So I read the entire thread and genuinely, almost nothing stuck out to me (other than the things I commented on as I was going through.) Yes, I know, that's super unhelpful and super scummy. I might take a quick break and then re-read it.
Since Koshi asked, I thought I'd take a look at gumshoe's filter to try and get myself going. The whole vote-retract on Damdred was bizarre. Damdred's posts were obviously not meant to be taken seriously. Damdred and HTS know each other, and they shit talk each other early on. But to make a case and then retract it when it receives the most cursory of push-back FROM DAMDRED suggests he just didn't believe it at all. His point on HTS was basically "she writes clearly" -- she always does that. His point on LS was confusing (scum don't try and get better in their games?). And his last two posts actually say nothing of substance, and seem to be written only with a view towards revving up Koshi.
I could vote gumshoe at this stage. I'm getting the scum-feels from TT as well. And I am very suspicious of LS for actually playing the game (I've played with this man as town a number of times, and I've seen more thought put into his last few posts than I've seen pretty much before that point).
I don't want to vote HTS this early. My reasoning is that (1) she's a good town player, I'd much rather D1 someone who isn't trying to contribute (2) she's always dispassionate (3) as scum she tends to ask more pointless questions and diverge from the sentiment of the thread. Here, she is making reasonable points that were on point as well.
ROLF you only played with me in Himalayas, Dark Tournament, and Newbie Student XX so you don't got a ton of experience with me lol. I had played a tryhard town game in Office Mini but granted it was a pm game so you wont be able to read much of that happened in discussions and stuff that wasn't in the thread there. That was probably my best game I ever played on TL Mafia hammering scum!Sicklucker in LYLO ^_^
Oh I already found scum FF, and Damdred and you plus Koshi actually shared that same read with me. By assiocation I thought you would fit due to how she was treating you but you seem better now that you are posting.
LS, regarding your followthrough with Tictock (post 137, first quote) because your filter isn't very clear, where do you (LS) stand on him now and why? You have through posts 177 and 182 responding to him, but you haven't actually said anything regarding his alignment since you scumread him for his opening salve.
@TT do you 'kind of' agree with it or do you actually agree wh it. My opening wasn't long and FF's point wasn't complicated. Not sure I see much middle ground. It seems kind of a lame agreement-but-not-really from you. But I shall read the rest of your posts / the game before deciding for sure.
I got to p7 before my swim. But all I really noticed was LS was making points. So I should re-read from the start. Which I will.
I kind-of agree with it in the sense that his point tracks, but a weak open doesn't necessarily make you mafia.
I'm not sure I'll have much time tonight for this so I think I'm going to place my vote on Tumble for now.
His opening consisted of quoting and responding to 3 posts, but really had no content to it. Just feels like a "look at me talking about stuff" kinda post. + Show Spoiler +
On April 20 2016 07:30 Koshi wrote: My vote will be on the person who I think contributed the least and will be the hardest to read town in future days.
I've been considering trying a meta like this too. Think I'm going to join you this game.
On April 20 2016 07:34 Damdred wrote: Hello I'd advise everyone but koshi to put a number in your post so that you can keep a better check on them. Koshis just awesome enough he doesn't need it.
I think we should policy lynch hts for two reasons.
We have a pretty good chance to hit scum and she is probably drinking whiskey which is her scum drink of choice.
Fight against the powers and game mod tyranny of hts by striking her down here!
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Lol Damdred.
I personally hate Plynchs in general tbh. Prob. because I like content and not luck in lynching someone lol (even though I rarely make it easy for people to read me as town via content )
Also yes, was bout to do this.
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Why do you take this opportunity to talk about plynches
On April 20 2016 09:32 Tictock wrote: Oh cool, this started already.
I'll check in later when there is stuff to read.
kinda dislike this post because he blatantly doesn't want to stir up discussion.
I give this post a 1 out of 1. There wasn't much to make out of this, but you made all you could. Well done.
Bam look at this efficiency I do in one post what you do in three Also was that gumshoe vote not a joke
His push on shape about plynches doesn't really make much sense. I just don't get why Shape saying he dislikes policy lynches is so important to Tumble, feels more like he is making something out of nothing. + Show Spoiler +
On April 20 2016 14:38 Tumblewood wrote: Shape, why did you use Damdred's obvious joke as an opportunity to discuss plynches? I know that he mentioned them, but your post was a non sequitur still. Please explain.
On April 20 2016 23:57 Tumblewood wrote: Shape is dangerously close to a "disappointing answers" scumread. HtS is throwing me off because he's (she's?) scumreading me and LS and those are the only two people I'm thinking are town so far. The arguments feel a bit stretched but so is everything at this stage. Null for now but will become a scumread if this continues.
He says:
me [Tumblewood] and LS and those are the only two people I'm thinking are town so far.
Shape- for not giving better answers to his Plynch questions? HtS - kus she is scumreading his townreads (himself and LS) Myself- Kus my first post said I would come back to the game later.
It also doesn't seem like he's reading that game too closely. His read on me is based on my first post but doesn't seem to have noticed I've made more posts than that.
