Lynch Onegu / Tumble. If one of them is not scum, lynch JAS. If there is a tryhard scum, it's JAT. In particular check the way he interacted with Superbia to verify his claim that it's different from mine. Gumshoe is lock town (read his past games if you're not convinced), OWS (being a dick & not fearing posting in thread) & rsoul (natural reads & implicated to solve the game) are very likely town, SL is maybe town (he's doing this thing I've only seen him do as town where he psots sprees of posts when he spots something he wants to talk about).
On April 21 2016 01:12 Rels wrote: Well I have to leave work. I thought I would have time to reread the entire D1 before that but actually I don't. =X I will try to do that before deadline. If I have to, I will only read JAT's filter from EOD1, but I would prefer if I have time to read the things in their context.
You won't find anything incriminating there so it will be a waste of time but don't let me stop you.
Well my GF made the surprise of getting back 1 day earlier than she should have so I'm obv gonna stay with her ^^ so I'll resume this tomorrow if we're both still alive. To confirm: you think your treatment of Superbia D1 makes you unlikely partner, while mine is NAI right ? This is what I want to look for specifically.
I have no idea why that's so important to you but essentially yes. I did not say yours is nai in general - I didn't reread that yet. But it is certainly not as strong. I am talking about interactions btw. The way superbia tried to go for a palmar lynch and how I immediately shut it down is what I am talking about. I would never allow a buddy (especially the rb) to do that shit in the first place, it is one of the reasons he almost got lynched and had to fakeclaim. If I am on a team with superbia this whole thing never happens.
I was keeping up at college, but I've forgotten most of what i read. I do remember Rsoul responded to me about the little things.
@Rsoul, ok, I was just doing what you told me to do ^^. I am town this game, so not reading my filter isn't a issue. But note that in both scum games I've played, not reading my filter was why I stayed alive so much. So for later games (or even this one) make sure you do it.
Rels feels great IMO. Tumble still feels like crap. I got to read on OWS's filter. There were things I didn't like from D2, but might not actually make him scum.
On April 21 2016 06:11 JustAnotherScummer wrote: I was keeping up at college, but I've forgotten most of what i read. I do remember Rsoul responded to me about the little things.
@Rsoul, ok, I was just doing what you told me to do ^^. I am town this game, so not reading my filter isn't a issue. But note that in both scum games I've played, not reading my filter was why I stayed alive so much. So for later games (or even this one) make sure you do it.
Rels feels great IMO. Tumble still feels like crap. I got to read on OWS's filter. There were things I didn't like from D2, but might not actually make him scum.
lol read your filter goober, just didn't reread the thread -flicks-
On April 21 2016 06:11 JustAnotherScummer wrote: I was keeping up at college, but I've forgotten most of what i read. I do remember Rsoul responded to me about the little things.
@Rsoul, ok, I was just doing what you told me to do ^^. I am town this game, so not reading my filter isn't a issue. But note that in both scum games I've played, not reading my filter was why I stayed alive so much. So for later games (or even this one) make sure you do it.
Rels feels great IMO. Tumble still feels like crap. I got to read on OWS's filter. There were things I didn't like from D2, but might not actually make him scum.
lol read your filter goober, just didn't reread the thread -flicks-
Why tumble is town and super is not a potato. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scum Role claim works only on day1. Afterward they have no excuse for not claiming a specific role and if they do, they get ccd.
The only scenario where role claim does not work day 1 is against another scum. Jat put it best.
He can never claim vig. He would have to explain not being roleblocked and would be cced immediately unless they happen to rb the real vig (which is pretty unlikely).
If a Scum claims to get another scum killed, he gets ccd next day and dies. Why? Cause scum never cc a claim in this setup (unless lylo) as they would at most kill 1 townie then die once that townie flips green.
It would go down like this : super claims, tumble flips scum, day2 super is still live, he claims whatever then gets ccd and because scum never cc in this setup he dies too. End result is 2 successful lynches for town. Scum has bought themselves 1 role block with this devastating loss, that's it.
Alternative play is this. Just let the lynch happen and let Survivor claim cred. One rb is not worth 2 succesful lynches for town in a row.
This play by super is objectively bad, my overall argument is that scum are dunces, not utter potatoes. potatoes=incapable of seeing more than 1 move ahead ie- killing your mate with a move that kills yourself right after.
dunces= capable of not accounting for certain outcomes that would be clear to others=not realizing that a palmer shot would never look like the vig kill
Now, lets try to frame this so that I am as clear as possible.
