : but yeah feels are worth about as much as my jar of pennys. six I thunk? | ||
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On April 20 2016 07:34 Damdred wrote: Hello I'd advise everyone but koshi to put a number in your post so that you can keep a better check on them. Koshis just awesome enough he doesn't need it. I think we should policy lynch hts for two reasons. We have a pretty good chance to hit scum and she is probably drinking whiskey which is her scum drink of choice. Fight against the powers and game mod tyranny of hts by striking her down here! [1] I also starting to think HTS is scum because she picking a easy target history wise in me and she just saw me play in cell as scum so if she is mafia she got a perfect opportunity to do it here. this paranoia reads to me as townie as ls it shows ls is keeping games in the back of his mind as he plays. Which makes me think hes trying to improve as we speak, something scum tend to lack as scum tend to improve in alot of other different ways that have little to do with past games (better lunging, anti association, ect). | ||
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On April 21 2016 03:06 Koshi wrote: Why is it well written? It are 5 lines saying absolutely nothing. And it has no sentiment behind it. Why not say: "Koshi I think you are jumping the gun on FF, I have seen him play games as this town as well". Instead you wrote all that. Which didn't help town anywhere. It is a big pile of nothing. And one of her first posts? Really bad imo. Really looks like scum pretending to contribute. cause it reads to me like her thought process as opposed to her conclusions 1: think kioshis town but dont get his read of f 2:checked through the other and saw him looking scummy 3: another point from koshi i dont agree with 4: seems like koshi is jumping the gun. I think shes just putting down her thoughts in response to your read in the order that she thought them, makes her seem more transparent to me. I am also not sure if I'm a fan of your trap door spider style this game, are you always this hyper vigilant or is this just a setup sensitive tac? That said I dont like this bit from tic as well Koshi and SL are both underwhelming to me atm, but meh. in your case, you've made it clear your trying to pounce, regardless of what that means seems kind of silly to read you as underwhelming for a strategic choice -_- | ||
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On April 21 2016 04:05 Koshi wrote: I understand that you could be town and do the things the way you did as town. But I don't understand why. 1) I put pressure on FF. 2) You say 5 lines about FF that say NOTHING AT ALL. DOES NOT FURTHER THE GAME AT ALL. TAKES PRESSURE AWAY FROM FF. And just undermines my pressure. 3) You do this for no apparent good reason because you are completely null on FF. at this juncture people are offering thier thoughts on everyone and everything, not everyone is playing as guarded and deliberate as you koshi. (Ironically your poise is actually drawing attention / Oh and no ones stopping you from pressuring ff, nor does anyone owe you an obligation to let you do so. | ||
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town reads. Lstrike/thor(voice I read posts/virp) Seems like a lot of genuine effort put into things and people are saying hes not usually like that so from my personal exp thats a big sign of town. In terms of what hes done, picking a fight with hts seems unideal, regardless of his reasons, I would expect him to have an underdog facet going on with her as scum (killed before by her) the aggro doesnt really make sense unless he is genuinely paranoid/worried. Damdred(starlord) as I said earlier, would have expected him to pounce on me for what was a terrible case, I am also far far from the best player here so theres not much point. I actively expect both townies and scummers to accuse me based off my play so far, but I dont see much point in town reading me. Hts - (Magonigal) same opinion as before, feels transparent and makes fair points. Dont think shes right about ls though koshi (shelob) Still not entirely sure what to make of him, but he is an active driving force and his role back on hts feels like a townie thing to do(ie scum would feel pressured to keep beating dead horses) Shapelog(pickard) seems happy and also confused/curios good townie mindset. I can follow his reasoning and I agree with his tt scum read. gb (frank reynolds) Last game we played dude was defined by low activity and calling me scum, hes keeping pace with my expectations. ------------------------------ end of town --------------------- scum TICK TOCK (shibukai) first attacks dyh for nitpicking me, (while finding kosh underwhelming for derp reasons) hes initial list of scummers is just a great big pile of lurkers then after dyh gets town read a bunch he comes back onto me even though little has changed since he trd me. This kind of double backing feels like hes looking for whatever to murder. He also scum reads ls which puts him in mah bad books. ##vote tick tock | ||
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I am also not commenting on anyone else cause I dont have voices for them yet. Dyh seems like town on a cursory look. | ||
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On April 22 2016 06:39 Damdred wrote: I do like this post the scum read feels slightly omgus but the town reads sort of make sense and if he gets lynched and is scum gives us a lot of info when he doesn't have to. He's pretty town for this. My issue with tick is not that he accused me, it's that he first town read me and then scum read me for what was kind of the same content. Maybe he just didn't read throughly the first time but his pounce followed by double back reads to me as hunting for fault. Also sick is now doc holiday. We may now lynch him if there is no better target, I am used to far more activity from him and he seems a bit more defensive/reserved then usual | ||
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Could kill ff as he's been active but lack luster but that is apparently his meta so watcha gonna do. I probably won't lynch outside those 2 plus tick for today. | ||
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On April 22 2016 07:01 Tictock wrote: I did pretty clearly state that I was rereading the game and stuff... At the start of the game I liked that you were putting out what felt like a lot of content. Reading it again it wasn't nearly as much as you backtracked off stuff as fast as you put it out there (re: your damdred case where you made like 5-6 points as to why it was bad in the same post you defended your vote not being a joke...) Kinda uneasy now as well since you are just now showing up after quite a long absence for the last ~hr of the day and after there was the signs that maybe a wagon could get going on you. Eh, I posted yesterday I did my time I understand your presentation as to why you changed your mind on me, I just don't quite bilieve it as this is a game about you know, lyng. | ||
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Ff is the better choice methinks. | ||
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On April 22 2016 07:16 Koshi wrote: Then why are you voting for SL????????????????????????????????? Mistake XD, | ||
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Cause it's not happening, and my day is shit anyways so maybe that's for the best. also my cp is kinda fucked up so posting this all from phone, I don't feel cozy really pushing someone without quotes and time stamps. | ||
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On April 22 2016 07:22 Tictock wrote: And yet you joined the SL wagon and now the FF wagon without either of those while you seemed to return to the game with a scumread on me... Feels like you are being pretty opportunistic here and just going with the flow rather than pursing your own thoughts and reads. Sl wagon join was an accident XD phone fingers are on auto pilot Also I'm not bieng opportunistic, I'm bieng realistic. You have been far more active then me, regardless of alignment your playing a better game honestly ATM, and I can't use qoutes and shit on this thing. So yeah, I don't really feel like screaming tick rock is mafia impotently till flip. Better to lend my weight to whichever said I think has a higher chance of red. After, all there is more than one scum. | ||
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On April 22 2016 23:08 Half the Sky wrote: 29/40 Also gauging their interactions with each other and in the context of the end of day voting, I am also of the opinion that there is one mafia between Tictock and gumshoe (expand quotes for the fuller picture) I think it would be more accurate to say were just not both scum together. I am playing beneath my standards this game so I'm not shocked that people find shit I do scummy so it is possible that tick tock is town. Weve also never played together before and historically players in games with me for the first time tend to find me scummy. but yeah if one of us flips scum, it's safe to say the other is town. But not the opposite. In general though I feel like this lynch was between 3 townies(ff hts sl), hence all the jumping around and lack of agendas. Scum probably just did not care about todays kill, so it's hard to read into it, but I will say this, the timing of shapes vote(last on to ff) makes me think hes town. Him sort of rushing onto ff as if his train was about to leave the station is townie cause i I doubt scum would be so eager to jump on a green flip when theres no danger of scum dying. Conversly Damdred jumping off the ff lynch to jump onto hts little bit before the flip seems like he may have wanted to distance. but I am not as sure about that as the shape vote, I just dont see scum abandoning their pet accusation to hop onto what they know is a mislynch. | ||
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On April 23 2016 03:44 Damdred wrote: i'm working on my eon post currently and don't have a ton of posts but i'll answer anything in the meantime. 1) LS don't make things between you and HTS. You are tunneled at worst at best shes scum but I don't think what you are pushing her for exactly make her scum. I'm still thinking if shes scum but i'm pretty sure you are town so just chill and look at other people atm. 2) As for you GB yes I have a feeling you are town right now, as for those three I think all three are town. which spoils my post later on whops. 3) Its not distancing so much to move off a lynch thats going on 100% of the time. Kind of a null thing either side could do it. And shape had to vote was the easiest wagon, his response to his own vote and not really doing anything about it was a little worse I think. I agree that what you did could easily just be you trying to salvage what you thought was a bad lynch But shape was already on sl, he coulda just kept screaming for his head instead of just jumping onto what was gonna be an obvious green flip if was scum. That and his posting doesn't actually offend or anything so if nothing else I feel it's safe to assume he's town. | ||
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On April 22 2016 09:30 Fidei86 wrote: Can we give this guy a fucking medal for least convincing flip contrition? Jesus Jokes on you, I'm an Alomancer. | ||
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On April 23 2016 06:10 LightningStrike wrote: Okay so Shape's reason for switching seems odd. He wanted to lynch SL but decided to switch to FF despite the fact that he didn't like the swing of votes to FF and his defence for it was kinda poor too. Gumshoe reason for voting FF was he disliked FF's wasted post style but he was scumreading TT even more and claimed it was because TT wouldn't get lynched that he voted for FF. Although I do still think he's town it just odd. Koshi didn't like FF early on but then took his attention to HTS,Me, and DYH only to trust his early read on FFand seems to trust Koshi a little much. Seems calmer than my last game with him idk why is but seems like it. @Shape: What are your reads atm? @Gumshoe: Why you thought it would be a waste to push for the lynch of your choice EoD? Koshi: What are your reads atm? My comp was acting frizzy yesterday, couldn't make a big case so didn't feel comfortable pushing someone who was trying a lot harder than me sans qoutes and good formatting. Especially when my day 1 is not particularly reliable to begin with. Also I didn't hate FFs odds of flipping scum, def wasn't gonna vote sl or hts. | ||
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This changes a lot about the day 1 lynch so hopefull there's stuff to find there. Damdred flip does not suprise, but he was pushing hts pretty hard, so it's interesting that scum chose to take that pressure off her. | ||
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So scum must have ether a) been actively jeopardized by him enough they risked the shot or b) saw that he was so off the trail they figured killing him would further their cause and remove a solid townie at the same time. This of course pertains to the alignment of one tumble weed, damdreds prime case and the reason I assume for the risky shot onto him. Going by the effective case work so far deaddam and liveskies and the type of scum team the death of sl seems to imply we're dealing with, I think the obvious reasoning of starlord being shot to buy some space for a reeling scum team seems fair. So yeah I see no reason to get fancy, I'll take a tumble today. ##vote tumble | ||
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On April 23 2016 11:59 Tumblewood wrote: I like HtS's associative D1 reads post, but besides that I hate to inform you that you're not lynching me today no matter how shitty or lazy my play is. + Show Spoiler [proof] + On April 22 2016 06:59 Tumblewood wrote: Voting sicklucker? I don't know why everyone switched all of a sudden. Going now but will be back just before deadline. On April 22 2016 07:40 Tumblewood wrote: NO gdi why did you all sheep me. Told you not to but you just wouldn't listen. Shape/hts/gum on the tail end of the wagon... Usually i'd say there's one scum on the wagon but there might be two. Running out of phone battery though but will definitely be here before EoN1 (probably tonight though) On April 23 2016 06:54 Tumblewood wrote: Don't care about conserving posts because I have so many right now. Even with one post per two minutes they wouldn't run out by eon anyway SL is probably the one looking weirdest to me atm damdred looking even stronger gumshoe is looking a little better on mobile, will be useful tomorrow though amazing how inconsistent one's capitalization can get without anyone noticing damn it's going to be nice to be a potential nightkill for once Umahgod that's amazing, your incredible and I look so baaaaads XD kill me now plox, I'll just put out some reads before I die and it'll be ok. Seriously I could not have fucked up worse, just just put me out of my misery please. ##unvote Also pretty sure tic is town, all his points on me are solid honestly, his lung thing was just the only scummy thing I saw at the time but honestly he's just not that scummy besides that ##vote gumshoe | ||
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On April 23 2016 12:25 Tictock wrote: Yea... that seems like a pretty solid claim. ##Unvote TumbleDood Although I'm mildly upset that his means I should relook at things. .... Well I should but I'm just gunna vote gum. This kinda reeks of TMI and mafia sided thinking. Mafia sided thinking here in Bold. Evaluating Blueness of Damdred and focused on potential of KP blocking. I also don't like as part of the reason why he wanted to lynch tumble. Plus I already pointed out how Gum was lapdogging towards Damdred EoD so him doing it again here doesn't impress. Ima level with you, I'm am putting like 20 percent effort into this game and no comp sucks, Though there is absolutely no reason to give me a pass for that as those words were literally parroted by sl... Who was scum..... Who I town read for said words and then hopped off...... Oh my god this is amazing, my lurk meta would have looked better than this XD | ||
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On April 23 2016 13:07 Tumblewood wrote: wtf gumshoe you didn't have to go full beggar mode there's still like 40 hours good use of a post ls hey gumshoe here's another land mine for ya: do you imply by this that you think hts is scum[mier]? OH MAH GAWD MORE SHELLS YAAAAY Also dont worry, I'll def throw out as much as I can regardless, but yeah I really feel like dying today, this is just the worst string of luck bad play I have ever combined. I was implying hts was a bit scummy yes, but then I saw the case damdred put out onto tumble and thought he was the one that killed for pressure relief. Now that thats not the case I'm kinda coming back around to hts as scum / : (cause thats def gonna help not get me killed XD) I will review her filter, she may very well have killed damdred to destroy the one big townie who could be a threat to her / : then pinned that scenario onto tumble, (even though he was coming around to town reading her after) sigh duck ALL I KNOW IS SHAPE IS TOWN, ALL HAIL SHAPE. | ||
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On April 25 2016 01:36 GlowingBear wrote: 16 Gumshoe are you there? I want to ask you a few questions. Soup, | ||
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On April 25 2016 02:04 GlowingBear wrote: 17 Actually it was nothing, I was just checking if you were looking at the thread but not doing nothing to fight your lynch. Thank you for your attention. kewl : D as for fighting my lynch, it doesnt matter what I say, I've fucked up enough that theres always going to be some doubt and I dont want that bringing town down. I made the mistake of signing up for a game off the high of another, I've done that before but I simply did not learn my lesson then, without the actual will to devote the effort. None of that matters though, because the dude with that very excuse was scum and given my role in saving him no amount of effort on my part should ever clear me in this position. gg good luck town. | ||
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there is simply no caveat, it would be hypocritical of me to tell town not to kill me when I fulfill all my own lynch requirements. 1) seemingly uncaring of the game 2) tied to scum 3) no real pushes or cases against anyone. | ||
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On April 25 2016 02:22 Tumblewood wrote: yeah, as genuine as this seems, I don't ever want to take someone to LyLo like this. too many question marks, and there'd always be that question in the back of my mind, "was that concession fake?" BUT, you can salvage this, gumshoe. if you are town, use your position as future confirmed townie to leverage your reads. I hate to see townies give up like this because I know you can still be useful. yeah dont worry writing stuff up now : D but at this point yeah, if players like tick tock and gb wind up bieng scum, they can fill days just accusing me over and over. But im not convinced tick tock at least is scum, so I dont really want to push him back. If I die, it'll force scum to adapt, which they dont ever have to atm because they will always have valid arguments against me as I am actually super duper scummy this game. | ||
