Maybe I've missed an evolution somewhere along the line but slam seems to be actually trying as opposed to just flaunting his usual semi troll trot. Which isn't a point I'm going to level against him cause wow that would just be bad, but is of note for better or worse. Damdred is of course fishing as one would expect of ether side, words like interesting are rather neutral. A call to arms is also fairly vague, clearly he has notions of how peeps react to something like that, or mabs he's willing to play it by ear. His post feels cautious and calculated few words as it may be. Which could be scummy depending on his meta ( never played with him ) seems intelligent regardless. Parabola sounds like he just doesn't wanna get anyone on his tail but still wants to appear to be a present and beloved member of town. Could be scums, could just be excited to play, maybe he's bieng light to try to attract heat for said lightness thereby kick starting stuff. Multiple personalities can be envisioned from the posts so far, but there is no real leaning towards good or evil. As one would expect a page in to a game.
TLDR As of yet, nothing worth acting on outside of concert with more proof. TLDR for TLDR stuff is stuff
On March 24 2016 08:07 sicklucker wrote: I also agree that talking about slam is very scummy. I have never really tried to read him esp this early!
beetlejuice
On damdred, just went through most of his scum games, he never really goes looking for information this early on in said games / : in his town games he seems to actively hunt (when he manages to actually make it for day 1)
skimmed about 8 games to come to this conclusion (five scum 3 town)
Also theres a fair share of enthusiasm in his tone, something kinda hard to feign while actively fishing.
From the lens of what little I know about him now, he probs town.
On March 24 2016 08:18 Damdred wrote: Here's the thing super, I care about you but I don't care about what you have done up to that point.
Slam seems to care about something which I'm curious about.
Besides that gum can you expand more on your post maybe? You say a few words that seem to call me null but fail to inquire about me or really do anything but ramble a long time and do nothing. So wow me or the storm will be your resting point today.
And koshi won't complain in a palmar game lol.
my key point on you awaited more information which I went and got : P
On March 24 2016 08:20 Superbia wrote: Opens up with a try-hard post which concludes nothing (feels pressured to show towniness- mafia trait).
Then 180 switch and troll response to my pressure. Shows disingenuous state of mind.
Beetlejuice!
oks,
1: I ALWAYS open up with a try hard post as town : P I read into a little a lot and a lot a ton. I can provide older posts of mine regarding this point / : (this an argument I have almost every game so its ok im used to it) and if you arent willing to consider my habits as a player, your not doing everything you can to catch scum (or blah blah omgbus as alternative)
2: You gave me a troll question and I gave you a troll answer / :
3: Are you just coming after me cause your bored and feel something needs to happen cause mafia? Or do you genuinely value your own ideals of what scumminess is (ie try hard) over the reality of how each individual actually plays?
On March 24 2016 07:53 gumshoe wrote: Maybe I've missed an evolution somewhere along the line but slam seems to be actually trying as opposed to just flaunting his usual semi troll trot. Which isn't a point I'm going to level against him cause wow that would just be bad, but is of note for better or worse. Damdred is of course fishing as one would expect of ether side, words like interesting are rather neutral. A call to arms is also fairly vague, clearly he has notions of how peeps react to something like that, or mabs he's willing to play it by ear. His post feels cautious and calculated few words as it may be. Which could be scummy depending on his meta ( never played with him ) seems intelligent regardless. Parabola sounds like he just doesn't wanna get anyone on his tail but still wants to appear to be a present and beloved member of town. Could be scums, could just be excited to play, maybe he's bieng light to try to attract heat for said lightness thereby kick starting stuff. Multiple personalities can be envisioned from the posts so far, but there is no real leaning towards good or evil. As one would expect a page in to a game.
TLDR As of yet, nothing worth acting on outside of concert with more proof. TLDR for TLDR stuff is stuff
I kinda dislike this post. He said Slam not acting liking like his normal semi troll trot yet said he never plays with him? Unless talking about pregame then how would he know how slam acts like?
I have played with Slam 0_0 just not in a long time. The slam I know is kind of a derpy fellow, here he is being helpful. Hence noteworthy. If you wanna see that as malevolent crumbing then I feel your projecting a smidge / :
On March 24 2016 08:20 Superbia wrote: Opens up with a try-hard post which concludes nothing (feels pressured to show towniness- mafia trait).
