TL Mafia LXXIV: Storm Mafia 3 - Page 2
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Where's the explanation sicklucker?! I disagree that talking about Slam is an indicator of being scum (in this case) - the way gumshoe has talked about Slam is an indicator of being scum. Huge difference. just voted for Kurumi, but yeah my primary problem is she is pursuing two reads that are fairly opposed without a hint of reservation regarding that conflict. From a townie perspective those two reads would clash and be worthy of note in provided logic, but it hasnt even occured to Kurumi insofar. What seems more likely is she just doesnt want to draw atention to the Janus nature of her current logic, a setup that favours an outcome for scum wherein I and lick are both town. it feels like an opinion born of machinations rather then genuine perspective. Poisened at it's root with contradiction. (ok now I'll go out.... ON A HIGH NOTE) I opinion born of machinations rather then genuine perspective. | ||
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On March 24 2016 09:54 Superbia wrote: Town Slam Shapelog Leaning town Sicklucker Lightningstrike Ritoky (slight) Leaning mafia gumshoe Something like that. Feel like I'm forgetting someone. Rest is null. Actually not 100% confident in my reads atm (90%) but might be because I'm tired. Or you know, because your going after a guy who characterisically makes dumb posts day for making a dumb post day 1 -_- also as for Kurumi how do you feel about her scum reading me and lick? How likely is it that we are scum together? If you made a similar accusation would you make note of that conflict? | ||
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On March 24 2016 10:01 Vivax wrote: Kinda leaning town for this post cause of the first sentence. It has a bit to do with association, but it's the fact that it's a pretty dickish thing to say to someone I think is town. It's a weak read however, Damdy is far from a firm spot in the readbook. The bolded is a bit suspicious to me cause it's like gummy is trying to tell us how much work he has done to reach his conclusion, which is something he would do to reach a favourable impression. There's also the possibility he wants to give it some sort of statistical reliability which is what he will claim when confronted with this but I believe it's not a townie thing to say, combined with his previous post. LS said it was too early for a vote on gum before even reading his first post? Not cool. Wanting to lend credence to what one is saying is not scummy / : it is simply human. As for why I added that, in my first post about Damdred i mentioned I would need to lean on his meta to figure a read. So I did just that -_- also I kinda knew that whatever I said you'd be after me this game / : hard to fault you for that but do try to keep personal vendettas at bay long enough to realize that I never put forth this much effort as scum. Period. | ||
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On March 24 2016 10:04 Superbia wrote: ... I have said before that I am not actively pressuring you anymore because I feel like like nothing more will come from it. I have no idea why you're being so defensive. If you're town move past it. I feel like you may have a point on kurumi if you're town, I will explore it when I've gotten some sleep. I am a very defensive person / : dont hate. | ||
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On March 24 2016 11:16 Kurumi wrote: You are clearly trying to twist your errors so they fit your narrative. I've never called sicklucker scum. I only have said that his reason for voting you is: a) nonexistent as in, he never gave his own reason for that b) the one we can dig up from his one-liner is that he feels that talking about Slam early is scum-indicative, which I disagree. As I said before, the way you talk about Slam is scummy, not the fact you have talked about him at all. As you can see, I have my vote casted on nobody. Not you, not sicklucker. The reason? I believed that you might really be a Townie with a really weird approach, so I pushed you to give me an explanation for your actions. Your explanation so far was that you've done those things to do anything at all for the sake of not being accused of doing nothing. That is not a Townie perspective. As for sicklucker, I still await his response. Can you be both scum? Sure, you can be. His vote has weight of zero, being so fast and based on a such dubious reasoning. There's nothing contradictory in a story where sicklucker votes for you because he sees you dun goofed and then he "changes his mind" based on your explanations. He voted in such a way it is very easy to unvote you. There was no case or explanation given. But that's not the story I believe in. I believe that sicklucker has laid down a weak vote because he could. Really, it doesn't require much to vote, I could vote anyone right now, especially a person who has not shown up yet and what happens? Nothing. Everyone knows that my vote is a weak one. I could pick a one line off someone's post this