EPTTL Mafia LXXIV: Storm Mafia 3
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On March 09 2016 07:04 Damdred wrote: Anyone who avoids this game doesn't get any Damdred love ever. I've been waiting palmar and marv since storm two ended for my redemption. Much anticipation and hype have filled my soul and with this I very proudly and thankful put /In chuckle worthy post Wasnt storm 2 ur first game here? I vaguely remember being mafia if im not mistaken. | ||
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On March 09 2016 08:14 Damdred wrote: I love IML and to some extent I wish that we had more games that used it. There are pros and cons, the players are more in control of when the day ends for example while there still being a hard deadline I believe in this case. Parts of it are scum favored like the no lynch if nobody cares. There is also the situation where a lynch just gains momentum like the bm lynch in season of a witch and town just acts stupid. Its on the players though. This setup is really difficult for town and mafia and relies on a fairly active town to even be in contention. And I promise va I'll leave him alone d1. And yes vivax was ny first game you got me lynched d4 or d5 when you went 1 v 1. RIP the newbie damdred Yea I genuinely felt bad for you, it was like leading a puppy eyed lamb to the slaughter. Rip damdred the bambi. I like IML cause it rewards mafia if they play well and doesn't force them to be active for 48 h straight. | ||
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On March 20 2016 09:09 marvellosity wrote: topless pics, a back rub, a hug, or a beer whenever i may see you. you choose. the variety is remarkable. you too nocturne. Sounds good, im back /in | ||
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On March 24 2016 07:13 Koshi wrote: Confirmed Town + Show Spoiler + Likely Town + Show Spoiler + Maybe town + Show Spoiler + Not going to lynch Town + Show Spoiler + Null + Show Spoiler + VayneAuthority Kurumi Stutters695 Damdred sandroba ObiWanShinobi Rels justanothertownie Tictock ritoky sicklucker Alakaslam Tumblewood Shapelog Vivax rsoultin LightningStrike Superbia Tubesock gumshoe Won't lynch right now Mafia + Show Spoiler + Maybe Mafia + Show Spoiler + Likely Mafia + Show Spoiler + Confirmed Mafia + Show Spoiler + Koshi wrote this up before even getting his pm would be my guess, since there is no other happy koshi or serious koshi stuff he is a scumlean until he starts getting his posting fits again. On March 24 2016 07:25 Damdred wrote: Into the breech once more says I. Who wants to be my right hand man/woman to bring town their first storm victory! Koshi is a interesting person so far, Ritoky less so which is sad The random car pic was more interesting in my opinion, mostly cause it left me wondering whereas Koshi gave me something alignment indicative already. What's your take if you spell it out? On March 24 2016 07:53 gumshoe wrote: Maybe I've missed an evolution somewhere along the line but slam seems to be actually trying as opposed to just flaunting his usual semi troll trot. Which isn't a point I'm going to level against him cause wow that would just be bad, but is of note for better or worse. Damdred is of course fishing as one would expect of ether side, words like interesting are rather neutral. A call to arms is also fairly vague, clearly he has notions of how peeps react to something like that, or mabs he's willing to play it by ear. His post feels cautious and calculated few words as it may be. Which could be scummy depending on his meta ( never played with him ) seems intelligent regardless. Parabola sounds like he just doesn't wanna get anyone on his tail but still wants to appear to be a present and beloved member of town. Could be scums, could just be excited to play, maybe he's bieng light to try to attract heat for said lightness thereby kick starting stuff. Multiple personalities can be envisioned from the posts so far, but there is no real leaning towards good or evil. As one would expect a page in to a game. TLDR As of yet, nothing worth acting on outside of concert with more proof. TLDR for TLDR stuff is stuff I'm undecided on this post cause it strikes me as genuine for a guy who talks as much as gumshoe, but I dislike the fact that he seems to try so hard to just inflate the content by talking about everything even if he's undecided on it, or seems irrelevant, I'll put him at the scummy null side of things for now. On March 24 2016 07:59 Superbia wrote: I encourage everyone to follow my voting pattern this game. Starting with my first vote.  Super cocky post, on top of it for gums post that deserves it. Town lean for the fact that super here really wants to be acknowledged and sees the gumshoe vote as something that he should get credit for, not really the sort of cockiness I expect from mafia. It's a given super is not the D1 lynch. | ||
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After agreeing with super on gum for the slamtalk SL already strikes bridges to LS alignment in a way I find myself agreeing with. LS is being timid and for some reason thinks it's too early for voting and looks up something irrelevant on gumshoe. Reminder: This isn't IML , no reason to think any vote could be too early. Scumlean LS and townlean SL. | ||
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On March 24 2016 08:18 Damdred wrote: Here's the thing super, I care about you but I don't care about what you have done up to that point. Slam seems to care about something which I'm curious about. Besides that gum can you expand more on your post maybe? You say a few words that seem to call me null but fail to inquire about me or really do anything but ramble a long time and do nothing. So wow me or the storm will be your resting point today. And koshi won't complain in a palmar game lol. Kinda leaning town for this post cause of the first sentence. It has a bit to do with association, but it's the fact that it's a pretty dickish thing to say to someone I think is town. It's a weak read however, Damdy is far from a firm spot in the readbook. On March 24 2016 08:19 gumshoe wrote: beetlejuice On damdred, just went through most of his scum games, he never really goes looking for information this early on in said games / : in his town games he seems to actively hunt (when he manages to actually make it for day 1) skimmed about 8 games to come to this conclusion (five scum 3 town) Also theres a fair share of enthusiasm in his tone, something kinda hard to feign while actively fishing. From the lens of what little I know about him now, he probs town. The bolded is a bit suspicious to me cause it's like gummy is trying to tell us how much work he has done to reach his conclusion, which is something he would do to reach a favourable impression. There's also the possibility he wants to give it some sort of statistical reliability which is what he will claim when confronted with this but I believe it's not a townie thing to say, combined with his previous post. On March 24 2016 08:23 LightningStrike wrote: I here I forgot this game had started. I kinda dislike this post. He said Slam not acting liking like his normal semi troll trot yet said he never plays with him? Unless talking about pregame then how would he know how slam acts like? LS said it was too early for a vote on gum before even reading his first post? Not cool. | ||
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The point that an early vote on someone he claimed to be not liking bothers him still stands. On March 24 2016 08:52 Kurumi wrote: What was the meaning of this post? What the hell is "Won't lynch right now Mafia" - is there any case where you don't lynch a Mafia I am missing? Why do you need the "Confirmed" spoiler if the confirmation comes from the host through flips and the updated player list? Is the reason you made that list is that Mafia has a cheatsheet for shots? Nothing good can come from this. I highly dislike this type of lists, especially that you have not commented on what is going to happen with it. This post gave me so many rubs in such bad ways that I just can't let it go. a) The comment on Slam: Not only it's absolutely unnecessary, it ends with "Well, I shouldn't bring it up because it's bad" - so why bother? You know it is bad and you still do it. I mean, I guess you want people to focus on that for some reason, but I'd rather focus on you. Also, if Chezinu Rule is to be trusted, we may have another testament to this. b) Damdred's fishing. Not only I have not seen anything of that nature till that post, but also we are met with a statement that "fishing is to be expected of either side". Oh boy, no, not at all. Fishing for roles is not something you expect from either side. Fishing is Mafia's job. I highly dislike the attempt to paint it as ambiguous. I also do not understand why would you bring attention to any odd words in a person's post. If that's a crumb, you don't want Mafia to see it. Odd wording - go ahead, it might be a slip. But random, seemingly non-related words? No way. c) Read on Superbia. Another read straight outta fortune teller. Why would you, gumshoe, try to paint Superbia as suspicious? At the point of posting that, the only thing Superbia has said about himself was that "you should care about him", which pretty much goes contrary to your point about him not wanting anyone on his tail. d) You end your post saying that it is not really worth much, but you managed to paint Superbia scum, excuse Damdred non-existant fishing and point out that pointing out Slam's behaviour at this stage of the game does more harm than good. You note that people might be excited about something, that they look for something, but you seem not to look for anything. You created a mid-sized post detailing less than a page of a game for nothing, what you admit, but you would not have done