Also this series of posts doesn't seem like he's reading very closly/not paying attn.
On April 20 2016 11:02 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 20 2016 10:44 GlowingBear wrote: Are you being serious right now SL?
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speaking on behalf of SL no
On April 21 2016 02:37 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 21 2016 01:48 Koshi wrote: Pure on guts I am inclined to believe LS over HTS. Rereading HTS her posts I somehow can see it coming from scum because it is pretty emotionless and at points over explained.
I also have a feeling that she can't or won't commit on a read on FF and hides after a lot of words and "lazy meta can go both ways" I am also thinking I like Tumble his last post. That actually sounds like townie reasoning. So I actually am more inclined to lynch HtS over FF atm but I am going to stick on FF. I could comment on more things I think but I don't want to be the driving force behind any conversation.
Like this post but mostly because it affirms what I was already saying. Why don't you want to be the driving force behind conversation?
On April 21 2016 02:11 GlowingBear wrote: 4 Ok since SL never answered me, I must say I don't like his posts
He has an opening calling Damdred "null" (the only thing I can understabd from bolding a name) because damdred was wasting posts. This is bad because:
1) It is impossible to have contentful posts in the beginning of the game 2) Calling someone null is saying something someone did is not alignment indicative, which means (I) he is wasting a post because he is saying nothing contributive, and (ii) he is trying to look contributive while saying nothing at all.
Wanting to lynch LS in the beginning of the game for wasting posts just reinforces this perspective
Also like this post, GB gets to be a townlean for now. Solid, original insight.
On April 21 2016 02:40 Tumblewood wrote: Actually no The post I think you're talking about-- are you sure that's serious? Could easily be a joke or to get a reaction.
##Vote: Tumblewood
This doesn't make Tumblewood scum it as if you forgot about Storm and you never read Newbie Student XX >.< I see him as a newer version of me: Hard to read for some people but given time he easier to read.
I only got a slight townlean on him I liked some of his later posting mainly he actually trying to case someone although I think he's wrong on Tumblewood though.
So I read the entire thread and genuinely, almost nothing stuck out to me (other than the things I commented on as I was going through.) Yes, I know, that's super unhelpful and super scummy. I might take a quick break and then re-read it.
Since Koshi asked, I thought I'd take a look at gumshoe's filter to try and get myself going. The whole vote-retract on Damdred was bizarre. Damdred's posts were obviously not meant to be taken seriously. Damdred and HTS know each other, and they shit talk each other early on. But to make a case and then retract it when it receives the most cursory of push-back FROM DAMDRED suggests he just didn't believe it at all. His point on HTS was basically "she writes clearly" -- she always does that. His point on LS was confusing (scum don't try and get better in their games?). And his last two posts actually say nothing of substance, and seem to be written only with a view towards revving up Koshi.
I could vote gumshoe at this stage. I'm getting the scum-feels from TT as well. And I am very suspicious of LS for actually playing the game (I've played with this man as town a number of times, and I've seen more thought put into his last few posts than I've seen pretty much before that point).
I don't want to vote HTS this early. My reasoning is that (1) she's a good town player, I'd much rather D1 someone who isn't trying to contribute (2) she's always dispassionate (3) as scum she tends to ask more pointless questions and diverge from the sentiment of the thread. Here, she is making reasonable points that were on point as well.
The bolded + the follow up on HTS is incredible good play.
Therefore I am extremely disappointed that you did nothing but attack Fidei.
On April 21 2016 07:04 Fecalfeast wrote: LS you're using so many posts just trying to discredit what people say about you rather than trying to find scum.
I haven't been scumreading FF for a while now. And this is a brilliant remark on what you did there LS.
So even though I just quoted 3 post which I liked from you LS. When I pressed enter I instantly wondered. Short and to the point scumreads are not how I remember you. So I wonder: Is this LS with TMI making reads?
On April 21 2016 07:04 Fecalfeast wrote: LS you're using so many posts just trying to discredit what people say about you rather than trying to find scum.
On April 21 2016 07:06 LightningStrike wrote: Oh I already found scum FF, and Damdred and you plus Koshi actually shared that same read with me. By assiocation I thought you would fit due to how she was treating you but you seem better now that you are posting.
irks me the wrong way. And I think you know you made a hasty post and are trying to shift attention away from you by making this post:
On April 21 2016 07:08 LightningStrike wrote: Ya it's kinda worrying that sicklucker not posting much but I always think he's scum regardless of his alignment so >.<
I will be blunt I really do almost always think he's scum regardless of his alignment even since Linux so I normally put him in the null spot unless someone actually got a good read on him. What in that first quote irked you the wrong way? Was it me being cocky because I think I dead right and that you,FF, and Damdred shared my read on HTS?
Anyways DYH haven't posted much either but I need to be careful with him because the last time I played with him he rolled scum and I thought he was town there(Student Newbie XX) so..........
On April 21 2016 07:21 Koshi wrote: It irks me the wrong way because you did not comment on the post from HTS that I found extremely townie. And even though you know I really liked that post and am willing to townread her.
You still scumread her without hesitation and use my name to legitimize your scumread on HTS. Which is really odd to do.