April 16 2016 13:39 PDT at this time the tumble lynch starts to pick up speed. The vote is split between him and super 3 3
April 16 2016 14:23 PDT roughly 45 minutes later, super shows up and is active in thread -
-until his claim at April 16 2016 14:55 PDT
There is a little over half an hour between the vote shaping up and superbia becoming active, and superbia effectively killing tumble
... Wow this is actually calling me TMI town.
(side note, we can see in this post he really didnt care about tumble dying. )
The gb post of doom that got gb killed happened at April 16 2016 14:57 PDT That means that at the time of claiming(two minutes before the first real whisper of gbs doom), super was killing tumble plain and simple.
weve proven how idiotic it is to claim in order to kill your bud in this setup(even if your rb) and weve shown that super did exactly that. So why would that happen if supers scum?
1: supers is an idiot- not true, even if he isnt omega vet mark 5 super is a perfectly capable player clearly efficient enough to grasp setup basics, if nothing else, so this reason flies out the window. Also if we regularly expect these kinds of logic fuck ups we cant actually determine whats scummy and whats just derp XD.
2: super was rushed -ahhhh but now we see the power of time stamps! We can place both super and tumble in the thread at the cruical period of the day for at least 30 minutes (and if they were scum, they probably had more time to talk before that) to think that after that much time(probs more) they would conclude that super claiming was the best way to react to the situation is the the most outlandish assertion in this entire game so far(and thats coming from me)
lets frame this one last time so that tumble accusers have an idea of what they are actually saying happened.
Imagine two lawyers are having breakfest hours before the start of a big trial. They go over some of their files, they consider their arguments, they talk about the weather and ask about one another's families, and then finally after exhausting all conversation they ask for the bill. Then as theyre about to leave the pleasant flower adorned diner ONE DRAWS 2 PISTOLS AND SHOOTS THE OTHER IN THE FUCKING FACE WHILE ALSO PLACING THE OTHER BARREL IN HIS MOUTH AND PULLING THE TRIGGER RIGHT AFTER.
THAT is what alot of you are saying happened. If you guys lynch tumble this game, you are every bit as dumb as you seem to think they were on that fateful day 1.
So yeah, even if you don't agree with any of my subsequent points, this is the one that will make me cry if you disregard ) : you guys dont want to make me cry right?
On April 20 2016 11:15 rsoultin wrote: lol okay yeah
townie circle: jat (cc shut down + reasons), rels (sexy + reasons), gum (uber!excite + reasons), sl (feels + reasons) townleans: shape (doesn't look like standard bussy buss regardless of who flips scum), ows (vote on super d1 + hard align on doc cc prob isn't going to come from scum when thread sentiment is pulling the other way) scumlean: onegu (actually too active o.0 one caveat to this i won't mention) scum: tw lock and load
tw/onegu (excepting 1 caveat)
though tbf i think either of my townleans i could be wrong on cause they're kinda weak ^^
On April 18 2016 18:40 sicklucker wrote: riveting activity guys! I love when im the only one posting for the first 36 hours of the day but im the bad guy when shit comes up for the last 12
Not like there's much else to do while Super stalls as hard as he can.
Reasonable, But then look at supers claim:
On April 19 2016 00:20 Superbia wrote: Just got home from work. I'm (probably) the doctor.
Next post regarding this:
On April 19 2016 00:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote: As much as I'd love to lynch super despite everything, we can't lynch him unless someone counterclaims.
No talk about it, nothing. the idea about the claim making sense went out the window, and OWS wants to keep him alive. Even after me and Rsoul pointed out about the claim.
On April 19 2016 00:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote: All of the arguments in the world won't mean anything if you're pushing the only Doctor claim in the game.
The lynch simply can't happen without a cc and, if there isn't one, super is essentially confirmed town.
This is a nonargument: this is basic mafia and I'm not going through with this lynch unless someone contests the claim.
OWS calls Super confrim townie, and shouldn't be lynched. YET, he never moves his votes, even though he is a, and according to OWS:
On April 19 2016 00:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote: As much as I'd love to lynch super despite everything, we can't lynch him unless someone counterclaims.
we 100% can and should because even if he is the doc he will be rb'd until the end of time. the only way i don't condone lynching him is if he busts his balls here and convinces me he's town the way all non-power roles have to do
like, if the real doc (assuming he's not super) had actually successfully made a save last night and we could have three confirmed towns (vig claim + doc + save) and one confirmed mafia (super) then it would be worth claiming, but i honestly don't think the doc should cc here. i mean if he decides to i get it cause confirmed mafia is still good but i at least am lynching super anyway. if most of the rest of the town is, we don't need to give mafia that info
But he's the uncc'd doctor.
And he brings it up again later:
On April 19 2016 05:53 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Guess we're just going to lynch super today. I can't really complain at this point.