that if it really was nothing, so what is your agenda behind that post? I like that Kurumi points this out as it bothered me as well, but for different reasons. Koshi's town meta isn't that he literally posts nothing as the game starts and he's present. I would have expected some sort of trademarkish "Koshi will play like this this game, Koshi is town", you probably know what I mean. When he talks of himself in third person and explains why he's playing differently, and if he isn''t he just shows some basic level of care. What I dislike is the in my opinion too pushy tone here, which you would expect from someone in a heated discussion, but really not from someone who just entered the game. I would expect someone like that to be in a neutral, bored or motivated mood , but not really something like this. Based on this post I will add Kurumi to my scumleans. I fully expect scum to distance from each other in ways like this, and I expect this to contribute to the pool of tells we can get from Koshi if he decides to reply to it. I'm keeping the caveat that Kurumi likes to put up acts of all sorts in mafia games. So not an early priority for me as opposed to gum and LS who in my opinion did more stuff I'd be willing to put my money on. On March 24 2016 08:36 Shapelog wrote: Sure. I do like reasons though so :C Superbia: slightly town Slam: Slightly town Damdred: Null Koshi:Nullz Gumshow: Null On March 24 2016 08:54 Shapelog wrote: Nice way of saying null, without saying null. What did you find interesting in it btw? On March 24 2016 08:58 Shapelog wrote: Yes it does. Especially in your case since you are directly comparing the serious tone from Gumshow to this new "trollish" post. Unless this was a rhetorical question. I am bad at those. Why aren't you answering this clearly btw? Noticing the last post while working through the thread, I got curious about shapes read on superbia, which leaves me wondering why shape is so interested about asking these questions which are the sort of questions you like to ask to your scumreads (I'm talking about his question to superbia). I kinda had the feeling there was something to be found here but it's still all pretty consistent besides the suspicion towards super in the last post, but when I look at it closely I'd put shape at the town side of null for the purpose of finding the D1 lynch. On March 24 2016 09:01 Kurumi wrote: People should slow the hell down, I am astonished with the role talking and people manage to create another page of it. I see nothing wrong with Superbia's early vote on gumshoe. When did sicklucker say anything about gumshoe? He has vote on him and no posts to back it up. What sticks out is that Kurumi here is pretty focused on LS opinion on the vote without really bothering about his alignment so far. Also the aggressive tone vanished, could be a hint to the aggressive tone being the result of having to doing the first dive into the thread as scum, cause entering the thread as mafia is pretty hard for most out of fear of sounding awkward. 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I'll reply to stuff when I think I got most of the game covered, until then I prefer to play this in obs qt mode, it kinda makes my reads more accurate. | ||
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It will take me another day of facepalming at some posts (which is going to happen at night when I dream myself headbanging my keyboard) before spelling out all the wrong that has been happening since the gumshoe shot. The suspicion on Koshi Kurumu and LS remains unchanged but also unupdated in part. The tryhard mode will be back tomorrow, superbia is officially kicked out from my townreads into the something category (still no lyncherino on D1 tho). The gross picture is that a bunch of people base all their content around actions and roles which is something you never never should do as town, and do as much as possible as mafia cause it gives you an excuse for every read you need to have without having to think about making up something complex. Just pick the side you wanna be on and slam your fist onto the table yelling "this is how it is", and ready is the boshit cannon of shitty opinions everyone starts giving in reply. It has always been like this with dayvigs. Prplhz in personality 1,2 or something shooting Bugs impersonating Chezinu and I was sure he was mafia for the shot (ofc he was town), but no matter who was right the shitstorm was secured. Learn from your mistakes and just disregard anything that happens around actions as something alignment indicative. If anything consider anyone who takes advantage of it (like Koshi) to be particularly suspicious. Vivax news off. | ||
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On March 25 2016 21:55 Kurumi wrote: I have a feeling that Mafia is playing a Lurker city type of game so far. VA's post rubbed me totally the wrong way, given that he was in the thread and failed to make any contributions and now he declared he's afk till D2. He did not even vote.... Still don't like sicklucker (gut tells me so, he seems to be apathetic about the game) and Tubesock's gameplay so far has been iffy. I have a feeling you are mafia, this feels like one of the few games where I can say that I think VA is town cause he had the opportunity to talk about a lot of useless stuff that has been going on and he didn't, which I'm confident he would do as mafia. He pretty much only talked about what was important to him even though it would seem like it wasn't enough content and not ritokys plays or the shot on gum which are a great semi-usefulness generator for mafia. At the end of the day I might end up sheeping sandroba, dunno depends on me finding stuff that can actually get a mafia lynched. Kurumi Koshi seem like good places I will look at, and rsoultin cause my newly found townreads think shes mafia. | ||
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On March 25 2016 22:21 Kurumi wrote: All that is in VA's filter is that he will be voting for rso and that he did not read much of the thread. He brought nothing of substance concerning rso, he said his vote would be be "half policy, half read". So no, he wasn't useful, he did not talk only about things important to him - his entire filter is just fluff like "oh man blues be blues everytime I play a game". He actively avoided talking about anything at all in any way and you believe that's better than talking? Bogus Vivax, bogus. Why do you want to sheep sandroba? Why are you already agreeing that rso is a good lynch prior to having your own opinion? The only good thing from this post of yours is the mention of Koshi @Koshi get into the thread and post normally or I am going to arrange us a lovely rendez-vous. That's why I TR VA, cause of the lack of feigned usefulness he is capable of delivering when he has plenty of opportunities in this game to display it, which as I remember he prefers to do when he's scum. Sandro is a sheep cause he's likely town and not bad at the game. If he thinks rso is mafia along with my other TR VA I'm willing to sheep it already. If I had my own reasons it wouldn't be sheeping. | ||
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On March 26 2016 01:06 rsoultin wrote: okay, i've given him enough time. rit's more scum, but y'all are awful and i'm almost as sure on kuru lol >< really fake-seeming rage + misrepresentation + no scumreads other than OMGUS...just poofing ##vote kurumi This might just be the reason for me not to just sheep someone today and lynch you. I still will have to someday, to satisfy the need to punish your brother for the secret hitler game. | ||
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Why can he be mafia? He has this sort of super serious tone. All his posts are super austerity mode and lack fantasy and fun. My entrance was also super austerity and as a consequence I ended up paying attention to little things too much probably. Some of these little things might not have been bad but with gumshoe I needed the big picture, which I admittedly didn't bother to get while we had much time. Not a reason for him to be mafia but definitely a reason for him not to be townread. | ||
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All his posts are super austerity mode and lack fantasy and fun. My entrance was also super austerity and as a consequence I ended up paying attention to little things too much probably. Some of these little things might not have been bad but with gumshoe I needed the big picture, which I admittedly didn't bother to get while we had much time. I forgot to add something here, since I wanted to finish my line of thought: I ended up maybe putting too much fantasy into stuff when going into the game super serious, which is why I noticed the lack thereof in tubesock. Could be cause we are different, could be cause putting too much weight into stuff is a townie trait, which is why I put weight into this. With this you might see the point of mentioning it. While I tend to read a lot into things tube just summarizes and goes for a lot of different angles without really finding one that's particularly interesting for him. | ||