early, which is not strongly indicative and decide that's my reason for voting. It's a weak vote - everyone will see that. If he were to unvote you it would not say much to me, yet. But I believe he will be more dead-set on you after your follow-up play. And I am not "setting up a lynch". You are doing it yourself. Setting up a lynch is enraging Kavdragon and pushing your agenda so Town agrees that his anger and his play is not Town-oriented. I want to lynch you based on what you have said and what you have done, not what explanations I give to people. I am not trying to create a narrative surrounding your actions: I am openly questioning them and your explanations, your own words, condemn you. After the initial "well I am a weak player, I make mistakes, oh well, but they were good mistakes! Ones to be done!" you go after me as if your previous actions did not take place. I called your behaviour into question, you have defended it, never explaining how are they not scum-indicative, but saying over and over that it's just you being bad. When I called you on your iffy reasoning for thinking people are scummy - you have not commented on that. You have defended fishing as a townie thing to do. No, fishing (that is, trying to get a role read off someone) is not a townie thing to do. As a townie, you do not try to give information that mafia might act upon! What good can come from getting someone to claim VT or non-VT? None! None for a townie! All in all, all you have done this game is post the way a scared scum feels like, admit to it, defend a scum agenda and try to paint me in a bad light. That won't pass. I am now voting you, because I am sure that you are Mafia. It's Kurumi and I am a he. I have no idea what a bomb pop is and why it should matter. Yes, I do. I am very vary of ritoky, I like Superbia, LightningStorm. No idea what your sonic post was meant to bring to the thread. You seem to like the idea of gumshoe being town, but you have so far not done much to defend him or anything else. Why are you so careless about your town-read being the main topic so far? the same way you can interpret my posts, which actually amount to null (which is what I assumed was the problem with them) as scum oriented, I can far EASILY interpret your crumbing of Slick as scum implication -_- my point on slam was :uncharacteristic, but it's wrong to say that active aware play when out of char is a scum tell my point on Dam amounted to : Could use some meta work (which I did, and concluded was townie) my point on Superbia was he was likely townie with his mentality of yay town lets play but could still of course be scum cause mafia (an opinion I later leaned townie on cause of his questioning and lack of fear) I at no point called them scummy, they were the only people in thread of note to comment on so I commented on them in my own manner because I wanted to play, not wait for someone fuck up so I could pounce like you / : Also you claim im twisting my errors to fit my narrative, where we disagree is on account of me having made any errors in the first place. I offered my thoughts to the game at an early stage and everyone leaped because thats what scum and townies (read townies who have never played with me and or idiots/misguided) do every game I play / : I find your back peddeling on lick funny btw also im not referring to fishing as role hunting, but rather scum/town reaction hunting which is what I figured Dandred was doing, I am not the only one who considers fishing in this manner as Slam implied as much before me. fish folks so was slam calling for people to start hunting for blue roles early on? Or was he just calling for people to start baiting scum? I think it's pretty clear which kind of fishing he and I were referring to and to see any other sort as what we were hinting at reveals just how little you care about what I am actually saying as opposed to what you think you can hammer me for. | ||
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On March 24 2016 15:55 ritoky wrote: nah, i plan to stay at my current capacity. i carried and dumped too much effort into my last couple games and haven't spammed pictures or been a useless pile of shit in a while. gotta level that play and stick to my style of high variance. of course i say that today while i am emotionally stable, and i am prone to getting mad or sad and being a spamlord. but that said i was angle shooting to locate all the VT in the game whatchoo done to advance the game suckafoo? other than slander my LS read, which while normally terrible was better than every non-mafia player's read on him last game which makes my epeen a little bit larger than others and out of proper slanderation range. also i don't think you'll vote on me because it will make you pretty much mafia 8 out of 10 times. firstly because i am pretty much rock solid VT to an undeniable degree, plus i am being an arrogant provoking prick right here instead of ingratiating myself with people and driving for a foothold in town circle which is my general day 1 strat as mafia. but mostly because it