On April 19 2016 14:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote: We're unanimously lynching the claimed doctor. This is probably the worst play that I've ever seen but what can we do?
A) doesn't unvote, B) contradicts himself from post 1 to 2
It feels like scum trying to test the waters honestly to me. I feel like if he really beleive in not lynching the "unceed doc" then he would unvote. Instead OWS, in a attempt to not stand out, just posts these kind of posts to trying to get the thread to want a CC.
I also starting to think, that either one or the other (tumble/OWS) is scum, based off their interactions in thread. Something I noticed when I clicked on OWS's filter.
E.o.N post 2 Title- Thing super said to his scum qt during night 1 - This could totes work! (it totes doesnt work)
So this is the bit that really framed my view of the game.
I realized pretty fast (after a bit of derp) that the scum team had tried to set super up with a vig claim, or at least a chance at one, because there was no reason for scum to shoot palmer unless they knew for sure super wasnt going to(this all stems from the super palmer shot claim you're all familiar with by now I’m sure), also the whole cc=death for scum rule doesnt apply as super is already in that shitty position so may as well get some ammunition(kek vig joke) to argue it out.
That's what I thought at the time of my vote of super day 2 and I am more sure thats what happened now.
Jat brought up a bunch of reasoning why I was possibly wrong (rb, super lying ect), but he was mostly just nitpicking because that's what jat does best / :
Also his nitpicking is especially irelevant now as it turns out super was scum(suprah). So the claim was almost certainly a component in their shot.
So, regardless of how dumb or whatever this plan was, any plan has a chance to work and considering supers position what did he have to lose?
So the night ends and fazzers is clearly the vig shot, but heres the thing, scum never want to just waltz in and confirm that.
Regardless of who the vig ,shoots provided hes not rbd, there are three ways for scum to react to the flips.
1: push their version of events before seeing how town reacts-risky, no need to explain why.
2: Wait and see how the town views things- hands down the best move.
3: Kill it in it’s crib- even if it’s completely obvious that your plan wont work, why go out of your way to slay your teammate? Maybe the townies will view it differently / : it’s not like you get points for pointing out the obvius. The worst choice
Except you do! The people who take option 3 are probally town / : as if they are scum they are making the snap decision to react in the worst way.
From April 17 2016 15:02 PDT To April 17 2016 15:03 PDT
Three people in roughly the span of a minute said the vig shot was on fazzers.
These people are all town. True, it’s obvius to scum what happened because thier scum and they know, but scum often have to make the tricky distinction between whats obvious to them and what's obvious to town.
Basically? The safest and most effective move her to wait for towns response. These three players did not do that, therefore I crossed them off my list / :
There were three people who reacted strangely to the shot
Me, (cause I am an idiot)
Obi who reacted with bland puzzlement
Hrm.
Then said nothing more about it
And sl who seemed to find the shot surprising
it was a terrible vig shot fazzers was my top town. new players are so easy to read sign…
Sl is also the only one who seems to consider the shot could have been on palmer
whoever vigged palmar/faz who was on the super wagon needs to check their head
And the only one other than me on the same page about the
also supers mafia team clearly shot palmar hoping the vig shot was someone they could argue was the nk so super could claim vig. Its aparently obvious and people have already pointed that out.
But when the sad mafai team saw fazzers was the vig shot and not someone like me they were sad pandas and gave up
tldr super is the only one other than me who assumes the vig theory as fact.
On April 21 2016 07:07 gumshoe wrote: noooo rsoul T_T farewell
btw I have another fat case aside from those 2 but the second was pretty unedited and you dont want to know what the third looks like.
so lets keep things simple.
tumble is town because of the day 1 vote.
Maybe. Your point about supers fakeclaim killing them both is not bad actually.
Yeah, it would have been a huge misplay and I think supers actions this game demonstrate a good understanding of how claims work in this setup, not the opposite.
And to imagine 2 -3 players In a qt talking for half an hour min and concluding THAT was the best play is bonkers. On the other hand, if tumble is town what super did makes perfect sense.
Also jats right, we need vig to claim because after another mislynch scum can cc again as we'll be in Lylo.
In hindsight I don't think it was a fantastic shot - I just went for the guy playing like lynchbait and got rid of him. I didn't really want us constantly talking about him considering we gave him things to work with and he didn't seem to want to do anything. I waited for a few hours after he showed up in the thread to do something - I tried telling him what he was doing wrong but he just kind of left after that, so I sent the action in. I guess I could have shot super instead but, you know, PR claim. I'd rather not be the guy that goes for a hero play and takes out the doctor claim on night 1.
I was kinda frustrated that I missed even though I had mafia early but there's nothing to be done about it now. /shrug Sorry for missing.
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