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On April 29 2016 09:32 Tictock wrote:Good I can put that tinfoil to rest. I haven't really read HtS's case on me yet, but she made good choices picking out my strongest scum games. Pretty sure I post just to post as either alignment though... I mean if that's what you wanna call it when I make posts like this one. (if this weren't a post restricted game I might well just stop and post now, but...) Without reading filters Shape seems like the obv choice from my PoV, but I should do you all justice and actually read HtS's filter (Hell just the fact that she's been making nonstop WoT type posts might be something to note, kus god does it make me not wanna read her filter) and recheck Gum. I could tinfoil Koshi, but honestly he might deserve the win if he is mafia here. The buddying has been spot on if mafia.All for now, I'll do things when I feel like it.
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*sigh*
Tired of being ninjaed
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It's snoozey and for once, it is not me.
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Shape this is important...
What was the image of the Card you "drew" for me?
In regards to HtS's case on me it's interesting that she is useing so much meta in that case... but without checking my town games as well. Especially when there are plenty of points this game that leave me looking fairly questionable (TRing SL D1, being one of the last to move to DYH when it didn't matter, ergo the stuff Fidei pointed out).
I probably wont be bothered to look at filters till a fair bit later on today, but my initial feeling reading that case is that I'm being painted as scum not evaluated as more likely scum than town.
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On April 29 2016 23:31 Tictock wrote:
Shape this is important...
What was the image of the Card you "drew" for me?
In regards to HtS's case on me it's interesting that she is useing so much meta in that case... but without checking my town games as well. Especially when there are plenty of points this game that leave me looking fairly questionable (TRing SL D1, being one of the last to move to DYH when it didn't matter, ergo the stuff Fidei pointed out).
I probably wont be bothered to look at filters till a fair bit later on today, but my initial feeling reading that case is that I'm being painted as scum not evaluated as more likely scum than town.
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Reversed.
Also, when was the last time town game (VT)? all you have ever role since I think I been a player has been blue o red.......
Interesting enough.
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1/40
Koshi, I'm pretty sure. There is also adequate cause to townread everyone else, however much we might disagree on some of the players left.
Between meta parallels, the Day 1 stuff, associative reads, and the latest push, that's a load of scum points right there, but I also do not like how after the claim wars died down, he was still suggesting that Fidei would fakeclaim.
That comment (post 1027) felt forced to me.
To me his ability to construct these big cases is NAI - he clearly has done it as both alignments.
What also suggests association, just DYH here not really wanting to touch on Tictock, I'd noticed he was clearly ignoring him -
On April 25 2016 06:06 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2016 05:56 Half the Sky wrote:20/40 On April 25 2016 05:49 DoYouHas wrote:On April 25 2016 05:45 Half the Sky wrote:19/40 On April 25 2016 05:15 DoYouHas wrote:
@HtS - Why don't you agree with me on Fid. What are you seeing in his play that is scummy that I am not? The only mark I have against him is that he drops off hard as scum and he hasn't posted much recently. I was trying to figure out his general direction on who he's trying to lynch, besides his dropping off, I'm not clear on whether he's waiting to pick up on a lynch like SL or what....beginning of day 2, his approaches were all over the shop. If you look at page 2 of his filter he doesn't have a clear direction which makes me question whether he's a low activity mafia. Now I see he's trying to figure the game out but at the time I wasn't clear. On the other hand, you also have Shapelog who hasn't posted hardly dick all this cycle either. This is what is eating at me. I was convinced Shape was scum. The sl flip made that less likely. I don't want to drop him from my suspect list, especially since he hasn't said a word for a while, but I don't see him being scum with Koshi. Lord this is a good point. I might have to start using a spreadsheet at this rate. The main thing that troubles me about you tbh is you have said a lot about Shape and Koshi (and exclusively Shape most of the game), but little on some of the others save that one list post. If you are town and you are wrong on either one of them, you are effectively giving Tictock, GB, even LS (from your latest perspective) a free pass. If you are mafia, you are doing a good job of just staying out of suspicion and keeping attention off the right people. I have been giving TT a free pass unfortunately. He just hasn't drawn my attention much. LS confuses me at the moment, which is why I asked him those questions. He isn't comfortable with a gum lynch, he leans town on GB, he leans town on Koshi, he leans town on you. There is a lack of evolving reads around some of the most polarizing players in the game ATM. I just think you are wrong on GB, though I'm giving your and gum's points a harder look to see if I can justify my read against them.