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On March 25 2016 01:24 Tubesock wrote: Good morning. Kurumi is my biggest scum read. Seems opportunistic with the Gumdrops push. Damdred was fishing (but not for roles) and it didn't seem Gums was saying Damdred was fishing for that, but Kurumi jumps his ass. Meanwhile Ritoky ACTUALLY fishes for roles yet all Kurumi says is "very vary of Ritoky". The rest of Kurumi's posts seem nitpicky. Tumble and Shape are forgettable and blending. I'm going to leave Koshi at null. I'm not liking his "play" but I did like his little outburst of emotion. Although, I find it hard to believe that can't be faked. As far as town I think my strongest TR's are Superbia, Vivax just below Jat and Rels. Damdred with a town lean. Ritoky probably is in fact VT. Slam I think is probably town. I am having trouble seeing the point of breadcrumbing so much if he were mafia. Why not just shut up and blow someone up? I do want to hear his explanation. On March 25 2016 06:38 Tubesock wrote: I didn't skim your posts. I did not bring up your lack or reads so why the defensiveness? What I think your reads were is basically Superbia and Lightninstrike are town and ritoky and Gum were mafia. ALthough you didn't talk much about ritoky. Not nearly as much as Gum anyway. What do you currently think of Ritoky? On March 25 2016 06:54 Kurumi wrote: You accused me of not being hard enough on ritoky - that I am hard on fishing, but not on him, although he is fishing. Look at my posts! I said that role talk is absolutely terrible, that people should stop and that I am vary of ritoky. He was my 2nd scum read at the time - but what I saw in gumshoe was more sure for me - I saw scum agenda together with defending scum agenda, can't get more scummy than that this early. I have already voiced my opinion on ritoky, if you really read my posts you should know that he had a paragraph in my last big post. Yep like this confirms my feelings that tube is just posting to post, but it doesn't exclude kurumi from being mafia as well. Kurumi talked "extensively" about ritokys plays, tube has him as scumread yes but shape and tumble seem to be next in line, and the most interesting thing he thinks of is kurumis opinion on ritoky, like...again...? Question is too random, I don't really see the line of thought that could lead to it, and then to a sandroba vote. | ||
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On March 25 2016 03:49 Damdred wrote: VayneAuthority Kurumi Stutters695 sandroba Rels Tictock Tumblewood Tubesock Right now I think most of the scum is in this list so far, or at least people I would think about lynching today. Kurumi, VA and Rels are sort of fringe being off the list just because I think they seem like they could be useful if they are town down the road so far. Rels is pretty idk difficult right now he doesn't have a few of his town things he generally does going for him. The others are an assortment of policy/low volume/failure to postings/no real smart things so far. This list is really good for D1. But here's where I disagree. Kurumi Stutters695 Rels Tictock Tubesock On March 25 2016 03:15 Tumblewood wrote: Trying to catch up from my phone, but you're making a new post for every two I read. I think one of Kurumi and LS is scum, because they were the gumshoe wagon starters (I don't feel comfortable scumreading either of the other two) and he was the target for a mislynch. Also, all of you scumreading Slam for that shot are idiots. He was wrong, but he's obvious town because of it. I think the bolded makes him town. If slam is town he takes away the opportunity to mislynch, if slam is scum he just posted something that would make him look questionable if slam flipped scum, and he posts it when people are scumreading him for the shot, so in his mind the probability of his would-be scumbuddy to be lynched would be high and he wouldn't say that. Rels I need to look at still and stutters is a coinflip like TT. Lynching coinflips on D1 is not bad but usually causes disappointment if they're town. I think we should do shenannies today. | ||
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1 Maybe sandro is right on rso and since rso wants to lynch kurumi I lynch tubesock. 2 Would suck to be lynched D1 after not playing for so long and then posting so much for kur 3 Tubesock has to explain what ritoky had to do with anything in his read on kurumi and why he's more interested into his read on him instead of say, tumble or shape who he claimed where blending. | ||
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The plan : If you hand out a read cause of a claim and are town, write "I RETRACT MY CLAIM BASED READ, I SEE THE ERROR OF MY WAYS AND WANT TO FORM READS BY CONVENTIONAL MEANS, CAUSE MAFIA HISTORY PROVED ME WRONG" when you are aware that using a claim for a read is what you did. Why would you do something so ridiculous? You do me a big favour and prove to be a good player and I will be less inclined to be suspicious of you, cause you will be forced to form reads based on methods that are more likely to expose scummy reasoning, which you should not be afraid of as town. So I wanted to get this out of the way and resume scumhunting with fortunately some more information. | ||
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Plus he townreads me so hard and Vayne and Tumble whom I both gave reasons to TR are null for him and he doesn't bother at least referencing to my posts where I do that. | ||
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On March 25 2016 16:52 sandroba wrote: I like rels, he looks a lot like last game where he was townie. I see the point on slam being town for revealing he was about to shoot and not trying to incriminate anyone. The weird think is that he said he was going to think about it and the shot went off and he apparently wasn't here anymore. Gotta wait till I read what slam has to say. Also leaning town on kurumi a bit. Null on rso. I think rels has the wrong idea on ritoky and rso is spreading doubt a bit. Dunno. I find her hard to read. On March 25 2016 17:50 sandroba wrote: Somehow I think sicklucker is no longer mafia after reading some of his posts up to where I am. His tone is like idgaf enough that I can see him being townie. It's not like he is trying to act a certain way, I dunno. At least it gives me pause and makes me reconsider. I don't really love the jat/superbia/rsoul thing. I don't quite understand why jat interfered in superbia's mini push. He admits rso is good scum, he should want her to get some pressure maybe? Dunno I'm not confortable with jat or rso for that matter at all. Nothing inherently scummy about them, but also didn't jump me as town either. Slam's comeback was kinda underwhelming and he got angry at jat's post kinda randomly. I understand it sucks being called bad or terrible, but you did shoot a townie (he probably didn't quite enjoy that either) and other town are trying to stop mafia of getting away with stuff like that. I want to say I feel like slam is actually town, I hope he explains a bit more. Then I came across this post which is actually the reason I made this summary, to get to this point: I think that is a pretty straight foward and simplistic reason to say someone is scum. You don't risk much, there is no behavior analysis and you don't even narrow it down to the one you do think is scum, nor explains why you excluded the other two. I guess you are on the phone and simply had to post this. But it seems like the real reason why you wanted to make this post is to say everyone scumreading slam is an idiot and you are sure he is town. You might very well be right (I think you are), but it's somewhat uncharacteristic for a townie to be so sure and give such an easy pass for someone who shot a town 5 hours into day 1. I don't think townies want to be made fools off, so that's why I find this certainty strange. On March 25 2016 17:54 sandroba wrote: @slam I just filtered you, and you say you could only shoot day1. Why did you shoot so early into day 1, before even all players had posted? Also one thing I don't understand regarding the circumstance. Did you send your shot through pm and went to bed? I had the impression you said you were going to reconsider it and sleep on it before you shot. What happened/made you change your mind? Two questions: Why do you change your read on slam between post 1 and 2? Why don't you ask slam for his role name but kurumi? | ||
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slam - I'm back and forth on this, but his reaction does seem exagerated and over the top and his lack of explanation is disturbing to say the least. So your read progressions which in my opinion looks terrible here is scum->town->scum but not sure why, and you react differently to slam than to kurumi | ||
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On March 27 2016 21:52 sandroba wrote: because kurumi's role could be the same as mine and slam's can't? Or if kurumi is fake claiming maybe mafia has a list of roles and maybe he would say my role's name idk. I have no insight on slam's role since it is clearly different than mine and it is proven he has a role so that's why i didn't bother to ask his role name. And on your first question it's pretty clear I was on the process of reading the game and figuring out as I went through the thread. I don't see the point of your question. Also I no longer care about slam, I'm just going to assume he is town from now on because if he was faking anger and family issues as scum that is pretty shameful and I don't think anyone here would do that kind of stuff. Surely you know that in most games scum are given fakeclaims, I already wondered about your question to kurumi cause it holds exactly zero value, no scum have been caught that I know of just cause they claimed a weird name. What could happen is that he claims something different than you which he did upon which you could scumread him and he did and yet you don't scumread him, so that makes the point of inquiring about his role nil, just a scummy question cause pointless. He has the same role as you, you townread him, he has a different role you still townread him, why do you even ask about it then? Weird that slam didn't make any coments after the shot if it was him (which I'm inclined to believe). If I had to decide right here I'd say slam is scum. Slam's comeback was kinda underwhelming and he got angry at jat's post kinda randomly. I understand it sucks being called bad or terrible, but you did shoot a townie (he probably didn't quite enjoy that either) and other town are trying to stop mafia of getting away with stuff like that. I want to say I feel like slam is actually town, I hope he explains a bit more. slam - I'm back and forth on this, but his reaction does seem exagerated and over the top and his lack of explanation is disturbing to say the least. And your current read on slam dodges the question cause the question is about this progression which is scummy. You are finding a reason each time to give something on slam that ends up not being of use, and I'm wondering if it had to do with other people's opinions on him at the time. The conclusions are always indecisive and I don't see the point of talking about something like this as town in this way. It just looks like you talked about it cause it was something you felt you had to do cause of the circumstances and not cause it would help you find scum, more or less, so it's mafiaish. On March 27 2016 21:54 sandroba wrote: y don't you do that. also why don't you say something about the big elephant in the room which you are ignoring, which is the whole rsoul ritoky ordeal? I don't feel like lynching either of them this early, rsoultin should get NKd or at least has a chance to show what the invention can do. Ritoky does smart stuff sometimes so he needs a chance to do that as well. I said why I want to lynch TickTock so I don't need to make a case against it. | ||