She can put up effort as scum even when she was sick in Void mafia and in Newbie LX. I seen her do that kind of stuff as scum so that why I didn't comment on it. I also trying to trust my reads more than other people's regarding my scumreads so seeing people thinking the same way makes me more confident about my read. Like talk to Tina and Lex after this game or hell check post game of Newbie Student XX about me needing to trust my reads more.
This was what I was refering to Koshi incase you don't know where to look:
On April 16 2016 08:22 LightningStrike wrote: Well gg idk if I would of caught DYH. I should of trusted my RB read more before the lex lynch :/
Context: I had thought RB was scum prior the lynch of Mafia!Lex and I dropped my read on RB there due to seeing a association with a different player and unfortunately lost because of it.
On April 21 2016 07:21 Koshi wrote: It irks me the wrong way because you did not comment on the post from HTS that I found extremely townie. And even though you know I really liked that post and am willing to townread her.
You still scumread her without hesitation and use my name to legitimize your scumread on HTS. Which is really odd to do.
She can put up effort as scum even when she was sick in Void mafia and in Newbie LX. I seen her do that kind of stuff as scum so that why I didn't comment on it. I also trying to trust my reads more than other people's regarding my scumreads so seeing people thinking the same way makes me more confident about my read. Like talk to Tina and Lex after this game or hell check post game of Newbie Student XX about me needing to trust my reads more.
There's effort and quality of effort. I'll bring up LX since you are, and you should remember it well as I got you mislynched. That game, I had an agenda, I was squarely on you and Binks, the mislynches we needed to win the game. I ignored my scumbuddies, especially my roleblocker. Here, I'm not leaving any stone unturned, and I believe this is why Koshi saw townieness in that post (presumably) at least bringing attention to those under the radar.
Here's another question for you LS - let's say I lose the plot tonight and get modkilled. I will flip town. Whom would you vote for then? I asked you about your only other scumread Tictock, and now you are townreading him (190).
So I flip town, where do you go from here?
(Damdred, same question for you since I'm your most likely vote, please.)
Yes that why I mentions Newbie LX. You did put a read to celestial here:
On January 06 2015 00:48 Half the Sky wrote: Thought I said it in the post before my reads...Celestial is reading town to me although based on meta, I feel he is off target on Rasputin.
If you flip town I will case the case the host under the guidance that he gave you the wrong role pm.+ Show Spoiler +
Joking ofc but if I wrong on you idk honestly will recheck filters tomorrow closer to lynch time
On April 21 2016 07:21 Koshi wrote: It irks me the wrong way because you did not comment on the post from HTS that I found extremely townie. And even though you know I really liked that post and am willing to townread her.
You still scumread her without hesitation and use my name to legitimize your scumread on HTS. Which is really odd to do.
She can put up effort as scum even when she was sick in Void mafia and in Newbie LX. I seen her do that kind of stuff as scum so that why I didn't comment on it. I also trying to trust my reads more than other people's regarding my scumreads so seeing people thinking the same way makes me more confident about my read. Like talk to Tina and Lex after this game or hell check post game of Newbie Student XX about me needing to trust my reads more.
The bolded comes over like a story you just made up to narrate my suspicion on you. I can understand why you meta wise still scumread HTS after she made that post, but I don't understand why you don't tell me that HTS could still be mafia after I made it clear I townread her for it.
And the fact you made the post about HTS being mafia was triggered by FF saying you discredit a lot of people and are not looking for mafia. And you scumreading HTS still doesn't explain why you used my name to legitimize your scumread on HTS. It also feel like you kinda spewed both Damdred and Koshi town by saying. "I had the same read as Koshi and Damdred, so fuck off" Which is not exactly what you said but it felt like that.
I am also somewhat puzzled by the fact you are not trying to save your posts. You are just blatantly spamming and I don't think that is very townie of you. You must understand that your posts become more valuable the closer to the deadline.
Anyway LS, I will probably follow Damdred his read on you. Please try to keep good track of your posts and don't let me baffle you too much.
Also, if you really believe HTS is mafia. Make sure you have good long and solid posts left near deadline on why she is mafia. Because we will need solid posts to lynch her. I just read HTS her posts and she brings up a really good point that I also wanted to bring up but didn't. You close your eyes to the quality of that post.
Here is a example post that actually got her townread a little bit in Newbie LX where she was scum:
On January 05 2015 22:14 Half the Sky wrote: JarJarBinks, you had said on the previous page that you "would read and stuff". You post again now, saying "reading is hard."
I'll be honest, even if you were sarcastic there, you don't look good to me right now either because you don't give me the impression you want to scumhunt. Even with your computer broken, as you say, you still put in a few sentences on how you feel.
Your response to ExO indicates you are otherwise caught up on the thread, so aside from your question to him, why not a few lines on what you think of the 2 1/2 pages since beginning?
On January 06 2015 09:44 -Celestial- wrote: Out of interest what are your current scumreads in addition to Shining? And what about the recent read on LS?
JJB was another one now, based on his lack of interest in scumhunting, even though he had appeared to read the thread on mobile. My sentiment ironically is only further supported by his latest post.