Which makes me think considering the way he drew Damdred's attention end of day 1 and a few others as well for day 1 play.
Now, here's another example from this game of a contrived read from Tictock. It's okay to suggest that Shapelog would be a weak town read but NOT for this reason:
On April 28 2016 05:59 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2016 05:54 Half the Sky wrote:
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Tictock, Fidei is rubbish at setup speculation, that I know from his gameplay in NSM18, so him not factoring in claim wars/claim analysis well here is not alignment indicative.
He's not the lynch regardless. Did you have thoughts on GB? I thought he looked pretty towny in that argument vs Gum. Idk I'm kinda tempted to Yolo vote Shape, main reason why he seems to be town in my mind is because both of the other scum voted for him but that's pretty weak.Then again GB giving up on his gum read and posting this doesn't inspire confidence in my TR on him Show nested quote +On April 28 2016 04:21 GlowingBear wrote:
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I must say, although as weird as it sounds, that I'm starting to believe TT is the last Mafia.
Does anyone understand why? I assume the why is because I've been pushing Fidei so hard who I guess has to be blue (I think everyone posted since his claim?)
The DYH effort against him, along with the way Shapelog voted sicklucker day 1 are the "hardest" evidence that Shapelog is likely town. (In general, votes are a pretty hard form of evidence.)
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2/40
Shape, with those last two mafia games from Tictock, aside from what you presented, I'm seeing a few more parallels.
In the Devil Inside, both Trfel and Kushmasta both called Tictock out for misrepresenting their posts/reads. In this game, we have that read on Tumblewood.
In Devil, Kushmasta called Tictock out (post 1207 that game) for ignoring reads that he updated. You have the exact same situation here with when he called Koshi's reads bullshit - it was after Koshi re-evaluated his read on LS and he didn't at all take into consideration why Koshi changed his read on LS.
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3/40
Tictock, I know I didn't say it, but I read a few of your town games as well. In Haunted Mansion, for example, you were much more concise, a lot less tentative, and said your reads with conviction. They were a lot more pointed than they were in this game. That is one of the biggest reasons I actually brought up the posting just to post because you were quite the opposite there.
And the reason I'm using meta is because I'm drawing parallels between your scum games and the stuff here.
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On April 29 2016 23:44 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2016 23:31 Tictock wrote:
Shape this is important...
What was the image of the Card you "drew" for me?
In regards to HtS's case on me it's interesting that she is useing so much meta in that case... but without checking my town games as well. Especially when there are plenty of points this game that leave me looking fairly questionable (TRing SL D1, being one of the last to move to DYH when it didn't matter, ergo the stuff Fidei pointed out).
I probably wont be bothered to look at filters till a fair bit later on today, but my initial feeling reading that case is that I'm being painted as scum not evaluated as more likely scum than town. Reversed. Also, when was the last time town game (VT)? all you have ever role since I think I been a player has been blue o red....... Interesting enough.
Honestly I'm not sure, if you can count it in PyP I was basically VT.
Also before I forget, we can't vote to no lynch this game. If we mislynch today we will be in 1v3 LyLo.
I've also got a pretty terrible, wifom, reason why you probably aren't the last mafia Shape... + Show Spoiler +Last game as the last mafia alive Shape took 2 blue's with him into 3 man lylo, and here we know that Fidei was RB'd D1 so the last mafia has to be the RB. If Shape was scum here I'm like 90% sure he would have RB'd Fidei and left him alive for the WIFOM, especially since Fidei was fairly set in his scumread on HtS.