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Seeing a few arguments about people being underwhelming, it's a poor argument to have been made <10h into the game, but that's just me. SL, DYH, GB based on their openers are all people that I'd need to see more content from. SL in particular has both active and lazy town and scum metas. Note the bolded, she lists a bunch of names, some of which must be town, but directs our attention to sl, basically saying, look at this guy, he deserves scrutiny. It's not all out bussy, it's like shes asking other people to keep an eye on him which is not at all scummy as if she was intending to buss all out, she would probs do so herself to ensure cred. This matters because hts is a dominant force in thread and she knows that, when she directs people to look at someone, they are likely to do just that. It's a detail, but an important one methinks. ------------------------------------------------ Oh also theres been some questions as to why I focused on the nk wifom stuff so much, the answer is sheer laziness. An nk is a really easy thing to theorize about even without that much thread info. I talked about it alot cause I couldn't be assed to really dig into the game. -------------------------- ls The way ls tried to shape up the lynch to be between him and hts is the opposite of scummy, he is definitely one of my top towns and an uptick in typical activity (especially non blatant spam activity, ls has at least 6 very large decent quality wots) is usually very townie, as the urge to post more reads in thread is a townie impulse (until you get to the highest levels of course and not many people in this game, myself included, are there) ------------------------------------------------------ Gb-----, I fucking hate attacking players who are attacking me, I hate it because I feel robbed of objectivity. I only did it to tic cause it was noteworthy how he doubled back, and his first opinion felt informed by a pounce, but the rest of his stuff seems fine. (will go into that later) But at this point, I have to face the fact that those pushing me with certainty have a good shot of bieng scum, as I look terrible so they dont have to worry about me flipping green making them look bad, as they whole town will be shocked when I do and so they are free to push me as they please without fear of recourse. if theres a scum between tic and gb, it's honestly gb. This is going to sound weird giving what we know of how things actually went down, but gbs arguments against sl are terrible and reek of contrived red framing Ok since SL never answered me, I must say I don't like his posts He has an opening calling Damdred "null" (the only thing I can understabd from bolding a name) because damdred was wasting posts. This is bad because: 1) It is impossible to have contentful posts in the beginning of the game 2) Calling someone null is saying something someone did is not alignment indicative, which means (I) he is wasting a post because he is saying nothing contributive, and (ii) he is trying to look contributive while saying nothing at all. Wanting to lynch LS in the beginning of the game for wasting posts just reinforces this perspective There are two massive leaps in logic here, first off, gb assumes that the grey bolding sl uses means null, the problem with this is gb has a very distinct opinion of what null means. He asserts that calling something null is a sin, when even a smidge of thought of what sl is actually saying dispels that. Saying someone is blatantly wasting posts, and greying them out for it is effectively saying that they are acting in a manner that is scummy but that does not 100 percent make them scum. Ie they are worth keeping an eye on but not worth drowning in accusations this very moment. sl, regardless of his alignment, is pointing out damdreds behaviors because the game has just started and hes offering an opinion on how he feels about some elses play. Sometimes we find things odd or shady and want to communicate that without totally alienating a potential townie. Its something scum might do, but just as well something townies do as well, the fact that sl was scum means nothing. gbs reaction to it is totally out of proportion and utterly insincere. He also had to make multiple assumptions about what sl was trying to say ,and what calling something null actually means, to allow himself this reaction. It just seems so wierd and blown out of proportion, more like something I would write / : does not at all warrant the "are you kidding me" gb gives out. None of this would bother me, except for the fact that gb never ended up voting sl especially because he said he would sheep damdred I'm voting with Damdred because he is my strongest townread atm damdred voted sl, regardless of how fake gb seemed about sl from my view, gb clearly was passionate about him as he wasted like 2 posts out of pure outrage twoards sl. instead he voted ls and stayed there, as you know ls is one of my top town reads coming out of day 1, so what does gb see that I dont? In the beginning he seems to think ls is town via reverse association with sl Wanting to lynch LS in the beginning of the game for wasting posts just reinforces this perspective Later on, he posts a big case on ls and me and abandons his pursuit of sl to do so. He seems to think were scum together, because of how fast ls abandoned his read on me, note, I abandoned my read on damdred just as fast, this somehow makes damdred town, but me scum -_- in general early game is a time when we know nothing about each other and sometimes we abandon early reads the instant actual content comes to light, you know, kinda like how you seemingly abandoned your read of sl entirely after realizing… what about him? Regardless, the above isnt the damning bit. Here TT notices the same thing as me on LS. He also seems to be thinking critically about every person in the game. Makes me feel he is most likely town. A weak read, but a town one he claims tic tock sees what he saw, but theres no mention of what he saw or agrees with in this post or any before it. So I assume it has to be one of the two points tic raised here, 1: That ls is wasteful (tinfoil hate jokes) Didnt you town read ls earlier for sl going after him for spam posts? When did you invert your opinion? 2: That ls was pouncing on me. As for 2, tick claims ls is scummy for pouncing me and reads me as town. Gb totally disagrees with this as we saw earlier, he thinks me and ls are scum together. Damdred DYH Tumblewood gumshoe LightningStrike Tic and gb seemingly both have different versions on what happened, tic thinks im town and ls was scum pressing, but then what gb sees is ls doubling back because were both scum together. Yet he agreed with tic ? Why didn't he mention this key distinction then? Why didn't he clarify what it was he was agreeing with when he seemingly didnt buy tics point on ls spamming(seeing sl as scum for going after that earlier) and didn't agree with tic conclusions about what ls and me were all about? Did he even read what tic posted? smells like..................... contradiction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! / : Seems like hes contorting thier views to fit (though they really dont) so that he can vote on the guy they both agree on, ls, and through this all his sl read is seemingly lost entirely, and is no longer even a vote option for gb. Also this post is terrible regarding me. Bad backtracking. Do you want or you don't want to have discussion ongoing? It makes me feel you actually wanted to justify your vote to LS instead of just pushing a discussion further. Townie points taken away. Null leaning to scum. Wtf is this, of course I want to discuss, thats the game, I made a vote to see how people would react, got the townie reaction from dam and backed off as theres no point chasing those I dont think are scum (same story with tic tock honestly) gb is scum reading me for changing my opinion(which isnt bound to be that great at games start anyways) and explaining why I did so(which was to look for reactions, like ls’s, to you know, discuss). Hwat. In general gb seems to go after people for not constantly being at one anothers throats... sure scum can be timid, but thats hardly a rule. Also wierd was gbs attitude to the lynch I dislike this post from Koshi. He points out problems with LS and Shape but doesn't conclude nothing from it. Then he proceeds to vote... Ta-da! Fecalfeast. This post is a good example of red framing, he makes it look like koshi did something wrong here with his assesment of ls and shape, when he in fact did not, he concluded they looked scummy, but could be town for thier entrances, then said that ff might be town for his post, but was the most likely scum of the three. Also gb has never mentioned ff once till now, can we assume he town reads ff for this? Why hasent he mentioned this read yet (I looked)? This lunch is obviously not hitting mafia Judging by this post and the last, gb clearly did not think ff was mafia, so why did he do so little to save him? Finally, theres the fact of how his sl read disapearing act has finished completley by the end of night 1 Mafia could pretty much pile up on SL's counter wagon. This post seems to indicate even that he thinks sl is town, why? Whats changed? This is the last we heard since this sudden flip I know the case on SL isn't the strongest. Although I think his attitude was suspicious, I only wanted to keep developing discussion. I also like to push a target in a way everything is explained in details, whatever slignment he is, because I think mafia has a hard time covering all aspects of their stories. Regardless if a post is NAI or AI, a hard push will almost always reveal inconsistencies if the player's intention is made up When did his attitude become not at least suspicious Gb? Why no push at night? What really ticked me off about gb was this though. 17 Actually it was nothing, I was just checking if you were looking at the thread but not doing nothing to fight your lynch. Thank you for your attention. This is such bullshit. If I dont respond, I die anyways, but if I do, seemingly thats more damning? Gb isnt using this to convince himself of my alignment, hes reading into the doubt in thread and using this as a means to ease it no matter how I respond. There is no correct answer to what gb did, therefore it is null, but he treats it as if THIS is somehow what makes me scum If I don't respond, he says see? He doesnt care, if I do he says see? Hes lurking. This is not a tactic to nail scum, this is showmanship designed to ease towns into a mislynch. And I want you to know gb no matter what alignment you are, I would have probably not bothered to post at all (pretty tired of maf after normal ) if you had not shown your hand with such a base/shitty tactic. Just want you to know that. When I flip green, this is the fuck you lynch. Why? 1: For attacking sl for contrived reasons, then dropping his read at the drop of a hat. 2: For all his scum reads coming down to framing certain actions as scummy, when they are in fact null at most times at best. 3: For agreeing with tic when in actuality they agreed basically only on ls pouncing (though had hugely differing opinions on what that meant) just so he could contort thier views to match. 4: For suddenly treating sl as town come night? Really gotta drive home how wierd his silence on sl is. 5: For seemingly knowing ffs alignment despite never talking about it or really pushing against his lynch besides the bare min for I told you so rights. 6: for pushing dam into town reading him. Nevermind damdy. I think you're town so it is no use to argue on something that won't lead anywhere. Do you think I'm town? I wanna bounce some thoughts with you if you're willing to trust me. What are your reads atm? I really have a feeling that we have mafia between koshi/gumshoe/LS. 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On April 25 2016 04:56 DoYouHas wrote: I get the reasons why gum is a good lynch, I agree with them, but I would rather lynch Koshi. + Show Spoiler [GB's case] + On April 24 2016 06:10 GlowingBear wrote: Well, you can't really tell someone is town by his way of posting when you're playing a post-restricted game. You're basically said he looks town by game events and that makes him mafia (so, meta-read). But you've just posted this: So what is the real reason you're voting Shape? Is that because he looks underwhelming or because of that bad meta? Also, you said you're also voting Shape because people are pretty townie to you. So how am I "meh"? Why are you not willing to vote me? Isn't "meh" basically "underwhelming"? Which means there are more underwhelming people in the game by your own standards. So why going against Shapelog, who actually posted a lot Day1? By normal standards, I am kinda underwhelming this game based on my inactivity (and I'm inactive because I've been busy), DYH is also underwhelming. Why are you not talking about them? Why didn't you lynch SL who was pretty much underwhelming day1? Why did you pressured people asking them "why aren't you voting SL"? Also, are you sure you find people townie? : So if gumshoe is looking bad... how are you townreading everyone? Why aren't you pressuring/voting gumshoe WHO IS LOOKING BAD instead of simply voting Shapelog who has been UNDERWHELMING? See, Koshi, your thought process isn't clear. It looks like you throw thoughts out of the blue without any kind of consistency. You're following your own agenda. That's why I think you're mafia. + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2016 07:28 DoYouHas wrote: Koshi - I want to say Koshi's active and aggressive style is town. But he jumped up and down on me for valid points against Shape. He jumped up and down on HtS for the null read of FF while ignoring things I thought pointed to her being town. I don't think we get into the EoD we had without at least 1 scum in the movers and shakers. (Koshi, HtS, Damd, and maybe TT) Koshi pushed the lynch of 2 town for sure and probably 3. He is attacking town, leading lynches on town and after being proven wrong on FF he still wants to off HtS instead of stepping back and reassessing. Thinking he could be scum. Koshi led the wagon off of SL, attacks town all of day 1, and is very inconsistent day 2. He is pushing a scum agenda. ##Vote: Koshi Absolutely not, Koshi is a similar player to rayn in some ways, checked his games, he can be very aggressive. He def doesn't deserve to be lynched today and I was just as guilty for leading the lynch off sl as he was. You are not lynching someone who actually wants and is playing the game(and is probs town) before me. Also scum are not inconsistent here, they are decisive, this lynch is working out for them currently. | ||
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On April 25 2016 04:59 Tictock wrote: This is also in response to Tumbles last post as well. Its kinda odd, but tbh I think its even stranger behavior for town. I see he just posted a WoT with some reads ( I only have a ten min break so will only be able to read part of it before it's over) but he waited to ~2 hrs before the deadline to put in effort. I just don't buy town feeling like they are in as bad a spot as gumshoe is saying he is in. Like there was a game I played where I was the gunsmith, Onegu (as scum) faked a redcheck on me and I derped and said something about being a miller then claimed my role. Everyone thought. I was so full of shit Damdred even fake CC'd my claim as VT and made it so that everytime I posted everyone was just like " why are you even trying scum?" Even in that situation I kept posting and sharing my thoughts and reads because I knew that eventually I would flip town and those might be useful. I don't see that from gum here, just a lot of " woe is me" type posts and then w/e he has in that WoT. I'm only going to be around breifly before EoD to reevaluate and look at what happens in the next few hours, but I feel like we kinda have to lynch gum at this point because he never took the oppitunity to do anything till now and we really shouldn't let another EoD like D1 happen, especially in the case that gum is scum and is hoping to play on sympathy and the odd feeling of a slow day. Never just say this is townie or this scummy. We have an archive for a reason, I have behaved exactly this way as town and scum before. Don't lynch me for how you interpret my behaviour, you've never played with me and you haven't bothered to learn my wierd meta. Lynch me for my actions, which are terrible, so yeah probs just lynch me cause you don't want the doubt that I tricked you lingering, and unless you kill gb or fedie, this is probs a mislynch so it's better if I does : P Coming out with a caseon fedie soon. | ||
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On April 25 2016 05:06 DoYouHas wrote: You just listed two people I think are town. Aggression is not exclusively a townie trait and it doesn't make Koshi town. I regard Koshis play as generally townie for several reasons, sl was a crap shoot, gb was killed pretty much in the exact circumstances sl was in the other game, he flipped town. There's no way to really read players like that, so while it's tempting to say, he did this therefore he's scum, the situation does not warrant it. Koshi is also town because of his interactions with hts day 1. I don't think scum Koshi would have picked a fight with the most formidable player then backed off like he did, Also gb is pushing Koshi hard enough that via that read methinks Koshi must be town. Koshi is null at worst, you can in no way justify killing me before him. Also, it's to be expected that you town read scum, scum are tricksy, they are far more capable of waving the waters of suspicion as they have all the answers. The people you dont suspect after day1 usually have at least one red among them / : we may both be right, we may both be wrong, bottom line is, these are the people I'm willing to lynch, otherwise better I just die than watch a townier player than me go down. | ||
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On April 25 2016 05:24 Fidei86 wrote: There are lots of other points against me - #1 is I have no f'ing idea who I want to vote this evening. Activity could be a thing - I have tons of OGI excuses, but I know those don't carry any weight. Does it seem likely that scum gumshoe calls the wagon on Koshi dumpster, when that's the only other one going? I would if koshi was my scum mate. Though I'ds probs ask him to buss me harder than he is. also can you not start doubting the wagon on me? It makes writing a scum case on you kinda hard T_T | ||
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On April 25 2016 05:29 DoYouHas wrote: Any reasoning we can have around gum is WIFOMed all to hell. As soon as anyone asks to be lynched they are playing against their win condition. All that is left is whether or not town will do it more often than scum. My win condition is for all of scum to die before all of town. There's no rule that states that not getting lynched is my part of my win con, my death may very well benefit town and we still have 2 mislynches even if I die. | ||
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On April 25 2016 05:42 Koshi wrote: gumshoe why are you not voting GB after taht entire post you made on him. Looks odd. dramatic effect : P ##unvote | ||
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On April 25 2016 05:45 GlowingBear wrote: ROFL KOSHI why do you not vote people you think is Mafia? You are refusing to vote gumshoe eternally, yet you've just said he looks bad. There was only ONE thing that made you think he was town, but someone pointed out it didn't make the guy town and you agreed it's flimsy Your play makes no sense in this game, you are a liability to town even if you're town i dont know man, you completely let sl go, after bieng the first person to push him, in favour of coming after me and ls / : for pretty terrible reasons I also find it funny how you've never correctly guessed my alignment, yet here you are as certain as ever im scum XD admittedly I did no favours to my credibility, but yeah, you of all people being the one with no doubts as to what I am here does not bode favourably. Makes me wonder who the liability really is if they're town / : (its probs me) | ||
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On April 25 2016 05:52 GlowingBear wrote: 21 As you can see, I'm not voting you. I'm voting Koshi. I've always said I'm uncertain of your alignment and I said my vote on you was basically reaction. I prefer to vote Koshi before you. I may prefer to vote HTS before you. But if I or other person is about to be lynched, I'll hammer you. Actually, I won't be here in 1 hour from now because I'll be working. So... Yeah. umm you sure about that? Is this a joke? If it is a joke, you're wasting posts, something you called Damdred out for. Now if you're trying to develop discussion, you're just throwing suspicons everywhere, which isn't really great to be honest. One thing is to find something weak and suspicious and push it mostly for the sake of discussion. Other thing is to put suspicions everywhere, which is really easy to do as mafia. I don't like you in this game, gumshoe :/ Damdred DYH Tumblewood gumshoe LightningStrike (me in red with ls) I really have a feeling that we have mafia between koshi/gumshoe/LS. Do you have any reason to disagree? You're not going with the flow, you're voting Shapelog when people are highly suspicious of gumshoe. Gumshoe are you there? I want to ask you a few questions. 17 Actually it was nothing, I was just checking if you were looking at the thread but not doing nothing to fight your lynch. Thank you for your attention. you scum reading me is one of the most consistent parts of your play 0_0 hell your attack on koshi for the past while has been based off him bieng unwilling to vote me, which suggests you think were scum together. Why would koshi not be ecstatic of about my mislynch if I was town? How can you claim one of us is scum and be unsure about the other when your association read between us features so prominently in your arguments? wtf is this erroneus back peddling XD | ||
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On April 25 2016 06:11 GlowingBear wrote: Dude, I've just said I was uncomfortable with your lynch. I've never said you're not Mafia, I've said I'm not sure you're Mafia and that there are other people I'd rather lynch like Koshi and HTS. My LS read flew away because I'm really bad at reading him and Damdred is good, and I'm trusting Damdred's read on him I can put you in thread with in 20 minutes of damdred wanting to kill sl (who was totally willing to kill him) m not sure everyone is still super spread out. I 100% think we need,to consolidate on a lynch make reasoning known and no shenanigans. I've said Why we should lynch sl. I suggest you vote him. you show up 20 min after that post to remark how terrible the lynch that damred (who you think is so great) switched over to. Even though you had never once posted about ff till then (except to remark how scummy koshi is) The window is small enough that we cannot rule out you bieng fully aware of the sl switch, and not going with it. Also reads dont just disapear, they linger, and theres no reason to keep townreading sl because dam said so, as damm was totes wrong about ff (a sin you condemned koshi for) also you dont get to post as much you have about me and base an ascociation read regarding koshi that requires me to be scum, without being sure im scum in the first place, which of course your not because im not scum : P | ||
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The lie is so blatant, and so contorted to explain his actions, that given the current total lack of an excuse for it (which he should be making any second now) it would be pretty derp to lynch him for it. He basically scum slipped XD | ||
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On April 25 2016 06:33 LightningStrike wrote: Hmm interesting point you made gum but meh kinda want to lynch into him and DYH but I think it's DYH out of the 2 of them. But idk how many people are willing to lynch him over GB. I mean, he just lied mang / : or at least he accidentally fudged the truth in an extreme/highly coincidental manner that just so happens to exonerate him for his scummy actions. We all talk eachothers ears off about scum slips, and whats correct or wrong or right or townie. But you cannot reasonably ask for more than what just happened / : | ||