violates your own established read on me, which is...and I QUOTE "wow, every time i think rit is town he is mafia and every time i think he is mafia, he is town >< i need to flip my read" -rsoultin, some random amount of time ago but really what it comes down to is that in closed setups as VT it is great to locate other VT or gauge how many VT are in the game and begin forming a coalition; an expedition if you will. it creates a situation where if we VT can properly locate eachother and form a block, then mafia must deal with us and our power otherwise they are conceding day phases. so either they concede day phases to a degree by ignoring us or they let us dominate day phases and target blues. locating other VTs as VT is amazingly beneficial in closed setups and worth angle shooting or fishing to find; people who think otherwise have an entirely different mindset about procedural play in mafia than i do and we probably disagree on most things. VTs unite, let us go on our expedition together. and by let us go on our expedition together i mean let's all unite and get together and then you guys carry me to the end cuz i currently lack the effort levels to carry another game. i just wanna be like the guy who barely makes it on frame in the super hero team picture. also tumblewood might be mafia for dat random pile on @ opportune time with little else done or said, but who actually read this hot trash i just dropped that most people will probably think is disruptive to the game rather than actually a decent idea that can only come from town. or they will just say "nai troll" and move on waiting for me to get pissed off and change, but i plan to muster everything inside me, become a person of the gutter, steel my belly; and hold onto my current performance levels for as long as i can. LET'S GO ON AN EXPEDITION YO'S FO RIZZZZZZZLLLELEEEEELELELELELELELELELELLELELELEELLELE why didn't i stop typing 5 mins ago, this was better and funnier when it was shorter, now it is just kinda sad rambling. a person with a good sense of humor is like a good chef, you need to know restraint. when to stop and simply leave the turd lying on the floor awkwardly. i did not have that restraint here and thus the comedic value dropped quite substantially. it makes me sad a little bit; but at some point the tedium and rambling becomes funny again? right? right? No more joke posts please / : it makes you stupid hard to read and or just plain stupid I also hate your vt flaunt -_- if your blue it draws attention, if your actual vt you may possibly be making life harder for blues. Also literally offering reads on whose vt and whose not 0_0 why give information like that? If your bieng deceptive why risk a reaction from someone less aware of your shit? Anything meant to fool scum likely fools town a day in advance. It just seems so uneccecairy for day 1 and any reads you may nab from your antics are ofset by the sketchiness you cloak yourself in that thereby invalidate your intel. All in all, I hate the way your playing and the detrimental play hidden by your meta veneer of IDGAF could very well be a scum ruse. dont like 50/50 scum for sure. | ||
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there are more meanings to this statement, especially with it's timing. Indeed, Things have Started. y'all gotta find out how fast fast is sson my uncle is 'bout 2 hrs south of y'all. He doesn't y'all ya'know, but he is regardless near you. Interesting. Don't worry about it. only hang-up is I am expecting a Suburban dude. What, you live in 2007? That's an incredibly German-like expression; BUILD BUILD BUILD ENGINEERING PEOPLES :D supermegaalakaslamfishes TECH SUPPORT PLS HELP MAH SLAMMED BUTT Ten plus worthless posts. This is far more in line with the Slam I know T_T Null as certain defect clones (UNLESS SECRETLY HE REACTED TO MY CALLING OUT OF HIS POTENTIALLY SERIUS PLAY BY GETTING SILLY, IM ON TO YOU SLAM) | ||
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What I dislike is the in my opinion too pushy tone here, which you would expect from someone in a heated discussion, but really not from someone who just entered the game. I would expect someone like that to be in a neutral, bored or motivated mood , but not really something like this. Based on this post I will add Kurumi to my scumleans. I fully expect scum to distance from each other in ways like this, and I expect this to contribute to the pool of tells we can get from Koshi if he decides to reply to it. I'm keeping the caveat that Kurumi likes to put up acts of all sorts in mafia games. So not an early priority for me as opposed to gum and LS who in my opinion did more stuff I'd be willing to put my money on. I like this post alot, not just because it aligns with mah own views (thought that always helps) but because it evolves bilievably and it's easy to follow the process of thought 1:Kurumi starts town: Vivax sees his point on koshi, but comes from a diffrent view 2: dips scum :Vivax notes the agressive tone, which is unwaranted, (perhaps a product of adrenaline fitting with a first post of a scum