A normal game just for JAT <3

On April 16 2016 04:57 Onegu wrote:



This

She forgot me in her list post. Means she is scum 100000000%

Also people saying they can meta read me are scum. Gumshoe. Rels, Rsoultin.

THere is your team. Thank you well played onegu.

On April 17 2016 05:03 Onegu wrote:
Im kinda around but out of my head on pain meds so dont expect to much

On April 17 2016 05:03 Onegu wrote:
Im kinda around but out of my head on pain meds so dont expect to much

On April 17 2016 07:07 justanothertownie wrote:

Vig shoot this guy.

On April 18 2016 03:28 Onegu wrote:



You all jumped on him for this post.





But this is a genuine scumslip. He tries to correct himself in the next post when he realized what he did but yeah scumslip.

On April 17 2016 07:06 Superbia wrote:
Meh. I'm VT too. =/

Should've lynched TW..

On April 17 2016 07:07 Superbia wrote:


You're honestly the dumbest town player ever.

On April 18 2016 06:50 Onegu wrote:
Just got my son to sleep for his nap.

Why arent we talking more about the scumslip I found?

Onegu,

can I get your reads on the following players

licker

obi

fazzers

palmer.

On April 19 2016 14:48 sicklucker wrote:
like your just going to have to trust me. hes not the doctor

On April 19 2016 09:16 gumshoe wrote:


read onegus filter in vannila mafia

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/496215-mini-mafia-the-kinda-vanilla-experience

super trolly, super duper useless.

On April 19 2016 21:28 Onegu wrote:
^ I dont actually think rsoul is scum

(Onegu slaps his hand)

I mean she is scum 100% and should be lynched day 1 every game because she rolls scum 100% of the time every game.

Also since when is activity a tell for me?

On April 17 2016 07:07 justanothertownie wrote:

Vig shoot this guy.

On April 19 2016 22:47 Onegu wrote:



Here he scumslips that JAT is town.

On April 20 2016 20:26 Onegu wrote:



Me? Nope. Just this is like the 3rd person in the last few months with scumslips... Other than that I got nothing.

On December 30 2015 23:27 Fidei86 wrote:
I have re-read the game from the start (yay no work!) and here is where my head is at at the moment. The reads are generally ordered from towniest to scummiest.

Town

Irishbound - I liked that from the outset he considered a wide range of players (see #408). Although I am null-y on Scott, it is hard to fault Irish's reasoning. Moreover, the fact that he has been on Scott for his posts, rather than some of the other low activity players (eg Onegu, Gigya) suggests that he's scum-hunting rather than looking for an easy out. Finally, I thought that his read on me was honest and the fact that he asked Alex for guidance (at #416) felt like a genuine cry for help.

Shapelog - I really, really don't like Shape's approach to posting. Spam posting like he does is a pretty effective mafia tactic to confuse the thread and dissuade people from reading their filter. HOWEVER, I note that he had more than a page of filter in pre-game. Moreover, his posting has struck me more as someone who wants to play the game and is impatient with everyone else (see eg #232). That, to me, is something that a relatively new player would find difficult to replicate as mafia. I also liked him criticising GB for giving him a town read at #302 - as mafia it's much easier just to take the read and pocket it rather than challenge it. Finally, his list post at #448 covered all the bases for a town list post for me.

The Cow - I am a sucker for people who post infrequently but give detailed reads and thoughts. His read on me seemed very genuine and is actually something I agree with, in that I struggle to condense my thoughts down as far as I would like, and I tend to focus on ephemera (tone, overall posting strategy) rather than digging down into the weeds of detail. I like that he comes in with strong reads on Scott and Kmatt, then follows them up with helpful questions. I think most people (myself included) have been giving Irish a free-pass so far, so it's very useful to have someone sense-checking that as well.