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On April 25 2016 06:41 GlowingBear wrote: LS if you mislynch me one more time I will never play with you again. Gumshoe, I think you might be Mafia and I felt uneasy about your alignment after considering how your lunch was unfolding. I don't understand why you think I'm lying. You don't understand why I think your lying 0-0 in mafia? | ||
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On April 25 2016 06:38 GlowingBear wrote: Stop misrepresenting me. I've never made a single association in my case. I've said Koshi's thought process is nebulous regardless of your alignment. Your attempt to discredit me is pissing me off and I'm starting to get tempted to lynch you instead of anyone else what do you mean tempted to lynch me, this is the lynchXD I'm lynching the person I think is most likely to be scum, I expect you to do the same : P also im not making up anything So if gumshoe is looking bad... how are you townreading everyone? Why aren't you pressuring/voting gumshoe WHO IS LOOKING BAD instead of simply voting Shapelog who has been UNDERWHELMING? You're not going with the flow, you're voting Shapelog when people are highly suspicious of gumshoe. You can explain yourself or let me waste my last 28+5 po sts screaming LYNCH KOSHI until I get you lynched. I still don't trust Koshi. But his explanation to me wasn't that bad. Still, I'd rather prefer his lunch than gunshoe's. I voted more to catch reactions, especially if he was Mafia - I was expecting that Mafia would jump on me for voting gumshoe out of the blue, but it didn't happen. It makes me very uneasy. ROFL KOSHI why do you not vote people you think is Mafia? You are refusing to vote gumshoe eternally, yet you've just said he looks bad. There was only ONE thing that made you think he was town, but someone pointed out it didn't make the guy town and you agreed it's flimsy Your play makes no sense in this game, you are a liability to town even if you're town your accusing koshi repeatedly based off his reluctance to vote me, one of your central scum reads all game (please deny it some more) Gotta own up to your shitty association reads brah. | ||
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On April 25 2016 06:46 Fidei86 wrote: There are so many inactives at the f'ing deadline. It's confusing to me. I've said before, it makes no sense to me for Koshi and Gumshoe to both come into the thread as the two leading wagons, and then both agree that the other is town and go after someone else. Unless they are both mafia? Am I crazy for this? nope : P if were scum were scum together,which is gbs paticular argument atm which is why my lynch wouldnt suck that much as it would prove koshis town. You are very sane : D theres no real wrong decicion here as long as the lynch stays between me and gb, so just vote whatever your heart demands : D now if I die and you dont lynch gb tomorrow, thats when you get to feel bad. | ||
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On April 25 2016 06:53 GlowingBear wrote: OH MY GOD GUMSHOE A GUY SAY HE IS SUSPICIOUS OF X BUT VOTES Y BECAUSE Y IS "MEH" IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAY X OR Y ALIGNMENTS ARE. THE THOUGHT PROCESS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. you repeatedly say it wierd that koshi doesnt want to lynch me, your scum read. Thats kind of an association read brah. That or your brain is that of a pug and cant actually recognize whats coming out of its fingers XD (sorry for the means, pugs are super cute) | ||
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On April 25 2016 06:53 Fidei86 wrote: HTS having a seizure. Koshi and gumshoe were the two leading wagons, came into the thread and refused to vote each other. If that isn't associative, I don't know what is. I will be honest here, I would never let koshi protect me as scum here and while I joke that is the honest truth. | ||
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On April 25 2016 06:41 GlowingBear wrote: LS if you mislynch me one more time I will never play with you again. Gumshoe, I think you might be Mafia and I felt uneasy about your alignment after considering how your lunch was unfolding. I don't understand why you think I'm lying. note Ls, this line comes right after you recalled the game you mislynched him / : pretty sure he just saw a weakness and chose to exploit it, as opposed to genuinely coming up with this himself. | ||
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On April 25 2016 07:03 LightningStrike wrote: No that was before I mentioned the games I had mislynched him in. post 638 page 32 XD then he makes the post i mentioned on 639 a min later wouldnt make that kind of thing up : P | ||
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On April 25 2016 07:10 LightningStrike wrote: Plus he's screaming harder than I think I can remember him doing as scum unless he did in Games of Throne(will recheck his filter in a minute). The circumstances are relevant, he just went from zero pressure to the leading wagon in like 3 hours. To come to this from his cocky " you there gumshoe? Lol just checking scrub" post to this is a huge shift. I totally buy him bieng mad about that as scum / : | ||
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On April 25 2016 07:23 Koshi wrote: ##unvote GB ##vote DYH Well I don't know. Would GB and SL have those interactions? Pfff GB is yelling a lot. I just don't know........................................ Also where is gumshoe lol? I'm here XD there are children over that need distractions, but I'm here, I'm not at all crazy about the dyh lynch, I haven't gotten the chance to read him that much, but I guess it beats dying? He's not in my town bundle which is below Koshi Hts Shape Tumble Tick Ls So I guess I don't hate his lynch but it's not ideal in terms of information / : | ||
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On April 25 2016 07:46 Fidei86 wrote: Okay so the town circle is:by LightningStrike, Fidei86, Koshi, Shapelog, Tumble LS never mafia here. Started lynch on DYH out of nowhere. I'm obviously not mafia here, for being second onto it. Koshi hammered. Not mafia. Shape not mafia for piling on, and also for the voting on D1. Tumble for the claim. So that means its between GB, HTS, TT, gumshoe. I think we got this boyz. Hts and tt are like 90 percent town, its def prudent to go through me and gb before any of them / : | ||
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On April 25 2016 07:51 Fidei86 wrote: Dude, and I say this as someone who cares, but STFU. Stop with the martyr thing. It is making this game needlessly hard. NEVER, I MAY NOT BE ABLE TO HOLD ALL THESE CROSSES BUT THEY ARE MINE, MIIIIIIIIIINE. that said, the not so subtle context here is that if I was scum I'd be conceding right now XD so this does actually have a point : P besides me lamenting how I am consistently managing to look terrible throughout these phases. | ||
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gB is solidly in the town column for me after his case on Koshi. I just think you are wrong on GB, though I'm giving your and gum's points a harder look to see if I can justify my read against them. before I attacked gb all dyh had was this TW, GB, TT havent gotten to yet Now, why would he stick his neck out to save someone who there was no momentum on at the time (right after I made my case) and up till this pointhe conveniently hadn't read anything about but just so happens to have the same agenda as him(kill koshi)? also this post refrencing the ff lynch is eriely similar to that gb post I put up earlier There is something wrong here, either in my reads or in this wagon. Top scum is voting with top town on someone I considered nullish. gb for refrence This lunch is obviously not hitting mafia heres dyh's view on me for funsies Gumshoe is overplaying the jokes with Koshi and Damdred. Gum asked Damd to give him a reason to think HTS was more likely to be scum for real. Then, after his question is blown off with another joke, goes back to a joking tone and vote. It is the shift from a pressuring tone back to a joking tone for no reason that caught my eye. dyh has no reason to throw suspicuon onto me here for a bus, its not like I was that inactive (ala sl) or that BAD (ala onegu) heres gbs view on dyh for further funsies. Basically, from what I've read, I'm at this point: Damdred DYH Tumblewood gumshoe LightningStrike (top is green bot is red) DYH townread was because of that post that felt genuine. But it is a weak townread, I must say. After that, there was nothing memorable from him. HTS, since you're basing your reads mostly on VCA, why do you think there is mafia between me and DYH? Especially DYH who decided to vote Shapelog 15 minutes before EOD. He either knew a teammate would hammer FF or he simply is town. Because, if he is mafia, he is not saving his partner and he is not bussing for cred. For what reason he decided to vote someone else, then? Where is the Mafia motivation? You could say "to be town read like you're doing right now", and I would say it is possible. But is it most likely? I don't think so yeah..... heres all I could find on sl from dyh SL - I'm putting off making a decision on him. I don't have strong feelings either way and he promised more activity today. seems to bolster his agenda of keeping mates at arms length until he has to get involved / : nothing on dyh from sl that I could find. Seems like sl had a policy of reciprocity, gb attacked him a little so he attacked him back a little, dyh ignored him so he ignored him back. methinks this be gg / : | ||
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On April 23 2016 07:31 DoYouHas wrote: Huzzah! In retrospect, this is the saddest huzzah I ever did saw ) : | ||
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On April 25 2016 10:32 GlowingBear wrote: ROFL I was mad that people wagoned DYH but then he flipped godfather ROFL I'm so glad! Scum is getting rekt! Well, if there is a town detective, just check me if you guys think I'm Mafia. I don't know mang, vig plus dt would be pretty op XD also if your somehow actually town, you could be da miller D : | ||
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On April 25 2016 11:06 GlowingBear wrote: -.- You reeeeally tbink there is no other blue role with a GF flipped? Vigis aren't that powerful. They are double edged. I bet there is another blue role + why would I do that as Mafia, gum? If there is really a detective, I'm signing my death sentence Jesus... Because if there is a dt your dead already XD so may as well stare it in the face. Also I'm not saying there isn't another blue, just that dt vig can be a bit broken as far as combos go. Vig doc or vet makes more sense, and I'm sure you know that : P | ||
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On April 25 2016 11:19 LightningStrike wrote: Tbh it wouldn't surprise me because there is a chance of a framer or roleblocker for last role for scum but I think it more likely roleblocker so ya Cop Vig would be fine balance wise with the gf and roleblocker as the scum power roles. True, but I know at least in the other game bieng played ATM gf is just a vanity item but yeah we should probs stop the blue talk / : | ||
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On April 25 2016 11:28 LightningStrike wrote: BTW I was checking Sicklucker and DYH's filters and I think that GB is likely town because idk why the whole scum team decided to bus themselves on GB lol. Koshi is cleared due VCA and his posting been townie I think.Shapelog is cleared due to how DYH was pushing him till Day 2 and his voting on SL into FF. Gum you just a confirmed bias atm but I think it's town on town in you vs GB. So mafia would be in HTS, James, and TT. But I townreading HTS mainly because she actually was pushing the game forward although she was wrong on my alignment till later but also Sicklucker wanted to lynch HTS with me for poor reasons EoD 1 before he swap to Koshi. James been trying to help get together EoD to settle on consolidaion and decided to help me form the wagon DYH which idk why mafia James would decided EoD to bus his teammate. So by PoE it would TT for me which would mean he would of rolled scum 3 times in a row vs me which would suck hard for him. I don't know man, dudes agenda lines up perfectly with dyh's, and gb lied twice ( about associating Koshi and me and about sheeping Damdred ) and they both remarked on how bad a lynch ff was at like the same time and gbs been town reading dyh all game / : Seems like a lot to just be bad luck townie But then again this is coming from me XD so who knows. I still probes wouldn't lynch anyone before gb, just too much on the guy from mah view. And that fucking " hey gumshoe you there? Lol just kidding bro" post, this is all happening right now because of that one fucking post. Ima kill him for it, it's gotta happen, there must be precedent. | ||
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On April 20 2016 18:22 Tictock wrote: I guess I should have expected a slow start in a post restrictive game. This feels kinda nitpicky and more a narrative you are projecting on what Gum did than what actually happened LS is a bit interesting, he's half joking but a bit too serious for the start of the game imo. He goes into defensive mode here pretty quick, and his stance on Gum does a 180 here. (He said his vote was weird before, but here he says scum!Gum prob wouldn't vote anyone this early) Though tbf Gum did make a WoT post between then, still kinda a sudden flop. LS also way overuses that pic of the guy smoking a blunt in tinfoil, which I only mention kus it kinda bugs me... even if it's a good tinfoil pic. Koshi and SL are both underwhelming to me atm, but meh. Shape has me slightly worried due to the way he's setting up a posting style for himself. Prob not a good way to explain it. I like Gum for the amount of content he's putting out and for having similar thoughts to my own. That's about all I got for the moment. Well at least all I feel like sharing atm. Even though he kinda doubled back on it later, this post makes me think tick is townie. Seems wierd to use a well argued/ordered post to go after your scum mate and his agenda like this. | ||
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On April 25 2016 12:04 GlowingBear wrote: Dude. I'll just vote you tomorrow because everything you say is convoluted. I can't bear reading your posts. I've never lied a single time. If you still can't understand that the read I had on Koshi wasn't associative, there's nothing I can do. Scums counter to saying they lied "bro, I didn't lie" Blood must have blood gb. Blood must have blood | ||
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Is false, as though gb and dyh were both pushing Koshi. They were voting for me. Also dyh town reading gb just as he came into actual danger (and not saying literally anything about him in the 120 hours preceding that moment) is pretty damning. Fedie is unlikely scum given his role in the lynch So it's tt or gb given what we know ( supplemented by other basic reads)and gb is the clear scummer between them. Also for people claiming gb plays this way as town, you don't have to tell me that, I've trd twice when everyone else wanted his head (and yes I was right to do so) but this time is pretty different. Lynch with fire plox. | ||
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On April 26 2016 08:31 Koshi wrote: I cannot believe how pissed off I would be in TT his shoes. The guy makes a sick long case that involves 1) connecting Fidei to SL 2) shows an unnatural progression of Fidei his read on DYH 3) shows how even though Fidei is sitting on DYH, he is begging town to consolidate on gumshoe/koshi/GB so he can move his vote asap. 4) points out some other very suspicious posts like how he says HTS is not mafia with LS but offers 0 reasoning why. Basically showing how Fidei is not solving the game. And if I wanted I could add another 5 posts that Fidei made that were really bad and showed he was not reading the thread or solving the game. On top of that the Damdred kill HIGHLY points towards Fidei because Fidei was generally townread by everybody during D1 except Damdred who kept pushing him for mafia. And with Fidei being the last mafia it is pretty logical for them to go after Damdred to protect Fidei. It's a bad case Koshi. 1) he does not connect sl to fedie, he makes a tinfoil post on how fedie subtlety implied that we should give lurkers a break. That's not scummy as it applied just as much to people who were town (according to you gb and I are town, we were both fairly inactive along with sl) tt admitted hîmself it was tinfoil"" also it's not like sl was a role locker or anything, outside of powers there's no reason to save a scum mate who won't save himself, you just go down with him. 2)up till 2 hours before the lynch, I was a lock, the situation evolved rapidly and dyh came off as very scummy through it all(his whatever I'm not gonna defend you, I just want to lynch Koshi post was particularly bad) fedie may very well have read into dyh's behaviour in those closing moments and didn't have time to properly explain himself. His vote on dyh in such a volatile sitatuiom is super duper townie and no amount of tinfoil and self importance should change that Koshi. 3) begging town to consolidate has nôthing to do with saving dyh, it has to do with that awful day 1 were we wound up lynching town with a nightmare spread. 4) solving the game is something lots of townies don't bother to do. Yesterday I was basically not playing' today everyone basically knows I'm town. That aside I think this comment is unfair, fedie has been trying' I don't know how you can say otherwise / : 5) I made this post purely because your bieng a dick Koshi, insults don't make your opinions strong, a wall of text does not inherently deserve reverence (trust me on that point) what makes a case strong is how well it survives discourse and counter points. You've definitely drawn my attention Koshi with your rage and disrespect, but you've made your case harder to make in doing so" Lastly, though my push vs gb looks like a shouting match, that has more to do with my flaws as a player then the actual solidity of the case. To Which so far the only counter point I've seen is "is does this look like scum on scum?" If it made you doubt them as a team and didn't result in any real consequences, then that is exactly what scum on scum looks like. Also I caught gb lying to make himself look better twice -_- and I have a strong aptitude for reading into gb in general. Tts case is in no way stronger then mine / : | ||
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On April 27 2016 00:49 GlowingBear wrote: HtS: 1) I'm voting gumshoe because I can't play with someone that misrepresents me so intensively. Those mistepresentations reeks Mafia to me, and if he is town at least I can play the game without being pissed off 2) Those are the people that are probably Mafia based on VCA solely. I don't base reads solely on VCA. I'm townreading TT for the content of his posts. He looks contributive. 3) gumshoe voted DYH when he was already hammered. Once your partner was hammered, staying outside the wagon is suspicious, so I can see Mafia joining the wagon after the hammer. 1) you don't get to vote people just because they piss you off, remember when you were certain I was mafia in vanilla and I had to swear on my life to get you to back off? Isn't it kinda super fucking hypocritical of you to straight up lynch someone just because you can't see their side of things and don't want to bother understanding them? Your never gonna actually be good at this game if you cantlearn to look at things without overwhelming bias. 2) is this the first actual read you've offered in like days XD 3) yeah I acknowledged how terrible I look purely based off the votes so far. To be honest, though I joke, that actually makes me super fucking townie as if I was scum I could have easily not extended myself like that. You can't dodge traps your not aware of gb / : | ||
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Then you accosted Koshi for not voting me even though I was the clear wagon, implying you thought we were scum together, denied it, got proven wrong and yet continued to deny it saying I was twisting your words -_- Your inability to see the validity of these points leads me to bilieve that you simply cannot do so, as that would effectively be a confession XD I have nothing against you gb, but I don't think I'm wrong here. | ||
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On April 27 2016 02:19 Fidei86 wrote: TT do you see any way that it is HTS or gumshoe? I literally cannot understand why you and HTS continue to hard TR each other despite both of you being implicated by the EOD2 VCA. Maybe Artanis included Masons and didn't put it in the opening post?? Hts is pretty try's are omega townie, could be scum but should def be a last resort lynch. I'm more likely then her, but I really wouldn't have fallen into as many shitty spots on the vote as I have as scum XD It's pretty clearly gb here guys / : | ||
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On April 27 2016 02:22 Fidei86 wrote: Everyone has this theory that I bussed DYH for the town cred despite the fact I wasn't being pushed at all on D2 and was not in any of the three wagons that were leading up until the end. ... Lol. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. I am heading home soon and I will post my thoughts on HTS / GB / Gumshoe / TT this evening. I agree, people pushing you are le derp | ||