game in some time.) I agree as much. 3: Not a priority: It's perfectly valid to hold someone off if you think they become easier to read later. I agree with that sentiment even if it's unfortunate in this case T_T Noticing the last post while working through the thread, I got curious about shapes read on superbia, which leaves me wondering why shape is so interested about asking these questions which are the sort of questions you like to ask to your scumreads (I'm talking about his question to superbia). I kinda had the feeling there was something to be found here but it's still all pretty consistent besides the suspicion towards super in the last post, but when I look at it closely I'd put shape at the town side of null for the purpose of finding the D1 lynch. Putting forth a bit of mindset work (ie he read him as scummish initially but concluded hes townish by the end) in a logical enough manner (though I would like Vivax to explain what consistent means EXACTLY in this case) suggests an actual process as opposed to an agenda manufacturing reasons for hounding someone. What sticks out is that Kurumi here is pretty focused on LS opinion on the vote without really bothering about his alignment so far. Also the aggressive tone vanished, could be a hint to the aggressive tone being the result of having to doing the first dive into the thread as scum, cause entering the thread as mafia is pretty hard for most out of fear of sounding awkward. And Kurumi came back from a hiatus, so would be consistent with him being mafia. again, comes off as if this is the result of a process (trying to understand why someone might have backed off under pressure) The notable diffrence here between his supiciun of kurumi and me as opposed to kurumis concerning me and licker is that Vivax sounds uncertain but confidant and feels like hes working through a puzzle. Kurumi just comes off as a brute certain that the puzzle pieces will fit cause the box says "good for ages 3 and under". | ||
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On March 24 2016 12:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I think SL is town because his thought process felt a bit more nuanced and energetic at points compared to the last game I played with him where he was scum. This seems fine in terms of logic, also confident and simple (not my strengths but I can appreciate them from afar) Also I agree with his read of Rit, while I think Rit COULD do this as town it comes off as rather pointless at best and fairly destructive at worst. Could ez be scum. Obi is townish despite very little effort, take that for what it's worth (not too much ) : def not a day 1 lynch. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Koshi prewritten for sure, utterly null. I see him as an active helpfull towner who would probally offer an excuse if he was planning to be this inactive. Dont like too much Scumish (40/60) Jat Don't have too many. I read the first pages earlier and they were full of uninteresting gibberish. Now I just read the most recent ones because I somehow can't sleep/headache. meh as fuck, dont know how to read excuses frankly. He could very well be feeling shit, or he could be spouting it. SHOW ME THE TYLENOL JAT. THE PEOPLE WANT PROOF. scumish until pics. (60/40) Licker dont like his role talk, dont like how he assumed what super was reffering to with his vote on me. Also feels pretty meh in his posts, both in content and atitutde (apathetic would be the world) scumish (50/50 ----------------------------- tumbleweed Seeing four people on the gumshoe wagon this early, I'm getting more lynchbait-y vibes from gumshoe. His entrance to the thread was super awkward, and it seems that that is a large basis for all of the votes except Vivax's. If he flips town, one of Superb, SL, Kurumi, and Vivax is scum. dis guy seems legit. also like this from him I'm really not seeing it... why is LS town? You said earlier it was because "he had a few really transparent posts", but I'm not sure what those are. seems like hes trying to understand a vague opinion and comes off pretty calm and attentive in his posts. Seems fine. townish. ---------------------------------- rsoultin: has a meandering post style, hard to read, but sounds like hes having fun you're my town friend ^^ -curls up with- but prob not my buddy his posts are very light and he doesnt come off as stressed at all, which says something cause he has exams atm. I get the sense that playing town for him is stress relief ( to an extent) I couldnt imagine him bieng as chill as he is at this time if he was scum (could be skittled, but more likely hes just having fun) townish ------------------------------- Light he is ethier a perceptive townie or the pocket monster, I have no objectivity townish cause I wanna believe. das all I got. | ||
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y'know gumshoe. you sound like a nice dude who is frustrated, and you're new, and you seem to be trying really hard which is an admirable quality. you bastard XD | ||
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