On April 18 2016 06:08 Tumblewood wrote: and if shape were bussing that's some really weak bussing 0 towncred to be extracted there
On April 18 2016 06:15 rsoultin wrote:
On April 18 2016 06:08 Tumblewood wrote: and if shape were bussing that's some really weak bussing 0 towncred to be extracted there
yeah i'd reaaaallly like to say that would actually stop him lol ><
that said it's not like i'm calling him scum for it, just not willing to put him up with my fairly certain towns, so it's pretty much a moot point
The scummy thing about it is that shape was completely oblivious to what happened in the thread. He doesn't feel the "towny vibes" and just because of that he ignores everything else that happens? Like superbia claiming a role etc?
yeah i hear ye. i think the reason the bussing in particular sticks in my head is i've seen him vote on the scum wagon (mine! lol) when he knows they won't be lynched just to be on the right wagon later. of course he could just be town voting on who he thinks is scum, and that can be true even while being oblivious...some people just go their own way...but yeah
which actually is a good point anyway
i can check your filter real quick but shape what was your read on gb?
i really fail to see the benefit of letting yourself be killed over town as scum, gum
Last thing, if tumble was scum I dont think he was letting himself die, his antics were winning people over.
Obiwanshinobi, sicklucker, fazers palmer gb
were all pretty much down to vote superbia.
and jat too was sympathetic.
You should read it right now. We have at least 3 people in super, SL and GB who are scummy and do not give the slightest fuck about this lynch. If you really want to go on and kill tumble for his fuckup then at least hear him out now.
also tumble would have for sure switched to save his own life.
that reliably gives him about 6-7 votes. So however you perceived his martyrdom, it was working out for him.
On April 18 2016 05:56 rsoultin wrote: yeah if it's not obvious i think super/tw scumteam is highly likely. not sure on the third
tw not voting for survival doesn't make any sense to me. i can get just feeling like there's no hope i really can but not when the alternative wagon is someone that you say you're scumreading
way more likely super is simply scum with tw and that's why tw didn't vote him but was fine voting gb
personally if i'm the vig i'm always shooting super here...if he's the doc he's useless and at least then we have the information
pretty confident that gum rels jat palmar
are all town
still need to check up on the thing about sl, but basically it amounts to the last time i played in a game where he was scum he told people not to talk at night, too, but i seem to remember him talking at night a lot as town. i could be misremembering though
not sure what it is about ows but i'm hesitant to put him in my town list. maybe it's the response to tumble or maybe it's him being more vocal or maybe it's just general paranoia after down under when i derped on him all the way up to lylo
who knows about oneg. his comment toward super makes me feel a little better about him though
shape and fazers (obv) not really sure...kinda liked shape early for a couple posts, but the "you always vote for survival" thing to tw does make me twitch a little so he doesn't get a firm townread either...just this thing where he's so damn buss happy and i'm having a hard time seeing a world where tw is town here
I 100 percent disagree with super being scum with tumble. Had they both been scum it would have likely been more of an outright bus / : Think about it, if super was bussing tumble, why would he claim? Then tumble dies and hes put in the spotlight and likely dies after if he cant substantiate his blue claim.
This all happened before the gb debacle, (which was total luck if tumble outside of any plan). It is a terrible terrible move, would've been far better to just let things take their course and have the living scummer take cred.
Seriously, super may be scum, but he is 100 percent not scum with tumble because of the heat that claim brings down on him.
I'm on board with this I think.
yeah the reason you're both probably wrong here is simple:
tw's play makes no sense from town. two lynches and the opposite is your scumread you vote your scumread 100% every single time unless you're an idiot. hell even if you're townreading him you should probably do that, but if not at the very least be pushing an opposite lynch
what you guys are saying is that scum couldn't have made a mistake and instead it's more likely that either tumble is doing things that almost never come from town AS town and not voting a scumread OR that he's not voting on town AS scum
i think it's actually really simple and scum just made a mistake here. could i be wrong? sure. i admit it. i really don't think so though, and it makes way more sense then the other two scenarios i just laid out for you
read mah last post : P makes a better highlight of it.
Scum cant just play out things like a townie. They need to get more bang for thier buck as thier lives are move valuable.