Tubesock was one individual that I want to see step it up, because based on the Carol mafia game, I am aware of what he's capable of. I do not like how he used the D1 excuse, however, at the time he originally said that it was still fairly early in D1, I did not scumread him at that time because it was early. Now we are about halfway through D1 and there's a load of content to answer to and for.
Regarding the recent read on LS, I see where ExO is coming from with all the town reads, though I am not sure I agree with some aspects of his argument. For example, I'm not sure I entirely agree with LS not scum hunting, since he is asking questions (some of which are going unanswered). However, in his thoughts on Shining I am trying to follow the logic on his read:
On January 05 2015 23:50 LightningStrike wrote: The Shining: Town for now since she asking some questions and looks like she trying to figure this game out but again I need more posts from him to confirm my thoughts of him being town.
On January 06 2015 06:10 LightningStrike wrote: Also the drive by posting by Shining I think if Shining doesn't follow up on that then I could definitely see Shining as Scum but for now null I guess.
And then after Shining posts on his return, LS posts this:
On January 06 2015 08:35 LightningStrike wrote: As I said I needed more posts on some people to figure out their alignment and I had a null read on Shining on the stuff earlier but now it changed to town after his last post on this page.
To me, the progression in LS's reads isn't entirely clear. He has a lot of town reads, yes, but even more important, how he gets to them, especially when others may have contrasting views, is what needs some explanation.
Proves she can put some good effort posts as scum.
On April 21 2016 13:40 DoYouHas wrote: I can see the scumminess in his reaction to HtS and in his opening. However,
@LS - What is your read on TT? You went out of your way to defend TW after TT's voting post. Do you have a better reason to scum HtS other than she is pushing you and is capable of a high-effort scum game?
I do got a town lean on TT for actually trying case someone but I think he's wrong on TW. For my reasons for scumreading HTS:
On April 20 2016 23:49 LightningStrike wrote: I also starting to think HTS is scum because she picking a easy target history wise in me and she just saw me play in cell as scum so if she is mafia she got a perfect opportunity to do it here.
On April 20 2016 23:52 LightningStrike wrote: I voting HTS for now as she is likely mafia looking for a easy target even considering our history together she knows I normally am lynchbait as town.
Other than I know she put high effort as scum and even post townie posts as scum and yes me and HTS had played maybe 10 games together. Other than that she also soft defended FF without actually dropping a read on him.
Sorry for my inactivity guys. RL excuses. I have some time now for a little while, but chances are I won't be around at EOD / or at least I'll get home just around then.
@LS are you really saying that the only reason you're scum reading HTS is because she's pushing you and because you consider yourself an easy target? What about the other people who are pushing you (Koshi, for example)?
Koshi isn't really pushing me as hard as HTS, HTS knows I a easy target to pick on if she's scum(which I think she is) she also didn't really give much of a read on FF when she defended him vs Koshi(I don't think she really gave a read still to this point unless I missing it).
Sorry for my inactivity guys. RL excuses. I have some time now for a little while, but chances are I won't be around at EOD / or at least I'll get home just around then.
@LS are you really saying that the only reason you're scum reading HTS is because she's pushing you and because you consider yourself an easy target? What about the other people who are pushing you (Koshi, for example)?
Koshi isn't really pushing me as hard as HTS, HTS knows I a easy target to pick on if she's scum(which I think she is) she also didn't really give much of a read on FF when she defended him vs Koshi(I don't think she really gave a read still to this point unless I missing it).
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Buddy, I'm starting to think that the universe is playing a cruel joke on me. Every game we play together we're both town (pretty much). Every game I am utterly convinced that you are scum, and you never are.
But this is so bad. I have argued in previous games that people were pushing you questionably because you are an easy lynch. But in this game you've actually made points and arguments and generally playing a lot better than you have before. Nobody else (other than me) has accused you of being an easy lynch. And HTS' read on FF? Yeah, Koshi's point was fine. HTS elaborated a lot on a null read. But lots of people don't have reads on lots of people. Fuck, I barely have reads on anyone (and I'm town), but you haven't called me out on it.
Are you saying there's an association between FF and HTS?
The thing is, I don't think you're dumb enough as mafia to get into a shitfight with HTS this early on. You *know* she's probably a top 5 player on the site, and she always catches you. Unless you're being smart and trying to throw her radar off by going on the offensive.
Ugh.
Can people start saying who they plan to vote for? Right now I could lynch SL (inactivity), gumshoe or GB. I don't have the town feels about anyone in particular, but I can't see myself voting for either Koshi or HTS, if only because they've been active and coherent, and voting particularly active people off when my reads are as weak as they are seems dumb.
If FF is scum it would be with HTS but right now FF could be town for now. To be fair you didn't even post much so there was no substance really. I actually put HTS as probably only in the Top 15(above me) but only probably #6 for scum(lex, Damdred, Palmar,Rels, and Tina are higher than her as scum players). In our history I had shown be a lynchbait as town hence my argument. I going to not post that much until towards EoD due to not having a lot of posts left.