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On April 27 2016 02:39 GlowingBear wrote: I can't really get along with you in this game in particular because I was saying I wasn't lying and I explained it twice and you keep saying I was lying. It is convoluted and I can't deal with it unless you're Mafia trying to force this read on me, in which case I can't be mad. But if you're town doing this, it kinda pisses me off because it is genuine suspicions that I can't argue because I've already explained those stuff. Re: (2), no, I am changing my reads from time to time, and I was the main one pushing Koshi because I genuinely thought his thought process didn't make sense from a town perspective. I was wrong, it seems I also cant be mad at you for being scum and simply deflecting my points XD thats exactly what I expect you to do. But yeah, I wont accept "im pushing him cause hes a pain" as a viable answer given our history. You have no right to vote me purely out of annoyance, that should not even factor into any of your reads, let alone your read of me considering how many times I've had to town read you while you pushed me for asinine reasons. If you vote me, you do it because you think im scum and you make a case accordingly that goes beyond "hes twisting my words" and I expect you to do this as ether town or scum. also the concern was not your read of koshi, thats whateves, maybe you were wrong, the problem is you scum read koshi for not voting me. So if gumshoe is looking bad... how are you townreading everyone? Why aren't you pressuring/voting gumshoe WHO IS LOOKING BAD instead of simply voting Shapelog who has been UNDERWHELMING? you point this out as scummy, but you dont get to just do that gb, inconsistency must match agenda to prove scum. The agenda here was clearly that koshi was avoiding voting me cause i was his scum mate. Which we know now to be bullshit, but was clearly what you were getting at the time. then suddenly when I attacked you, you doubled the fuck back. Dude, I've just said I was uncomfortable with your lynch. I've never said you're not Mafia, I've said I'm not sure you're Mafia and that there are other people I'd rather lynch like Koshi and HTS. this uncertainty completley clashes with what you were getting at in terms of your prior reasons for pushing koshi on day 2 (ie he was reluctant to vote me) I'm not misrepresenting you gb, your the one going back and editing your own actions / : if your town your memory and reading comprehension is painfully lacking, but lucky for both us thats not the case methunks : P | ||
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On April 27 2016 02:45 GlowingBear wrote: Where did I ever say the bolded? I've never implied you were scum together, you don't understand what I meant. It didn't matter your alignment for me to get my read. He not voting you doesn't mean you're scum together, it just showed me that his thought process didn't make sense from a town perspective. I can't explain this one more time without having the urge to kill myself. And everything I say about not being able to play with you, I'm talking about this game in particular. It has nothing to do with you personally. I like you. scum only make themselves look inconsistent when they have an agenda gb -_- that and the fact that you were voting me as well CLEARLY fucking shows you were implying we were scum together. Also this You see, I have this pool of possible scum: HTS, Koshi and gumshoe as for where you said that stuff about damdred. day 1- I'm voting with Damdred because he is my strongest townread atm yesterdays explanation for sl read flying away My LS read flew away because I'm really bad at reading him and Damdred is good, and I'm trusting Damdred's read on him you posting within 20 min of damdred voting sl This lunch is obviously not hitting mafia (Ima get a bit sparkley with this one as im running out of versions) | ||
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On April 27 2016 03:06 Tictock wrote: I'm not sure how we are implicated by VCA... Sure it doesn't support either of us being town but that doesn't make us mafia. I also still think the last mafia was likely on the DYH wagon as I said because mafia is in a rough spot this game and prob felt the need to make a play to gain towncred. you sir should get in mah pen. I caught gb lying about 1) sheeping damdred 2) asociating me and koshi also dyh defended the dude completley out of the blue is pretty big, interesting to note, dyh's only stake in yesterdays lynch was seeing gb not die, he didnt care who between koshi and me went down. Gb is the only reason he got involved. I don't agree with you. But I like this response. ( to me on koshiI just think you are wrong on GB, though I'm giving your and gum's points a harder look to see if I can justify my read against them. @HtS - I agree that Shape's vote makes him less likely mafia. GB is solidly in the town column for me after his case on Koshi. You just listed two people I think are town. Aggression is not exclusively a townie trait and it doesn't make Koshi town. (me on gb and fedie)The dude didnt even have a read on gb before my case. TW, GB, TT havent gotten to yet whats more, from when I attacked gb, to when the lynch happened (2 hour time period)his post count doubled overall, something had him in a frenzy / : GB is the obvious cause peeps. | ||
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On April 27 2016 03:16 GlowingBear wrote: I said I would sheep Damdred because he was my main townread. Then I went to do stuff and voted someone I thought was Mafia (who, to be fair, I don't even remember who it was). As far as I remember Damdred wasn't voting anyone at that time and I went AFK for a lot of time because I was working. Also, LS =\= SL, read that post again. yeah i meant your sl read flew away (should probs answer that then ) I cant trust you on this afk point, as I have you in thread 20 min within damdred saying this. I've said Why we should lynch sl. I suggest you vote him. you clearly thought ff was a bad lynch, so why did sl, one of your early reads never come up for the vote you were uncertain about? obviusly whateves you say here I have to treat as a lie because you cant explain what youve done with an excuse, cause thats probally just a lie. you said you would sheep damdred you had a case on sl you were in thread 20 min of damdred calling for a sl lynch and you remarked how bad the eventual lynch was but voted ls instead(a read youve promptly discarded). super duper wierd brah / : | ||
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On April 27 2016 03:23 GlowingBear wrote: See, it's like you decided to call me Mafia and is searching every fucking reason to "reinforce" your argument. You twist facts to make them fit your scumread instead of impartially getting suspicious of me as information is dropped in thread. You even misread my post. That's how convoluted you are. Thats why I'm finding hard to believe you're town. bro, im not searching for anything, the above post is all fact XD also you said youd sheep damdred, were in thread (as far as we can know) didnt bother. I cant make that shit up. People accuse one another for weaker points than this mang, god your arguments against me in the past have been way way worse. I may be wrong, but having a read against you doesnt make me scum / : | ||
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On April 27 2016 03:18 GlowingBear wrote: You're taking a day1 post, going to a day2 post, then going back to a day1 post to say my reads are inconsistent. If you take them out of chronological order there is no way those posts show any consistency. Also that post of the lynch obviously not hitting Mafia was like 5 minutes before deadline. It was right when I could re-enter the thread. I had an argument with Damdred about that. the bolded is what we cant know. With you bieng in thread within 20 min, we have to assume you very well could have been in thread longer, excuses dont work here as they are just want to be lies / : also the day 2 post is an explantion for the day 1 post XD from an earlier conversation we had. Of course I can use it. | ||
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On April 27 2016 03:26 GlowingBear wrote: You're not even reconsidering me, as I'd expect from a townie. You're just rehashing your arguments no matter how much I debunk them. And to be fair, only a stupid tunneled town would do (and I know you aren't stupid based on vanilla Mafia game), or Mafia, who has to fabricate arguments and have a hard time faking a reevaluation. It's way easier to keep pushing what you think it is a solid argument, especially when thread sentiment is going that way. Your not debunking them XD your saying "well x but could be y" and my response is "yeah but common sense and understanding of the game and minimal application of brain power makes x far more likely than y" it's something townies do all the time, they assume that because there is a hole, the boat sinks, when in truth all theories and cases have holes that never get tried because theyre not threatening. The real skill is reconizing how debilitating those holes actually are (which in the case of my case they arent that bad at all) Arguments that do get picked apart a ton are the ones you should pay heed too btw, because for whatever reason, theyre threatening. Dyh tried to take apart my argument against you, he was scum, no matter what you say that is a point of validity / : and you not seeing that is likely a product of necessity rather than sense. | ||
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On April 27 2016 03:26 GlowingBear wrote: You're not even reconsidering me, as I'd expect from a townie. You're just rehashing your arguments no matter how much I debunk them. And to be fair, only a stupid tunneled town would do (and I know you aren't stupid based on vanilla Mafia game), or Mafia, who has to fabricate arguments and have a hard time faking a reevaluation. It's way easier to keep pushing what you think it is a solid argument, especially when thread sentiment is going that way. also if you know anything about me you know I get tunneled as fuck once I have a bigger picture in place XD sometimes im wrong sometimes im right, usually its a bit of both. Honestly if you knew or remembered anything about me youd know its indicative of my town play : P the bolded is kind of a lie. Thread sentiment is going in a million directions (fidei, tt, hts) your not as persecuted as you think XD | ||
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On April 27 2016 03:32 GlowingBear wrote: I've admitted the case on SL was much more to keep discussion ongoing instead of really pushing him. My stronger scumreads came later, and it's all in my filter. That's how I dropped it and I thought it should be clear to someone who read my filter with attention. It wasn't 20 minutes at all. And again, Damdred voted HTS so I'm not really sure what you're talking about. Also, Ive changed my read on LS at night and especially when Damdred flipped town. Again, you're taking a day2 post to misrepresent a day1 post. I've just showed you you interpreted me wrong and instead of reevaluating me after I debunk your win argument against me ("I've caught GB lying"), you keep pushing me with flimsy argument. You desperately need this mislynch, don't you? time stamps April 21 2016 15:28 PDT This lunch is obviously not hitting mafia time of damdred indicating switching his vote April 21 2016 15:07 PDT want to lynch ff now. Sadly or even hts. The way they are both acting is strange to say the least. SL is just a crap shoot tbh with bad reasons. 10 min before that I've said Why we should lynch sl. I suggest you vote him. time of damdred switching his vote April 21 2016 15:09 PDT 20 min seems about right. | ||
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On April 27 2016 03:36 GlowingBear wrote: Yet, in Vanila town, you've reevaluated me every time. You were the only one willing to see me coming from town perspective, and you did it right. Now you refuse to do that, no matter how informational my filter is. You are just here, pushing me forever and ever, refusing to see it. Just grinding arguments, no matter how poor they are, and throwing them against me. You're not trying to uncover my alignment, gum. You're desperately trying to set me up for the lynch. It's simply just extremely poor town play or just Mafia sole survivor trying to win this. yeah, cause you were town XD id didnt revaluate shit, i knew you were town all game and pushed it. I was certain gb, just as im certain now. regardless of wether its poor play, its how I play. Its how I enjoy playing mafia as town and its how I want to win, and I dont think your such a pro that you have any right to judge how I choose to play : P | ||
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[QUOTE]On April 27 2016 03:39 gumshoe wrote: [QUOTE]On April 27 2016 03:32 GlowingBear wrote: [QUOTE]On April 27 2016 03:23 gumshoe wrote: [QUOTE]On April 27 2016 03:16 GlowingBear wrote: [QUOTE]On April 27 2016 03:04 gumshoe wrote: [QUOTE]On April 27 2016 02:45 GlowingBear wrote: [QUOTE]On April 27 2016 02:21 gumshoe wrote: Also I'm not contorting your words in any way, you said you'd sheep Damdred, you didn't, you said this was because Damdred town read sl but he did not, and I was also to put you within 20 minutes of Damdred voting sl as well(you know, when you said up to tell us how shitty the ff wagon was just like dyh without having said anything about ff before hand also like dyh) Then you accosted Koshi for not voting me even though I was the clear wagon, implying you thought we were scum together, denied it, got proven wrong and yet continued to deny it saying I was twisting your words -_- Your inability to see the validity of these points leads me to bilieve that you simply cannot do so, as that would effectively be a confession XD I have nothing against you gb, but I don't think I'm wrong here.[/QUOTE] Where did I ever say the bolded? I've never implied you were scum together, you don't understand what I meant. It didn't matter your alignment for me to get my read. He not voting you doesn't mean you're scum together, it just showed me that his thought process didn't make sense from a town perspective. I can't explain this one more time without having the urge to kill myself. And everything I say about not being able to play with you, I'm talking about this game in particular. It has nothing to do with you personally. I like you.[/QUOTE] scum only make themselves look inconsistent when they have an agenda gb -_- that and the fact that you were voting me as well CLEARLY fucking shows you were implying we were scum together. Also this [quote]You see, I have this pool of possible scum: HTS, Koshi and gumshoe[/quote] as for where you said that stuff about damdred. day 1-[quote]I'm voting with Damdred because he is my strongest townread atm[/quote] yesterdays explanation for sl read flying away [quote]My LS read flew away because I'm really bad at reading him and Damdred is good, and I'm trusting Damdred's read on him[/quote] you posting within 20 min of damdred voting sl [quote] This lunch is obviously not hitting mafia[/quote] (Ima get a bit sparkley with this one as im running out of versions) [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YF5kO5_oHw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YF5kO5_oHw[/url][/QUOTE] I said I would sheep Damdred because he was my main townread. Then I went to do stuff and voted someone I thought was Mafia (who, to be fair, I don't even remember who it was). As far as I remember Damdred wasn't voting anyone at that time and I went AFK for a lot of time because I was working. Also, LS =\= SL, read that post again. [/QUOTE] yeah i meant your sl read flew away (should probs answer that then ) I cant trust you on this afk point, as I have you in thread 20 min within damdred saying this. [quote]I've said Why we should lynch sl. I suggest you vote him.[/quote] you clearly thought ff was a bad lynch, so why did sl, one of your early reads never come up for the vote you were uncertain about? obviusly whateves you say here I have to treat as a lie because you cant explain what youve done with an excuse, cause thats probally just a lie. you said you would sheep damdred you had a case on sl you were in thread 20 min of damdred calling for a sl lynch and you remarked how bad the eventual lynch was but voted ls instead(a read youve promptly discarded). super duper wierd brah / : [/QUOTE] I've admitted the case on SL was much more to keep discussion ongoing instead of really pushing him. My stronger scumreads came later, and it's all in my filter. That's how I dropped it and I thought it should be clear to someone who read my filter with attention. It wasn't 20 minutes at all. And again, Damdred voted HTS so I'm not really sure what you're talking about. Also, Ive changed my read on LS at night and especially when Damdred flipped town. Again, you're taking a day2 post to misrepresent a day1 post. I've just showed you you interpreted me wrong and instead of reevaluating me after I debunk your win argument against me ("I've caught GB lying"), you keep pushing me with flimsy argument. You desperately need this mislynch, don't you? [/QUOTE] time stamps April 21 2016 15:28 PDT [quote]This lunch is obviously not hitting mafia[/quote] time of damdred indicating switching his vote April 21 2016 15:07 PDT [quote] want to lynch ff now. Sadly or even hts. The way they are both acting is strange to say the least. SL is just a crap shoot tbh with bad reasons.[/quote] 10 min before that [quote]I've said Why we should lynch sl. I suggest you vote him.[/quote] time of damdred switching his vote [quote] April 21 2016 15:09 PDT [/quote] 20 min seems about right.[/QUOTE ROFL look at the time stamp where I've posted that the lynch was hitting town. LMFAO dude. I don't even [/QUOTE] bro, theres no way we can know that you arrived then. Literally none. Youll just lie XD point is you showed up just in time to mock the lynch without having to do anything for it, kinda like dyh, this is not a point in your favour brah XD [quote]There is something wrong here, either in my reads or in this wagon. Top scum is voting with top town on someone I considered nullish.[/quote] (dyh one min of your post practically saying the exact same thing) and you were there within 20 min, meaning you just as likely could have been there 30 min before and said nothing because what were you going to do, go down with your shitty scum mate? You were already voting a townie, what more could you do? | ||
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On April 27 2016 03:43 GlowingBear wrote: Dude, are you taking this personally? Because, again, I'm judging you play on THIS game. Relax. I don't consider me a pro, I'm far from that, but I still have an opinion on what I find stupid or not I take everything personally brah : P I just dont let it cloud my judgement (as I didnt in vanilla or normal) anything worth putting time into is something worth caring about, and bieng involved is fine so long as that doesnt mean bias. As for relaxing, they'll be time for that after your dead dude : P | ||
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ROFL look at the time stamp where I've posted that the lynch was hitting town. LMFAO dude. I don't even bro, theres no way we can know that you arrived then. Literally none. Youll just lie XD point is you showed up just in time to mock the lynch without having to do anything for it, kinda like dyh, this is not a point in your favour brah XD There is something wrong here, either in my reads or in this wagon. Top scum is voting with top town on someone I considered nullish. (dyh one min of your post practically saying the exact same thing)and you were there within 20 min, meaning you just as likely could have been there 30 min before and said nothing because what were you going to do, go down with your shitty scum mate? You were already voting a townie, what more could you do? | ||
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I've admitted the case on SL was much more to keep discussion ongoing instead of really pushing him. is a bad thing right? You understand that scum like to make faint cases against each other right?Clearly you do, as you attacked ls for a faint case early on. Wow, suddenly gumshoe is likely town. After you were suspicious of his vote. A quick shift from the original suspicion. I don't like it. mang, its like your hacking off fingers to replace to fix your nose / : | ||
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On April 27 2016 03:52 GlowingBear wrote: OF COURSE it could be a lie, but the point here is that you ARE ASSUMING it a lie without taking any step back because you are DESPERATELY trying to paint me as scum. You should start calling me Pinocchio, everything I say you assume it's a lie If you think every play fits an agenda, explain to me my Mafia motivation to post that 2 minutes before deadline. for the BOLDED- whatever dyhs motivation was XD dyh did it, so we know scum had a reason, maybe gloating, maybe cred, who knows. Point is we have proof of scum doing it. im assuming its a lie because its indentical to what dyh did. That in congunction with dyh's defense of you out of nowhere, and dyhs parroting of your koshi case and your push on koshi based off him not pushing me coupled with back peddling on your scum read of me plus your faint sl case and your agreeing with tic without acually reading what tic said all makes me think your scum. Theres quite a bit to it honestly / : oh and then theres your lack of trying to solve the game AT ALL night 2 Dude. I'll just vote you tomorrow because everything you say is convoluted. I can't bear reading your posts. I've never lied a single time. If you still can't understand that the read I had on Koshi wasn't associative, there's nothing I can do. -.- You reeeeally tbink there is no other blue role with a GF flipped? Vigis aren't that powerful. They are double edged. I bet there is another blue role + why would I do that as Mafia, gum? If there is really a detective, I'm signing my death sentence Jesus... ROFL I was mad that people wagoned DYH but then he flipped godfather ROFL I'm so glad! Scum is getting rekt! Well, if there is a town detective, just check me if you guys think I'm Mafia. So you believe both Mafia wasted their votes day1 HTS? (compare that to everyone elses bloody case work XD ) | ||