Killing Gb, then super, is way better than just killing super. It was not an elaborate ploy to avoid the death of ether scummer.
and as I said, neither could have anticipated the gb fuck up, because super claimed before that happened.
Which means, if super is scum he made an uber shady claim(can you deny the heat hes got for it?) in order to keep living, thereby robbing his scum mate of a better position and hurting the scum team overall, just so that he could keep going.
tldr, it is more likely that tw and super are both town as opposed to both scum(though yeah, tw is probs scum). For reals Rsoul, your read doesn't really work ) : would require not only a fuck up from scum, but just really selfish shit play for no real reason.
i really fail to see the benefit of letting yourself be killed over town as scum, gum. i know i wouldn't. you can always try to talk your way out of a lynch d2 it's kinda retarded not to do it. i have seen scum players let themselves die over a roleblocker, and i have seen even stupider shit like when my own scummate pretended to be afk during her lynch so they didn't see that she didn't vote for her scum buddy, but then posting right after the flip which revealed she'd been there the whole time and basically confirmed my other scummate scum
of course it works. it works because players aren't perfect and because generally scum teams prefer to keep their roleblocker alive
I think having your scummer in a good position in thread is far more important than keeping the Rb alive. Whats more, thier actions set it up so they were both likely to die, Super's claim did scum very few favours if they were both scum.
That said, it doesn't matter if we disagree on what scums priorities were. We have common ground on Tw, so we start there and see where it takes us / :
lol true ^^
just promise me that if vig shoots super and i'm not around...or if super ever flips and i'm not around...(obv if he flips town that's moot lol)...you won't rule out tw based on this reasoning
i'd be really fucking surprised if tumble were town this game
On April 17 2016 06:59 justanothertownie wrote: Wtf where is this tumble vote from shaoe coming from?
Meta, Sorry i couldn't explain (I had to blast) but I can now.
As someone who has played scum with him, against him, and as town buddies, I kinda starting to understand Tumble. I was actually planning on coming forth with my identity (because I am the only one who would have that experience) earlier, but RL was a bitch.
Basically, Let me give you a quick synopsis of how he plays. Tumble usually is a low content poster, who most of the time, respond with questions or makes a statement. His filter, as town, is usually low in fluff, and if it has fluff, it usually is still paired with content of some degree (his noir theme posts for example.)
He also is pretty "cocky" if that is the word. Kinda smart ass too at times. rarely he will enter humor posts as town, and more so as scum (IIRC, he did this is ikido in the first scum game.)
And he usually always votes for survival too, like always. Which he really should of here, considering the person was a scum read of his before the wagons got close. usually he goes "Alright, I am survival voting X." Even if it is a meh read of his. Again, the only time I never seen him do it is when he is scum (though, this point really should be taken with a bit of salt about the scum thing, as he and I did it for a distance play)
I am just not getting the usual towny vibes i get from him when I am town and he is as well. Though i did click on his filter, and he has a 5 page filter, which i think is more than he had day 4 of any game lol.
let me give you a quick synopsis of how I play I am usually a low-content, low-fluff poster. there is a trend, I think, of me having more fluff. I like to think that even my deadline fluff posts mostly had content in them, too. I don't know where you're getting the humor posts thing as scum; nsm xix was my first game and should not be used to determine my playstyle because I had no idea how to play. I voted for survival during storm mafia and never else. this is an abnormally large filter for me because my plan for deadline was let myself get lynched so I can get some quality pressuring in. that is a special (speshul) case and should be treated as such. even I'm not qualified to talk about my scum meta because outside of nsm xix all my scum experience is replacing into newbies and vets
Your posts IMO are rarely fluff. It usually is always questions and statements, with something maybe added to it. We can agree to disagree here all day.
Then you may never use NSM XIX as a way, ever again, to ever compare my meta to me. Yet you have done this before. Even though that was my first scum game, and I had not idea (we were a all newb team ) either, Sensni Slam just made sense to me. I mean, it really is your only scum game, period. The other you replaced into.
I double check, But I am pretty sure you have.