Null

Mderg - I like his pressuring on Noon/Kush as well regarding D1. Someone said in the thread earlier that they lynch scum 60% of games D1. I don't think it's that high for me, but mderg is right that a successful d1 lynch for town reaaaaally fucks scum. He has a couple of short posts that give interesting insight (eg #376), but generally he seems pretty focussed on pushing his kush / GB association without looking wider than that.

Alex/NM - Alex pointed out in an earlier post that my read on Scott was based on playing with him only as town. Fair enough. My reads on Alex are coloured by the same thing - we've been town together twice. He is doing his usual prodding / poking and asking lots of questions. One concern I have is that I see the progression for his Scott read, and his GB read seems to be foreshadowed at #391, but I'm not sure he really has given any particular read on Kush/Noon to date? I agree with the read, but I'm not sure how he got there.

GB - I have played with GB a fair few times before, but he plays differently every time and I usually rely on others to give a good read on him. Here, he has really given out town reads with very little supporting evidence (he 'liked' Alex's opening at (#195), when that was a JOKE OPENING!), and then placed a vote on Kmatt without explanation (#333). As an experienced player, this sort of high-read / low-analysis approach would be easily explained as either lazy/distracted town or mafia. Someone said that GB is in another game at the moment, so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now. There are definitely better lynches today.

Kmatt - The big red flag for me here is what others have already pointed out - he seems very reluctant to give reads. That is understandable for a new player in his first game (#383). He does make an interesting point on GB that I kinda agree with (#197 - GB trying to buddy up to the thread). I think there are a lot of better lynches than Kmatt, but he's definitely someone to look back at if he doesn't start firming things up through D2.

Scott - This is ugh. I think I'm actually better qualified than most people to read Scott, given that we've played three games together and I have given him a lot of attention in each. Yes, he and I have been town in each. HOWEVER, as I said before he has a number of different playstyles that seem to accord to how busy he is. And this is probably a mean thing to say, but I don't think he switches it up to keep his meta clean and I'm not sure he could. All that said, his content is totally garbage. He has had garbage content before as town. His read on Noon ("why would he TR me going against thread sentiment") is utterly idiotic, mostly because at that point there wasn't much thread sentiment against Scott AND because Noon's read was obviously weak. I don't want to jump straight onto Scott today because I think there are better lynches, and because (unlike others) he is very capable of coming back into the thread and being useful.

Scum

Gigya - He has a filter almost totally devoid of reads. His one TR is Irish (#214) but at the same time in his post at #192 he actually says that as Irish is experienced, the post could have been faked. ???. He also suspects GB for his "matter of fact town read", even though he agrees with it? The only thing keeping this from moving into policy is that he has a couple of posts where he talks about non-game stuff (#225, #228). If you have time to do that, you have time to play as well. This is how newbie mafia play, imo.

Noon/Kush - This whole filter makes me want to facepalm. He TRs Scott for saying he could "possibly jump" on someone else's read. WTF? I just don't understand this read at all - mafia are the ones who are going to hedge and give weak reads, not town. He then goes into a day-long "woe is me, D1 is so hard" stupor, which is (a) totally destructive to town, and (b) effective at hiding his thoughts on the game. Having said that, he then seems to basically mindlessly sheep GB onto his read onto Kmatt. I also don't follow his point about NM and KMatt whiteknighting, since a bunch of other people also came into the thread to say that timestamp analysis wasn't helpful. He then also prods a bunch of people into giving reads, despite the fact that he himself has given almost no content.

Policy

Onegu - Please all think of a world where we get to LYLO or LYLO-1 and Onegu still hasn't said anything, still hasn't been modkilled and still hasn't been lynched. He does this EVERY GAME HE PLAYS. And it is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE for town to win if it gets that far, because he is a total coin-flip and the easiest ML in the world. His content is totally absent.

I'm going to vote Gigya for now, but I'd consolidate onto Onegu or Kush if necessary later.

##Vote -- Gigya

On April 21 2016 07:49 justanothertownie wrote:
Cool. So I am almost definitely lynching into this pool today: JAS/Tumble/Onegu/SL
Only have to find out which one I want to live the least later.