Anyways as for the Tarot, looking at it myself I find myself noticing that the queen's head is lowered, as though sleeping/tired or possible contemplating the weight of the symbol she bears. The goat's head (i think) on the armrest as well as the rabbit in the forground also catch my eye (side note: I was born in the year of the rabbit, but that's chinese so probably not related) I believe the goat is usually a sign of wealth and the rabbit a sign of fertility (breeding like rabbits you know).
I usually don't look at Card reversals as it's a bit confusing, it's kinda the opposite meaning as right-side up but not really... something more like a conflict within the card's typical meaning. Here though I'm finding some references that fit at least in my personal life.
+ Show Spoiler [Reversed reading] +I bolded the parts that resonate with me. The Queen of Pentacles reversed sees you becoming very consumed in your work. You may be placing your career before your family or your relationships, and this is having a detrimental impact. Of course, this may be ok on a temporary basis but you need to assess its long-term impact. To rebalance your life, you may find a release by returning to a favourite nature spot (a forest, beach or mountain) and allowing yourself to take in this fresh, natural energy.
Similarly, the Queen of Pentacles reversed can suggest that you are feeling worried about whether you can be financially independent, while also still maintaining your family connections. You may be concerned that if you invest in your career or financial well-being, you might not have enough energy to invest in your family. Sometimes, you just cannot do everything and you will need to make some choices.
You may also find that you become a bit of a homebody and somewhat isolated from others. If so, you need to fight this urge and keep in touch with your friends and family as they will be a great help and support to you.
At times, the reversed Queen of Pentacles may suggest that your tendency to ‘mother’ those you care about is actually becoming more like smothering. Your intentions are good in that you love to cook, clean, nurture and care for those around you but there may be a point at which you need to let others be accountable for their own upkeep. You cannot always be the one doing the laundry or cooking the dinner. Sometimes you need to step back and let others take on the load. Similarly, you may reach a point where you are investing so much time looking after others that you find you are neglecting yourself. Again, step back and let others take on some of the household responsibilities. Considering I've been working 2 jobs and quite often my days end up being close to 12 hours with only some time inbetween for Mafia or other games, this generally fits. I also tend to be something of a loner, and haven't been connecting well to my typical group of friends lately. So the reading seems fairly accurate.
All said and done I don't find much here that relates to the game tbh, but idk what you were focusing on when you drew this card. In tarot intent and the question you are asking when reaching for a card is just as important as the card itself.
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##unvote
##vote HTS
If TT is mafia he outplayed me really hard. he just says 100% the things I want to say and basically feels teh game the same way I do. It is incredible if he does that as mafia.
The only person I would vote for that is not HTS is gumshoe.
I know this must somewhat be extremely annoying and frustrating for you HTS. Especially when you are town. But... I really can't believe TT is mafia. He is my strongest townread.
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On April 29 2016 23:56 Half the Sky wrote:
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Shape, with those last two mafia games from Tictock, aside from what you presented, I'm seeing a few more parallels.
In the Devil Inside, both Trfel and Kushmasta both called Tictock out for misrepresenting their posts/reads. In this game, we have that read on Tumblewood.
In Devil, Kushmasta called Tictock out (post 1207 that game) for ignoring reads that he updated. You have the exact same situation here with when he called Koshi's reads bullshit - it was after Koshi re-evaluated his read on LS and he didn't at all take into consideration why Koshi changed his read on LS.
It's not like town doesn't read into posts and find things that aren't there. Also it was still a good point I had against Tumble, it's super weird to say "I think LS and me are probably town"
I said Koshi's read on LS was BS, as in it was a terrible reason to townread LS. Given that it's Koshi we are talking about, him having weird/bad reads is actually more town indicative imo, which is what I concluded based on that. You brought this point up earlier and concluded the opposite irrc.