Then 180 switch and troll response to my pressure. Shows disingenuous state of mind.
Beetlejuice!
oks,
1: I ALWAYS open up with a try hard post as town : P I read into a little a lot and a lot a ton. I can provide older posts of mine regarding this point / : (this an argument I have almost every game so its ok im used to it) and if you arent willing to consider my habits as a player, your not doing everything you can to catch scum (or blah blah omgbus as alternative)
2: You gave me a troll question and I gave you a troll answer / :
3: Are you just coming after me cause your bored and feel something needs to happen cause mafia? Or do you genuinely value your own ideals of what scumminess is (ie try hard) over the reality of how each individual actually plays?
Do you think I'm town?
Well you wanted to get the game started, which is a baseline townie mind set, casting the first vote this early when evi is pretty vague and your case is fairly shallow implies a fair share of courage, as you could easily be jumped on for a weak case this early. Which if your town you could even want as that helps you find scum potentially.
You also seem to care what I think (at least seemingly) which isnt what scum trying to bury a townie early would want.
From a scum perspective its a big play and heat you dont need. Your experienced so this would be borderline reckless mastery rather than blunder. Last game I was in had a spymaster but he was rather timid early and overall that case seems far less likely from a perspective of ideal play.
On March 24 2016 08:31 LightningStrike wrote: Superbia don't you think it's a little early for a vote? Also I had decided to explore the TL Database and long a behold gumshoe is a vet O_o
On March 24 2016 08:20 Superbia wrote: Opens up with a try-hard post which concludes nothing (feels pressured to show towniness- mafia trait).
Then 180 switch and troll response to my pressure. Shows disingenuous state of mind.
Beetlejuice!
oks,
1: I ALWAYS open up with a try hard post as town : P I read into a little a lot and a lot a ton. I can provide older posts of mine regarding this point / : (this an argument I have almost every game so its ok im used to it) and if you arent willing to consider my habits as a player, your not doing everything you can to catch scum (or blah blah omgbus as alternative)
2: You gave me a troll question and I gave you a troll answer / :
3: Are you just coming after me cause your bored and feel something needs to happen cause mafia? Or do you genuinely value your own ideals of what scumminess is (ie try hard) over the reality of how each individual actually plays?
Really do not care for self meta or meta in general. I look at database thou. LS didn't help my likeness for meta.
3 sounds semi-attackish based off tone.
get over that, it matters a ton, it's a tool at your disposal you should always consider if perhaps with a fair share of skepticism.
3 WAS semi atakish : P im a very emotional player, which you would know if you knew mah meta : P
On March 24 2016 08:20 Superbia wrote: Opens up with a try-hard post which concludes nothing (feels pressured to show towniness- mafia trait).
Then 180 switch and troll response to my pressure. Shows disingenuous state of mind.
Beetlejuice!
oks,
1: I ALWAYS open up with a try hard post as town : P I read into a little a lot and a lot a ton. I can provide older posts of mine regarding this point / : (this an argument I have almost every game so its ok im used to it) and if you arent willing to consider my habits as a player, your not doing everything you can to catch scum (or blah blah omgbus as alternative)
2: You gave me a troll question and I gave you a troll answer / :
3: Are you just coming after me cause your bored and feel something needs to happen cause mafia? Or do you genuinely value your own ideals of what scumminess is (ie try hard) over the reality of how each individual actually plays?
Do you think I'm town?
Well you wanted to get the game started, which is a baseline townie mind set, casting the first vote this early when evi is pretty vague and your case is fairly shallow implies a fair share of courage, as you could easily be jumped on for a weak case this early. Which if your town you could even want as that helps you find scum potentially.
You also seem to care what I think (at least seemingly) which isnt what scum trying to bury a townie early would want.
From a scum perspective its a big play and heat you dont need. Your experienced so this would be borderline reckless mastery rather than blunder. Last game I was in had a spymaster but he was rather timid early and overall that case seems far less likely from a perspective of ideal play.
TLDR your probs town / :
Okay. Did you reach this conclusion before you made the first post in this quote chain?