On April 22 2016 21:24 Onegu wrote:



Nope watching ESL and just checking in every once and a while.

Are you scum?

On April 23 2016 03:18 Onegu wrote:



I use life excuses in town games, I am disabled and have a disabled son shit comes up. Like dont use meta, you are bad at it if you are town or you are just making up reads for the fun of it as scum. You have tried to make multiple meta reads on me this game going from town, to sucm to town to scum and it looks fake as hell to me that you actually believe these reads.

I havent fucked off I am around and plan on reading shit before deadline.

Also I have a very good track record as town of actually figuring the game out during lylo.

On April 23 2016 04:19 Onegu wrote:



My confidence comes from a track record of doing so, you should know since you have meta read me right so you should have seen in oh wait thats right you are pulling meta out of your ass. Second I gave people reasons for why my solution was correct pointed out their flaws and why they were scum. I have won multiple games in lylo and lost a few where people didnt listen to me. The sad thing is this game I already know the players in this game wont even listen to what I have to say.

On April 23 2016 05:26 JustAnotherScummer wrote:

Hyperthical situation.

I filp town, and lets for the hell of it say Onegu flips scum (it can be town w/e.) who is your thrid scum?

On April 23 2016 06:12 Onegu wrote:



Your reason for voting me is I am onegu... You made a bunch of shit meta reads that dont work and you are calling me scum for them and have waffled so damn hard on them.

I want this guy to be scum so damn hard.

On April 23 2016 05:42 gumshoe wrote:
Fuck it, strategically onegu is today's best lynch. Jas may very well be getting bussed now. But I doubt that was the case at the games start, that doesn't apply to onegu. We need to know what he is now while we can still afford the hit.



## unvote

##vote onegu

Y'all can vote what you want, im staying on this guy.

On April 23 2016 06:21 Onegu wrote:


You try to meta read me all god damn game when you say yourself say it cant be done... And now instead of actually going into my filter and say oh look at this you dont even try to build a case. And now you call me bad but then say it is easy to read you? What does that say about you?

On April 23 2016 06:35 Onegu wrote:
Calling it right now Tumble, Gumshoe scum team

On April 23 2016 06:42 Onegu wrote:



Told by SL, and people can change their meta when it is a activity based meta read. That doesnt make you confirmed god damn town.

And how can you keep saying it is bad when at least one other person has said they see what I see

On April 23 2016 06:48 Onegu wrote:


Let me get this correct you blame me for not town reading you because someone (SL) tells me you are basically confirmed town. Then when I point out it was SL who said that you say SL might be scum and what that I shouldnt take is word because he might be scum?

On April 23 2016 06:48 justanothertownie wrote:

Sorry, but all I see you doing right now is bashing Onegu and regardless of the fact if it is warranted or not it doesn't help me solve this game.

On April 23 2016 06:55 Onegu wrote:



No you havent you made some bullshit meta reads and my day one vote on rsoultin... Thats not plenty of reasons.

On April 23 2016 07:08 gumshoe wrote:
I hate you all, the feel of that lynch was all wrong. You wasted our 1 extra lynch on jas who wasn't even that bad, and tommorow your going to ignore me again and lynch tumble, can't wait.

On April 24 2016 00:46 gumshoe wrote:
We've both analyzed the events of that lynch, we've both put together complex cases on it, you have jats vouch but that doesnt count for much as sl has been far more on point this game then him. This isnt a case of your right im wrong.

Both our views our valid, they simply differ, possibly because they must.

Which is all irrelevant for tomorrows lynch. Onegu is dying, do you have a problem with that?

On April 24 2016 02:15 justanothertownie wrote:

So ... much ... bullshit.

If I was scum mislynching Palmar day1 would be the greatest thing ever. I just let super try it and see how it goes. I don't even have to implicate myself.

