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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 21 2016 22:09 GMT
#333
On April 22 2016 07:07 Damdred wrote:
I want to lynch ff now.

Sadly or even hts. The way they are both acting is strange to say the least.

SL is just a crap shoot tbh with bad reasons.

What you find about FF being strange? HTS I can understand because I been pushing her with a good chunk of my posts.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 21 2016 22:22 GMT
#360
Idk kinda temped on FF I thought he looked meh earlier but then he started posting and liked it more. I still got my prefer lynch of HTS.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 21 2016 22:25 GMT
#372
FF Damdred's lynch wont happen. Lynch HTS with me and sicklucker. I done posting until night which I will just make Wall of Text until I out of posts so don't expect much activity from me.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 22 2016 12:30 GMT
#427
Okay first off that flip was kinda expected given how fast the wagon formed and second of all all those wasted votes makes it seem like scum actually got some pull and the fact that there was a big resistance to a HTS lynch is pretty indicative about her.
On April 22 2016 10:44 Half the Sky wrote:
27/40

Blargh never mind. I thought I saw an issue with Tictock, but after re-reading he concludes town on Koshi. He'd called his LS read bull prior to Koshi changing his stance on LS but his final read was town based on other criteria. Meh.




Reconstructing the votes against sicklucker and FF in the voting thread, I have 4 on him, 3 on FF before gumshoe switched effectively hammering FF.

The two solo votes that emerged in the thick of the two wagons forming were DYH on Shapelog and gumshoe on Tictock (prior to the switch on FF). I know that there was a back and forth between gumshoe and Tictock that I'll look into later...

But this DYH push on Shape and wagon evaluation would appear to come from a townie mindset.

Show nested quote +
On April 22 2016 06:55 DoYouHas wrote:
@koshi, Shape talking about himself a bunch while not being productive is indicative of a scum mindset. It implies that he is worried about how the thread is perceiving him, which is more likely to come from scum.

@the rest of you, Shape's read on me is seriously suspicious:
On April 22 2016 01:10 Shapelog wrote:

DYH: Nothing I am seeing is making think he is town or scum. The sheeping thing caught my eye, but makes sense if HTS is his top town read. Would like to see more out of him. Also his opinion on LS, since LS is the main one pushing Sky, his top town read.

I had just put suspicion on him, my doing so became a point of contention between HtS and Koshi(his top town read). He glazes over my pressure. His entire list post is yelling, "your right DYH, I'm going to fix what you just attacked me for". Which would be all well and good, but then I wouldn't be null to him. I would be scum pushing a bad wagon or I would be misguided town that should be reasoned with.


Show nested quote +
On April 22 2016 07:28 DoYouHas wrote:
There is something wrong here, either in my reads or in this wagon. Top scum is voting with top town on someone I considered nullish.


I have to re-evaluate everyone - when I see most of the reactions in this thread to the lynch and the number of people that have said something along the lines of "game is hard" "weird" "something's not right" and this chaotic EoD.....scum are playing well. Really well.

Of the scumteam, I have a hunch someone's got me fooled, someone's either suggesting or pushing my lynch and someone's doing a great job of playing under the radar and right now I can't really put my finger on it.

I'm looking at the votes and I know I'm town so we had two town wagons, possibly three (sicklucker, though I'm not fully positive, but likely based on the votes) the solo voters are annoying and I'm pretty sure there's one in the solo votes but looking at how everyone and everything shifted, there HAS to be one person jumping around, I had 3 votes at points in the cycle total, with Koshi and Fecalfeast willing to shennanie. (Tictock suggested SL)

People that voted for FF at any given point: Tumblewood, Koshi, Damdred, Gumshoe, Half the Sky, Shapelog
People that voted sicklucker at any given point: gumshoe, hts, shapelog, Damdred, FF (Tictock)
People that voted for me at any given point: LS, SL, Damdred, (FF, Koshi)

Starting point for me I think when I pick up again but I'm stopping here for the night.

Yes Koshi thouht about voting you and same with FF but FF decided he would rather go to Damdred which made his vote wasted because there was no way in hell Damdred was going to get lynched with like 5 mins to go at EoD. Koshi thought about it but in end he didn't change his vote on to you. Damdred did try to vote you EoD it didn't count his change due to it being last second or something.
On April 22 2016 09:34 Fidei86 wrote:
Drunk James says its HTS / TT / Damdred. But this is definitely one of the weirdest games I've ever been in.

If I'm vigi tonight I shoot LS though. Dude doesn't string a sentence together for four games in a row and is town. He posts a WOT tonight and nobody bats an eye.