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He doesn't know if scum shot him. He doesn't know if mafia can hold kp and use it doubly the next night. He said he used his vest and he can pretend he did but then mafia just never shoots him. Plus he seems to lack his usual interest into the puzzle. Lots of posts are just drivel, they should usually at least contain a nugget of wisdom, he says that instead of lynching TT we could wait for his modkill when this game has no activity requirements. He also doesn't try to profile himself much by posting interesting observations, he rather says stuff like "haha i got shot for my reads". Scum lean. | ||
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So that means 7-8 PRs. Seems a bit.. much? It may very well be possible. The thing is, with so many PRs, there HAS to be a secondary mafia KP OR a 3rd party KP (even without PRs, just the number of people in the game). Where is that? Could be stack, but it would imply that the KP is 3rd party. OR sandroba was mafia vigi and claimed his shot, but this seems very unlikely because he would be confirmed mafia at a certain point in the game purely through game logic. Also kind of liked his claim. So sandroba is probably always town. I find it very suspicious that you apply this reasoning to Sandro but not Kurumi or Slam, how exactly does sandro deserve this unjustified townread based on him being second to shoot? Your lack of suspicion on him is obvious with this. Kurumi's claim also isn't taken into account. | ||
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I think rso is town cause engie claim. I think slam and sandro are mafia cause they claimed a shot and not a nonshot. I think SL is town cause why would you ever claim that as mafia. ##Shittyreadsgenerator 2016 ##Whydoievenplaythisgame | ||
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On March 27 2016 23:16 Superbia wrote: It was my thought at the start of the day when I lurked on cellphone and saw sand claim the shot. I feel like kurumi claiming night vig into sandroba claiming night vig was kind of townie actually. But sandroba claiming another rolename and clause was also townie. I think they are both sort of townie. I am not taking slam into account because we know for a fact he had KP and at the time I felt like there was no real mafia justification for him KPing the most scum-read person in the thread at the time, it gives town info at a decent time in the thread. However, thinking more about it, I am starting to get some doubts (worlds that are possible). Scenario: You are scum dayvig, you can shoot anytime, you can shoot useless people or useful people, you can shoot people who are being scumread or who are being townread, who will you shoot? You are town dayvig, you can shoot useless people or useful people, you can shoot people who are being scumread or who are being townread, who will you shoot? Scenario 3 is you are slam and can do whatever you want and whatever you do, unless you are smurfing you just post hogwash and it doesn't depend on you whether you live or die. | ||
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On March 27 2016 23:27 Damdred wrote: I just don't see this game having three medics I guess meh. And a vet obviously Anyway I still think vivax and to a lesser extent koshi are town. Meh is kinda your general play this game. You seem oppressed, bland, melancholic, was hoping to see a more energetic Damdred. I can't townread you like this. | ||
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On March 27 2016 01:41 Damdred wrote: Nope your just super low impact, your reads don't line up well with anything. Your reaction plus lack of followup seem fake totally against what you do. And really you aren't pushing the game forward at all. @Sand maybe your right I read his filter again and something in it makes me reconsider him not being town. Actually this post is good, makes me feel good to just not think about you being mafia for now. | ||
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That's 1 less to go which is a lot in this game. Ritoky rightly pointing out that TT pretty much TRs me and Koshi too easily, too firmly but then reaching for the opposite conclusion afterwards bugged me, still not sure on him and rso. Rso is not being annoying except towards people scumreading her and even then it seems more like an aggressive way of being annoying which I've seen her do as scum when I figured her out being in a team with Ruxxar in some game a while ago. | ||
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On March 28 2016 18:25 rsoultin wrote: zzz lol like this way of reading me is just never gonna work ironically enough the xP analysis was right >> cause that seems even shittier what do you think of rit's point on rels? Judging from the stuff that Rels posted on LS which btw I had to research myself instead of ritoky just posting what he means (and im lazy so I dislike that) Rels only says 1 of the LS posts seemed opportunistic, while the others are just reasons to disagree with something, so don't really know why ritoky expects a full fledged read. Not to mention most of it was D1 stuff, Rels is basically afk this game. | ||
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On March 28 2016 18:54 ritoky wrote: explain the shape read to me plz. i am statistically awful at reading him....also i have a headache and his filter is 8 pages which is too daunting @ 3am. It's simple, he's not spammy and posting fluffy but somehow townie stuff, instead tries to be semi useful, but seems to be lurking. It's not really a read but I just can't rule him out from being mafia which I did in previous games. What's the deal with you and rso? I post about Sicklucker and you, rso asks me about your read on Rels. I post about rso and say I can lynch Rels, on top of it I decide to lynch rso and you ask me about my read on Shape. It's like you two are throwing smokescreens and distractions at me since you don't do anything with my replies. I have a simple question for rso: Why are you not taking into account that I was so hesitant to lynch you when a crapload of people wanted to lynch you as well, and on top of it some of the people who want to lynch you are in your top town which makes absolutely zero sense? It's like you do reverse OMGUS which is not townie. | ||
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On March 28 2016 19:04 rsoultin wrote: most of my top townreads are people actually trying to solve the game of which you really haven't been I have been trying, but the degree of trying usually advances as more information becomes available cause right now there's still too much I don't know. I can look at some places but not all at once, which is what I did. What I know is that I'm perfectly fine lynching you for the slandering and the lack of "if I'm town who is the mafia pushing me" perspective. | ||
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He's probably trying to rescue rsoultin here by trying to find some shitty mislynch. The first post here (which is the later one) is the post he thinks contained my reads on ritoky and rsoultin when literally two posts before I said the stuff in the second post. On March 27 2016 23:17 Vivax wrote: I think ritoky is town cause of his rover plays. I think rso is town cause engie claim. I think slam and sandro are mafia cause they claimed a shot and not a nonshot. I think SL is town cause why would you ever claim that as mafia. ##Shittyreadsgenerator 2016 ##Whydoievenplaythisgame I don't feel like lynching either of them this early, rsoultin should get NKd or at least has a chance to show what the invention can do. Ritoky does smart stuff sometimes so he needs a chance to do that as well. I said why I want to lynch TickTock so I don't need to make a case against it. Which definitely isn't a townread but a reason to be hesitant to lynch them. A player like superbia is not this bad as town, never. He's one of the best towns around and this game he isn't. Easy scumread. | ||
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On March 28 2016 22:11 Superbia wrote: Vivax what changed over the night that made you want to lynch rso today but not yesterday? My recent discussion? Can you read the thread before asking stuff that's from a few pages ago? | ||