On April 21 2016 22:44 LightningStrike wrote: Rolf she just claimed scum gfuys. There is always one scum within me and HTS. HTS I challenge you to a 1v1 Death Match winner takes all this phase.
And you refuse to answer the question again. If the Duel mechanic were available I'd 100% have done it. But since it's not I'll ask the question YET AGAIN.
Assume Artanis and/or Hapahauli modkill me. I will flip town. There are three mafia in this game. Even if I'm mafia in your eyes there have to be two more mafia and your hesitance to name them is quite troubling. You were given multiple chances to answer this question and I'm not terribly impressed by using the post count excuse to defer on the question especially when Artanis has given a posting bonus in the ultimate hour of the cycle.
Does anyone else get the sense that TT really doesn't believe his push on Tumble? I mean, it's not like Tumble has said anything particularly egregious. The whole thing made me feel like TT wanted to find a target and so just pulled things out of every post Tumble made and span them negatively.
I called this into question last night. I wanted him to explain that as well.
Koshi - read Shapelog's filter and tell me that DYH's conclusion on him isn't reasonable. He has ZERO concrete reads. Talking about himself doesn't make him scum but the argument that Shape isn't doing or saying anything alignment related with his posts is pretty spot on. I was hoping I'd have seen some clarification after I AFKed but not much in the way of that either.
The caveat on Damdred is reasonable.
My only concern with DYH is he's not commented on some of the others - at the very least I figured he could have weighed in on LS. There are a couple of other reasons why I think DYH could have posted the way he did but I want to see a bit more out of him.
Tumbleweed
I noticed you are townreading Tictock for more or less effort. However, Tictock has put effort into his games as scum. Reference Holy Guardians Chapter 1 - he carried the scum team there, and The Nutcracker game - he was putting in quite a bit of effort until the DT redchecked him in mylo.
If you not mafia maybe DYH he did buddied me very hard in Newbie Student XX and I am cautious about him this game. If I wrong on anyone it would TW but I really doubt it because I did push him for the same reasons you were pushing him when he was town. + Show Spoiler +
On April 22 2016 01:06 GlowingBear wrote: How much time do we have until deadline?
Just south of 6h15. 2330 BST, you're what, 2-3 hours behind?
Tictock any thoughts on Damdred?
Also re: your point on Tumbleweed, I would make the argument newer players really shouldn't be metaing people after a paltry 2 games played but I digress. This was Tumbleweed's post among a few defending LS:
Tumbleweed, on the basis you townread LS (and I argued why it was poor), why couldn't that same critieria also come from mafia?
That is mainly what I was trying to get at. I feel the bases for all his reads are pretty weak and I just don't know if that's his style (which you are contending) or whether he's actually mafia, the posts seem scummy to me.
Also regarding post 134, the inset is part of the reason I scumread LS, double standard. Also just because I vote someone doesn't mean it's final. If I have reason to second guess my thinking or I find a better lynch I can always unvote.
I think it's townie because that's the kind of post scum just ignores. After playing Storm and XX with him, I don't really scumread him for having bad reasons for his reads, because that seems to be NAI for him.
....which by my interpretation seems to incorporate some meta into it.
LS looks worse with every post IMO - and in response to his point about LS defending him - scum are very perfectly capable of defending townies when it suits their agenda.
I'm still looking at others in the event we need to consolidate - the votes are a shambles right now with 6h15 to go - but LS is my top lynch pick. By far.
Fidei had the issue with you possibly taking the Tumbleweed posts out of context. The posts you quoted earlier I didn't think were problematic.
I looking worse and worse to you because I pushing for your lynch so obviously you want to put more suspicion on me over you Half the Scum. Like you will end up like this white guy in this: wrote:[/B] Huzzah, town this time.
It amuses me to see you all worried at the cap. To you it is a limit to be minded. To me it is a aspiration . You are all merely adopting low activity for a game. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see spam till I was nearly a man and by then it was naught to me but fluff.
- Gumshoe is overplaying the jokes with Koshi and Damdred.[/QUOTE]
you assume I meant it as a joke : P
I didnt like how Damdred made an identical filler post twice,
I think we should policy lynch hts for two reasons.
We have a pretty good chance to hit scum and she is probably drinking whiskey which is her scum drink of choice.
Fight against the powers and game mod tyranny of hts by striking her down here
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he then wasted a second post saying the same thing / :
Listen guys I just want to make Teamliquid great again.
A vote for hts is a vote for freedom.
I want to build a wall between this town and scum. So let's go.
I came into to this game looking for a specific kind of post from scum early. It would fill two cirterias.
1: it would be fluff (policy lynch)
2: it would be the kind of posts that draw in responses
drawing towns attention to a policy lynch based off joke reasons fits these 2 criteria, the goal of which is to burn posts from multiple townies concerning shit that is unreadable.
Also the serious questions in my first post to him are jokes, not because I meant them jokingly, but because the questions do not get meaningful answers, whereas the vote can actually get good responses.
so yeah, the vote was as series a vote as one can make on page 2 of a game of mafia.
the joke was a truth and the questions lead only to lies / :
also seeing damdred act a little forced at the start reminded me of this,
the reason I want to go is because I think playing with different players elsewhere will get me out of this laxy funk I am in to some degree.