I bet you wont remember posting this while drunk and I did string a sentence together o.o
Also I found it odd that sicklucker decided to try to lynch Koshi when that wasn't happening either o.o
If you are a vig you shoot me or HTS.
If you are a cop you check either HTS or me or any of the questionmarks.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 22 2016 19:04 GMT
#434
Oh so Damdred's vote did count hmm for some reason I thought it didn't oh well. Anyways there is most likely mafia at least 1 mafia that isn't HTS on FF at EoD due to the fact that everyone practically switched from SL to him so quickly that mafia probably had control of the FF wagon and the SL wagon I think. I think we should look into Koshi,Shapelog, and Gumshoe although I doubt Gumshoe atm but I should reread all of their filters.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 22 2016 21:10 GMT
#437
Okay so Shape's reason for switching seems odd. He wanted to lynch SL but decided to switch to FF despite the fact that he didn't like the swing of votes to FF and his defence for it was kinda poor too.
Gumshoe reason for voting FF was he disliked FF's wasted post style but he was scumreading TT even more and claimed it was because TT wouldn't get lynched that he voted for FF. Although I do still think he's town it just odd.
Koshi didn't like FF early on but then took his attention to HTS,Me, and DYH only to trust his early read on FFand seems to trust Koshi a little much. Seems calmer than my last game with him idk why is but seems like it.
@Shape: What are your reads atm?
@Gumshoe: Why you thought it would be a waste to push for the lynch of your choice EoD?
Koshi: What are your reads atm?
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 22 2016 22:21 GMT
#456
Okay Last Will in case I die for whatever reason:
Don't ever lynch Damdred or TW meta suggests that TW is town unless I feeling way to bad for the fact I mislynched him in Storm. Damdred been pushing stuff and reevaluating stuff.
There is 1 mafia in Koshi,Gum, and shape but I think it's Shape his stuff looked worst regarding the lynch of FF. Gumshoe said his computer was acting up and his day looked worst compared to who he was pushing. Koshi I doubt he's mafia he been doing his own stuff and been pushing his thoughts too.
Lynch HTS unless I dead wrong on her in that case I will probably eat a hat.
Find the 3rd mafia inside the outlier votes on lynches that weren't going to happen EoD.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 22 2016 22:31 GMT
#463
Yay we killed a scum and why in the hell did we save mafia Day 1 o.o Okay Vig you need to claim your shot.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 22 2016 22:32 GMT
#464
To answer the question HTS it was more of a poe thing.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 22 2016 22:37 GMT
#471
On April 23 2016 07:34 Half the Sky wrote:
3/40

I'm sure Tumbleweed tried to bus here. See my posts during the nightphase tying those two together.

##vote Tumbleweed

POST 446 YOU HEARD THE ASSOCIATIVE READ FIRST

Show nested quote +
On April 23 2016 06:50 Half the Sky wrote:
30/40

Been reading. I could definitely buy into the Tumbleweed lynch and even though I think associative reads aren't great, there's a decent chance of a TW/SL team here.

305

On April 22 2016 06:47 Tumblewood wrote:
aahhhhhh FF's filter is so bad
On April 20 2016 08:58 Fecalfeast wrote:
I think the only alignment indicative thing so far is gumshoe acting like there's been anything alignment indicative so far.

2

like what is this
this is so bad
and how did I not see it earlier


310

On April 22 2016 06:54 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 22 2016 06:49 Fecalfeast wrote:
I have a bunch of posts left wanna fight about it? Why is that bad?

Bad because a) there were AI things there and b) gumshoe treats everything as if it's AI


315

On April 22 2016 06:59 Tumblewood wrote:
Voting sicklucker? I don't know why everyone switched all of a sudden.
Going now but will be back just before deadline.


386

On April 22 2016 07:29 Tumblewood wrote:
Now I'm back and kinda caught up
1 minute goes by though and there are five more posts to read
probably going to make sense of this all at eod but glad to see you all sheeping me


403

On April 22 2016 07:40 Tumblewood wrote:
NO gdi why did you all sheep me. Told you not to but you just wouldn't listen.
Shape/hts/gum on the tail end of the wagon... Usually i'd say there's one scum on the wagon but there might be two. Running out of phone battery though but will definitely be here before EoN1 (probably tonight though)


386 and 403 speak to exactly what Damdred just spoke of. I would lynch him for that.

Also here's something that might point to a TW/SL team.

On April 21 2016 14:25 Tumblewood wrote:
Phoneposting so no filter-diving for now but everyone is asking the inactives (that's me!) to at least tell where they stand so whatever.

town
Koshi for Koshi-ness
LS for defending me in a way that resonated with me (but oh no am I really the new LS)

town lean
Damdred for feeeels
TT for actually having a stance and trying, unlike the two scum games I played with him
I liked something from GB earlier and didn't dislike anything else does that count

scum lean
HtS feels unnatural to me but I don't know her meta... sources say it is just her meta but sources also scumread her so
SL for being useless but eh I'm not so into this one

null
Most people
I feel like I should have an opinion on FF but I don't


I checked timestamps Tumble makes his first call at 2247. And SL reappears at 2303. So there is a potential agenda there as to why TW called out FF and why not SL when SL was by his own admission useless.