I just was making fun of the fact/ pointing out that you have written more pages this game, than day 4 and other game. Also, how does getting lynched, have anything to do with pressuring? You can pressure, without needing to kill yourself, and I've saw you at least to try so before.
You should read it right now. We have at least 3 people in super, SL and GB who are scummy and do not give the slightest fuck about this lynch. If you really want to go on and kill tumble for his fuckup then at least hear him out now.
also tumble would have for sure switched to save his own life.
that reliably gives him about 6-7 votes. So however you perceived his martyrdom, it was working out for him.
still get your point lol and still want one of my strong townreads to promise
On April 18 2016 05:56 rsoultin wrote: yeah if it's not obvious i think super/tw scumteam is highly likely. not sure on the third
tw not voting for survival doesn't make any sense to me. i can get just feeling like there's no hope i really can but not when the alternative wagon is someone that you say you're scumreading
way more likely super is simply scum with tw and that's why tw didn't vote him but was fine voting gb
personally if i'm the vig i'm always shooting super here...if he's the doc he's useless and at least then we have the information
pretty confident that gum rels jat palmar
are all town
still need to check up on the thing about sl, but basically it amounts to the last time i played in a game where he was scum he told people not to talk at night, too, but i seem to remember him talking at night a lot as town. i could be misremembering though
not sure what it is about ows but i'm hesitant to put him in my town list. maybe it's the response to tumble or maybe it's him being more vocal or maybe it's just general paranoia after down under when i derped on him all the way up to lylo
who knows about oneg. his comment toward super makes me feel a little better about him though
shape and fazers (obv) not really sure...kinda liked shape early for a couple posts, but the "you always vote for survival" thing to tw does make me twitch a little so he doesn't get a firm townread either...just this thing where he's so damn buss happy and i'm having a hard time seeing a world where tw is town here
I 100 percent disagree with super being scum with tumble. Had they both been scum it would have likely been more of an outright bus / : Think about it, if super was bussing tumble, why would he claim? Then tumble dies and hes put in the spotlight and likely dies after if he cant substantiate his blue claim.
This all happened before the gb debacle, (which was total luck if tumble outside of any plan). It is a terrible terrible move, would've been far better to just let things take their course and have the living scummer take cred.
Seriously, super may be scum, but he is 100 percent not scum with tumble because of the heat that claim brings down on him.
I'm on board with this I think.
yeah the reason you're both probably wrong here is simple:
tw's play makes no sense from town. two lynches and the opposite is your scumread you vote your scumread 100% every single time unless you're an idiot. hell even if you're townreading him you should probably do that, but if not at the very least be pushing an opposite lynch
what you guys are saying is that scum couldn't have made a mistake and instead it's more likely that either tumble is doing things that almost never come from town AS town and not voting a scumread OR that he's not voting on town AS scum
i think it's actually really simple and scum just made a mistake here. could i be wrong? sure. i admit it. i really don't think so though, and it makes way more sense then the other two scenarios i just laid out for you
read mah last post : P makes a better highlight of it.
Scum cant just play out things like a townie. They need to get more bang for thier buck as thier lives are move valuable.
Killing Gb, then super, is way better than just killing super. It was not an elaborate ploy to avoid the death of ether scummer.
and as I said, neither could have anticipated the gb fuck up, because super claimed before that happened.
Which means, if super is scum he made an uber shady claim(can you deny the heat hes got for it?) in order to keep living, thereby robbing his scum mate of a better position and hurting the scum team overall, just so that he could keep going.
tldr, it is more likely that tw and super are both town as opposed to both scum(though yeah, tw is probs scum). For reals Rsoul, your read doesn't really work ) : would require not only a fuck up from scum, but just really selfish shit play for no real reason.
i really fail to see the benefit of letting yourself be killed over town as scum, gum. i know i wouldn't. you can always try to talk your way out of a lynch d2 it's kinda retarded not to do it. i have seen scum players let themselves die over a roleblocker, and i have seen even stupider shit like when my own scummate pretended to be afk during her lynch so they didn't see that she didn't vote for her scum buddy, but then posting right after the flip which revealed she'd been there the whole time and basically confirmed my other scummate scum
of course it works. it works because players aren't perfect and because generally scum teams prefer to keep their roleblocker alive
I think having your scummer in a good position in thread is far more important than keeping the Rb alive. Whats more, thier actions set it up so they were both likely to die, Super's claim did scum very few favours if they were both scum.