And I CERTAINLY do not need to get Palmar on my side since I alread was his biggest townread at that point. Which is a very strong argument for me to be town btw. I may play a decent scumgame but I don't think I can fool Palmar this hard. I was the biggest townread of both nightkills. You KNOW that I shoot people who want to lynch me. Don't forget that.

Why are we killing subpurbia? But I think I can sheep you today. Yeah going to sheep palmar.

But this is a genuine scumslip. He tries to correct himself in the next post when he realized what he did but yeah scumslip.

I don't understand your thinking there, 1st post is scummy and NAI at the same time ?

Superbia's spamming spree is awful. The 1-line posts with random reads and no reasonning. Very different from what I expect from town!Superbia.

Jumping on the easy wagon too. Superbia might be scum

What do you make of the fact that Palmar was lynched D1 as town recently for playing like that ?

Superbia for being so his spree of posting reads with no explanation and not pushing anything. I think town!Superbia is more focused than that, like he was in his Palmar post actually, but the reasonning in his Palmar post is bad.

What changed with Superbia ?

Superbia is also likely to be scum, I don't believe in that "too scummy to be scum" thing rsoul and gumshoe has bought up. He made only 1 post that was more than 1 line, and that post was bad.

gumshoe 90% of your big post on tumble is narrative that doesn't prove anything. The last bit is good though. If Tumble is scum, it is because he focused all his energy on rsoultin and almost none on anyone else, after Palmar started to push her.

Tumble for entering the thread late with a non believable excuse and being obsessed with rsoul, which would be the perfect lynch for mafia.

Almost every post of Tumble is focused on rsoul. It is after Palmar started his "lynch rsoul" thing, so there is the possibility that Tumble is scum jumping on that lynch. He also has a lot of reasons to scumread her.
Noted above, "rsoul townreads Rels even though she disagrees with him".

So the post in bold doesn't actually exist. So Tumble is claiming a reason that cannot be true. It's impossible for a townie to make up a reason for what he has done things.

Scum”

also rels is in this game? Dont remember anything from him…

Really need to look into obi and rels also. Guess tumble also since rsoul thought he was scum. JAS also since he is the lead wagon.

Also people saying they can meta read me are scum. Gumshoe. Rels, Rsoultin.

On April 24 2016 05:17 Onegu wrote:



Dude, I posted I was sick and taking medicine or I would have sheeped palmar. He wanted to lynch Rsoul and I did too so we voted her, I wasnt around to change it. Second I never doubt myself. And I what you are saying doesnt make me scum at all. And how the hell does my sub read arrive after the point of relevancy it arrived night 1. And I never wavered on him I stayed on him the entire time because he scumslipped. And I dont fucking understand how you can blame me for my day one vote when you werent voting him either and even town reading him and put your vote on tumble.

On April 24 2016 05:19 Onegu wrote:
Your sub read arrived after mine so I dont understand how you can say this with a straight face.

On April 24 2016 06:02 Onegu wrote:
You mean the people, other than maybe tumble day 1 and that wasnt likely, that were never having a chance to be lynched?

On April 18 2016 06:52 gumshoe wrote:


reads plox

On April 25 2016 14:11 Onegu wrote:
I dont see a team without tumble on it. I dont think SL/Rels is a team. And I think I am still fine sheeping rsoultin here.

##Vote: Tumblewood

On April 18 2016 03:28 Onegu wrote:



You all jumped on him for this post.





But this is a genuine scumslip. He tries to correct himself in the next post when he realized what he did but yeah scumslip.

On April 25 2016 23:06 Onegu wrote:
Also one last thing lol @ Tumble just sitting back and watching the mislynch train run right on. WP sir WP.

On April 25 2016 23:42 Onegu wrote:



How is this even remotely true. I found scum tumble. We should have lynched him yesterday. Fine I will look into who is the final scum between Rels and SL and actually give you a case.