In separate news, I read into how LS continued to push my lynch to End of Day. I am starting to think he's probably town.


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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 22 2016 22:44 GMT
#474
If anyone going to call Tumbelwood Tumbleweed at least post a Snoop Dog song.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 22 2016 23:28 GMT
#480
I honestly might have to reconsider my read on HTS and call (gasp) town mainly because sicklucker voted her with me for really bad reasons I think so it's likely that she's is town and so is Koshi due to sicklucker voting both of them. Idk TW might look worse on that flip and he could of easily bussed sl but idk man.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 23 2016 00:50 GMT
#487
On April 23 2016 09:07 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2016 07:31 LightningStrike wrote:
Yay we killed a scum and why in the hell did we save mafia Day 1 o.o Okay Vig you need to claim your shot.

Is this remark too good? I actually didn't know there were so many votes on sl till I saw that post from HTS.

Well the reasons for switching from Sicklucker to FF seemed weird tbh that why I am questioning it now.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 23 2016 03:40 GMT
#494
So TW actually breadcrumbed his role being Vig. Well that puts a spin on everything about today.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 23 2016 16:11 GMT
#511
Hey James since you are around how many mafia you think was on the FF wagon? We know 1 mafia voted off wagon like last half hour or so before EoD in Sicklucker.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 23 2016 18:09 GMT
#527
On April 24 2016 02:31 Half the Sky wrote:
11/40

EBWOP from #519,

That should have read to DYH

"I see we're on the same page with Koshi, prob not Fidei"

the filter re-reads are on my to-do list....

And LS, I'm going through your filter, you haven't really produced too much in the way of new reads or scumteam proposals.

Mind commenting on

(1) GlowingBear
(2) Koshi
(3) DYH
(4) Fidei
(5) gumshoe

With respect to voting patterns and/or generally reading them
I'm aware the associative shit might be hard so stick to the first two unless you want to crack it...

Now I really gotta roll. Really wish I wasn't so damned pressed for time these days.

I think James is town and Koshi too. James is starting to do his own work and Koshi been doing his own things and been kinda active?
DYH is null for me he haven't done to much and I being cautious with him because he buddied me so hard in Student Newbie XX at LYLO. Gumshoe's voting reasons for SL seemed weak and he didn't try to push his own case on TT who he thought was scumier but he claimed it was because his computer was acting up. I would think he would try to make a case or at least push his lynch more but he claimed TT did more stuff than him and looked better than him so :\
GB: Maybe Town? He been doing his own thing and tried to pressure people too but I can see a little bit why people having trouble with him but I don't think we should lynch him today.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 23 2016 19:20 GMT
#531
On April 24 2016 04:17 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
2327, or 3m to EoD - Town pile on FF

Fecalfeast (6) - Tumblewood, Koshi, Damdred, gumshoe, Half the Sky, Shapelog
Half the Sky (2) - LightningStrike, sicklucker
Sicklucker (1) - FecalFeast, Damdred, Shapelog, Half the Sky, gumshoe
LightningStrike (1) - Half the Sky, GlowingBear
Tumblewood (1) - Tictock
Gumshoe (1) - Fidei86
TicTock (0) - Gumshoe
Shapelog (1) - DoYouHas
Damdred (1) - Fecalfeast
DoYouHas (0) - Koshi, Tumblewood
Koshi (0) - sicklucker



HTS, why did you say "town pile on FF"

Well I not HTS but I think her reasoning is she knows she town and thinks that shape is town too thus town pile on.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 23 2016 22:03 GMT
#560
I believe that Koshi is town am I wrong on that read and if so why GB?
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 23 2016 22:41 GMT
#564
On April 24 2016 07:23 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2016 07:03 LightningStrike wrote:
I believe that Koshi is town am I wrong on that read and if so why GB?


14
I've made a whole post pointing out inconsistencies in his play and why I think he is Mafia for that. Read that one and if you still think he is town, debunk my case.

By the way, why do you think he is town again?

Koshi been doing his own thing pressuring people and been kind of active. Plus he martyr although kind of anti-town makes it more likely that he is town. In addition Koshi been lynching townies his last few games so it makes sense that he not hardcore pushing people.
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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 24 2016 17:49 GMT
#581
I honestly getting weird feels about lynching gunshoe and the fact he's fine with being lynched is very odd for a scum to do unless their name is kurumi who claimed scum to get rid of sicklucker and Superbia in Storm. But on the other hand sicklucker pile was quick and he tried to get the lynch off him which was successful on his part. Very weird feels for me about this lynch indeed.
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