On March 24 2016 08:20 Superbia wrote: Opens up with a try-hard post which concludes nothing (feels pressured to show towniness- mafia trait).
Then 180 switch and troll response to my pressure. Shows disingenuous state of mind.
Beetlejuice!
oks,
1: I ALWAYS open up with a try hard post as town : P I read into a little a lot and a lot a ton. I can provide older posts of mine regarding this point / : (this an argument I have almost every game so its ok im used to it) and if you arent willing to consider my habits as a player, your not doing everything you can to catch scum (or blah blah omgbus as alternative)
2: You gave me a troll question and I gave you a troll answer / :
3: Are you just coming after me cause your bored and feel something needs to happen cause mafia? Or do you genuinely value your own ideals of what scumminess is (ie try hard) over the reality of how each individual actually plays?
Not really? That post was an emotional one, not logical. I usually respond very early to insults/accusations and get caught up in them so this game I made a rule where I would wait for at least three accusations (ie beetlejuice) and in the meantime look elsewhere for clues(damdreds history in this case). That response was sort of just me chomping on the bit wanting to get mah piece out there / : I regarded you as hostile null at the time of it. Only when you asked me specifically what I imagined about you did I gather my thoughts and come to what I deemed an impartial conclusion.
On March 24 2016 08:20 Superbia wrote: Opens up with a try-hard post which concludes nothing (feels pressured to show towniness- mafia trait).
Then 180 switch and troll response to my pressure. Shows disingenuous state of mind.
Beetlejuice!
oks,
1: I ALWAYS open up with a try hard post as town : P I read into a little a lot and a lot a ton. I can provide older posts of mine regarding this point / : (this an argument I have almost every game so its ok im used to it) and if you arent willing to consider my habits as a player, your not doing everything you can to catch scum (or blah blah omgbus as alternative)
2: You gave me a troll question and I gave you a troll answer / :
3: Are you just coming after me cause your bored and feel something needs to happen cause mafia? Or do you genuinely value your own ideals of what scumminess is (ie try hard) over the reality of how each individual actually plays?
Do you think I'm town?
Well you wanted to get the game started, which is a baseline townie mind set, casting the first vote this early when evi is pretty vague and your case is fairly shallow implies a fair share of courage, as you could easily be jumped on for a weak case this early. Which if your town you could even want as that helps you find scum potentially.
You also seem to care what I think (at least seemingly) which isnt what scum trying to bury a townie early would want.
From a scum perspective its a big play and heat you dont need. Your experienced so this would be borderline reckless mastery rather than blunder. Last game I was in had a spymaster but he was rather timid early and overall that case seems far less likely from a perspective of ideal play.
TLDR your probs town / :
Okay. Did you reach this conclusion before you made the first post in this quote chain?
On March 24 2016 08:20 Superbia wrote: Opens up with a try-hard post which concludes nothing (feels pressured to show towniness- mafia trait).
Then 180 switch and troll response to my pressure. Shows disingenuous state of mind.
Beetlejuice!
oks,
1: I ALWAYS open up with a try hard post as town : P I read into a little a lot and a lot a ton. I can provide older posts of mine regarding this point / : (this an argument I have almost every game so its ok im used to it) and if you arent willing to consider my habits as a player, your not doing everything you can to catch scum (or blah blah omgbus as alternative)
2: You gave me a troll question and I gave you a troll answer / :
3: Are you just coming after me cause your bored and feel something needs to happen cause mafia? Or do you genuinely value your own ideals of what scumminess is (ie try hard) over the reality of how each individual actually plays?
Not really? That post was an emotional one, not logical. I usually respond very early to insults/accusations and get caught up in them so this game I made a rule where I would wait for at least three accusations (ie beetlejuice) and in the meantime look elsewhere for clues(damdreds history in this case). That response was sort of just me chomping on the bit wanting to get mah piece out there / : I regarded you as hostile null at the time of it. Only when you asked me specifically what I imagined about you did I gather my thoughts and come to what I deemed an impartial conclusion.