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On April 27 2016 03:57 GlowingBear wrote: It's exactly what you do every game when you're town ROFL Also, just to be clear, I was NEVER against lynching SL, I just knew the case was weak to grant a lynch on him for solely that I never make faint cases bro, I go all the fuck out XD when I make a case I do it cause I think there scum. when I voted damdred I thought he was scum, but his answer assuaged me, your lazy hole pocking does none of that for me now also there was a point where sl was very close to getting lynched, and you showed up conviniently right after that window. And regardless of what you say about sl, what the facts state is that you let him slip. No explanation now can fully fix actions that happened then / : hence my lack of me reconsideration during our current discourse. | ||
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if you had posted 3 or however more many hours after the lynch, then there would be no point here for me. But the fact that you showed up just in time to be useless and mock town(just like dyh did) opens up the possibility that you had been there a little while before, watching as town doomed themselves. given everything else I know about you (dyh asociation, the tic exchange, your push on koshi, your shitty night 2, your abandoning of your sl read, your omega town read of dyh) theres just seems to be a lot more suggesting this vote lurker possibility rather then the snarky happen stance you would have us believe / : | ||
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I dislike this post from Koshi. He points out problems with LS and Shape but doesn't conclude nothing from it. Then he proceeds to vote... Ta-da! Fecalfeast. this post happened half an hour before the lynch. April 21 2016 11:59 PDT at this point in time, sl was the leading wagon, and damdred was voting sl. while you continued to vote ls... so theres this half an hour gap between you bieng here while the sl wagon was active and not voting sl or sheeping damdred (two things you seemed to indicate youd be willing to do all cycle), and you showing up just in time to mock town (ala dyh) and you never mention that you had to go ethier / : you say you were here just one min before the deadline I was here merely one minute before deadline. How do you expect me to do stuff? but do you understand why I have trouble bilieving that XD thats a rhetorical question btw, I dont need anymore excuses. | ||
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On April 27 2016 04:20 GlowingBear wrote: You DO realise I made a legit case that I simply thought it was weak to grant a lynch? And you're saying that I, as scum, see my partber getting lynched and do nothing to change that scenario, but then when he isn't getting lynched I show up just to... Rant on the lynch. Yeah. So you think I should evaluate Koshi considering an agenda and that's how you evaluate tbings and how People with minimal understanding of the game evaluate things, but when you're evaluating me, you don't have to consider an agenda. I'm done talking to you, you are Mafia, period. If anyone has questions to me regarding any of those points discussed, feel free to ask. I'm voting no one else today. And if you want to lynch me, fine. Just lynch gumshoe tomorrow I dont have to prove why scum would do it because dyh did it XD There is something wrong here, either in my reads or in this wagon. Top scum is voting with top town on someone I considered nullish. April 21 2016 15:28 PDT time of your post April 21 2016 15:28 PDT This lunch is obviously not hitting mafia dont blame me for your scummy play mang / : also im not the one who was putting out the agenda, you thought me and koshi were scum, you thought koshi was bieng wierd not votting me, the world knows how to do basic addition gb XD Also you know I do this as town brah, did it to vivax in vanilla XD i was actually wrong there , but that had more to do with how well Bh was playing. I doubt we have a similar scam running here and even if we do we have the mislynches to weed it out. Point is you throwing up your hands and saying I have to be scum isnt what town does brah, townies have to deal with other townies coming after them all the time, its the game. Being frustrated doesn't give you the right to stop playing, especially when you know I play like this as town. good thing your not town this game : P Also your "lol your not this bad argument" doesnt work. Me and hts currently find you scummy, which means if your town one of us really is that bad. So your argument is broken by virtue of having more than one skilled player find you scummy / : | ||
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On April 27 2016 04:27 Half the Sky wrote: 8/40 Well hold on here. I'm reading 855/856/859. I don't understand part of your push on GB now. Am I derping or missing something here? Why are you making the assumption that GB would play scum exactly the same way that DYH would? DYH did the opposite - he said he was playing League or whatever and then he lurked but the whole 20m re: Damdred.... ....there's a lot of other issues with GB but....that one isn't definitive. I also don't like the self-meta in #844. And: I see GB explained why he dropped LS as a scumread, but why this assumption? I remember Damdred accusing GB of doing dick all as a solo voter, so I know GB isn't lying about that. This is nothing of the likes that DYH did. You knew he lurked because he posted after his lynch. Here it's just the opposite situation and GB's previous post was at 19xx or approx. 4 hours before. sorry can you boil this down? little bit confusing. my point is that gb said hed sheep damdred and was willing to vote sl. I can place him in thread at the time of the wagon on sl bieng active, yet he continues to vote ls. a minute before hand he shows up saying the lynch is bad just like dyh did, he claims he was gone for the lynch, but he was there half an hour before, and a minute before. Leaving him going out as a 30 min period that did not exist prior to his excuse. Therefore we have fair reason to bilieve he was here, and he had a chance to make good on his sheep and even fight the ff lynch (who he was convinced was town) but did not. Thats all im saying / : his counter is why would he gloat 1 min before, my answer is we dont have to find a reason (though can surely be created) because dyh did it, therefore there is a reason for it regardless of wether we know it. wheres the problem? | ||
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On April 27 2016 04:33 Half the Sky wrote: 10/40 WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?? What on earth are you talking about gumshoe???? Timestamps are showing a difference of 3h30 for me.....almost 2000 local time and then deadline is at 2330, he posts at 2328 wtf?!?!?!?!? How are you just getting half an hour???? April 21 2016 11:59 PDT time of gb post (half an hour April 21 2016 15:28 PDT time of next post(gloat post) time of lynch April 21 2016 15:25 PDT do you want screen shots? | ||
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sorry for the mistake gb ) : you still scum | ||
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Gb is scum I'm sure of that, but yeah I got a bit carried away and fucked up / : on top of thinking gb is scum, I want him to be scum and that is a poor mindset I admit and one I'll try to avoid going forward. I'll look at hts tic and fedie a filters again in case there's something world consuming in there, but I'm pretty confident about gb, but I'll admit could just be mah confirmation bias flaring. Also no one should ever be lynched for using the word brah, it's a lovely word. | ||
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On April 27 2016 05:40 Half the Sky wrote: 12/40 Still this whole exchange doesn't sit well with me. And your previous post, when I say self-meta I mean "I would do X as town/scum" etc. I also didn't like the point (post 866) where you mentioned GB throwing his arms and giving up is mafia, not necessarily. Giving up is NAI. As the point pertains to GB, he has also given up as town when he got mislynched in NSM 18. And he did it in bloody mylo and town lost because of it. It looks suspicious to me between this and the previous assumption it's like you are taking something and stretching it to sound scum indicative. And the fact that GB is voting the person he feels where the votes are literally everywhere else on gumshoe means he's not playing for survival, at least not at the moment. I want people who are familiar with GB's meta to comment on this response to me. I have my thoughts on it, I know Koshi has said that GB is capable of shitty play (or however he worded it), but I want other opinions. I need to AFK again. This whole exchange that doesn't sit well with you is based around a mistake, something both factions make hts. Also my comment on him giving up was specifically in reference to his view of my alignment. He has given up on seeing me as town, when in the game we last played, I was forced to do the opposite to have a chance at winning and I feel it's hypocritical of him to act as such. Hypocritical enough that I feel it's due to a forced incositincy. I agree giving up in General is nai, but concluding that someone has to be scum because they are pushing you. You see the merits in my arguments, but gb considers them of such little worth I must be scum, otherwise I wouldn't be making them. That's what seems forced to me. | ||
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Too sumirise one last time these are the major points vs gb. 1) agreed with tic when they were saying different things in a manner that points to the enforcement of a mislynch. 2) Dyh's risky defense of him 3) his convenient appearance right at the end of day 1. 4) His claim that me pushing him makes me mafia, which town gb would know is certainly not the case(hes well aware of me being derp tunneled as town). 5) His push on koshi in reference to me, his other scum read (claiming koshi was wierd for not voting me) and doubling back on this by saying he never associative read us. 6) his faint sl push. 7) hes a brah 8) his very weak night 2, consistent with scum on the verge of giving up after losing both mates 9) his omega town read of dyh. 10) sls faint attack vs him I've cut all the frivolous stuff about lying, and meta(mostly) these are the key points of why I am voting gb and am unlikely to change my vote. I have read the case on fedie, and though his wafflin is notable this post. WELL THIS FILLS ME WITH FUCKING CONFIDENCE just before the flip, feels genuine. Makes me think he didnt actually know what dyh was / : as opposed to trying to get people to jump off at the last second, i would use time stamps to prove this but I think ive lost my badge on that account / : tic tock is also pretty townie to me but most seem to agree on that account so yeah, no need to dig there. Hts as well. Clearly whatever more I say will fall on deaf ears as this town simply does not trust me to find scum or even simply not be scum. That distrust is perhaps not unwarranted , but seeing as I'm already pretty spent I'll save what remains of my posts for the night. Gl town. | ||
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On April 28 2016 02:18 Tumblewood wrote: I don't like fidei's response to being pushed this is a shitty reason and very easy to refute, but he's responding from a ground of "nah you guys are so silly I'm confirmed town" then again, I'd expect him to prioritize his survival a lot more if he were last scum hmmm not seeing anyone more convincing though (last post for reals for reals) Actually the confirmed town thing is a generally a town thing. Townies are always very excited about things that prove theyre town, because now they can just call the other players idiots if they get lynched (see ritoky every game) even if something isnt 100 percent confirming, because its convincing and it lines up with the truth (for an actual townie) townies celebrate and flaunt thier statues, thereby pissing off everyone else ( because in mafia nobody actually considers likely hood of alternative explanations, they just use them to continue pushing whoever they feel like) Honestly, theres nothing that players hate more than hearing "this makes me confirmed town" while the rest of thier play looks scummy. They will 100 percent disregard that factor as almost any defense (besides hard role claims) can be poked apart and if you piss off enough people its only a matter of time before that happens. | ||
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On April 28 2016 05:34 Fidei86 wrote: No. Please don't. We may have a cop. You presumably haven't claimed till now because you don't have a good check. Don't claim because you can be roleblocked. We may have a vet. The last mafia is a roleblocker, so can one shot you. We may have a medic. You can save tumble or me this evening. Obviously if you are the jailkeeper you should CC me. Koshi - there is no need for a mass claim now. If I make it to LYLO then the claims should come at that stage (or the flips will tell us blue status). Your wrong, there are only two possibilities, if your telling the truth, your town, if your lying, your scum. If someone claims, we lynch you and win. If no ones claims, we never lynch you. So yes, if someone's doc or dt you should for sure claim right now. But to lend credit to fedies claim, why would he claim the save on damdred of all people? He could have claimed to have saved anyone else, and there would be no conflict in his claim, this particular detail makes me think he must be town and unless a claim occurs we never lynch fedie. That leaves tt me and gb, you all know my preference on that account / : | ||
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Lynching her feels like an unnecessary mErasure when we still have as many mislynches as we do and far more suspicious targets (myself included in that bunch) I don't know how gb came to be town read so hard by so many, but dyh was insistent on clearing him and fedie, with fedie effectively confirmed as of right now, are we to assume that dyh extended himself to protect 2 townies? | ||
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On April 28 2016 06:07 Tictock wrote: Bah idk, on the one hand GB is a good lynch for suddenly going "Hey I think TT is scum, do you know why?" and I'd also be pretty happy to mess up his record as scum. On the other hand I really can't say with and confidence that I believe Shape to be town. ... So I guess I'll vote GB. If you all lynch me we should still have plenty of time to work this out so no worries. All for me, I'm out till well after deadline. You really shouldnt be todays lynch / : shape is town clearly going by the day 1 lynch, the last second jump onto ff was crazy and totally unececairy for scum. Why leap to get onto a mislynch? Gb may look townie, but you all know he plays a good scum game. The lynch should be between me and gb, me for my shady as fuck day and day 2 vote patterns and gb for all the stuff ive mentioned. What has he done in the last two cycles besides defend himself? Trust me, that comes naturally to scum. | ||
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On April 28 2016 06:15 GlowingBear wrote: Rofl You've called ME town the whole game and now that I called you Mafia you dropped your case on fidei and is gladly voting me It is TT, guys. this is what he said yesterday about me XD I'm done talking to you, you are Mafia, period. I hate to explain reasons why I am townie as they invalidate those reasons in the first place by showing im aware of them. But me and gb do not stand on equal ground for our argument. I extended myself to make sure a specific townie was lynched risking towns ire in the process, earlier hts claimed i was burning through all my posts to try and bury a townie, the issue is if I am scum, I dont need to do that, I just need someone else to die. Essentially I exposed myself and made mistakes for a cause I did not need to pursue. Gb on the other hand just defended himself, and called me scum for attacking him. These two stances are entirely different, mine is blatantly suboptimal for scum therefore townie, gb's is neutral,but also by burning all his posts defending himself/attacking me he doesnt have to really explain why hes not going after anyone else as he just wont have the posts to do so, burning out is advantageous for him as so long as we argue, he looks like hes playing the game. also guys gb would never drop his read on me so easily for tt / : i havent even swore on my life yet(what it took last time for him to reconsider me) | ||
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On April 28 2016 06:43 Koshi wrote: ##unvote ##Vote GB Him or Shape. like I said, shape lept onto the ff lynch last second / : super duper derpy scum move. Therefore not scum, also he actually posted something of use end of night 2, as opposed to gb. | ||
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On April 28 2016 06:44 Shapelog wrote: Sub optimal plays do not equal town...... Case in point, Kuru claiming mafia after i cased his ass in Storm. Case in point again, me fucking being 3rd to lynched our doc (ok maybe i forgot he was our doc but still), 3rd, going into lylo with 2 blue roles, one of which are mod confirmed. Also, more onto what this post wanted to talk about, the GB vote was kinda hasty, and really doesn't make sense with the fact Fidei claimed blue.... actually supoptimal is one of the most townie things out there. Acting in ways that will get you lynched, taking risks to ensure one person dies instead of your own survival, thats super townie and if you cant see that you dont understand scums position scum need at least 3 people they can accuse atm, as they need 3 people to die. Thier survival isnt enough, gb who has jumped from fedie, to me, to tt and is mostly concerned with his own survival perfectly fits the scum archetype. Me who is chasing down one lead and tring people left and right in ways that make ensuring later mislynches before mine impossible is actually optimal play, just not from a scum view. him dropping his read on me when I was "sure scum" is not suboptimal, its suspicious and uncharacteristic, also theres something key your | ||
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On April 28 2016 06:45 Koshi wrote: Dude. Don't give me extremely shitty reasons to tr somebody. Your not playing with idiots koshi / : when a pianist plays a scale it hurts to stop midway, theres something about correctness that draws people to abide the concept. Jumping onto a mislynch at the last second is dissonance, a flaw that scum can easily avoid. To do something like that requires a reason, an agenda, in the case of day 1 there isnt one as far as I or anyone else can see. intelligent scum wouldnt blatantly expose themselves like that as they cant rely on people to wifom themselves into tring them for it. Sure im doing it, but they cant know that I will and even if they do im not a very esteemed player so people arent likely to listen (like you right now) best policy is to avoid shit like what shape did, he had ample opportunity to do so and did not, to me that is ample reason to tr him. I also dont doubt my gut on this, as I am almost always right about these kind of reads (its my scum reads that usually get me in trouble XD) | ||
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I still think shape is town / : sorry koshi, that day 1 vote is pretty rock solid in my mind. tumble-lol koshi- no fucking way koshi is scum here ever so that leaves hts and tt. TT is in my blind spot, as I have trouble reading people who have accused me, Gbs death yesterday is an example of that, hts seems too involved to be scum. If shes scum, that means she has a second hts in her head thats town who helps her keep her cover straight and make it look like shes solving a puzze. we also know that dyh had a tendency to hard town read actual townies (gb and fedie) sl also hard town read hts, but again, she looked objectively townie(if only because of activity) so they may have just been trying to appease her. I honestly have no fucking clue whose scum between the two, tt looks fine as well honestly, he was a little reluctant to lynch dyn but so was I honestly, I'm probs not gonna vote today as I dont want another gb repeat T_T when next I post it'll be with a thorough evaluation of the two of them, maybe shape too if I have time but as I said, pretty sure the dudes not derp enough to hop onto a mislynch. | ||
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shape is town, cause dyh accused him pretty hard. your town cause day 2. I'm town cause derp so yeah, hts it is ##vote hts | ||
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On May 02 2016 08:26 Half the Sky wrote: 1/40 If you are town, and are lynching me because you legitimately think I'm mafia, that's fine. You're wrong, and if you aren't reconsidering, you're tunnelled as all hell. If you are town, and are pulling the same rubbish you did in Haunted Mansion (with onegu) and are lynching me out of spite, then you are (almost) singularly throwing the game. It's mylo, there are 48h left, if it IS gumshoe or Shape, then you are just as much to blame for bailing this cycle as I am for my poor gameplay. Please. If you are (tinfoil) mafia, which I think to be unlikely, then do your thing. Onwards. dyh shape isnt scum on scum @koshi, Shape talking about himself a bunch while not being productive is indicative of a scum mindset. It implies that he is worried about how the thread is perceiving him, which is more likely to come from scum. I had just put suspicion on him, my doing so became a point of contention between HtS and Koshi(his top town read). He glazes over my pressure. His entire list post is yelling, "your right DYH, I'm going to fix what you just attacked me for". Which would be all well and good, but then I wouldn't be null to him. I would be scum pushing a bad wagon or I would be misguided town that should be reasoned with. That plus shapes last second jump on day 1 makes it pretty clear that the dude is town / : with koshis alignment obvius, that just leaves you hts / : sl and dyh trd you pretty hard, thats not indicative of you bieng scum but it doesnt help me tr you ethier. Regardless, my play has been lack luster and I may deserve todays lynch, but shape is def town here. | ||
