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DoYouHas
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It amuses me to see you all worried at the cap. To you it is a limit to be minded. To me it is a aspiration . You are all merely adopting low activity for a game. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see spam till I was nearly a man and by then it was naught to me but fluff. - Gumshoe is overplaying the jokes with Koshi and Damdred. | ||
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DoYouHas
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Gum asked Damd to give him a reason to think HTS was more likely to be scum for real. Then, after his question is blown off with another joke, goes back to a joking tone and vote. It is the shift from a pressuring tone back to a joking tone for no reason that caught my eye. Long explanation for a small feeling, but whatever. | ||
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HtS is my top town read. I really liked how she pursued her scumleans on LS and TW. She kept talking to them. She wasn't trying to convince them that they were scum, but she was trying to get more information out of them. Implies to me that she cares more about solving than displaying her stances. Shape is the person I'm most suspicious of, doesn't seem to be doing much and his posts are overly self-conscious, especially for someone that hasn't been seriously pressured yet. I'm a little worried about Damdred. He was very quick to help Koshi against HtS and seemed like he dropped the pressure as soon as Koshi(who I'm leaning town on) wasn't leading the charge anymore. | ||
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DoYouHas
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Filtering LS to see if I want to sheep HtS. | ||
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@LS - What is your read on TT? You went out of your way to defend TW after TT's voting post. Do you have a better reason to scum HtS other than she is pushing you and is capable of a high-effort scum game? | ||
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@the rest of you, Shape's read on me is seriously suspicious: On April 22 2016 01:10 Shapelog wrote: DYH: Nothing I am seeing is making think he is town or scum. The sheeping thing caught my eye, but makes sense if HTS is his top town read. Would like to see more out of him. Also his opinion on LS, since LS is the main one pushing Sky, his top town read. I had just put suspicion on him, my doing so became a point of contention between HtS and Koshi(his top town read). He glazes over my pressure. His entire list post is yelling, "your right DYH, I'm going to fix what you just attacked me for". Which would be all well and good, but then I wouldn't be null to him. I would be scum pushing a bad wagon or I would be misguided town that should be reasoned with. | ||
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Koshi - I want to say Koshi's active and aggressive style is town. But he jumped up and down on me for valid points against Shape. He jumped up and down on HtS for the null read of FF while ignoring things I thought pointed to her being town. I don't think we get into the EoD we had without at least 1 scum in the movers and shakers. (Koshi, HtS, Damd, and maybe TT) Koshi pushed the lynch of 2 town for sure and probably 3. He is attacking town, leading lynches on town and after being proven wrong on FF he still wants to off HtS instead of stepping back and reassessing. Thinking he could be scum. HTS - She seems focused and productive. I like the way she pursued her scumreads on LS and TW early. She isn't getting mad at all the pressure thrown her way, trying to talk to people. Last time I caught her as scum she used her higher activity to spread suspicion on lots of the town and then letting others take up her ideas and run with them. She isn't doing that here. Only her EoD vote leaves doubt for me. According to NM HtS voting off her main targets to lynch someone scumming her is a big tell. I'm still going with my gut and thinking she is town. Fid - I'm pretty familiar with Fid's scum game. I don't think this is it. Scum fid would be even less active than he has been here. He wouldn't be shying away from getting into it with LS like we are seeing here. The well-documented troubles that Fid has with LS would be a great excuse to fake activity without producing content. I also don't think we would see that drunk post from scum Fid. SL - I'm putting off making a decision on him. I don't have strong feelings either way and he promised more activity today. Damdred - Cautiously optimistic. Gumshoe - Cautiously optimistic. LS - dunno TW, GB, TT havent gotten to yet | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [GB's case] + On April 24 2016 06:10 GlowingBear wrote: Well, you can't really tell someone is town by his way of posting when you're playing a post-restricted game. You're basically said he looks town by game events and that makes him mafia (so, meta-read). But you've just posted this: So what is the real reason you're voting Shape? Is that because he looks underwhelming or because of that bad meta? Also, you said you're also voting Shape because people are pretty townie to you. So how am I "meh"? Why are you not willing to vote me? Isn't "meh" basically "underwhelming"? Which means there are more underwhelming people in the game by your own standards. So why going against Shapelog, who actually posted a lot Day1? By normal standards, I am kinda underwhelming this game based on my inactivity (and I'm inactive because I've been busy), DYH is also underwhelming. Why are you not talking about them? Why didn't you lynch SL who was pretty much underwhelming day1? Why did you pressured people asking them "why aren't you voting SL"? Also, are you sure you find people townie? : So if gumshoe is looking bad... how are you townreading everyone? Why aren't you pressuring/voting gumshoe WHO IS LOOKING BAD instead