It would force me to play against players who don't know my meta and where I can't skate by on reputation.
shrug its a bit just for me instead of the community and I won't stand in the way of koshi either and I'll try to just work through some of the things I've talked through with some people.
(his reasoning for wanting to go to champions) I figure his current mindset is pushing him to make bigger plays as ether faction than he would typically.
new section- why gumshoe is wrong.
1: How else are people supposed to get stuff rolling aside from filler?-answer- meh
2: Why would damdred sweep into defend you if hes scum? answer-wifom? Yeah does seem like that was a good opportunity to pounce.
3: why didnt you bring this all up right away? - wanted to see how people would respond. not disappointed.
4: Whats wrong with trying hard? you do it all the time (except when you dont) -answer- meh
5: arent you wrong like six times a game gumshoe? -answer- shut up, this heres the one, gonna catch em all day 1 : P
overall case stability-3/10[/QUOTE]
Clearly a post to get discussion going. Town points.
On April 20 2016 08:41 Damdred wrote: It's not easy ring posts if I am putting reads into the game or was entering the game.
While it's true that scum like wasting posts so they do not have to post later in the phase I am probably doing half in the first then do 10 and saving 15 near eod. A post restrictive game doesn't have to be a dead game.
SL is obviously null
Town on gumshoe and on dyh (tentative on both for halfway meh reasons)
LS is sort of in the bottom half of null bordering on a scum lean. He entered the game bringing nothing new but rehashed something someone else said and making it look worse than it was. He could be scum.
admittedly it's not a very good case on you / : I'm just gonna assume I was flat out wrong,
You expressed an opinion about Plynching and then joke-scummed Damdred. The opinion has nothing to do with Damdred, he just prompted it.
Gum asked Damd to give him a reason to think HTS was more likely to be scum for real. Then, after his question is blown off with another joke, goes back to a joking tone and vote. It is the shift from a pressuring tone back to a joking tone for no reason that caught my eye.
Long explanation for a small feeling, but whatever.
this is about the opportunism I was expecting / : but it's not very strong and it doesn't feel like hes baiting someone else in to come after me, just posting his feels.
slight townie read
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Bad backtracking. Do you want or you don't want to have discussion ongoing? It makes me feel you actually wanted to justify your vote to LS instead of just pushing a discussion further. Townie points taken away. Null leaning to scum.
On April 20 2016 08:58 Fecalfeast wrote: I think the only alignment indicative thing so far is gumshoe acting like there's been anything alignment indicative so far.
I am only here to learn the ways of the low count poster. Well, I guess I am already failing, but w/e.
What is different between what I did, and what Gumshoe did?
I dont like how shape tries to bunch me and him together in turns of our posts. Likes hes defending himself through defending me, proxy wars op
slight scum lean.
Is this a joke? If it is a joke, you're wasting posts, something you called Damdred out for. Now if you're trying to develop discussion, you're just throwing suspicons everywhere, which isn't really great to be honest. One thing is to find something weak and suspicious and push it mostly for the sake of discussion. Other thing is to put suspicions everywhere, which is really easy to do as mafia. I don't like you in this game, gumshoe :/
- Tumblewood
On April 20 2016 14:38 Tumblewood wrote: Shape, why did you use Damdred's obvious joke as an opportunity to discuss plynches? I know that he mentioned them, but your post was a non sequitur still. Please explain.
I like this questioning very much. Townie points.[/spoiler]
This is the best I could do. It's from the very beginning of the game. I couldn't go further.
Basically, from what I've read, I'm at this point:
Damdred DYH Tumblewood
gumshoe LightningStrike
[/QUOTE] Look at the stuff later on why I thought gumshoe is town after a while >.<
On April 22 2016 01:06 GlowingBear wrote: How much time do we have until deadline?
Just south of 6h15. 2330 BST, you're what, 2-3 hours behind?
Tictock any thoughts on Damdred?
Also re: your point on Tumbleweed, I would make the argument newer players really shouldn't be metaing people after a paltry 2 games played but I digress. This was Tumbleweed's post among a few defending LS:
On April 21 2016 01:36 Tumblewood wrote:
On April 21 2016 00:50 Half the Sky wrote: 6/40
Shapelog, I'll rephrase the question.
Tumbleweed, on the basis you townread LS (and I argued why it was poor), why couldn't that same critieria also come from mafia?
That is mainly what I was trying to get at. I feel the bases for all his reads are pretty weak and I just don't know if that's his style (which you are contending) or whether he's actually mafia, the posts seem scummy to me.
Also regarding post 134, the inset is part of the reason I scumread LS, double standard. Also just because I vote someone doesn't mean it's final. If I have reason to second guess my thinking or I find a better lynch I can always unvote.
I think it's townie because that's the kind of post scum just ignores. After playing Storm and XX with him, I don't really scumread him for having bad reasons for his reads, because that seems to be NAI for him.
....which by my interpretation seems to incorporate some meta into it.