+ Show Spoiler [Just something I noticed] +While this isn't really conclusive I also can't help but notice you've been referencing posts almost exclusively by post number rather than providing the post itself. I point it out kus I used the same tactic in my last scum game (as shitty as it was) because I realized it makes it harder for people to fact check the points you make, it puts the onus on us to plug that number in and find the post you are referring to ourselves. Though I've seen you do this in Obs and such before too (course you can't really quote in those) so idk if that really means much.
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Oh and the only reason I am not voting Shape today is because literally everybody keeps repeating how town he is and how he can't be mafia.
I don't know why. I can lynch the guy every day.
But
if he is mafia
it is on you all. (xcept damdred)
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Hey, so checking in, have to gm for some friends today so I'll be working on that mostly ) : but i'll poke in every once in a while in case anyone has questions.
I still think shape is town / : sorry koshi, that day 1 vote is pretty rock solid in my mind.
tumble-lol
koshi- no fucking way koshi is scum here ever
so that leaves hts and tt.
TT is in my blind spot, as I have trouble reading people who have accused me, Gbs death yesterday is an example of that, hts seems too involved to be scum. If shes scum, that means she has a second hts in her head thats town who helps her keep her cover straight and make it look like shes solving a puzze.
we also know that dyh had a tendency to hard town read actual townies (gb and fedie) sl also hard town read hts, but again, she looked objectively townie(if only because of activity) so they may have just been trying to appease her.
I honestly have no fucking clue whose scum between the two, tt looks fine as well honestly, he was a little reluctant to lynch dyn but so was I honestly, I'm probs not gonna vote today as I dont want another gb repeat T_T
when next I post it'll be with a thorough evaluation of the two of them, maybe shape too if I have time but as I said, pretty sure the dudes not derp enough to hop onto a mislynch.
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I'm back but not for too much longer. Busy tonight and tomorrow but will do my best.
On April 30 2016 04:00 gumshoe wrote:
we also know that dyh had a tendency to hard town read actual townies (gb and fedie) sl also hard town read hts, but again, she looked objectively townie(if only because of activity) so they may have just been trying to appease her.
Actually no, quite the opposite, SL's pushing me day 1, trying to hop onto Damdred's misread of me, could have gotten me killed. (Koshi and FF were on the brink, LS had also voted me.)
On April 21 2016 09:30 sicklucker wrote:
Dont want to lynch Ls hes so cute and trying hard
Ticktock is looking really strong
I do want to lynch koshi but hes probably town. Not sure I can do another koshi game
Gum probably town from what I know about him
FF was not even in the top 3 people for wasting posts early so im not sure why hes being attacked.
Hts seems over defensive but maybe thats just the koshi factor
wish I could read shapelogs posts but luckily he does not have one
I want to lynch gb a lil for this posts
On April 22 2016 07:15 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 07:13 Koshi wrote:On April 22 2016 07:12 Damdred wrote:
Tempted but I excluded her today. There are a lot of red flags though with her which yeah Yeah I agree. She is up for future days for sure. Let's take down fefe today. thats loser talk kill her!
On April 22 2016 07:09 sicklucker wrote:
Obv I cant read the pages I missed and defend myself at the same time. But id imagine hts is scum for that vote. Shes not that silly
On April 22 2016 07:17 sicklucker wrote:
Well thats a dumb reason sicklucker cares for no man. Maybe ladys. kill hts tho
On April 22 2016 07:22 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2016 07:21 Half the Sky wrote:23/40 On April 22 2016 07:17 sicklucker wrote:
Well thats a dumb reason sicklucker cares for no man. Maybe ladys. kill hts tho Why? Read my filter, I highlighted again what I took issue with before I said what I did about lynching you. like I said 8 minutes to lynch. I come back seeing you taking advantage and jumping on a dream scum lynch. Your the best lynch for me because of it. Sure if I had more then 7 minutes I would be more liberal about who I want to lynch here
After EoD 1
On April 22 2016 07:53 sicklucker wrote:
There was certainly alot of resistance on that hts lynch
On April 22 2016 08:13 sicklucker wrote:
you saw that too eh
(final quote was in response to Damdred criticising my D1 vote, he just pretty much going for whatever wagon could take off)
If you are to assume the mafia RB to be remaining, you'd have to argue why an inactive-ish mafia vanilla would push or risk the death of his more active mafia RB (if one were to think I was that player).