On April 25 2016 23:44 Onegu wrote:



Also self meta but I am onegu and it doesnt really count, I normally fight much more if I am scum.

On April 25 2016 23:50 Onegu wrote:
Also we have had 3 lynches.

Every time we lynched town guess who the counter wagon was and yet we arent voting him today.

On April 25 2016 23:50 Onegu wrote:
Also we have had 3 lynches.

Every time we lynched town guess who the counter wagon was and yet we arent voting him today.

On April 26 2016 00:00 Onegu wrote:



Sure it does. It was 3 votes on Sub and tumble. Then Sub and Tumble go on GB.

And this is important because tumble kinda blames jat for swiching and then switches to GB himself when he was scum reading Sub. He scum read SUB but didnt vote him, he votes for someone who he didnt have a read on.

On April 26 2016 00:04 Onegu wrote:
JAT and obi if you really dont see this than that is on you.

On April 25 2016 23:48 Onegu wrote:



So what you want me to do the work of making a case on him when you already think he is scum, but you guys are going to vote me anyway because I am onegu and if we go to final day with only one scum left you auto vote onegu. Thats not how that works. Previous games I have been in 2-1 lylo and won the game not being lynched. Looks at Obi.

On April 26 2016 00:18 Onegu wrote:
Alright well I am working on it because I am not scum this game, and I dont want to lose.

On April 25 2016 23:50 Onegu wrote:
Also we have had 3 lynches.

Every time we lynched town guess who the counter wagon was and yet we arent voting him today.

On April 17 2016 05:07 Onegu wrote:



Why are we killing subpurbia? But I think I can sheep you today. Yeah going to sheep palmar.

On April 18 2016 03:28 Onegu wrote:



You all jumped on him for this post.





But this is a genuine scumslip. He tries to correct himself in the next post when he realized what he did but yeah scumslip.

On April 20 2016 21:22 Onegu wrote:


No one believed me and he flipped mafia. It was basically all I yelled that entire game.

On April 18 2016 07:15 Onegu wrote:
Oh I was writing my shit and didnt know deadline was here... lol

On April 25 2016 14:14 Onegu wrote:



Go on what? You are confirmed town, Jat is confirmed to me and I will never vote him, I am town.

That leaves SL, Rels, Tumble.

I dont think SL and Rels are a team that busses each other yesterday as that serves no purpose for mafia when if they were a team pushing me and a tumble would be much more likely than bussing so I really dont see them as a mafia team.

On April 26 2016 01:09 Onegu wrote:



I dont think rels/SL is a scum team. SL has been pushing rels hard for like 2 days now. And the way the interact with each other I really doubt comes from scum on scum interaction.

Again the Palmar thing. I posted I was sick and on pain meds. I layed down, I wasnt around or I would have sheeped palmar and where he voted, but this is NAI for me as I dont lie about being sick with either alignment, If I am lurking as scum I wont say I am sick unless I actually am as that is a ass thing to do to use that excuse for something that isnt actually being sick. I was scum reading rsoul at the time and understood Palmar on that and I was asking what the case on sub was so I could see for my self.

On April 26 2016 02:00 Onegu wrote:



Rsoul wasnt scum reading me was she?

On April 26 2016 02:01 justanothertownie wrote:

So what point is there in superbia townreading his partner who looks like shit in that situation? There is no point. Could he have done it? Sure. Does this make Onegu more likely mafia? No, it doesn't.

On April 26 2016 02:03 Onegu wrote:
She gave me a caveat

On April 26 2016 02:34 justanothertownie wrote:

I know. But the more time passes the more I want to kill tumble for not giving a single fuck about being in LYLO.

On April 26 2016 06:43 justanothertownie wrote:

Scrubbiness and scumminess aren't mutually exclusive.

On April 26 2016 06:46 justanothertownie wrote:

I still don't understand how you aren't pushing harder for a tumble lynch if you are town.

On April 26 2016 06:49 Onegu wrote:



Why are you so damn sure about me?