That said, it doesn't matter if we disagree on what scums priorities were. We have common ground on Tw, so we start there and see where it takes us / :
lol true ^^
just promise me that if vig shoots super and i'm not around...or if super ever flips and i'm not around...(obv if he flips town that's moot lol)...you won't rule out tw based on this reasoning
i'd be really fucking surprised if tumble were town this game
On April 18 2016 06:50 Onegu wrote: Just got my son to sleep for his nap.
Why arent we talking more about the scumslip I found?
oh well i mean super's behavior in general is pretty suspect. if he's trying to convince scum not to rb/shoot him, then jat going LYNCH THIS GUY right after should have been like yes, help! the more people who suspect me the better
instead he gets mad at jat
you may be right about the scumslip but that reaction makes no sense anyway and yeah was why when i realized that tw never voted for super and double-checked his reads the THEORY was born ^^
On April 18 2016 06:08 Tumblewood wrote: and if shape were bussing that's some really weak bussing 0 towncred to be extracted there
On April 18 2016 06:15 rsoultin wrote:
On April 18 2016 06:08 Tumblewood wrote: and if shape were bussing that's some really weak bussing 0 towncred to be extracted there
yeah i'd reaaaallly like to say that would actually stop him lol ><
that said it's not like i'm calling him scum for it, just not willing to put him up with my fairly certain towns, so it's pretty much a moot point
The scummy thing about it is that shape was completely oblivious to what happened in the thread. He doesn't feel the "towny vibes" and just because of that he ignores everything else that happens? Like superbia claiming a role etc?
yeah i hear ye. i think the reason the bussing in particular sticks in my head is i've seen him vote on the scum wagon (mine! lol) when he knows they won't be lynched just to be on the right wagon later. of course he could just be town voting on who he thinks is scum, and that can be true even while being oblivious...some people just go their own way...but yeah
which actually is a good point anyway
i can check your filter real quick but shape what was your read on gb?
General rule of thumb of my scum bussing method:
Day 1, Vote for them Day 2, Vote for them and lynch them Day 3, Vote for the other guy and lynch them Day 4, ??? Day 79, Win game.
Fun fact, By day 3, I am the only scum alive. Usually kill off my team by them GB: I can't remember, null i think?
Onegu as town is in fact capable of rational thought(shocker right?)
these quotes are from full metal mafia, which was I feel a decent example of town Onegu at play.
I will speed read but I dont really have anything other than the person who said it didnt look like I was scum from my entrance looked really weird. I and remember it came from someone I had actually played with multiple times before and that actually mad no sense to me. As to why he would say something like that about me.
Yeah then this is scums preferred lynch. Look for people that were completely null the whole game on me then were like fuck it we just lynch onegu and then peaced out.
Answer me this does my flip give you a better way to read people based on how the previous person was playing?
seems pretty palatable.
This is from his last readable scum game (vanilla mafia)
So I am debating on if I want to try this game or just troll...
I mean I "tried and played" in that newbie with marv, but then he went and rolled scum and my effort was just wasted because I was trying because I promised him.
But he already put more effort this game than in the entirety of that game so he is likely town here so maybe I should just not count that newbie game and actually try this game too.
But LAZY...
Hrmm choices.
Ok one game of dota then Ill decide.
So Troll it is. Thank you for making my choice for me. <3.
in that game he pretty much just parked his vote uselessley onto vivax for two days, he didnt start trying until he came under fire at which point his posts became pretty coherent
This post makes absolutely no sense. First do you really think with the 5 minutes in which BH came in people were going to switch.
And lets say there were last second switch onto me. Why is ritoky going to look terrible. Everyone knows voting analysis is terrible day one. And once I flip town what are you dumbasses going to do? You arent going to lynch ritoky you are going to be like everyone is terrible and we should have lynched slam yesterday we are going to lynch him today. Ritoky is scott free.
Every point here is bad. What looks worse is you giving me a town read but then saying you would vote me but then not.