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On May 02 2016 09:22 Half the Sky wrote: 4/40 Again, this is wrong, again SL tried to get me killed, this has been said already once before, and associative reads are best done when the scum are ignoring their teammates or the interactions are meaningless, that's not at all what you are even saying here though. when he voted you, he had the majority of votes (3-4) and you were one of the last to place said vote, he may very well have been distancing. Obv I cant read the pages I missed and defend myself at the same time. But id imagine hts is scum for that vote. Shes not that silly This is a pretty godamm half hearted offense hts -_- nothing like how dyh pushed koshi shape and to a lesser extent me. It is sl though / : but meh. He attacked you cause you voted him(thats it) you voted him cause it looked like he was already dead / : on top of that he switched onto koshi pretty fast (only 12 minutes, he never even explained why he switched to koshi last second) in fact he seemed to switch onto koshi (for no reason) my guess is he saw that he was making you into the secondary wagon. Fecalfeast (6) - Tumblewood, Koshi, Damdred, Gumshoe, Half the Sky, Shapelog Half the Sky (2) - LightningStrike, sicklucker LightningStrike (1) - GlowingBear Tumblewood (1) - Tictock Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86 Shapelog (1) - DoYouHas Damdred (1) - Fecalfeast a minute after this was posted, he switched votes with no comment on why / : he was still accusing you, but he was voting koshi, someone who was never getting lynched and who he wasnt currently accusing -_- yeah... looks a tinsy bit shadey. | ||
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There was certainly alot of resistance on that hts lynch what a weird comment from sl, considering how he voted off of hts onto koshi with no preamble XD | ||
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All the evidence is out there, nothing I say should really motivate you as everything that comes from me did not exist before this cycle. Given my day 2 I am easily capable of concocting circumstances to scum read someone who is town, so my self defense shouldn't really be a factor here / : There are a few points of note though. Day 1: would I really so blatantly defended/ waffled on sl just as momentoum starts to build off him? I went from scum reading him to town reading him in a rapid span, seems like the kinda shit scum would want to avoid. Comparatively hts's interactions were a lot safer. Night 1: why shoot damdred? As I said myself earlier, I felt he was a likely blue heal, plus he was tring me and dyh reasonably hard, sl was highly likely to die eventually so they didn't kill him for that guy. Damdred was constantly coming back to hts as scum, if scum was going to win this game with an hts dyh sl combo, it would be via hts's strong play. To that end, Damdred was a pretty huge threat, you also can't say the chance of heal is a non factor, as doc actually did heal Damdred, he just got rbd. With hts as trump card, the risky shot makes sense. Day2 I come out with a huge case on a townie, and dyh chooses to fight me on my double town scum reads? Something's wrong there, again, also my reluctance to lynch dyh there was pretty blatant, as always you can't avoid the traps you don't know are coming. Night 2 lightning-another guy who was tring me pretty hard / : Day 3 : I am incapable of putting that much effort into lynching someone I know is town, I have never and will probably never push a case that hard as scum. Meanwhile hts was going back and forth on me and gb as the scummer, which is pretty optimal for at some point getting us both lynched. Night 3 null- just doc Day 4 wasn't here XD sorry Night 4 null, just vet, though tumble was tring me pretty hard as well / : Also would I really go after hts here as scum? Koshi particularly begging to kill shape _- I'm not going for the easiest lynch, I'm going for the one I think has the highest chance of red regardless of if I deserve or even can do so In general my actions don't really make sense as scum, I barrel forward into landlines and push with conviction I can't possibly have if I'm scum. Hts is smart and active, but she always like that apparently. Koshi remember cell mafia? Remember my push on prplz? For better or worse, (likely worse XD ) this is who I am when I think I'm right. I know your frustrated with towns shitty play and hts is actually trying, but is that anger worth losing? | ||
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On May 03 2016 02:25 Koshi wrote: lol I was kidding voting you tbh. Even though those are some really bad reasons to call yourself town for. ##unvote ##vote HTS Top scum likelyness: 38% HTS 38% Shape 24% gumshoe In my eyes. But I might be wrong. kek, yeah the reasons arent that compelling in general XD ive honestly been pretty bad this game. The point about the damdred nk has merit though, if we assume hts is scum, we can further assume that the team built thier plan around her as she probs had the best chance of winning. we also know that scum took a risk in shooting damdred and actually managed to kill him based purely off luck (rb) therefore they must have had a good reason for it. Doesnt really match with me bieng scum, as he was tring me pretty hard. Damdred was a pretty large and consistent threat throughout day 1 to hts, he was also kind of cooling on her (but still had her in his bottom 5) at the time of his shot so it was a pretty great time to kill him. makes sense to me / : damdred was also scum reading shape, but as you know I tr him for dif reasons (mainly dyh interactions and his day 1 vote) | ||
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Shape is the person I'm most suspicious of, doesn't seem to be doing much and his posts are overly self-conscious, especially for someone that hasn't been seriously pressured yet. Actually, I want to revise what I said about Shape. It isn't so much that he is self-conscious. It is more that he is just talking about himself a lot, even after the beginning posts. Shape talking about himself a bunch while not being productive is indicative of a scum mindset. It implies that he is worried about how the thread is perceiving him, which is more likely to come from scum. Shape - We'll be getting into this more today, but my original reasons for voting him are still good and he is likely scum. does this honestly seem like scum on scum koshi? I really cant see it / : | ||
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SL - I'm putting off making a decision on him. I don't have strong feelings either way and he promised more activity today. why would he give his awful scum mate a shadey pass, while hammering at his far more active/capable scum mate? | ||
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On May 03 2016 08:17 Koshi wrote: OK guys while brushing my teeth I have decided that we will lynch Shape. He is very likely mafia based on his play. Gumshoe I expect you to sheep me. I think HTS played a good enough game to get the win. I think I can see her be town. I literally do not understand why you people dont want to lynch shape. He has done nothing and it seems that it is working. This is my final vote. Gumshoe I expect you to sheep me. like I said, dyh's push on him does not come off as scum on scum. We have actual correlations now here at the end of the game, we can reason through lynches and kills. relying on our gut and what we find inherently scummy hasn't helped ether of us catch scum. You were sure fedie was the lynch right up until he claimed and so was I about gb right up till he died. given the situation, I think it's best to focus on the key events, sure they can be written off as wifom but I dont think the other way is much better. Fact1, damdred was killed while townreading shape and me(also dyh) and while posing a threat to hts. He was killed despite the likelyhood of a heal (which did happen) implying thier was a gain to the shot. If shape is scum, they took a risk shot for no reason. fact2- sl did not start attacking hts till she voted him(when he was already a leading wagon), if we assume thier scum together, she must have already started bussing him at that point, making his half hearted vote back onto her likely just distancing. He then switched off her for no given reason onto you koshi, presumably because he saw that his vote was making her into a potential shenany wagon. fact3- dyh went after shape hard, why attack your active scum mate while giving sl, his inactive scum mate a pass? Comparatively he omega green read hts / : fac4t- why would shape jump onto a wagon that he knew was going to flip green? makes no sense. I dont claim to know what is inherently scummy in peoples play, I may pretend to for the games sake but whats to separate true derp from scum derp? Very little in truth, but I simply cannot reconcile a shape scum team with the above points, they have little to do with what I think is right or wrong, they simply stand in opposition to what may seem like a clear lynch to you. I also dont think shape would let you into final 4 koshi / : your unkillable and eager to murder him. I will not be sheeping you on this koshi / : im sorry. Really dont think shape is scum here also hts usually plays well as ethier side, if we let her pass because of that, does that mean she always deserves the win as scum? Why bother playing if shes in the game XD | ||
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On May 03 2016 09:09 Half the Sky wrote: 7/40 I'm here. Picking up. I'll just call it as I see it. This first part is pretty WIFOM altogether, given Damdred's list, your reasoning cannot possibly exclude Shape, but we'll recap here. Several problems with the points you are making - LS (and even I admitted) mentioned the tactical wagon to shoot was myself, and scum could not have known that SL was or wasn't getting shot N1. Second, to suggest that Shape couldn't possibly be mafia from your own reasoning is poor at best, but I'll continue. This is not what I'd consider "fighting" nor did he do anything meaningful or push you in an alignment indicative manner with what you are claiming: This can't possibly be used in anyone's defence, even as he got out of the tunnel on myself. He was universally townread and was actively trying to organise town. It's pretty clear that most of the rest of town was disorganised and scum in general have taken advantage of that all game long. The self-meta and WIFOM aside, the bolded is also really bad and takes what I actually did out of context. I was hard scumreading GB before both you engaged with each other, and threw my case at him to see how he reacted, and at the time concluded both of you were town on town after engaging you both. I drew doubt to your timestamps and rightfully so, and you backed off, so how you are categorising this now is really shady. (GB's confusing read on Tictock threw me off, but as far as you two interacting I was getting reads on you both.) Koshi being willing to kill me at points this cycle also negates you "not" going for the easiest lynch, but regardless that doesn't make you town the way you are claiming. Obviously you're re-framing your arguments to make me look bad, and your hitting me immediately for the second vote right off the gate to lock in a likely mislynch is very suspicious. But I'll continue with your next post and go through the motions with Shape to be fully sure. [/QUOTE] i made a neutral mistake hts (time stamps) that in truth said nothing about my alignment, and twisted that into me trying to "bury a townie" as for damdred's list including shape, I agree, shape may have killed damdred / : but I most certainly wouldn't have in that spot and I doubt dyh would ethier. There was a high chance of a heal, yet scum shot anyways. Meaning damdred was a threat / : shape is town though as I said, cause of how dyh pressed him (doesnt at all gel with our existing record of how he treats his scum partners) and he wouldnt have jumped onto ff last sec. You on the other hand, are only ever attack by scum when there seemingly dead already (3 votes on sl) or trd by them. | ||
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On May 03 2016 09:18 Half the Sky wrote: 8/40 And scum me would? Silly based on his lynch preferences across multiple cycles. Talk about double standards. i think it's safe to think you could convince koshi to kill me or shape / : we basically didnt play for days. | ||
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I'd like to see you look a bit more into some of the lower volume posters though and take a stance either way, I realise it's Day 1 but there has been some content at least from DYH and sicklucker. some people say you can still hear her muscles strain from all that lifting so long ago. | ||
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Fuck, I cant eat all this babies, I already filled up on kittens that one may be exaggerated... | ||
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On May 03 2016 18:38 Koshi wrote: I am not doing anything. I heard it was your last game so you can have a win. Unless it is gumshoe but then you got the mental victory. or w.e it is called. While I can appreciate the sentiment, I'm not voting for someone I think is town at Lylo, end of story. | ||
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On May 03 2016 19:42 Koshi wrote: So in all the posts HTS made you can't find anything more townie than the wifom around Shape and his scummates? Dude, townies fucking suck at this game. Someone bieng terrible and scummy is not a reliable way of catching scum unless it's paticularly uncharacteristic of them to be so. I've literally been in this exact position like 5 times and it's just as likely to be the competent player as it is to be the derp one. Nk analysis plus vote analysis plus scum relations are the best way to find scum. And even if holes can be pocked at them, those holes aren't as likely as the obvious conclusions. All my instincts and logic say that the evidence points to shape bieng a pathetic townie, just like I am, just like fedie and gb were. Hts is a strong active player who probably rolled with scum mates she could buss (ie lower than her in skill) so of course I expect her filter to look great. Just like blazings in vanilla / : | ||
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Dude she has like 5 million wots, effort like that in some players iusually means instant tr XD. That said no I'm not doing this cause of course I'm just going to find bullshit to justify my view. That's just how my brain works. I have the highest rate of accuracy when I focus on key events in relation to players. I can't explain why dyh would push shape and not sl I can't explain why sl magically switched his vote off of hts I can't explain why shape voted on ff last second I don't understand why shape would let you into final 4 And I can't explain why scum shot Damdred unless he was a threat to their long term goals. Note this point could also fit shape I have seen townies do things you cannot imagine Koshi. Focusing on key points is the most reliable way to catch scum that I have. I won't stray from that this game. | ||
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On May 03 2016 20:25 Koshi wrote: Shape who was 0 effort this game said this about a mafia: Which is pretty impressive. After he gave that list post he did nothing to push either sl or figure out DYH their alignment though. But turned it miraculously around and he voted mafia sl on D1. Impressive once more. But looking at his post he kinda was looking to get off him. Why? ↑ please watch how FF was voting fecalfeast. The same person Shape thought was mafia. But for some reason right after voting sl, Shape goes attack the person who wants to vote sl with him. ↑ Tinfoil (mafia talking to each other) BUT There is also no actual attempt from Shape to read sl. Just this. Strange when Shape was scumreading sl? And D2 he again ended on mafia!! Impressive once more. And D3 he did nothing because there was 0 pressure. Pushed the GB a bit but didn't put his hearth really into it. Also pushed another town lynch in TT already. Just doing what is needed. Blending in and making the right cases on the right people. For D4 he didn't even vote. Which is not normal for Shape. I do believe he has really problems connecting to the internet but I also think that as town he would find a way to show his commitment to solving the game and wouldn't get catched by internet failure. Probably voted his scumread when he entered the thread. etc etc. The guy is just playing reactionary D3 and D4 and is getting rewarded for it by dumbass shit townreads that people give him. I never understood why people townread him. Both HTS and gumshoe and this TW. And GB. Only TT was skeptical and said he was probably town because the mafia spewed him town. Which was exactly my read on Shape but some dumbasses lynched TT and some other dumbasses didn't vote. But w.e that happened. D5 more nothing. Just get him lynched. Last 3 cycles it is mafia riding to victory because town is fucking retarded to the maximum. Gumshoe. Read this fucking case carefully. And tell me why the fuck you want to lynch somebody who wrote 5 billion words over Shape. Who has no real reason to be town except GAME FUCKING RELATED EVENTS. While HTS was pushed by SL While HTS made a shitton of questionable post. (which at that amount could come from town trying to solve over mafia trying to hide) While HTS is really trying to solve the game. day after day. point 1: zero effort- hyperbole. point 2: seems like your muddling this up, but yeah, just seems like derp to me. If dude knew if ff was going to flip green he would not have voted ff at the last sec. the end. point 3: shape is not a pushy player and he wasnt leading town sentiment, he was probs just lazy/realistic. Like I blatantly defended sl that day, so my criteria for scummy regarding this lynch is "who was afraid to look bad" and shape def doesnt fall into that category. point 4: you vaguely brush over how he lands on mafia and treat this as a scum point... gonna need more than that. point 5: if hts is the final scummer, we can assume he was having a hard time pushing as no one was actually scum XD which may very well explain his hesitance, for proof though I was also busy, I was frustrated with the situation as well making the game hard to play at all. point 6: I didnt vote due to a combination of gb disappointment and work, that shows there is a precedent for a townie showcasing this behaviors ether way therefore it is null. point 7: of course a player will look reactionary when they dont really know who scum is (ie scum is one of thier hard town reads) point 8: read it carefully. point 9: we've already explained hts's behavior, 1: it's her last game she wants to win 2: her scum team is beneath her skill level so she can buss if need be 3: Shes generally skilled and active as ethier side. Shape may very well just be a shit townie, we def have lots of those always. point 10: Hts was only pushed by sl once she started pushing him(around when he looked like the lynch) she eventually voted off him, and he voted off her FOR LITERALLY NO GIVEN REASON ON TO YOU. 11: Post day 2, hts does not have to play scummy, she just has to not die. 12: As we said, last game, usually active, nai. | ||
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On May 03 2016 20:31 Koshi wrote: Just read what Shape was saying under his section D2: Holy fuck that is a mess of nothing conclusive. Holy fucking mozes. means nothing mang, tl mafia is like 90 percent terrible. IN NORMAL SHAPE WAS ACCUSING ME OF BIENG SCUM EVEN AS HE WAS DYING AND I WAS DESPERATELY TRYING TO SAVE HIM skill/contribution is not a good way to read the guy. | ||
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On May 03 2016 20:33 Koshi wrote: I will never again vote HTS this game gumshoe. So you better shape the fuck up and read the guy. Pun intended. thats fine, we can let the lynch dead lock, ill get shot and you can vote whoever you want. I also am unwilling to sheep you due to how you got fucking mad at fedie for being town XD I dont want hts to be scum koshi, I am simply voting the person the evidence suggests is mafia. You on the other hand have this notion of deserving or not deserving the win, I think for the sake of your own sanity you desperately want shape to be scum XD and more than anything in the world, you dont wanna be the guy who lets a scum shape win in this position. Your not impartial and your ignoring key points. I am sorry koshi but you are not sheep worthy. | ||
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On May 03 2016 20:49 Koshi wrote: gumshoe your reasoning for defending Shape are the worst I ever read in forever. So either you get lynched for being this fucking dense or Shape is. I am maybe tunneled on Shape, but if Shape is not mafia you are. then lynch me, I am not lynching shape and yes I am making reasons up to counter you because I simply dont think hes scum and everything else is second to that. thats because I have key points your saying dont matter, but they do matter to me koshi, as they always yield my best reads. | ||