LS looks worse with every post IMO - and in response to his point about LS defending him - scum are very perfectly capable of defending townies when it suits their agenda.
I'm still looking at others in the event we need to consolidate - the votes are a shambles right now with 6h15 to go - but LS is my top lynch pick. By far.
Fidei had the issue with you possibly taking the Tumbleweed posts out of context. The posts you quoted earlier I didn't think were problematic.
I looking worse and worse to you because I pushing for your lynch so obviously you want to put more suspicion on me over you Half the Scum. Like you will end up like this white guy in this:
On April 20 2016 07:34 Damdred wrote: Hello I'd advise everyone but koshi to put a number in your post so that you can keep a better check on them. Koshis just awesome enough he doesn't need it.
I think we should policy lynch hts for two reasons.
We have a pretty good chance to hit scum and she is probably drinking whiskey which is her scum drink of choice.
Fight against the powers and game mod tyranny of hts by striking her down here!
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Awkward jokes from Damdred gives me scumvibes. Yet, this is illogical so I will just put this as NAI. Still, it's relevant for me to say I don't like this opening.
On April 20 2016 08:11 DoYouHas wrote: You expressed an opinion about Plynching and then joke-scummed Damdred. The opinion has nothing to do with Damdred, he just prompted it.
Gum asked Damd to give him a reason to think HTS was more likely to be scum for real. Then, after his question is blown off with another joke, goes back to a joking tone and vote. It is the shift from a pressuring tone back to a joking tone for no reason that caught my eye.
Long explanation for a small feeling, but whatever.
This is actually a towny type thought dyh Ca do the town pile for now.
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Same reaction I had to DYH post, which makes me think Damdred is likely to be town.
On April 20 2016 08:41 Damdred wrote: It's not easy ring posts if I am putting reads into the game or was entering the game.
While it's true that scum like wasting posts so they do not have to post later in the phase I am probably doing half in the first then do 10 and saving 15 near eod. A post restrictive game doesn't have to be a dead game.
SL is obviously null
Town on gumshoe and on dyh (tentative on both for halfway meh reasons)
LS is sort of in the bottom half of null bordering on a scum lean. He entered the game bringing nothing new but rehashed something someone else said and making it look worse than it was. He could be scum.
Again, same reaction as me. Damdred is most likely town.
DoYouHas
On April 20 2016 08:11 DoYouHas wrote: You expressed an opinion about Plynching and then joke-scummed Damdred. The opinion has nothing to do with Damdred, he just prompted it.
Gum asked Damd to give him a reason to think HTS was more likely to be scum for real. Then, after his question is blown off with another joke, goes back to a joking tone and vote. It is the shift from a pressuring tone back to a joking tone for no reason that caught my eye.
Long explanation for a small feeling, but whatever.
This post stroke me as town. I like the analysis DYH, it felt genuine and it's actually an okay suspicion.
- LightningStrike
On April 20 2016 08:18 LightningStrike wrote: I finally got my prayers answered by RNGJesus and it got me town for the first time in a Lex game. I do fin the vote by gum kinda weird due to his reasoning. His rerasonig is pretty saying he doesn't want a Donald Trump in this game although I don't blame it might happen :\
I don't like this post from LS because it's clearly he got it was a joke from Damdred, then gumshoe's vote must also be a vote. It shouldn't be suspicious. Leaning scum.
On April 20 2016 08:41 Damdred wrote: It's not easy ring posts if I am putting reads into the game or was entering the game.
While it's true that scum like wasting posts so they do not have to post later in the phase I am probably doing half in the first then do 10 and saving 15 near eod. A post restrictive game doesn't have to be a dead game.
SL is obviously null
Town on gumshoe and on dyh (tentative on both for halfway meh reasons)
LS is sort of in the bottom half of null bordering on a scum lean. He entered the game bringing nothing new but rehashed something someone else said and making it look worse than it was. He could be scum.
I was just being blunt on what I thought thought Gumshoe had said and I was making it a tiny bit of a fun joke because I hate trump myself but his supporters are even worse :\ Anyways Gumshoe is likely town based on my only game playing with him in Storm with his style of posting matching his style of posting here. I really don't think a scum gumshoe would vote anyone this early in the game and breaking down a case like that.
Wow, suddenly gumshoe is likely town. After you were suspicious of his vote. A quick shift from the original suspicion. I don't like it.
On April 20 2016 08:00 DoYouHas wrote: Huzzah, town this time.
It amuses me to see you all worried at the cap. To you it is a limit to be minded. To me it is a aspiration . You are all merely adopting low activity for a game. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see spam till I was nearly a man and by then it was naught to me but fluff.
- Gumshoe is overplaying the jokes with Koshi and Damdred.
you assume I meant it as a joke : P
I didnt like how Damdred made an identical filler post twice,
Listen guys I just want to make Teamliquid great again.
A vote for hts is a vote for freedom.
I want to build a wall between this town and scum. So let's go.
I came into to this game looking for a specific kind of post from scum early. It would fill two cirterias.