I am conflicted. 3: Are you just coming after me cause your bored and feel something needs to happen cause mafia? Or do you genuinely value your own ideals of what scumminess is (ie try hard) over the reality of how each individual actually plays? is straight up thought process evaluation from the POV where I'm town.
How is this possible when you had no town read on me yet?
read earlier in that very post
and if you arent willing to consider my habits as a player, your not doing everything you can to catch scum (or blah blah omgbus as alternative)
the whole notion of accusing someone because they are accusing you is hardlined into my brain as a dumb one. Which is why when I speak to someone whose accusing me I like to think thier town that I can convince rather than mafia because if they are mafia I have no real objectivity. But that bit there is present to indicate that yes, at the time I was open to you bieng scum / : so no need for confliction on this acount.
What was the meaning of this post? What the hell is "Won't lynch right now Mafia" - is there any case where you don't lynch a Mafia I am missing? Why do you need the "Confirmed" spoiler if the confirmation comes from the host through flips and the updated player list? Is the reason you made that list is that Mafia has a cheatsheet for shots? Nothing good can come from this. I highly dislike this type of lists, especially that you have not commented on what is going to happen with it.
On March 24 2016 07:53 gumshoe wrote: Maybe I've missed an evolution somewhere along the line but slam seems to be actually trying as opposed to just flaunting his usual semi troll trot. Which isn't a point I'm going to level against him cause wow that would just be bad, but is of note for better or worse. Damdred is of course fishing as one would expect of ether side, words like interesting are rather neutral. A call to arms is also fairly vague, clearly he has notions of how peeps react to something like that, or mabs he's willing to play it by ear. His post feels cautious and calculated few words as it may be. Which could be scummy depending on his meta ( never played with him ) seems intelligent regardless. Parabola sounds like he just doesn't wanna get anyone on his tail but still wants to appear to be a present and beloved member of town. Could be scums, could just be excited to play, maybe he's bieng light to try to attract heat for said lightness thereby kick starting stuff. Multiple personalities can be envisioned from the posts so far, but there is no real leaning towards good or evil. As one would expect a page in to a game.
TLDR As of yet, nothing worth acting on outside of concert with more proof. TLDR for TLDR stuff is stuff
This post gave me so many rubs in such bad ways that I just can't let it go. a) The comment on Slam: Not only it's absolutely unnecessary, it ends with "Well, I shouldn't bring it up because it's bad" - so why bother? You know it is bad and you still do it. I mean, I guess you want people to focus on that for some reason, but I'd rather focus on you. Also, if Chezinu Rule is to be trusted, we may have another testament to this. b) Damdred's fishing. Not only I have not seen anything of that nature till that post, but also we are met with a statement that "fishing is to be expected of either side". Oh boy, no, not at all. Fishing for roles is not something you expect from either side. Fishing is Mafia's job. I highly dislike the attempt to paint it as ambiguous. I also do not understand why would you bring attention to any odd words in a person's post. If that's a crumb, you don't want Mafia to see it. Odd wording - go ahead, it might be a slip. But random, seemingly non-related words? No way. c) Read on Superbia. Another read straight outta fortune teller. Why would you, gumshoe, try to paint Superbia as suspicious? At the point of posting that, the only thing Superbia has said about himself was that "you should care about him", which pretty much goes contrary to your point about him not wanting anyone on his tail. d) You end your post saying that it is not really worth much, but you managed to paint Superbia scum, excuse Damdred non-existant fishing and point out that pointing out Slam's behaviour at this stage of the game does more harm than good. You note that people might be excited about something, that they look for something, but you seem not to look for anything. You created a mid-sized post detailing less than a page of a game for nothing, what you admit, but you would not have done that if it really was nothing, so what is your agenda behind that post?
1: There is no real substance insofar in game hence there is no real substance to the post / : 2: I am self admittedly terrible at fishing, every atempt I have made to fish has ended in disaster because the truth is I am natural bait without a modicum of effort and said effort usually casts me too far into the jaws to escape. So I dont fish except on holidays which limits my early game contribtion 3:my post isnt trying to acomplish anything really / : its a look into my thought process which I usually commit to thread as a matter of course. 4: If you think I posted because I felt pressured to post, your not wrong, I want to play and engage with others, not lurk, if what I have to offer on page two of the game isnt up to par, my apologies / : there are no real accusations because there are no evident scum, only thoughts on play and considerations for the future.