Ritoky also voting because someone says so then once the mislynch is secured he moves onto another townie because it makes him not on a town play during the flip.
Gumshoe pointing this out and trying to make him look better bothers me alot.
Blazinghand gets the same thing as Ritoky. Why try to shennanie on me. Because BH knows if there is shennanies from a player like slam onto another town player means that slam is the focus for most of day 2. It is a win win.
Out of the 2 though I would say ritoky is the more suspicious of the 2. And would lynch him first.
basically, we can distinguish town onegu from scum onegu by noticing when he starts to care. If it's scum onegu, he wont bother until hes under fire (or possibly his mates) if it's town onegu, hell start to care of his own accord and he will probally offer at least one sensible post before day 1 ends.
Now look at some of his posts from last cycle
Tell sexy Lexy <3 chocolate
To bad you are still scum...
Also gumshoe is scum. He tried to meta read me some weird ass way he is trying to buddy me because he knows how awesome I am.
This
She forgot me in her list post. Means she is scum 100000000%
Also people saying they can meta read me are scum. Gumshoe. Rels, Rsoultin.
THere is your team. Thank you well played onegu.
I am playing the game... Dont you see it.... I signed up made posts, made a vote, made some reads...
Onegu literally did not care in the slightest about yesterdays lynch. He parked his vote uselessly just like he did in vanilla and he will probably do so again later if he doesn't come under fire.
So yeah, do not let that happen, Onegu needs to die asap.
(Bonus, onegu has not posted reads before the night ends, indicates hes not really scared of dying and not getting to share his final words)
second is Palmar.
--------------------------------------------------------------------- His whole "I might even explain why at some point but who knows" stick alienates and belittles the rest of town and establishes a trend of him expecting us to follow him for no real reason.
Then theres the flawed logic behind palmar accusing Rsoul for not thinking hes scum.
TMI Mafia.
(in response to)
k gonna be honest here i really think that palmar's dickishness actually makes him town here but...i'd really hate to let him stomp all over me only for him to turn out to be scum, so if y'all wanna lynch him to put him out of my misery, i won't stop you
Seriously Palmar, are you saying that every player is obliged to think their accusers are scum? Because thats a great way to lose every single game.
My personal favourite is how he goes from
I have no opinion on any of them.
,in response to me asking for a read on tumble (among others), to
I don't really think tumblewood will flip scum but I neither know what the case against him is not do I have a particularly strong defense for him. I just don't think the few posts I've read sound like a mafia
with absolutely no inbetween -_-.
which is amazing, because the whole reason he wanted to lynch Super was because super said this
Actually GB is meh too. So maybe rso is okay.
(palmars response)
This is a complete bullshit reason for thinking something. Superbia is now also a lynch candidate.
So lets get this straight, palmar wanted to kill super because he used bullshit reasoning (palmars bread and butter atm), to disregard his bullshit case against Rsoul (Seriously, he has still not made an actual case on her) while he himself disregarded a wagon because of self admittedly bullshit reasoning?
Please tell me how this
Actually GB is meh too. So maybe rso is okay.
is any worse than this
I just don't think the few posts I've read sound like a mafia
Most damning though, is this shit
hard claim, now.
If he reaaaaaaly thought super was lying, he could have flat out kept trying to lynch him, that would have been understandable if somewhat short sighted but to fucking ask for his role so that mafia could reliably neuter him????????
Heres the thing, if palmar is a townie and is asking because he thinks super is scum, it does not matter what super says, as he will just tell the most convenient fucking lie. So asking for a hard claim accomplishes nothing for town.
Yet if it's scum Palmar asking Super for his role, his reasoning makes perfect sense. it's an intense moment, super clearly thinks hes going to die (or he wouldn't have claimed otherwise) maybe palmar can get a roll out of him. Palmar probably didn't even care about town thinking he was scummy for it cause wed already given him a blank check for that shit.
Town Palmer may troll, but this is not trolling. It is aggressively negligible play and if we intend to write it off as eccentricity then we are flat out insulting him as a player and encouraging him to play like this again. Not to mention throwing away the gam / :
EPT
) either, Sensni Slam just made sense to me. I mean, it really is your only scum game, period. The other you replaced into. 