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The important thing I gained from this is that Koshi is most likely town cause he pointed the finger at the right guys recently. My reads obviously changed since D1 based on stuff that has been happening. Of course I react aggressively to someone using bad and scummy reasoning to try to mislynch me, especially when it's so easy to display how superbia didn't even read up to two posts previous to that post before inventing a reason to paint me scummy. | ||
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On March 28 2016 22:37 Superbia wrote: I would lynch into: - Koshi - Tumblewood - Rels - VA - TT Rels is good as scum guess, VA is a crapshot, TT is good, Tumble I kinda townread for his daring read on Slam on D1 but it might be a shit read, Koshi depends on your alignment which I lean mafia on cause of you tried to find a quick reason to call me mafia which is proven to be a joke post. I think rsoul/TT/All the vig claims/yourself/JAT/Rels/Shape/Koshi have done suspicious stuff in their own right, I don't know which combination it is until I have more information, but I feel good about lynching rsoultin cause she said I wasn't trying to solve the game when D1 I got townread precisely for that and she didn't try to figure out which mafias were pushing her, instead her pushers got townread and hesitant people scumread based on probably thread sentiment. | ||
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On March 28 2016 22:49 justanothertownie wrote: You got townread for posting a few longish posts with observations early day1. Then you got townread for that and completely disappeared. Saying you weren't trying to figure out the game at this point isn't scummy. It is simply the truth. Btw. tell me since when do you base all your reads on how people treat yourself as town? What you are doing right now is scumreading everyone who is attacking you. Not everyone, Damdred also said at some point he believes I could be mafia but I felt it was justified to assume for my tendency to simply go afk for days as scum. I pretty much scumread people who push scum on me for shitty reasons a lot of time, but only when I can see why those are shitty reasons. Rsoultins and superbias were shitty reasons. | ||
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On March 28 2016 22:54 justanothertownie wrote: Oh, wow there was one person you didn't immediately omgus. I guess my point is defeated now. Forgive me. Yep it is | ||
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Here's why I voted tubesock. Try finding something more credible on your third attempt. On March 26 2016 01:51 Vivax wrote: Tubesock can be mafia, but if he is he is in one camp and kurumi and koshi are in the other. And I don't know which one it is yet. Either way D1 lynches are crappy most of the time, D1 reads are crappy in general and most crappy in big games. I won't expect much else from this game. Why can he be mafia? He has this sort of super serious tone. All his posts are super austerity mode and lack fantasy and fun. My entrance was also super austerity and as a consequence I ended up paying attention to little things too much probably. Some of these little things might not have been bad but with gumshoe I needed the big picture, which I admittedly didn't bother to get while we had much time. Not a reason for him to be mafia but definitely a reason for him not to be townread. | ||
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On March 28 2016 23:02 Superbia wrote: I scumread (could be both present/past, still undecided) you mostly for your d1. Your vote on tubesock feels like a pile-on. Especially the first point of your explanation post is incredibly contrived: "Maybe sandro is right on rso" => Maybe rso is indeed mafia. "since rso wants to lynch kurumi" => kurumi is my prime scumread, but now-possible-scum rsoultin is pushing on him. "I lynch tubesock" => I assume rso is now scum and because she's pushing my main scum-read, I'm pushing tubesock RATHER THAN RSO HERSELF. I cannot get over this post. I raised the question of you TRing rso and voting her because it raised some questionmarks, I did not scumread you for that. I scumread you for this post. My D1 reads were that Kurumi was scummy, rso was voting Kurumi, I decided sandro wasnt super apathetic and gave him a D1 freepass plus decided previously I could sheep him cause he's not complete shite when hes town, I had reasons to think tubesock could be mafia and didn't want to D1 lynch rsoultin, The only inconsistent thing was that I voted with Kurumi but since I had my own reasons and don't believe I am 100 % right on something on D1 in a game with so many players I decided it was fine. Trust me if I were mafia I would have found less complex reasons to pile on a wagon. But it's all consistent, you are free to call it bad reasoning but certainly not allowed to call me mafia for it. | ||
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On March 28 2016 23:14 Damdred wrote: Jats my baby mama and vivax who I think is town has him in a list. I'm disappointed in this series of events. Well JAT would be fine if he didn't spend all his time just trying to sound witty and taunt me. He's not solving the game or creating information, just spamming it up. | ||
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On March 28 2016 23:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote: There's nothing soft about it - it seemed like you picked the most minuscule part of the post to comment on. He also picked on the most miniscule parts of my filter to pick on, twice. | ||
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On March 29 2016 00:12 Superbia wrote: Vivax do you sleep at 7pm? I will talk about my sleeping habits if you post a case for me being mafia cause I went to sleep too early. At least I'll have a few laughs and a reason to reply. | ||
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Then I remember the flavour of this game. Some guys are expedition, Kurumi is a soldier, there's an engineer... WTF is a commissar doing in the game? It's like you are in the middle of the desert like in the OP pic with soldiers, engineers and some starving dudes of an expedition and suddenly a police chief shows up "HELLO IM THE COMMISSAR WELCOME TO THE DESERT MAY I HELP YOU CALL 911" ? Nah, it's kinda an odd thing to think about but makes the sandro claim look fake lol. | ||
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When I read Rels there's some townie stuff actually. Sure he's inactive but I highly doubt that depends on his alignment as he can be a spammy and active mafia player. Reads more like he just does stuff on the run. On March 26 2016 06:08 Rels wrote: Caught up. I don't want to lynch rsoultin.She's kinda underwhelming but she was also there talking about reads for a long time. Tube on the other hand is a good lynch I think, I liked JAT and Kurumi's posts about him. Gonna filter him after that post to see if that changes my mind or not. Still want to lynch ritoky too. For all the old reasons + he didn't do anything since. Like, it's really different from the town!ritoky I remember from two past games: I want to be a millionaire and ... nutcracker I think ? The one before outlaw. In those games, ritoky was challenging the thread with questions, and in nutcracker guiding the lynch towards someone scummy BUT while at the same time keeping the people he could read alive even if they were scummy. Like it showed a will to solve the game which is not there in this game; he did the plan and that is it. Who I thnk is town in random order: Vivax, OWS, Kurumi, SL, Slam, JAT, Shape, Koshi, Tumble. Who I'm OK lyncihng: tube, ritoky, Stutters, VA. People I didn't list or I forgot are either null or slight lean one way or the other. As for your points, I feel like I need to be advocatus diaboli as I dont feel its that strongly scum indicative: On March 29 2016 00:27 Damdred wrote: I built a case on Rels but before I submitted it I exit'd out and not sure if I believe it myself heres what I have and the thread can spit ball with me and see if I have anything worthwhile. 1) Rels is super different than normal, hes not involved in a lot of whats going on in the game. His activity is way down, his questioning and pressing people is a lot less than normal and hes not scum hunting almost at all. 2) His tone is way off, look at his eod post for d1. He was wrong he just says fuck and then fucks off it feels super contrived and fake to me. Usually rels when something like that is in the thread pressing people and coming up with reasonings and actually trying to proactivly help town but hes not doing that so much. Look at his post yesterday, he seems so upset that we lost a lynch bait player to him assuming a vig shot but shouldn't he be happy that we blocked both scum kp and almost gained a ml from it? 3) His questioning Ritoky really didn't lead anywhere, it seemed like it was his strongest read in the whole game the wagons were still super early when he came back he didn't press ritoky any more or even push his lynch. He decided to settle on what I consider for him to be a weaker read in tubesock he paints ritoky as his top scum read for most of his filter and focuses on him but quickly forgets it and goes with a easier wagon if you would. 4) His townreads on tumble is strange, and his townread on kurm is strange at the point as well. He barely has any active scum reads and doesn't seem to be hunting at all this game. Its really strange and I think hes scum but maybe i'm making more out of it. Any ideas or things i'm wrong on is appreciated. 1) I dont think activity is alignment indicative in his case. 2) Idk, could be something but not what I would scumread people for, too activity centered. Tone wise I dont read much into it. 3) He said he would be ok lynching tubesock, I don't see much wrong with being OK with multiple targets. In this game you can compromise with others or you can be a lonely vote, why should he be a lonely vote? 4) Why is it strange? Isn't it just unexplained? | ||