On March 24 2016 08:59 LightningStrike wrote: So Kurumi any other thoughts you want to share?
People should slow the hell down, I am astonished with the role talking and people manage to create another page of it. I see nothing wrong with Superbia's early vote on gumshoe. When did sicklucker say anything about gumshoe? He has vote on him and no posts to back it up.
On March 24 2016 08:07 sicklucker wrote: I also agree that talking about slam is very scummy. I have never really tried to read him esp this early!
It was a indirect reference.
and of course the fishy bit of assuming why someone was making an acusation and passing off that assumption as fact / : perhaps fishing for the actual reasoning or trying to come off as a kindred mind. It's quite peculiar to me.
On March 24 2016 08:59 LightningStrike wrote: So Kurumi any other thoughts you want to share?
People should slow the hell down, I am astonished with the role talking and people manage to create another page of it. I see nothing wrong with Superbia's early vote on gumshoe. When did sicklucker say anything about gumshoe? He has vote on him and no posts to back it up.
On March 24 2016 08:07 sicklucker wrote: I also agree that talking about slam is very scummy. I have never really tried to read him esp this early!
It was a indirect reference.
and of course the fishy bit of assuming why someone was making an acusation and passing off that assumption as fact / : perhaps fishing for the actual reasoning or trying to come off as a kindred mind. It's quite peculiar to me.
50 50 scum for sure.
50 50 scum on me or sicklucker? It was a post referencing you indirectly by sicklucker.
I know, I was refrencing sicklucker.
I think it's bizzare that your defending me with us having never played together before 0_0 a rare ocaison indeed. I would award townie points but hard to be objective about potential pocket monsters.
What was the meaning of this post? What the hell is "Won't lynch right now Mafia" - is there any case where you don't lynch a Mafia I am missing? Why do you need the "Confirmed" spoiler if the confirmation comes from the host through flips and the updated player list? Is the reason you made that list is that Mafia has a cheatsheet for shots? Nothing good can come from this. I highly dislike this type of lists, especially that you have not commented on what is going to happen with it.
On March 24 2016 07:53 gumshoe wrote: Maybe I've missed an evolution somewhere along the line but slam seems to be actually trying as opposed to just flaunting his usual semi troll trot. Which isn't a point I'm going to level against him cause wow that would just be bad, but is of note for better or worse. Damdred is of course fishing as one would expect of ether side, words like interesting are rather neutral. A call to arms is also fairly vague, clearly he has notions of how peeps react to something like that, or mabs he's willing to play it by ear. His post feels cautious and calculated few words as it may be. Which could be scummy depending on his meta ( never played with him ) seems intelligent regardless. Parabola sounds like he just doesn't wanna get anyone on his tail but still wants to appear to be a present and beloved member of town. Could be scums, could just be excited to play, maybe he's bieng light to try to attract heat for said lightness thereby kick starting stuff. Multiple personalities can be envisioned from the posts so far, but there is no real leaning towards good or evil. As one would expect a page in to a game.
TLDR As of yet, nothing worth acting on outside of concert with more proof. TLDR for TLDR stuff is stuff
This post gave me so many rubs in such bad ways that I just can't let it go. a) The comment on Slam: Not only it's absolutely unnecessary, it ends with "Well, I shouldn't bring it up because it's bad" - so why bother? You know it is bad and you still do it. I mean, I guess you want people to focus on that for some reason, but I'd rather focus on you. Also, if Chezinu Rule is to be trusted, we may have another testament to this. b) Damdred's fishing. Not only I have not seen anything of that nature till that post, but also we are met with a statement that "fishing is to be expected of either side". Oh boy, no, not at all. Fishing for roles is not something you expect from either side. Fishing is Mafia's job. I highly dislike the attempt to paint it as ambiguous. I also do not understand why would you bring attention to any odd words in a person's post. If that's a crumb, you don't want Mafia to see it. Odd wording - go ahead, it might be a slip. But random, seemingly non-related words? No way. c) Read on Superbia. Another read straight outta fortune teller. Why would you, gumshoe, try to paint Superbia as suspicious? At the point of posting that, the only thing Superbia has said about himself was that "you should care about him", which pretty much goes contrary to your point about him not wanting anyone on his tail. d) You end your post saying that it is not really worth much, but you managed to paint Superbia scum, excuse Damdred non-existant fishing and point out that pointing out Slam's behaviour at this stage of the game does more harm than good. You note that people might be excited about something, that they look for something, but you seem not to look for anything. You created a mid-sized post detailing less than a page of a game for nothing, what you admit, but you would not have done that if it really was nothing, so what is your agenda behind that post?