And he kept egging Damdred on Night 1 regarding my being scum to boot in a situation where I was tactically the correct vigshot/DT check.
Just saying.
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If people aren't willing to buy into my case or read into it, at least look back at the D1 play. Tictock generally emulates his town play well as mafia, so that's part of the reason I felt it necessary to highlight meta. Look at the reads between him and the flipped mafia, etc.
And Koshi, if you have to mislynch me to realise it's Tictock, then so be it. I've actually been quite frustrated all game, most scumreads on me have been poor with the sheer amount of work I've been trying to do to sort this out all game.
(Damdred, no idea what he was doing, Fidei was pure fear/confirmation bias, LS was pure OMGUS and even he got out of the tunnel)
I said it early game and I'll say it again, mafia have been playing well, well enough to fool most of us.
But back on topic, if you have to mislynch me, great but you really need to take him out in mylo.
And everyone, there's no way Koshi is scum. If I had to sum it up in one sentence, the way he raged at Fidei for playing blue suboptimally? No way that would have come from scum. Exposure of the prot role is a scummer's dream, they cannot afford to lose a mislynch, and I could not see him fake that.
Obviously other reasons too, but that's the quick and dirty way there.
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I actually didn't rage at him for that. It was because he said we didn't want to lynch mafia. That hit a wrong spot because people actually are trying really hard this game. Xcept maybe TW.
I know how hard you have been playing HTS. At this point I am lynching you because the amount of words you type are not convincing me or you enough to also push lynches.
Both D1 and D3 lynch you were like "ok w.e this lynch then but my head is spinning and idgaf tbh"
And then D2 you were the first vote after it was obvious DYH was going to get lynched.
Today is different with the TT case... But I just don't know... I really don't think TT is mafia and if he is that is on me. But I don't see it. I wish I could but the guy literally typed what I want to type or what I am feeling.
There are multiple instances. Around Fidei, around how he feels after lynches, before lynches etc etc. Really a lot of the time.
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I expect from a townie to just confirm bias himself at a point. There are 2 people who are not doing that atm. HTS and Shape.
If we look at all other people they hardpushed somebody at some point.
HTS hasn't yet. She now is pushing TT but it is just not convincing, and again, I love how TT answered the case... Dnu. Maybe I am pocketed but yeah...
And then if we look at dead townies it is true they also were somewhat pushing you. Which is really odd because you are typing so many words.
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gumshoe his play on page 2 is pretty good.
I want to lynch Shape and HTS.
I can lose to TT and gumshoe atm.
obviously I don't want to lose but it is pure based on me reading the filters.
Shape really lacks wanting to solve the game. It doesn't want to solve this game and I have played with Shape town and he keeps solving the game in so many ways you just want him to shut the fuck up. Like, you get fucking pissed off annoyed at how hard he wants to solve the game.
I think he is actually mafia and just completely flipped how he was perceived as town in last game as mafia. (like TT said, now suddenly Fidei dies while it is certain mafia got a RB, which doesn't point at Shape his last scumplay in which he took 2 blues into 2v1 lylo). But same with how he plays. He kinda plays scummy due to his involvement, which is not how he played scum last game, he was really involved and pretended he didn't want to solve the game. But in this game he is not even pretending to want to solve the game.