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On March 29 2016 01:12 Damdred wrote: 1) But it just is not activity either its how he is approaching the game not really looking for scum while he is here to an extent. 3) Once again his strongest scum read was Ritoky he talks about him then forgets it. Doesn't really talk much about tube before he just throws him in the list as well after the list he goes hard after tube when rit could of still been the lynch techincally. 4) It is strange because it is unexplained, he generally ahs more substantial reasoning. Well he seems concerned about the ritoky stuff, he doesn't forget him but joins the tube killing wagon after explaining why hes scumreading ritoky, doesnt seem like hes not being pragmatic for a d1. He doesnt forget ritoky he just is ok killing someone else as well? Its just not true that ritoky could have been the lynch, Rels was one of the last to vote and he didnt want to kill rso but he was ok lynching tube so its only natural he will vote tube. Imo more likely to just not do anything if hes mafia unless rsoultin is mafia, which I dont know for sure. 4) unexplained is not strange imo, its just unexplained and its not like you need an explanation for everything, just like sandro didnt need one to kill stutters. | ||
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On March 29 2016 01:06 Shapelog wrote: Mission head quarters. Commander: Alright a UFO has landed down on the this earth. the public will not be nofited of this, but the extraction must be swirf and quick. While there, we want you to gather evidence and try to unearth any and al--- Commissar: DA comrade! Tis plan does not have enough comminusiom in it! I suggest you let me lead a batch of the most firetested soldiers the Union has to offer! Commander: You do realize that the USSR is no longer together right? Commissar: Da, why do you think i am signing up for this mission? Commander: Alright........... Anyways we also going to need engineers and scientist to analyze the craft. Mr. Tube will be in charge of forensics and Mr.Stutter will be chief engineer on this mission. Mr Stutter: I can Try to understand the way the craft was bui- Commissar: Are they each going to have weapons? Commander:No..... Commissar: Da, you must put me on this expatiation now comrade. Protection and all. Commander: fuck you So we are in the 1960s and the goverment is the USSR if Sand is actually a Commissar. Good to know. I chuckled but the situation is serious, why is one a soldier and the other one a russian officer or whatever a commissar is (in german its some sort of police chief). | ||
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On March 29 2016 02:51 VayneAuthority wrote: I don't think hes mafia though. if i voted some one for being annoying/supporting mafia the award would go to alakaslam by a landslide. As weird as it is I think your reads are somewhere in line with mine except that they lack superbia cause you somehow failed to see him trying to nitpick around in my filter. I can really lynch anyone from the mafia circle he prompted me to post earlier cause as far as I know all of those people can be mafia until we see more flips. My level of confidence is really low and whenever I see something new pop up or go back to read something my opinion changes quickly. In that you're right that the rso lynch would be a well of information, if we lynch Koshi we just lynch one of the dudes on yesterdays tube wagon, but the rsoultin wagon remains a mistery. | ||
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On March 29 2016 02:56 justanothertownie wrote: Slam isn't even here though. He might get replaced. Koshi is better than this. The most protown thing you can do is to vote him. Isnt Rels better than this? Isnt Shape different than this? How can you be so confident it can only be Koshi when at least two other are playing differently just like he is. I dont get the same level of confidence you do just cause its koshi whos being different, it doesnt add up. | ||
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On March 29 2016 03:07 justanothertownie wrote: Of course it adds up. Koshi normally is the fucking innocent child of TL mafia while he has lots of trouble even coming close to that as mafia. He isn't towny this game - so he is either mafia or intentionally playing worse than he can. I do not negotiate with terrorists. I don't know if shape is different. Even if he is - is this his mafia meta? Same with Rels. If you can demonstrate that go ahead. I had a few posts of back and forth on Rels with Damdred a few pages ago, Each one of us argues something different. You could also like, have some sort of opinion on it? But somehow you're just sure it's Koshi and besides taunting me you don't see anything interesting besides lynching Koshi and only KOshi? It's like you skipped the thread between superbia attacking me and Koshi coming back to post so you could push Koshi. If he flips mafia it certainly makes you and super interesting subjects, so it's probably an outcome I'm interested in. | ||
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On March 29 2016 03:18 Koshi wrote: I don't understand why people say I am trolling. These are my reads. I am not constantly posting and rereading because I don't want to do that and because I had 4 days of work and I got more pleasant things to do. Voting me because I am not obvious town is really bad play. I am still more town than some others are. Also, my reads are probably pretty good, but because I am not sure of that yet I can't really be too obnoxious about it. Also really odd to say the cpr doc thing is "the final nail on the coffin", because it is almost the only thing that could actually have happened in case kurumi is town. Or it was [retracted] who saved me :D. There is 1 who might have done it lol. Kurumi could have been roleblocked, kurumi could be lying cause why would he ever claim as mafia wifomwifomwifom? Why pull out a CPR doc as theory, that's an overpowered role that usually has multiple uses, otherwise Palmar could just put in a vigilante, besides that it's a really unorthodox role, I can't remember when I last saw it in a game, it wasn't in storm 2 (but a janitor was, might be relevant in this game).. | ||
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On March 29 2016 03:23 Tumblewood wrote: Jat this is like 7 pages ago but do you actually think Vivax is scummy for his OMGUSing? You call it omgusing when someone tries to misrepresent you twice and then somehow thinks he can prove you're mafia by analyzing your sleep schedule? | ||
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On March 29 2016 03:23 justanothertownie wrote: Yes. It was completely unwarranted the way he did. No it was 100 % warranted cause superbia claimed I had town reads on ritoky and rsoultin cause he read 1 out of 3 posts where 2 strongly hinted at my actual opinion and the post he mentioned being a joke post. | ||
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On March 29 2016 03:29 justanothertownie wrote: So, let's assume for a moment that you are right and evil superbia knew that. What's the point of accusing you like this if he knows that you can easily rebut it? It doesn't make sense. Some people even fall for awful arguments as long as they don't do fact check but are blinded by the appeareance, if you're town you're one of them. This is why he would do that. | ||
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On March 29 2016 03:32 justanothertownie wrote: The thing is though that I am not swayed by his arguments but by your extremely poor reaction to them. Spell it out loud that you don't get worked up about shitty arguments being used against you? | ||
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On March 29 2016 03:35 justanothertownie wrote: Of course I do. But I don't immediately assume that shitty arguments can only come from mafia. If you had called him an idiot, questioned his reasoning etc. etc. I would have had 0 problem with that. But all you did was saying he is 100 % mafia. That's cause he's skilled at this game in my experience? I played voice mafia with him several times. So if people who I normally assume to be skilled use arguments that completely lack fact checking and were literally just slapped there before he finished reading, then I think those people are mafia, Theres a reason some players are read like "if this guy doesnt lynch mafia before D3 hes mafia". Sometimes bad equals scum and I count superbia among them. | ||
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On March 29 2016 03:40 Koshi wrote: Maybe I will make a new readpost if I get lynched. Depends if mafia got to show face. Hold on a moment. How can you ever believe superbia is mafia and rsoultin is town when he shows up to redirect the lynch from a town rsoultin to a town Koshi, in the meantime also trying to push a mislynch on confirmed town vivax? I think you can only believe hes mafia if rsoultin is mafia in which case you should be pushing for rsoultin pretty hard now. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://www.regencychess.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/pawn2.jpg) post game we will be seeing him begging to be bussed in obs qt. Bring on the tinfoil hats. | ||
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On March 29 2016 03:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Vivax what do you think of tumblewood and his most recent "lynch both wagons and leave" attitude? Im not lynching outside of Koshi or rsoultin today, information is more valuable than low information players right now, and I dont have enough to limit my reads to 5 players. If I look at tumble I stop looking at Koshi and maybe both have good reasons for them to be lynched but right now Im staying on course before I just get distracted by other stuff. | ||