1: There is no real substance insofar in game hence there is no real substance to the post / : 2: I am self admittedly terrible at fishing, every atempt I have made to fish has ended in disaster because the truth is I am natural bait without a modicum of effort and said effort usually casts me too far into the jaws to escape. So I dont fish except on holidays which limits my early game contribtion 3:my post isnt trying to acomplish anything really / : its a look into my thought process which I usually commit to thread as a matter of course. 4: If you think I posted because I felt pressured to post, your not wrong, I want to play and engage with others, not lurk, if what I have to offer on page two of the game isnt up to par, my apologies / : there are no real accusations because there are no evident scum, only thoughts on play and considerations for the future.
1. Then why did you try to make it look like there is any substance to your post? 2. Okay, but how is that a reply to my point about fishing being mafia-sided? Or that you are accusing Damdred of it, while he has not done that? 3. It does seem more of a process of incriminating others than your thought process. I see more accusations in this post than analysis. 4. Fine. There are many ways to enter a game. Making a post like this is not a town-way of entering the game. One this is to be pressured to post, another is to be pressured to post something of substance. Mafia is more prone to feel the second pressure, which I think your post has shown - it might look like it has substance, but under a second of thought it turns out to only look like it.
On March 24 2016 08:59 LightningStrike wrote: So Kurumi any other thoughts you want to share?
People should slow the hell down, I am astonished with the role talking and people manage to create another page of it. I see nothing wrong with Superbia's early vote on gumshoe. When did sicklucker say anything about gumshoe? He has vote on him and no posts to back it up.
On March 24 2016 08:07 sicklucker wrote: I also agree that talking about slam is very scummy. I have never really tried to read him esp this early!
It was a indirect reference.
Thanks. Still, out of gumshoe's terrible post he decides that talking about Slam is the biggest indicator of gumshoe being scum? Where's the explanation sicklucker?! I disagree that talking about Slam is an indicator of being scum (in this case) - the way gumshoe has talked about Slam is an indicator of being scum. Huge difference.
I dont like how your kinda setting up on both sides of the fence (ie it's unlikely me and sick are both scum) feels like your priming a lynch set up / :
as for your points
1: I didnt try, that shit came out in like 40 seconds-a min. All my posts are basically like that / : im not trying to inject substance, thats just my post style regardless of the actual content.
2: early game fishing is neutral as both sides needs information to act. So frankly I disagree with you.
3: you youself said theres no substance, thats because theres very little in the way of acusations. Read it again, I consider there posts from both perspectives, thats all, cant help it if people project / :
4: its my way of entering a game, so my apologies if thats a hindrance.
On March 24 2016 08:59 LightningStrike wrote: So Kurumi any other thoughts you want to share?
People should slow the hell down, I am astonished with the role talking and people manage to create another page of it. I see nothing wrong with Superbia's early vote on gumshoe. When did sicklucker say anything about gumshoe? He has vote on him and no posts to back it up.
On March 24 2016 08:07 sicklucker wrote: I also agree that talking about slam is very scummy. I have never really tried to read him esp this early!
It was a indirect reference.
and of course the fishy bit of assuming why someone was making an acusation and passing off that assumption as fact / : perhaps fishing for the actual reasoning or trying to come off as a kindred mind. It's quite peculiar to me.
50 50 scum for sure.
50 50 scum on me or sicklucker? It was a post referencing you indirectly by sicklucker.
I know, I was refrencing sicklucker.
I think it's bizzare that your defending me with us having never played together before 0_0 a rare ocaison indeed. I would award townie points but hard to be objective about potential pocket monsters.
EPT
