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On April 29 2016 03:12 justanothertownie wrote:

Bullshit.

On April 29 2016 03:25 justanothertownie wrote:

Rels reaction was weird. I mean it obviously did not make you confirmed town but why did he fight this so hard if he believes you are town anyways? Very strange.

On April 29 2016 03:26 justanothertownie wrote:
"You could be confirmed town".
No, he couldn't. You explained why yourself....

On April 29 2016 03:31 Rels wrote:

Just because I think he's town doesn't mean I can't question him. I expected him to do one thing as town and he did another AND claim at the same time it confirmed him town.
I agree it didn't need the pages we spent on it though.

I basically would have never considered him to vote if he unvoted seconds before deadline. I think the temptation to iwn the game right there is too strong

On April 29 2016 03:33 justanothertownie wrote:

Come on. You expect scum SL to believe you really keep your vote on tumble as town? If you don't then he couldn't have been confirmed town.

On April 29 2016 03:35 Rels wrote:
And if you want me to stop talking about it, stop talking about it p:

On April 29 2016 03:37 justanothertownie wrote:

I have a better solution. You talk about whatever you please and I point out if it does not make sense. Like this whole thing.

On April 29 2016 03:38 Rels wrote:

Well now that you know how SL could have been confirmed town I can move on to defend myself against the case then

On April 29 2016 03:40 justanothertownie wrote:

Like I said - he couldn't.

But go ahead.

On April 28 2016 14:35 Tumblewood wrote:
why Rels is scum
and more things I should have said yesterday

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His reads have hardly evolved since D1

D1 reads: Me as top scum, Super as likely scum, GB/JAS as maybe scum.
D2 reads: Super as lock scum, me as scum, JAS/Onegu as maybe scum.
D3 reads: Me as top scum, JAS/Onegu as maybe scum.
D4 reads: Me/Onegu as scum.

Why does this make him scum? Because town has fluid reads. Rels hasn't reacted organically to new information.

On April 21 2016 00:31 rsoultin wrote:
rels is more his filter just looks like a town filter lol the fluidity of reads changing with new info is there, the willingness to say he's wrong about things instead of dig in his heels, and the probing into a lot of different things in a way that to me at least looks more like trying to figure out thought process and intentions (i.e. alignments) rather than just going on the attack. yet he's still aggressive so it doesn't look too blendy

^ definition of a town filter from a player who knows how to play for me

tbf i know his scum game is good lol >< but i don't think it's quite that good. the fluidity and breadth in particular is pretty hard to accomplish as scum, at least for me

On April 28 2016 14:35 Tumblewood wrote:
This is how he reacted to me misremembering an rsoul post:
+ Show Spoiler [initial reaction on me] +
This is an unnatural way to react to such information. It's a very clean-cut case and should have a pronounced reaction, not an explanation of why it's scummy (not necessary) and a "not believable" (that wording just feels off to me, but maybe it's just confirmation bias).

On July 20 2015 03:07 Rels wrote:

It's important for me. 'cause a townie would never forget the reason they posted something. You said your reason for posting the "relax" comment was:

But the "weird smilies" thing was on plotspot, not FF. So you just made up a reason, instead of immediately saying that you had no reason.

I think you're mafia for that. I don't know why you would invent a (false) reason to rescind it the post after.

On April 28 2016 14:35 Tumblewood wrote:
His reaction to Super's blue claim:
+ Show Spoiler [blue claim reaction] +
He sees Super claim "PR" right before being lynched, and asks which one. There's no evaluation of whether that means he's scum or town; he's not determining Super's alignment when he really should.

On April 28 2016 14:35 Tumblewood wrote:
2. He's pressuring wagons regardless of his vote
D1: Rels keeps asking me questions after his initial scumread of me, and he adds his own reasons to the Superbia wagon, but he does not ever try to change the course of the lynch when it goes from me to Super to GB.
D2: 9 votes on Super. Pushing wasn't really necessary (not that Rels didn't do it).
D3: He's pressuring Shape but also doesn't want people to vote him over me, which is a total conflict of interest.
D4: He pressures me hard (arguably harder than Onegu) but keeps his vote on Onegu.

On April 28 2016 14:35 Tumblewood wrote:
Why is this scummy? His votes do not reflect who he tries hardest to get lynched. If you want someone to get lynched on any one day (the indicator of this is who you are voting), you should push that person, but he does not push the person he is voting harder than the other wagons.

On April 28 2016 14:35 Tumblewood wrote:
3. He jumped onto my wagon D1 for worse reasons than he had for Superbia

+ Show Spoiler [superbia stuff] +
His reasons for me were that I messed up, but his reasons for Superbia were that he was actually covertly scummy.
Why is this scummy? A good player such as Rels should be able to determine what is alignment indicative and what is not, and he decided that a read based off of a tunnel-y focus and a fuckup was good enough to switch off of one based on how scum acts when they're actually trying not to get found out.

On April 28 2016 14:35 Tumblewood wrote:
4. PoE
Assuming I am town, as has been the thread consensus since D1 (I'd be lying if I said this wasn't a big reason I think Rels is scum)

On April 16 2016 12:32 rsoultin wrote:
so yeah still not sure who is actually scum here :/ it's kinda hard cause most of the people who have been posting i have some (if in general pretty weak) reasons to townread

i think i favor lynching superbia/fazer

@fazer...if you're just new town, dude, let me help you out. you're probably not going to find anything that makes you think someone is super scum, especially if you've never played with any of us before. but if you don't talk about what you think, who might be scum, etc. we have no way of reading you. posting your thoughts/reads is actually more important for us figuring out your alignment than anything else

slight preference for superbia because i can see fazer just not knowing what to do in his first game. obviously this could come from first-time scum just as easily but yeah...superbia's drive-by not gonna post bit seems like it could come from burn-out...at the very least unless he's just not gonna be back for deadline there's no need to even post the excuse in the first place

On April 29 2016 04:40 Tumblewood wrote:

wtf
you know that rsoul post that we've been talking about
it's right here
right goddamn here

On April 16 2016 03:44 Tumblewood wrote:
Do you think that "D1 is hard" is because Fazers is scum or because he's just a scrub?

On April 29 2016 04:52 Rels wrote:

hahahaha nice try ^^ I was freaking out
Here is your question to her

this post you're quoting is AFTER your question so that couldn't be the reason of your question.

On April 29 2016 04:53 Tumblewood wrote:
not quoting the post because I'd like to see it as I type this, but it should be obvious I'm responding to rels. each number is what rels says between the quotes.

1. you've hardly suspected anyone who was not a lynch candidate.
2. see my last post.
3. you were suspicious, but you had nothing to say at that point about his alignment. the only acceptable explanation for this is that you wanted him to prove it by hardclaiming, which is... eh, I guess that makes sense, but doesn't really help much.
4. if you wanted to get me lynched, you should have talked to people about that besides me. also, scumread != pressure.
5. ditto
6. neither does scum. there is no scum agenda for that. also see my last post.
7. I was frustrated with sl for tossing his vote around but never said I thought we should lynch him.

On April 17 2016 06:55 justanothertownie wrote:

This is basically a claim. Great. Staying on GB then.

On April 17 2016 06:56 Palmar wrote:

nice, last minute "claim"