Shape has the vote on sl to fall on to. BUT remember that 2 minutes after Shape voted SL he was looking to lynch elsewhere. And we didn't lynch sl. Remember that.
And him looking bad for changing his vote off scum onto town last second is NOT FUCKING TOWNIE. Fucking put that between your ears gumshoe.
##unvote
##vote Shape
Yeah. I don't like his play at all. If we need to kill a townie he deserves it. And I KNOW FOR A FUCKING FACT Shape plays hardtry town. He also plays hardtry scum. But because he rolled mafia last game I think it is more likely he plays casual not caring scum in this game than that he plays not caring town.
Let's do this? We have no real reasons to scumread him. But do we really have reasons to townread him EXCEPT for shitty ridiculous dumb piece of shit game related thingies like 1 vote?
remember SL pushed HTS... He can do that mafia on mafia. sl actually is a busser, and busses like that set up things like the defense post from HTS.. He probably knew we wouldn't lynch HTS anyway.
sooo tldr: fuck it. I am voting the least impressive player.
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Ok I made a mistake. EBWOP:
Last game Shape continuously pretended he wanted to solve the game. Constantly saying he was going to reread etcetc.
This game he is just a pile of nothingness. If he isn't blue, which I felt he was pretending to be, he is just mafia.
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6/40
If the hardpushing is a criteria for you, then clearly you didn't read the exchange between myself and GB Day 2.
Also this:
On April 30 2016 06:24 Koshi wrote:
I actually didn't rage at him for that. It was because he said we didn't want to lynch mafia. That hit a wrong spot because people actually are trying really hard this game. Xcept maybe TW.
I know how hard you have been playing HTS. At this point I am lynching you because the amount of words you type are not convincing me or you enough to also push lynches.
Both D1 and D3 lynch you were like "ok w.e this lynch then but my head is spinning and idgaf tbh"
And then D2 you were the first vote after it was obvious DYH was going to get lynched.
Today is different with the TT case... But I just don't know... I really don't think TT is mafia and if he is that is on me. But I don't see it. I wish I could but the guy literally typed what I want to type or what I am feeling.
There are multiple instances. Around Fidei, around how he feels after lynches, before lynches etc etc. Really a lot of the time.
Am I misunderstanding the bolded? If you're suggesting I bussed DYH, that's wrong, because I didn't even vote DYH. Tictock was the last on him by what you were saying.
On April 25 2016 07:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Final Votecount - Day 2: DoYouHas (5) - LightningStrike, Fidei86, Koshi, Shapelog, TicTock GlowingBear (2) - Koshi, gumshoe, Half the Sky gumshoe (1) - Tictock, gumshoe, Tumblewood, GlowingBear, Half The Sky, Koshi, KoshiKoshi (2) - GlowingBear, DoYouHas, GlowingBear Shapelog (0) - KoshiTumblewood (0) - Half the Sky, Koshi, Tictock, gumshoeDoYouHas is slated to be lynched.
D1 was a clusterfuck, I think everyone gets that, I get why people think I'm scummy for day 1, but I'd argue per Fidei's case on Tictock, he looks worse by comparison.
Day 3 it's actually concise in my filter as to why I switched. Heck reading Shape's filter, you could conclude the very same thing. But of course the amount of reading I do won't show up in my filter it is what it is.
Also if you are suggesting NK WIFOM to implicate me, re-read again,
(1) Damdred had Tictock, Shape and someone else in his PoE by the End of Day 1.
(2) LS got out of his tunnel and he had Tictock over GB,
(3) and yeah Fidei might have mis-read me, but you can't even consider that one as he was prot - no mafia team should ever leave the prot alive irregardless of what he says.
Ultimately it's not the scumread that frustrates me here, it's reasoning behind it, and a chunk of your reasoning against me doesn't even reflect some of the things that actually happened.
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Well... Ok that part about the vote was wrong. But you were there being mehish. That is for sure true on all the lynches.
anyway.
Let's lynch Shape;
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