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On May 03 2016 20:54 Koshi wrote: Well if he was frustrated it was because he couldn't access the interwebz. But you didn't mean that and Shape was not frustrated with the game because he fucking isn't playing the game. The guy is literally not playing the game while he normally is a hardcore player. I already said that this is the guy that is floating so many fucking scenarios in his head that you want to fucking buy a gun and shoot him in the head so he would shut the fuck up clustering the thread with a fucking million posts about who could be mafia for reasons you think can't get more ridiculous till you read his next post. I just played a game where he would afk for long stretches of time and didnt really have any strong cases. Therefore you can forgive me for not buying into your meta read / : | ||
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Shape is the person I'm most suspicious of, doesn't seem to be doing much and his posts are overly self-conscious, especially for someone that hasn't been seriously pressured yet. dyhthis is not scum on scum wish I could read shapelogs posts but luckily he does not have one slthis is not scum on scum SL - I'm putting off making a decision on him. I don't have strong feelings either way and he promised more activity today. DyhTHIS is scum on scum, note the benefit of the doubt? The willingness in the absence of effort to give a pass to your scum mate? kinda like this I'd like to see you look a bit more into some of the lower volume posters though and take a stance either way, I realise it's Day 1 but there has been some content at least from DYH and sicklucker. htssigh duck | ||
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On May 03 2016 20:58 Koshi wrote: At least this is a good post. well done. So you are town. good. hmmm. I'll make a "why is hts town post" later maybe. I think the vote she made here: is actually pretty townie reasoning. There are also a shitton of other posts she made that are really townie. Like... Way more likely to come from town than mafia. That and her really trying hard just makes it impossible for me to lynch her. Like I said. I genuinely believe mafia to be 45% Shape 40% HTS 15% gumshoe atm. And the 5% difference between Shape and HTS is based on the effort. Not the full 40% in general hts does look townie, but as I said, check out vanilla mafia, it's a perfect example of a strong scummer bussing/carrying his team mates while putting forth loads of effort. in fact in normal just now, rels, the guy who was super duper active and townie, won by getting town to lynch a terrible looking lurker XD it is quite common a) because townies suck b) because scum rule(tmi) good scum players almost always look pristine, especially when the scum team builds their web around them. as for pushing me this cycle, she making the optimal play, by going after the guy whose attacking her, she can 1) defend herself while 2) pushing me. At the same time she can always jump on shape if things change but I will switch because I think I see what you are trying to do. Shape doesn't have much going in his favour either, save the harder push from DYH, but I'm still finding more ATM from an associative reads standpoint on gumshoe But I'll continue with your next post and go through the motions with Shape to be fully sure. she placed herself optimally. So is scum playing exceptional(hts)? Or is scum playing derp(shape)? judging from my experience in times like this (as I said, I've been in this exact situation at least 3 times) basic theory of mafia (that scum will look townier than town so long as they can bus thier team mates and are skilled) understanding of how this scum team worked (hts was the space ship, sl and dyh were the boosters/rockets) and nks (people who demonstrated a capacity to push hts) plus the fact that i've seen shape play lethargically/terribly very recently and get mislynched for it, I am rather confident about my vote here. | ||
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On May 03 2016 22:08 Half the Sky wrote: 12/40 Phoneposting from here on out so bear with me. First things first. Yes I'll confirm it's my last game. This isn't alignment indicative obviously. Second Koshi, I thought you were aiming to put pressure on Shapelog like you did FF day 1 to just play/do something in mylo but I'll say this. I'll sum up my reasoning for preferring voting gumshoe in a few bullet points if you don't want to read or read my filter 1 taking several things out of context in my gameplay, even in this last post there are several leaps of logic he is making 2 associative reads (my last long post) are showing a stronger correlation between him vs shape 3 day 1 play more specifically the read progression on sicklucker in conjunction with his voting day 1 indicates he is saving his scum teammate sicklucker Additionally what he is doing is taking a fear read (saying I'm active and a good player as either alignment) and using it amongst other points to justify why it could only be me who is mafia Another example of that is how he used/analysed the nk wifom. Additionally he puts me on a team based on an interaction that could come from either alignment without considering the additional interactions I've had with those players. 4 the manner in which he voted me from the off in mylo is probably the most suspicious thing to me given his justification and his subsequent explanation for saying that I could convince Koshi to lynch him makes zero sense based on - Koshi's repeated lynch preference between Shape and myself - Koshi's and my repeated difficulty in working together all game your vote on me has little to do with koshi, you voted me for efficiencies sake and also because you set it up earlier with the gb/me waffle. You can always vote shape at any time (as I pointed out) so for the moment makes sense to vote the guy you a) set up on earlier b) is attacking you. also this bieng your last game is a big deal, as we can expect heightened effort from a skilled player, it isnt alignment indicative, but it is an essential piece to explaining how you've played you could've played such a good scum game. The other piece are sl's interactions with you (only attacking you because you attacked him, only really going after you once it looked like he would get lynched) and dyh (tr for days, you consistently giving him the benefit of the doubt until he was too inactive to ignore) that in conjunction with my inability to place shape with dyh and sl (thier interactions are really not likely to be scum on scum, seeing as you think im scum, you should understand my points on that matter) also hts, I | ||
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On May 03 2016 22:14 Half the Sky wrote: 13/40 Shapelog, why you are wasting time on Koshi, fuck if I knew. He isn't and should not get lynched. Gumshoe and I are not voting him. What are your thoughts on my case against gumshoe, or his points on me? You said you were catching up on our filters, did you have any thoughts there? If you are town, this line of play is quite frustrating from you. Koshi has been hard pressing him for ever. Its perfectly understandable to go after the guy who wants to 100 percent lynch you as you have to figure out if one or both of you is/are just that bad or hes actually scum. Its easy for us to give koshi a pass cause hes not really attacking us. What shape is doing is perfectly reasonable. | ||
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On May 03 2016 23:05 Koshi wrote: ##unvote ##vote gumshoe I'll vote the guy who looked mafia D1 -> D2 why would me and dyh risk shooting damdred -_- (we were pretty trd) why would I so blatantly defend sl and be reluctant to vote dyh knowing there was a good chanced theyd die anyway. why would dyh fight me on my gb and fedie reads, why wouldnt I just sheep you on shape here? why would I kill tumble? your weakness is you want scum to be easy to catch, when you know that if hts is scum here, she could 100 percent play a game this competent. | ||
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On May 03 2016 23:01 Half the Sky wrote: 15/40 No I voted you because the manner in which you voted me exposed a double standard. If Shapelog pulled the same thing you better believe I'd be questioning the why and the motives. Your associative read on SL/me does not take into account thread sentiment and the manner in which Damdred was trying/debating to lead the lynch on me. like I said before what sicklucker did after the 6th vote on Fecalfeast is WIFOM. THE TIMING OF HIS VOTE TO KOSHI OR ANYONE ELSE IS IRRELEVANT. those make your points invalid. You made a point about NK wifom and Koshi and the point in my response to that is that it didn't make you any more town or me any more mafia, and that is the way you were trying to portray it earlier. not really, you voted me because you were looking for a reason to choose between me and shape, I gave you one. sl was a top lynch, if you were scum together, he would start counter attacking you the moment you sealed his fate, cause distancing. also that doesnt explain why he switched his vote onto koshi last second. these was his last words before the vote finished while he was voting hts ike I said 8 minutes to lynch. I come back seeing you taking advantage and jumping on a dream scum lynch. Your the best lynch for me because of it. Sure if I had more then 7 minutes I would be more liberal about who I want to lynch here then the vote count popped up Vote Count: Fecalfeast (6) - Tumblewood, Koshi, Damdred, Gumshoe, Half the Sky, Shapelog Half the Sky (2) - LightningStrike, sicklucker LightningStrike (1) - GlowingBear Tumblewood (1) - Tictock Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86 Shapelog (1) - DoYouHas Damdred (1) - Fecalfeast At the current vote, Fecalfeast is to be lynched. 0m 0s until deadline. and he went off hts ##Unvote, ##VOte koshi =] seems super duper shady to me, especially because he posted this later There was certainly alot of resistance on that hts lynch why unvote? | ||
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does this really seem like a scenario I would manufacture koshi? Having to go after arguably the best player in the game while desperately defending the worst one in ways that alienate you, another strong player, and expose me? | ||
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On May 03 2016 23:48 Koshi wrote: I don't see why HTS would leave me alive. 1) your proving why she would leave you alive as of this very moment. 2) For me it is Shape or HTS. I think I said it a lot. Let's lynch Shape; Last game Shape continuously pretended he wanted to solve the game. Constantly saying he was going to reread etcetc. you have hungered to kill shape since the dawn of time, i do not think it was at all unreasonable for hts to think she could convince you to lynch him over her, as she knows she the better player and as of last cycle you were stuck between them. i was also pretty reluctant to kill her hts seems too involved to be scum. If shes scum, that means she has a second hts in her head thats town who helps her keep her cover straight and make it look like shes solving a puzze. | ||
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Would you honestly vote for shape in that scenario? Of course not, and of course she knows that. Youve had a "shitty townies deserve to die" vibe all game, it would be a super safe bet for an omega active scummer to bring in to this final 4 given me and shapes long absence. | ||
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On May 04 2016 00:05 Koshi wrote: Your page 1 of your filter is so freaking bad I am going to lynch you for it. Your defense of Shape is absolute and shitty at best. Literally every post you made makes me want to lynch you. Now that I read it endgame: useless post achieving nothing but show activity, pretending to ask question to solve the game. But the question is useless. w.e I like how DYH called you out. Could be mafia on mafia. Rest is useless. Worst case ever. You probably felt you had to make that hardtry post because you said you always do it as town. Pretty fail attempt. Backtrack on case. Why? Awkward as fuck. Something about Shape. w.e You like HTS and dislike Shape townreading Damdred but not saying anything about HTS. w.e. Is not solely townie. More of you defending HTS. Ohyeah. I hated you for defending HTS. This was the worst post of D1. Because it defended the worst post of D1. Also so many spaces at the end of the post indicates you had to rewrite this shitty post a couple times. dafuq is this list anyway. gj on finding all the townies. w.e post more meh more meh more meh. It's all possible coming from both alignments. Real town should push TT more. This is just blending and going with the flow. When you call out all townies one should have a better feel about the game? shrugging of suspicion with smilies. Is this talking to scumread?? sad. Saving buddy. Forgot about TT. mafia slipped. Also doing the smiley thing again. Good point by TT, bad defense by gumshoe. Too apologetic and excusy for my taste. TT was a pretty cool guy. RIP. my days 1s are always shit, and of course i trd hts, shes amazing, you keep associating shit play with scum when at the highest level the opposite is true. But you cant attack someone day 1 for "being too good" but as games roll on and evidence accumulates, we gain the ability to take down competent scummers with facts as opposed to base less accusations. | ||
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On May 04 2016 00:12 Koshi wrote: I don't care anymore gumshoe. You are going down. Learn to fucking vote. You get the moral victory if it is HTS. You don't get it if it is shape because you suck. HTS gets the victory if it is you or her. She doesn't get it if it is shape because she sucks. Shape gets the victory as mafia because everybody is a dumbass pants on head townplayer. He doesn't deserve it if it is HTS or you but what you gonna do? I get screwed anyhow anyway xcept when it is you I guess. I like you koshi, but thats an awful way to play mafia ) : you win with town, you lose with town, the end. if you honestly think im scum for playing terrible day 1 (as townies are want to do) fine. but none of this moral victory bullshit, I want to win koshi, and all I can ask of you is to want the same thing T_T also we may very well no lynch today if shape trs me / : not a guarantee as he didnt last time but who knows, so we may be in it for the long haul, so save some of the melodrama for alter : P | ||
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On May 04 2016 00:15 Koshi wrote: It has nothing to do with you being shit. It has everything to do with you not being able to show any form of townieness. And don't give me that bullshit that your D1 is shit. You played amazing in the numbered game but Slam is a dumbass and shot you. You had the drive, the townieness was oozing out of you it was fucking criminal. This game you couldn't look more like mafia trying to be a cool guy but failing so fucking hard. umm in that numbered game eveyrone who wasnt you shanked me day 1. and in my most recent game i was town and created a bullshit meta case to hard tr scum onegu and another one to hard scum read a townie (tumble) my day 1 is a fucking joke koshi XD dont pretend to know my flaws better than I do : P also i was playing normal at the same time and most of my focus was there honestly / : Ask yourself koshi, is my day 1 really that wierd for me? (its really not man XD) or do you just really want to not be totally wrong? | ||
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On May 04 2016 00:20 Koshi wrote: We can't no lynch. of course we can. more time doesnt exactly hurt us, and if im scum like you said i cant jump onto hts and end it (though if shape is scum he cant do that T_T but I really doubt it) | ||
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On May 04 2016 00:21 Koshi wrote: and if you want to win learn to play better D1 so you don't get lynched D5. and try to vote your 100% mafia read D4 so you don't have to lynch her D5 Dont fucking lecture me, it's not like your hyper aggressive everyone who fucks up is scum style is at all better you stubborn ass. Also i was fucking busy d4, my brother was sick and I had a ton of work. So fuck off and lose you piece of shit ##unvote ##vote gumshoe | ||
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On May 04 2016 00:26 Shapelog wrote: Fucking Gumvirogian We literally cannot no lynch (97%) mech wise. Otherwise, yes, No lynch into mafia shooting someone. lol, we literally were just in this position, with me defending you and you scum reading me for asinine reasons. also the key thing your overlooking about my having to vote hts argument is this, I would have never put myself in the postion of having to scum read my top town read to win the game I would have had days to plan this, hard tring you like I have was an awful move as scum and something I would never have done, especially because of the consistency with which others have scum read you thereby giving me the chance to renounce my views. DO YOU HEAR ME SHAPE, ITS A POSITION I PUT MYSELF INTO, WHY DO THAT AS SCUM also you know what, ill give you guys one last chance I swear on my life and my mother and fathers lives that I am town. there, I may be a dick for doing that, but im not a piece of shit. if you 2 lynch me you do so knowing full well that your fucking idiots. ##unvote ##vote hts | ||
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On May 04 2016 00:32 Koshi wrote: ggwp nah nah, one more step left. I swear on my life and my mother and fathers lives that I am town. call me a lying piece of scum shit to my face. Then you can feel free to lose like the scrub you are. | ||
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On May 04 2016 00:43 Koshi wrote: ggwp² Say it. Tell me that I would lie on my parents lives. | ||
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On May 04 2016 00:50 Shapelog wrote: ...I didn't vote you.......all I said was you could of plan it...wowie. Yet you did tho, you litterly went at the GB lynch (D3) posted that you wanted to lynch your top town read the next day if GB wasn't scum. If I had to guess, you did it as scum because everyone else allowed you to do so (renounceing your view) from the scum reads on HTS. Which is your defense for me. And you did have days to plan it (since D2 lynch) basically if you were scum. Maybe RL issue yes, but you still have had time. Also, as someone who lost his dad early on (11) Don't bring family members into the game like that if you can help it. It bothers me, and kinda is a tad bit disrespectful IMO. Well I fucking did it, now you have to decide if im just a piece of shit or a total shit. Cause your reasoning is awful and you literally just scum read me in a spot were I was tring you in a dif game so obviusly your awful at reading me so what else can I do. I would have kept my reads loose as scum. Thats just optimal. | ||
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If I did do it this game, that would imply I was invested in it enough to do so, which makes no sense considering I afkd for days. | ||
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On May 04 2016 01:14 Shapelog wrote: So you flip the fuck out, because I have said something that underminded your defense, while not calling you scum over HTS and voting you off? I mean i latterly just made a point that you could, yet you OMGUS mode me. ... And yes I was wrong in Devil, for fucksake. And I admit that. And maybe I am jackshit at reading you. But, that is just ridiculous. I am in a postilion where I know that either you or Sky is scum, so yes, I am going to be questionable and nick-picky. im sorry, I was more flipping out at koshi T_T I was fairly reasonable with him throughout the argument but his whole "lol your dying no matter what take the moral win" set me off. It was dickish of me to do what I did, I wasnt mad at you it was just sort of a last straw thing cause i was sitting here laughing/dreading at the thought of you coming after me again in identical fashion -_- and when that actually happened I exploded, I didnt mean to insult the memory of your family I was just really angry. in regards to your argument, I would have never trd you like that in the first place / : woulda kept my point about jumping onto the mislynch to myself that is the honest truth, you can be certain I would not have this paticular group at final 4 if I was scum, I havent been able to convince koshi of anything so would never bring him, I wouldnt defend you and I wouldnt go after hts. | ||
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"a fuck, koshis right shapes been so useless forever, I guess he just wasn't thinking about jumping onto ff, that and dyh must have bussed knowing he wouldnt be too active/listened to" THAT is how fucking easy it would be to scum read you. My reasoning for hard tring people is often very diffrent from most players, which makes it easy to discard because they dont see the sense in my logic in the first place. Of course im not doing that because im town and it DOES make sense to me and its all I need. Hts has convinced far better players than me that she was town (damdred and koshi) in this very game, I would never willingly be in this position as scum. my scum game is lazy, I dont have a single one over 4 pages, I'm just not that motivated to play as scum. I would never create more work for myself. also forgive me for assuming that you were going to vote me once you started referring to me as a douchy super villain -_- | ||