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On March 29 2016 03:50 Koshi wrote: If this happened I have not seen it. I have no clue what you are talking about. Probably when you 2 had the sleep thing discussion. Wasn't too interested in that. You wouldnt even need to look at the thread for it, just the voting thread. One simple fact: You are the counterwagon to rsoultin. If rsoultin is town and superbia is mafia, why is mafia trying to cover rsoultin ? its not even that your meta is different but this is a connection you should be able to draw yourself as town. | ||
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Not Voting (5): Kurumi, Rels, Tictock, Shapelog, LightningStrike When I see this I really start to doubt myself. I should probably just have kept pushing the TickTock lynch, he was clearly around a few hours ago and now he still didn't cast a goddamn vote after even posting his candidates. | ||
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On March 29 2016 05:18 VayneAuthority wrote: I dont have any experience with kurumi so I have zero idea what it means for his alignment. Probably too dumb for scum though, I would never hit enter on that post as mafia in a billion years lmao | ||
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On March 29 2016 05:36 Kurumi wrote: LOL I was the second vote and my case was found to be solid enough to be the argument for lynching Tube instead of you you say thank you with those scummy lips of yours This rebuttal is too cool for kuruḿi to be lynched today | ||
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On March 29 2016 05:45 Tictock wrote: Still catching up, but if these are the lynch options I'm inclined to vote Rsoul. Koshi is a terrible lynch, but his wagon looks like it's probably pure... Actually the Tumble wagon could be pure as well, need to read why people are voting him though. from the voting thread. I present to you a mafia specimen | ||
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On March 29 2016 05:52 Shapelog wrote: Hey guys, idk the fuck really is going on here. But i know that shit like yelling at people won't help us. All your doing is making it easier for mafia to throw distrust into the thread. We do not need a shit/yell fight going on right now, especially with everyone being tense. Sure some people are being stubborn, but i feel people might be getting tilted here and there. And we might also have a scum in the top wagon (with it being close and basically the mass spreading mass chaos in the thread) Koshi was a bit off IIRC with a bit of his tone and his latest posts (from reading from the thread) really do not seem to actually help town much (I am town, fuck you sort of posts) I feel some of the questions rise against him are fair questions. I wish he would answer them a bit more. Rsoul seems interested in adding another fucking wagon to the fray. I feel this is actually scummy because now she is forcing a already slightly tilted town to look at some off wagon. I haven't really look much into what Kuru has done recently (Fucking blackout) but idk if i would, or anyone really would lynch him today. And i feel that she knows that and that is why she brought it up. idk about tumble, hes fumbleing hard here. Feels told me he could be town but his last feel posts are really off. Like in the one i quoted earlier, he fucking admitted to protentically causing a pro-mafia move to happen. Da fuq? I still don't feel certain on his aligment though. Now to dive. Also worth seeing who the main wagons are voting. See if any are survival. Scummy as fuck post tbh, thread police but not really trying to be useful prior to 10 min pre deadline. | ||
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Sooooooo, time to find the replacement lynch. ##Unvote I know you probably want to know what exactly and why but I don't have time to explain, I need to decide the better lynch. | ||
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But I still think TT is more likely mafia. If you can't see it now I hope you will later.. For now I have to be the sheeplet since I'm not a shepherd. ##Vote TW | ||
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On March 29 2016 06:25 Damdred wrote: I think Tt is a decent shenany if we go that route though Just do it? You have my axe. | ||
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Still see the chances as high that all three wagons are town atm. So let's make a TT lynch possible please. | ||
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Superbia is avoiding TT. Rels is avoiding TT. Kurumi is avoiding TT. ...I think. | ||
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So, let's start dis shit: ##Vote TIckTock | ||
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On March 29 2016 06:53 Tictock wrote: Oh fun, there might be shenannies on me. If we lynch you correctly this will be a glorious day for town and your buddies will soon be eradicated thanks to the shenanny reactions. | ||
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On March 29 2016 06:57 Koshi wrote: if tt get's enough votes so I get lynched I will be really sad. My guess is that tumble is mafia and dnu why I am not getting lynched. I really doubt TT is mafia. Just vote TT ffs | ||
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![[image loading]](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/CdC4iQJtWGM/maxresdefault.jpg) | ||
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On March 29 2016 07:09 Superbia wrote: Oh wow. Interesting. You're semi confirmed mafia now. | ||
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On March 29 2016 07:10 Damdred wrote: Can I have an amen vivax. Teehee We will be the blazing duo for this game. Provided we survive the night after this epic shenannie. | ||
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WE GOT THE GAME IN THE BAG. SHe is an engineer, but indeed a rebel engineer if I look at the flavour from the flip. #swag | ||
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On March 29 2016 07:10 Rels wrote: FUCK SL IS RIGHT IF ANYONE SAVED KOSHI YOU NEED TO CLAIM RIGHT NOW IF NOBODY CLAIM KOSHI IS 100% SCUM Yes thats why you dont claim it right now but during the day where you cant be shot for your role. wtf man? | ||
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Yep it makes sense. Town has a vig, scum has a vig. Maybe the dayvig is added for further confusion so its not too easy. Town has a doc (who didnt claim, but we know he exists cause of kurumis claim, assuming it wasnt fake), scum had a doc. town has an engineer, scum has an engineer. What was Tubesocks role again? It had a weird name so no idea what it does. that makes 4 possible roles out of 5 scum already. Maybe there's more idk. | ||
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On March 29 2016 07:20 justanothertownie wrote: You think so? I can basically guarantee you that people bussed. Yes thats not unlikely if another one of theirs also had a chance of being lynched AND has an invention of use to them, rsoultin fits the profile, but I still need to look at the votecount more properly, there should be game breaking information there. | ||
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On March 29 2016 07:33 Koshi wrote: WoW this looks really bad for me. Not only did I say TT was town. He also defended me during lynch. And he is a doc and I got a claimed shot on me. hahaha. This is good. You gonna roll over and die or what? | ||
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Whereas superbia and rsoultin more or less hrmpfd and fucked off. | ||
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So the mafia team in my opinion is rsoultin, superbia, TickTock. one of the vigs and the last one is going to be SL probably, he is way too focused on his shitty claim for my taste, like that's all he thought of talking about after a flip that gives us info. Also he's going to use it as a reason for him not getting shot into eternity I think. I also don't like how he thought Koshi would be a good lynch all of a sudden when coming into the thread when he was super fixated on rsoultin for the entire day, reeks like bullshit. I also don't believe rsoultin that one of the engineers invents one receives. Inventions are a PYP role and Palmar would never think of putting such a troll role into one of his games. What I think is that they are some sort of mason and can set up comm channels as flavour suggests, but only if they figure out who the other one is. Mafia can use it to their advantage to get TR easily and town can figure out the mafia while talking to them still. That would be balanced and a serious role, dunno why I believed we could possibly have a role as rsoultin suggested, which btw is super onesided AND apparently would have required the engie to identify the other engie, and since stutters barely played this game I'm 1000% sure rsoultin didn't receive jackshit, cause stutters would have had to send it to her specifically. If this isn''t the case then rsoultin wouldn't have had to find out who the other engie was, so that gives it away that something is foul. There's also the very small chance none of the vigs are mafia and then it's ritoky or JAT. JAT has been kinda mafia siding this game but maybe he's also just town, like his mafia siding would be blatantly obvious if 4 of 5 of my team are correct. Still he's the last of the bunch I would lynch. On March 29 2016 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Day 2 Final Votecount Tictock (9): Vivax, LightningStrike, Shapelog, Rels, Damdred, ObiWanShinobi, Koshi, rsoultin, Tumblewood Koshi (5): rsoultin (2): Tumblewood (2): VayneAuthority, Kurumi (0): sandroba (0): Tictock (0): Superbia (0): Not Voting (0): Day 2 ends in . Notification: Some countries are affected by the DST. The deadline will remain the same in UTC. Imo what we see here is mafia trying to rescue rsoultin by trying to lynch Koshi. a WIFOM vote on TW by TT, and rsoultins obvious bus, | ||