1: it would be fluff (policy lynch)
2: it would be the kind of posts that draw in responses
drawing towns attention to a policy lynch based off joke reasons fits these 2 criteria, the goal of which is to burn posts from multiple townies concerning shit that is unreadable.
Also the serious questions in my first post to him are jokes, not because I meant them jokingly, but because the questions do not get meaningful answers, whereas the vote can actually get good responses.
so yeah, the vote was as series a vote as one can make on page 2 of a game of mafia.
the joke was a truth and the questions lead only to lies / :
also seeing damdred act a little forced at the start reminded me of this,
the reason I want to go is because I think playing with different players elsewhere will get me out of this laxy funk I am in to some degree.
It would force me to play against players who don't know my meta and where I can't skate by on reputation.
shrug its a bit just for me instead of the community and I won't stand in the way of koshi either and I'll try to just work through some of the things I've talked through with some people.
(his reasoning for wanting to go to champions) I figure his current mindset is pushing him to make bigger plays as ether faction than he would typically.
new section- why gumshoe is wrong.
1: How else are people supposed to get stuff rolling aside from filler?-answer- meh
2: Why would damdred sweep into defend you if hes scum? answer-wifom? Yeah does seem like that was a good opportunity to pounce.
3: why didnt you bring this all up right away? - wanted to see how people would respond. not disappointed.
4: Whats wrong with trying hard? you do it all the time (except when you dont) -answer- meh
5: arent you wrong like six times a game gumshoe? -answer- shut up, this heres the one, gonna catch em all day 1 : P
overall case stability-3/10
Clearly a post to get discussion going. Town points.
On April 20 2016 08:41 Damdred wrote: It's not easy ring posts if I am putting reads into the game or was entering the game.
While it's true that scum like wasting posts so they do not have to post later in the phase I am probably doing half in the first then do 10 and saving 15 near eod. A post restrictive game doesn't have to be a dead game.
SL is obviously null
Town on gumshoe and on dyh (tentative on both for halfway meh reasons)
LS is sort of in the bottom half of null bordering on a scum lean. He entered the game bringing nothing new but rehashed something someone else said and making it look worse than it was. He could be scum.
admittedly it's not a very good case on you / : I'm just gonna assume I was flat out wrong,
You expressed an opinion about Plynching and then joke-scummed Damdred. The opinion has nothing to do with Damdred, he just prompted it.
Gum asked Damd to give him a reason to think HTS was more likely to be scum for real. Then, after his question is blown off with another joke, goes back to a joking tone and vote. It is the shift from a pressuring tone back to a joking tone for no reason that caught my eye.
Long explanation for a small feeling, but whatever.
this is about the opportunism I was expecting / : but it's not very strong and it doesn't feel like hes baiting someone else in to come after me, just posting his feels.
slight townie read
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Bad backtracking. Do you want or you don't want to have discussion ongoing? It makes me feel you actually wanted to justify your vote to LS instead of just pushing a discussion further. Townie points taken away. Null leaning to scum.
On April 20 2016 08:58 Fecalfeast wrote: I think the only alignment indicative thing so far is gumshoe acting like there's been anything alignment indicative so far.
I am only here to learn the ways of the low count poster. Well, I guess I am already failing, but w/e.
What is different between what I did, and what Gumshoe did?
I dont like how shape tries to bunch me and him together in turns of our posts. Likes hes defending himself through defending me, proxy wars op
slight scum lean.
Is this a joke? If it is a joke, you're wasting posts, something you called Damdred out for. Now if you're trying to develop discussion, you're just throwing suspicons everywhere, which isn't really great to be honest. One thing is to find something weak and suspicious and push it mostly for the sake of discussion. Other thing is to put suspicions everywhere, which is really easy to do as mafia. I don't like you in this game, gumshoe :/
- Tumblewood
On April 20 2016 14:38 Tumblewood wrote: Shape, why did you use Damdred's obvious joke as an opportunity to discuss plynches? I know that he mentioned them, but your post was a non sequitur still. Please explain.
I like this questioning very much. Townie points.
This is the best I could do. It's from the very beginning of the game. I couldn't go further.
Basically, from what I've read, I'm at this point:
Damdred DYH Tumblewood gumshoe LightningStrike
Look at the stuff later on why I thought gumshoe is town after a while >.<
Post 1 of 5 for EoD due to having only 4 postd left for the night:
On April 22 2016 05:48 Damdred wrote: Also the vote count looks exceptionally nasty.
I don't think ls or hts should,be up for lynch today. Especially ls hrs been one towny mother fuckers this game.
Koshis is never scum here I think so SL is voting someone who he thinks is probably town but doesn't care another scum point.
Tt and did really aren't pushing as hard as I thought.
Any way I think we need to get this down a bit more to a couple wagons to,get real,information instead of so spread out doing whatever we want.
And no ls no lynching hts today maybe tommorow, hoe she's randomly dropping names to see if people think they ate scum bothers me.
Anyway.
You know you want to lynch her since she is the active mafia. Just do it!
Anyways GB's reasoning for calling me scum is kinda meh it just stuff from the start of the game hopefully he will catch up. I can consolidate on other candidates if you give me a case on them.
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