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On May 04 2016 02:36 Half the Sky wrote: 18/40 Skimmed the last page and I think much of the preceding play speaks for itself. I couldn't get to the GB case contrast unfortunately but I'll just say this much, gumshoe's gameplay in mylo and elsewhere revolves around a significant amount of self meta and WIFOM. I feel I've been able to demonstrate the holes in most if not all his points, he's repeatedly taken points out of context on me (and possibly GB) and with the emotional outburst he is doing what he needs to do - survive. Town need to find mafia and scum need to survive. The scepticism on Shape isnt and wasn't there. I'll also state that I don't understand why emotional appeal with or without mod warning confirms him as town - the vast majority of mods do not go for a direct modkill outside racist/sexist/homophobic but I digress. I have also seen scum go for emotional appeal and/or look to fake things like these to get what they desire - recent examples 1 ritoky discussing his broken hand to dismiss a push against him on Outlaw (he wasn't lying but it was how the story was used) 2 Fidei cursing out his mafia teammate Nocturne Mage in the thread in Newbie 18 3 Onegu planned/drafted a fit of rage in the Outlaw scum qt and asked me as a cohost whether his fake rage was enough for us to warn him. My point is scum are capable of faking rage or acting as such out of frustration because they are on the verge of being found out. I'd be less bitterly disappointed if I had a legit case made against me based on scummy things I actually did or taken the multiple angles approach combining VCA in the appropriate context votes were made. I'd be less disappointed if the cases being made against me even discussed the mistakes I made like discussing my push on Tictock or why Fecalfeast or GB one liners spooked me to make poor calls on them. In any case I have to leave the thread, I am spending my entire evening with a client and I cannot return by end of day. Even if I'm mislynched I'm now 99% confident I've found the final scum, my inability to push past this is due to work. I don't make the oath as scum / : never have never will. Also I don't have nearly this much activity as scum. Me bieng scum in this position is just as extraordinary if not more so than you bieng scum here. Difference is I was attacked by dyh while you were omega trd by him I had no reason to kill Damdred while it fits your machinations perfectly (trying to frame tumble, killing someone who was capable of scum reading you) That and as I said, sl only went after you once you decided to bus him, and he voted off you for no reason other than the appearance of the vote chart showing you as the alt wagon. | ||
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On May 04 2016 02:41 Half the Sky wrote: 19/40 More self meta. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz........ If Shape is mafia, which I highly doubt at this point, town can whinge at me for my part in throwing in mylo again but being confident you're scum, I hope this is a lesson learnt for everyone else, I know emotional appeal has been a complaint from players as both alignments. Even when true (see examples) and regardless of how a mod reacts I think people should more critically think how the emotion is used and what your intentions are. The contrast in play was simple. I'm not playing to survive, I can only go so far. You, however are. Of course your playing to survive XD you flopped between shape and me all day I woulda voted shape if I just wanted to survive. I will only lynch you, that is not survival, it is and nearly was, scuicide . | ||
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On May 04 2016 03:56 Koshi wrote: Not "cheating" but making posts that heavily make you town that have nothing to do with really playing mafia. Just vote Shape................... stop the tunnel. but I dont think hes scum T_T Btw im putting together a huge time line of day 1-day2 hopefully that will better show why I think shape is town. | ||
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start apirl 19th 83) I make a dumb case on damdred 85) dyh jumps on me "gum is overplaying the jokes" 86) shape jumps on dyh for what he said to me " whats the diffrence between what gum and i did? "87) Dyh explains in detail to shape why he thinks my push on dam was scummy. bullshit with sl happens regarding ls, -------------------------------------------------------------------- so coming out of day 1, hts hasnt done anything, so shes null dyh lunged at me, and shape questioned him about the lunge, instead of backing off dyh doubled down on his feeling about me. The shape dyh encounter does not read as scum on scum, and as we get to the second day the possibility that it is diminishes further. day 1 conclusion- three way tension between me dyh and shape, sl is left to his own devices(ie useless), hts is afk. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- day 2 will start with our first relevant parties post april 20th 119: Shape adresses dyh's earlier explanation, disagrees with him, saying he found what I did with dam townie read off as him trying to get the ball rolling so far shapes defining trait if hes scum is disagreeing with his scum budy / : kinda meh for scum on scum.120: Hts appears, she makes a large general read post and seeds this in there seeing a few arguments about people being underwhelming, its a poor argument to have been made 10 h into the game, but thats just me sl dyh gb based on thier openers are all people that id need to see more content from sl in particlar has both active and laazy town and scum leans note the sentiment of "i need to see more out of x" regarding dyh and sl, this happens quite a bit and I get the sense she was giving dyh and sl ample opportunities to step up that they just never took. note, she also starts hard pressing tumble as of now, well get back to that much later. a post pushing Ls/tumble that we will ignore for now, in general well focus on the relations of the key 4 to one another. 124: heres a notable post from shape, half the sky pointed out how what tumble did with shape was scummy, shape had this to say yeah i noticed the fact he was small twisting things as i am reading. the question thing i feel like could come from ether alignment from tumble as his style is to often open up with some questionable questions lol. Usually he gets easier for me to read as the game goes on. he did come back though which is good. note how he doesnt just pounce on someone we now know to have been a townie, even though the oportunity is almost perfect. Hes even favouring him a bit with his assessment, so far shape has quarreled with one confirmed scum mate over his pounce and refused to outright take the olive branch offered by a supposedly townie hts. 125: Here hts mentions sl and ff as fringe scum, but only really to the ends of lynching LS. Note, its been This is Ls’s response I did notice but if ff doesnt post more chances are hes scum, I just cant read sl so I leave it to others .This was hts’s response 132 I can buy the point on SL, but Fecalfeast is lazy and has been so as both alignments. I was mafia in Dark Tournament with him - the game which you reference - so I know for a fact his laziness wasn't what made him mafia, it was the manner in which he bussed me after I was (effectively) redchecked. (Mage being the free DT check in that case.) That drew Shining's attention after I flipped not because he was a low-volume poster. As stated, there is still likely Fecalfeast could be mafia but this isn't the reason why. I am going to use other criteria to evaluate him. (NB: Everyone else, I bring this up since LS relies heavily on meta to read people.) This post is kinda hard to read, throughout it all, she continues to hold onto her scum read of ls, haruanges him for his choice to read ff as scummy for his activity, but says ff is scummy anyways. Notabley sl makes a fringe appearance here, hts agrees with holding off on reading sl, or at least agrees/understands him Ls doing so. which looks pretty bads 134:shape: note in this post, he doesnt really find Ls scummy, doesnt find tumble scummy, just vituperative, seems to tr hts and tt too. This is a huge amount of casual tring for scum, hes absolutley spoilt for opportunities to pounce but doesnt. 147: Hts confirms she is verbose ethier way XD yall effort =nai confirmed. Note, here we have her attacking gb/defending sl. Pushing him to get off sl even Hts On GB, GB's been around here long enough to know that bolding names is the same as voting for them, that's how it's done. So I also don't understand post 142 - I wonder if GB is trying to make something out of nothing (which is scummy). sicklucker explicitly said in post 118 his posts were just for reactions. It is implied that he's gotten nothing out of them (second sentence). GB I'm curious as to whether you have any reads on anyone else. Your filter exclusively focus on sicklucker, there's been quite a bit of stuff happening with other people. Currently hts has ff tumble gb ls and shape as potential scum, all town of course. Sl and dyh are apprently coasting in her books at this moment. 178 Big skip for a while from our cast, then this gem shows up in a post from hts Right now, based on the people I've looked at, GB and LS both look the most suspicious, but I haven't read in depth from page 8 other than the accusations. I'd also like to see more from sicklucker. IIRC he played a semi-inactive scum game in Drams. We're just north of the halfway point so I do want to see some serious reads soonish. Updated reads from DYH (yes I know he's generally low volume, but still) and Shapelog would be great. Seeing as shes scum reading gb, we can assume she trs sl. She asks of them both(dyh sl) to step up again just as the heat starts to pile onto her / : I think at this point it’s been about a day since ethier posted 200 shape * LS has fucking used almost 25 posts. And roughly about the time I wrote this statement, it is 24 hours in. I wouldn't usually mind LS spam, but he is chewing through them like hot cakes. like for him to try to condense it down. *GB has posted about SL. And that is still it. I want him to expand a little bit. He also seems to ignore Tumble/someone's post responding about if SL was serious or not. I feel like with the focus he is giving to SL, he should of responded to those (at least IMO) ( : dYH and SL are silent In this post shape doesnt really hammer at gb and ls, more so asks them to shape up, which isnt how I would expect a despreate scummer to treat potential mislynches, also the last bit is a rather brazen way to name your scum team XD 208 Note this list: So here's where I stand: Will lynch LightningStrike (voting currently) Needs justification/updated reads - most likely at least one scum in here: sicklucker Shapelog Tictock DYH GlowingBear Dyh and sl havent posted in ages, this list is consistent with that of a scummer who knows they have to win on thier own. It’s large and flexible, she obviously doesn't put her scum mates first but is more than willing to sacrifice them as they dont deserve her aid. Meanwhile she accuses shape of not having any concret reads Y ou've made these observations but I don't feel they are adding anything of value to the discussion alignment wise. I've also been the elephant in the room, so to speak....and you've said jack all on me. This is the wrong frame of mind, day 1 had already become a despreate battle for the final scum, as they likely realized there was a good shot of thier buddies going down fast. Shape’s meandering observations in no way aid the dire scum agenda that we see hts carrying out with ruthless eficiency. 210 Sl finally wakes up, Dont want to lynch Ls hes so cute and trying hard Ticktock is looking really strong I do want to lynch koshi but hes probably town. Not sure I can do another koshi game Gum probably town from what I know about him FF was not even in the top 3 people for wasting posts early so im not sure why hes being attacked. Hts seems over defensive but maybe thats just the koshi factor wish I could read shapelogs posts but luckily he does not have one I want to lynch gb a lil for this posts 4 Notice the snideness direct toward shape? Also he remarks hts is fishy, but gives her the critical benefit of the doubt. A recurring trend this game from hts and dyh regarding eachother. 214-216 dyh appears and hard trs/allies with hts while accusing shape Caught up. I'll filter dive tomorrow to really start sorting people before the deadline. .HtS is my top town read. I really liked how she pursued her scumleans on LS and TW. She kept talking to them. She wasn't trying to convince them that they were scum, but she was trying to get more information out of them. Implies to me that she cares more about solving than displaying her stances. Shape is the person I'm most suspicious of, doesn't seem to be doing much and his posts are overly self-conscious, especially for someone that hasn't been seriously pressured yet. I'm a little worried about Damdred. He was very quick to help Koshi against HtS and seemed like he dropped the pressure as soon as Koshi(who I'm leaning town on) wasn't leading the charge anymore Day 2 end. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So what did we learn? Well we know scum (dyh sl) was inactive for a period of at least 12 hours. What would that would mean for the final scummer? They would have to start considering how to win hours before the first lynch even occured. To do that they would need one thing above all else, aggression. Trs are the enemy of a solo scummer, every townie trd is someone you cant kill. So now that we have an idea of this despreate scummer, lets try to match shape and hts. Shape was lethargic, didnt seem panicked, leisurely asked questions, was reluctant to scum read anyone generally did not take opportunities to pounce on townies when they were offered to him (124 bieng the key example) shape may have played deplorably, but he was not playing like a man confronted with the possibility of having to ensure 4 mislynches on his own. Hts on the other hand, was a mad woman sicklucker Shapelog Tictock DYH GlowingBear Damdred Tumble Ff Damdred over 9 people came under her fire from her on day 1. She was aggresively hesistant to tr and often backtracked on those trs later (in the case of ff and fedie) THIS is the kind of way I would expect scum to play without a team. Also of note, dyh comes back after ages, and goes after his relatively active supposed scum mate(shape)? Makes zero sense. ----------------------------- Day 3 april 21 230 Note here how hts questions sl sicklucker, I went through your post and I have a few questions (1) Why is Tictock strong? (2) LS has faked his meta as mafia (which you allude to as cute) in Cell Mafia. Give me something more concrete as to why he's town (3) Shapelog hasn't made concrete reads - that should tell you something. His filter isn't very long... (4) Expand on GB's scum meta of pushing you - I've played with you both quite a bit and I'm completely unaware of it. Note the tone of her questioning? It sounds more like shes trying to get him to expand his reads then try to understand his alignment. Compare that to this line of questioning towards tumble Why is LS town? Aside from (potentially) myself, and Shape as mentioned, as scumreads, Tumbleweed, why are you nottownreading or leaning some of the others? Particularly Damdred, Koshi and Tictock and the content that they've produced? At the very least I'm curious to hear on this. Are you actually scumreading anyone else? Additionally, are you suggesting that how I am scumreading you is coming from a scum point of view? Shes using questions here to set it up so that tumble is ethier someone she can push as scum(your scum for just red reading me) or someone she can push around (why do you think ls is town?) 241 Here we see shape call dyh null, which seems to further reduce the odds of them bussing each other as we know dyh wasnt a rb or anything, so it’s not like his life was worth that much more than shapes and shape was bieng more active than him. We also have him scum reading sl pretty clearly. Again seems wierd for scum on scum / : 242 Here we have hts defending dyh while still leaving herself the option to kill him The focus is "doesn't seem to be doing much" - implied is that he's not taking stances on whoever he's mentioning. He's not doing anything with the words he's saying. You can argue a few points against others in this game for the same thing but multiple people now had called out Shapelog for having no stances on people. Nothing committal until this last list post. That said I'm not totally off DYH, like I said before commenting on others he hasn't mentioned yet would help me be able to better read him and weigh him against the other low volume posters for this game. 299 Here we have hts still trying to push ls, even though the sl train is in full swing 312 in the midst of this sl lynch, dyh brings the focus back onto shape @the rest of you shapes read on me is seriusly suspicius How the fuck is this scum on scum, sl is dying, so dyh solution is to refocus the lynch on his other scum mate? Da fack koshi? 317 dyh showing a willingness to adhere to hts’s LS lynch if possible 321 seeing the writing on the wall, hts votes sl but only once it became clear that he was the clear lynch for the day and she made it abundantly clear that she would switch to LS if the chance came “Since no one wants to lynch ls then im going to go ahead and switch to sicklucker” 329 Sick lucker appears and starts to distance from hts 351 hts asks sl to answer her light questions from earlier, perhaps throwing him a line. Vote log bonus posts 30 vote thread 5 min before the flip, with 5 votes ff, shape switches onto a clear mislynch. Wow. in what world does scum do that 33 with no reasoning, sl switches off of hts onto koshi. End of day ------------------------------ So what did we learn this time? Well, we see hts asking questions of sl with a tone unlike any other she fields this game, she seems to genuinely want to know what hes thinking, and as hes about to be lynched, she prompts him again to try and answer the questions. We also can clearly see he was not her lynch of choice, she landed on him likely because she felt the alternative was to look super scummy and of course she got off him at the first opportunity. We also see that sl didnt push her until she made the decicion to vote him, so his say in the matter is tied mostly to her actions, which are as I said rather unwholesome / : As for dyh, with one scum mate going down (sl) why redirect the lynch onto your other scum mate? Makes zero fucking sense. Shape himself made the amazing blunder of hoping onto a mislynch at the last second even though it was secured, something that is completely irrational from a scum view. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ So to sumarize here are the key points Day 1: we saw shape/me vs dyh. The conflict hinted at nithier of us bieng scum together. Day 2: we rationilized that whoever the final scummer was (shape or hts) they likely were already bieng forced to consider how to carry the game as thier scum mates were no where to be seen. Hts attacked rapidly and effectively, tense all the while, as opposed to shape who gave out lackdaisacal observations without a care in the world. One had countless lynches set up and pounced at every turn, the other blatantly refused opportunities to chase. Seems pretty clear who fits the profile / : also hts had already started to give sl and dyh some slack here. We also have dyh tring hts hard (as he should) and going after shape even though hes far more active than him and shape hadnt been attacking him at all, makes no sense / : Day 3: Here we see hts throw sl the rope in the form of kindly questions we never really see her direct anywhere else, she also seems to forget dyh exists for most of the day, even defending him from koshi at one point 242 We see dyh trying to redirect town onto shape off of sl, which makes no bloody sense XD why devote your efforts to killing one scumbuddy over another? We also have hts only voting sl once he had become the dominant wagon, and of course sls response is to weakly distance himself from her. So weakly that he even unvoted her for “reasons” moments before the flip. Meanwhile we had shape jumping off sl onto ff even though ff was already dead, which is just so derp, I cant even comprehend how you think this guy is scum koshi XD Seriusly, shape be town, hts be scum | ||
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On May 04 2016 07:03 Koshi wrote: Sigh ##unvote ##vote HTS This is really final. The case is ok. Things point towards shape. Things point toward HTS. Guess I follow the modconfirmed townie. catching a scum like hts is never easy / : her points are well thought out even when they're blatant lies. but what we know of day 1 shows a scenario that shape simply does not fit, and I know for a fact that at Lylo the super townie looking fucker is scum just as often as the afker (and honestly shapes not even that bad here) | ||
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On May 04 2016 07:20 Shapelog wrote: Hmmm, The confrimation Bias (HTS Scum and Shapes town) or you just slipped that u have TMI.... Only I haven't flipped, therefore, even if you find me town to the dickens, shouldn't I be excluded from that list? I basically think your town 100 percent at this point, the hop onto ff and dyh attacking you have made that clear to me for a while, I don't need to be scum to know that your town here shape / : and as I said, I wouldn't be tring you if I was scum given Koshis eagerness to kill you and the ease with which I could make up some bulsshit to kill you. My sin is certainty (a crime I often make as town ) not treachery. | ||
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Day I hammered ff to save sl XD Day 2 I went after gb, reluctant to kill dyh Day 3 I killed gb Day 4 I had scum between tic and hts, both wrong. Day 5 killed hts. I am the true scum MVP Gg wp Koshi, I was a dick to you and you were right the whole time, you get a free sheep next time we play | ||
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On May 04 2016 07:44 LightningStrike wrote: gum you probably should follow me early game and koshi late game I think following period will be a solid strat. I could've followed a rock and probs done better. | ||
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