of simply voting Shapelog who has been UNDERWHELMING? See, Koshi, your thought process isn't clear. It looks like you throw thoughts out of the blue without any kind of consistency. You're following your own agenda. That's why I think you're mafia. + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2016 07:28 DoYouHas wrote: Koshi - I want to say Koshi's active and aggressive style is town. But he jumped up and down on me for valid points against Shape. He jumped up and down on HtS for the null read of FF while ignoring things I thought pointed to her being town. I don't think we get into the EoD we had without at least 1 scum in the movers and shakers. (Koshi, HtS, Damd, and maybe TT) Koshi pushed the lynch of 2 town for sure and probably 3. He is attacking town, leading lynches on town and after being proven wrong on FF he still wants to off HtS instead of stepping back and reassessing. Thinking he could be scum. Koshi led the wagon off of SL, attacks town all of day 1, and is very inconsistent day 2. He is pushing a scum agenda. ##Vote: Koshi | ||
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GB is solidly in the town column for me after his case on Koshi. | ||
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On April 25 2016 05:00 gumshoe wrote: I'll consent to lynching fedie or gb, otherwise it's better to just kill me (the scummiest townie) cause I don't see a red flip coming from anyone else. You just listed two people I think are town. Aggression is not exclusively a townie trait and it doesn't make Koshi town. | ||
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On April 25 2016 05:24 Fidei86 wrote: There are lots of other points against me - #1 is I have no f'ing idea who I want to vote this evening. Activity could be a thing - I have tons of OGI excuses, but I know those don't carry any weight. Does it seem likely that scum gumshoe calls the wagon on Koshi dumpster, when that's the only other one going? Any reasoning we can have around gum is WIFOMed all to hell. As soon as anyone asks to be lynched they are playing against their win condition. All that is left is whether or not town will do it more often than scum. | ||
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On April 25 2016 05:36 gumshoe wrote: My win condition is for all of scum to die before all of town. There's no rule that states that not getting lynched is my part of my win con, my death may very well benefit town and we still have 2 mislynches even if I die. I don't agree with you. But I like this response. | ||
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On April 25 2016 05:45 Half the Sky wrote: 19/40 I was trying to figure out his general direction on who he's trying to lynch, besides his dropping off, I'm not clear on whether he's waiting to pick up on a lynch like SL or what....beginning of day 2, his approaches were all over the shop. If you look at page 2 of his filter he doesn't have a clear direction which makes me question whether he's a low activity mafia. Now I see he's trying to figure the game out but at the time I wasn't clear. On the other hand, you also have Shapelog who hasn't posted hardly dick all this cycle either. This is what is eating at me. I was convinced Shape was scum. The sl flip made that less likely. I don't want to drop him from my suspect list, especially since he hasn't said a word for a while, but I don't see him being scum with Koshi. | ||
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On April 25 2016 05:56 Half the Sky wrote: 20/40 Lord this is a good point. I might have to start using a spreadsheet at this rate. The main thing that troubles me about you tbh is you have said a lot about Shape and Koshi (and exclusively Shape most of the game), but little on some of the others save that one list post. If you are town and you are wrong on either one of them, you are effectively giving Tictock, GB, even LS (from your latest perspective) a free pass. If you are mafia, you are doing a good job of just staying out of suspicion and keeping attention off the right people. I have been giving TT a free pass unfortunately. He just hasn't drawn my attention much. LS confuses me at the moment, which is why I asked him those questions. He isn't comfortable with a gum lynch, he leans town on GB, he leans town on Koshi, he leans town on you. There is a lack of evolving reads around some of the most polarizing players in the game ATM. I just think you are wrong on GB, though I'm giving your and gum's points a harder look to see if I can justify my read against them. | ||
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On May 04 2016 22:25 NocturneMage wrote: someone said in qt koshi pissed off too many people to be an effective player. IDK about that. I can see that going both ways. That was me and let me explain it a little further, because I think I'm the minority opinion here. Koshi had a very aggressive style right from the start, which is fine and can work well (although not my style as I have a much easier time being combative as scum than being productive). However, he did jump up and down on people for things that didn't make them mafia and spent a lot of posts calling people and their play bad/stupid. This doesn't do anything beneficial and in fact tends to cause other townies to dig their heals in and stick to their own thoughts even more. This was very clearly evidenced in the fact that while Koshi was generally townread and in no risk of being lynched the last 3 days, practically nobody worked with him, instead followed their own analysis. Instead of building a towncircle Koshi just attacked people who should have been on his side and he paid for it when nobody listened to him. Being right is great but doesn't matter if you can't convince others. Being a townie is 1/3 looking townie, 1/3 solving and being right, and 1/3 coalition building. Koshi was 2/3rds of a great town player this game. | ||
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