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On March 29 2016 21:14 sandroba wrote: @vivax yes rsoul's role does sound farfetched, she should be questioned tomorrow about it no doubt. there is no mention of any refund mechanics on my pm. I seriously doubt kurumi is mafia unless there are 2 mafia teams. I doubt mafia would come out and admit they shot town koshi if they don't know how he survived. Or randomly lie about it on the off chance their medic gets lynched today for that matter. I wouldn't be surprised if all vigis are town, considering mafia has a doc and might as well have a vet according to your theory. Honestly I'm impressed at how much koshi has posted, but the easiest explanation is still that koshi is mafia with TT. Kurumi first said he would keep it secret if his bullet is refunded and in some post he raged that it wasn't. Surely you need to have some sort of opinion on that? Yes rsoultin should be questioned but why don't you have any questions then, why just tomorrow when the NKs change stuff and you're here now anyway? SL isn't a vet until he flips, he just claims he got shot cause KP was missing, zero evidence of him being even anything except that he constantly flails about his role and talks about little else lately. Why is it an easy explanation that Koshi is mafia with TT? Then you would have to disagree with EVERYONE on my list who tried to lynch him yesterday except rso who for probably wifom tried to keep him safe. On March 29 2016 21:22 sandroba wrote: based on logic. some dude randomly says he shot you -> you are not playing the game or to your town meta -> nobody claims they saved you -> people end up lynching mafia medic -> you finally start posting. the easiest explanation is that you are mafia. sure mafia could have randomly role blocked kurumi, and we may very well find a better lynch then you tomorrow, but unless more info about this is surfaced you are not a bad kill. Dude why would anyone even claim if he saved Koshi? Just why? It doesn't confirm anyone, it doesn't give info that is as valuable as his role, it only is a gift to mafia. Only an idiot would claim medic or jk or whatever happened for the reasons you say. Why don't you know this? I think you're super scummy now | ||
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I'm also 90 % sure on LS being town just cause of his behaviour at EoD. Next lynches should be superbia, sandroba or sicklucker . If I don't get protted I probably don't make it through the night. Last mafia can also be shape or Rels. | ||
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Solution can easily be the nulls from VAs list with exception of LS. | ||
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On March 29 2016 23:22 sandroba wrote: koshi and vivax are already pretty bad separetely, it's even worse when they are in agreement I showered you with questions on the last page and all you do is pop in to complain and do nothing useful, you should write a guide "how to make sure that you get lynched". | ||
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On March 29 2016 23:31 Rels wrote: About sandroba: This post + his claim on shooting someone scum would like to keep to mislynch makes him 99% town. I call bull. It's a super easy post to make as mafia, why are you so gullible? | ||
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On March 29 2016 23:35 Superbia wrote: The fact that you are either ignoring or not understanding my play is absolutely baffling. It doesn't matter. You will be confirmed mafia tomorrow or I will fight you to the grave. So you're soft claiming something and expect to live through the night and not be confirmed mafia? Plus if you think that playing badly to hide your role includes pushing mislynches with shitty arguments is a play that's acceptable for a blue, then I call bull on this as well. Being less active than usual is fine, doing stuff that can be construed as scummy but not enough to get yourself lynched is fine, but pushing shitty mislynches is not fine and not blue. | ||
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What is still possible is a Koshi or Tumblewood or rsoultin/Rels/Shape/TT/someone (probably still SL or sandro) combination and scum decided to make a play yesterday joining the shenannies to bus their weakest member and save another. | ||
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On March 29 2016 06:51 Vivax wrote: JAT is completely avoiding TT cause he wants to lynch Koshi so badly. Superbia is avoiding TT. Rels is avoiding TT. Kurumi is avoiding TT. ...I think. And btw these are guys who were rather silent while the shenannies started building up. I was actively looking for people not really commenting on me and Damdred trying to move people to TT. Rels voted at some point but I think afterwards. | ||
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On March 29 2016 23:48 sandroba wrote: If you are refering to this I chose to ignore it because it's dumb. kurumi says he lost bullet. I have no opinion on that. I think it's plausible. He ask hosts - do i have bullet? - no. what opinion do i need on that? rsoultin questioned - i did ask w/e happened to item, i commented that she didn't tell us shit. It's night, I can't persuade he to do anything. I didn't say sl is vet, but i do think he is, what does that have to do with anything. He could be vet no? you were the one pulling stuff out of your ass saying one of the vigis is mafia, when it's more likely they are all town. sure maybe even the other 2 vigis are mafia, but I have no reason to believe so. why koshi thing is the easiest explanation - Because it is why anyone claim they saved koshi. dunno, the fact is, it is hard to imagine a town doc saving koshi, mafia shooting him, he surviving and mafia coming into the thread saying that the vig'd him and he didn't die, especially with only one flip which came from a town vigi. I get that you don't think koshi is scum because he is spamming the thread, but there are only 3 options: kurumi is mafia fake claiming - this would be pretty random, he had no pressure on him to claim anything, if we lynched koshi and he flipped town kurumi would prob be next mafia roleblocked kurumi - maybe this is the case, I don't find it likely as I believe quite a bit of blues were a bit exposed (especially true if rsoul is town, mafia knew she was prob blue) koshi is mafia and saved by mafia doc - makes sense, TT is flipped mafia doc and they didn't want to lynch each other. koshi was admitedly not behaving acording to his town meta. Doesn't matter how much koshi spams the thread, facts are facts. You're dumb and bad and scummy. Now we're even and I can talk. Did you fact check if bullet gets refunded? No, scum points for you. You lack suspicion of the other vig and don''t for example go ask for yourself if bullet gets refunded, You.Just.Don't.Care. Well then if you did already ask everything and see nothing left why would you say "Yes yes rsoultin needs to be questioned". Clearly you had nothing concrete in mind and just talked out of your butt. Why do you think SL is vet without any evidence, without looking at how he plays? And why do you base your entire read on Koshi on his activity and Kurumi's alignment? All your reads are just from claims which is also scummy cause they're super easy to make, | ||
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You sat on your ass voting Koshi and didn't give any opinion on TT except asking him "oh youve been lurking" very close to the end. You pretty much tried your best to ignore the option of lynching him. | ||
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IF I get NKd, please just read my stuff, especially about superbia, sandro and rsoultins claim. Also keep in mind the option that a Rels shape scumteam might have sacced TT to save another and get townread in the process. Pretty much the core points, obviously Kurumi can be mafia too. | ||
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On March 30 2016 06:52 justanothertownie wrote: Just because you got lucky with a last minute shenanny lynch on a lurker whch could have easily fucked the votecount over completely you aren't playing a better game. I wanted to lynch TT since D1, and suggested it during D2 way before deadline shenannies. I was dead set on lynching him even after his shitty reads post So yes I played better. | ||
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On March 30 2016 06:57 justanothertownie wrote: There was never any real potential of him being lynched until like 5 minutes before deadline. Only if you had pushed him and built a wagon on him all day you would have played better. There were 3 (!) other wagons. If you don't get enough people which is easily possible you fuck up royally. Guess what happened after I posted about TT? Rsoultin, you and superbia. Stellar play, diverting from scum. | ||
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On March 30 2016 06:59 rsoultin wrote: x-shot vest to damdy ^^ the guy not getting shot ofc, goodbye town | ||
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Kinda sad VA got lynched, probably the first game in which he could have been TR. Shape played well and did a good job during the TT shenannies to get himself off the radar for enough days to reach lylo. Only thing I really would criticize town for is that I was the only guy who noticed superbia making really contrived arguments and not noticing how scummy SLs claim was. But he killed rsoultin I think so kinda good he didnt get lynched previously. Well deserved scum win. Obi and VA weren't good lynches. | ||
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