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On March 28 2016 22:54 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2016 22:53 Vivax wrote:On March 28 2016 22:49 justanothertownie wrote:On March 28 2016 22:43 Vivax wrote:On March 28 2016 22:37 Superbia wrote:On March 28 2016 22:36 Vivax wrote:On March 28 2016 22:35 Superbia wrote:On March 28 2016 22:34 Vivax wrote:
Yes I was.
Impress me. What's your mafia circle? Whats your mafia circle? I would lynch into: - Koshi - Tumblewood - Rels - VA - TT Rels is good as scum guess, VA is a crapshot, TT is good, Tumble I kinda townread for his daring read on Slam on D1 but it might be a shit read, Koshi depends on your alignment which I lean mafia on cause of you tried to find a quick reason to call me mafia which is proven to be a joke post. I think rsoul/TT/All the vig claims/yourself/JAT/Rels/Shape/Koshi have done suspicious stuff in their own right, I don't know which combination it is until I have more information, but I feel good about lynching rsoultin cause she said I wasn't trying to solve the game when D1 I got townread precisely for that and she didn't try to figure out which mafias were pushing her, instead her pushers got townread and hesitant people scumread based on probably thread sentiment. You got townread for posting a few longish posts with observations early day1. Then you got townread for that and completely disappeared. Saying you weren't trying to figure out the game at this point isn't scummy. It is simply the truth.
Btw. tell me since when do you base all your reads on how people treat yourself as town? What you are doing right now is scumreading everyone who is attacking you. Not everyone, Damdred also said at some point he believes I could be mafia but I felt it was justified to assume for my tendency to simply go afk for days as scum. I pretty much scumread people who push scum on me for shitty reasons a lot of time, but only when I can see why those are shitty reasons. Rsoultins and superbias were shitty reasons. Oh, wow there was one person you didn't immediately omgus. I guess my point is defeated now. Forgive me.
Yep it is
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Well it's not a pile on when im third to vote of like 7 or 8 people and on top of it you just leave out the post where I explain why I actually scumread him. Thanks, gives me more confidence that you are mafia, just trying to throw at me whatever can stick and if it doesn't you go look for more ammunition that is just as bad as the previous one.
Here's why I voted tubesock. Try finding something more credible on your third attempt.
On March 26 2016 01:51 Vivax wrote:
Tubesock can be mafia, but if he is he is in one camp and kurumi and koshi are in the other. And I don't know which one it is yet. Either way D1 lynches are crappy most of the time, D1 reads are crappy in general and most crappy in big games. I won't expect much else from this game.
Why can he be mafia? He has this sort of super serious tone. All his posts are super austerity mode and lack fantasy and fun. My entrance was also super austerity and as a consequence I ended up paying attention to little things too much probably. Some of these little things might not have been bad but with gumshoe I needed the big picture, which I admittedly didn't bother to get while we had much time.
Not a reason for him to be mafia but definitely a reason for him not to be townread.
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As you see for a pile on my read progressed from suspecting him to choosing the lesser evil for myself in my book cause on D1 all reads are shit in big games. I voted and went to bed with 3 votes on tube thinking that im not going to stay up for this and cause I didnt expect the lynch to be in my hand anyways which proved to be true.
On March 28 2016 23:02 Superbia wrote:I scumread (could be both present/past, still undecided) you mostly for your d1. Your vote on tubesock feels like a pile-on. Especially the first point of your explanation post is incredibly contrived: Show nested quote +On March 26 2016 02:38 Vivax wrote:
Voting tubesock.
1 Maybe sandro is right on rso and since rso wants to lynch kurumi I lynch tubesock.
2 Would suck to be lynched D1 after not playing for so long and then posting so much for kur
3 Tubesock has to explain what ritoky had to do with anything in his read on kurumi and why he's more interested into his read on him instead of say, tumble or shape who he claimed where blending. "Maybe sandro is right on rso" => Maybe rso is indeed mafia. "since rso wants to lynch kurumi" => kurumi is my prime scumread, but now-possible-scum rsoultin is pushing on him. "I lynch tubesock" => I assume rso is now scum and because she's pushing my main scum-read, I'm pushing tubesock RATHER THAN RSO HERSELF.I cannot get over this post. I raised the question of you TRing rso and voting her because it raised some questionmarks, I did not scumread you for that. I scumread you for this post.
My D1 reads were that Kurumi was scummy, rso was voting Kurumi, I decided sandro wasnt super apathetic and gave him a D1 freepass plus decided previously I could sheep him cause he's not complete shite when hes town, I had reasons to think tubesock could be mafia and didn't want to D1 lynch rsoultin, The only inconsistent thing was that I voted with Kurumi but since I had my own reasons and don't believe I am 100 % right on something on D1 in a game with so many players I decided it was fine.
Trust me if I were mafia I would have found less complex reasons to pile on a wagon. But it's all consistent, you are free to call it bad reasoning but certainly not allowed to call me mafia for it.
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On March 28 2016 23:14 Damdred wrote:
Jats my baby mama and vivax who I think is town has him in a list. I'm disappointed in this series of events.
Well JAT would be fine if he didn't spend all his time just trying to sound witty and taunt me. He's not solving the game or creating information, just spamming it up.
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On March 28 2016 23:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2016 23:26 Superbia wrote:
This is not the first time you throwing soft suspicion my way, obi. Take a stance, what do you think of Vivax's reply? What is the important part of that post for you? And what does it make Vivax? What about myself? Where do you stand on my alignment? There's nothing soft about it - it seemed like you picked the most minuscule part of the post to comment on.
He also picked on the most miniscule parts of my filter to pick on, twice.
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On March 29 2016 00:12 Superbia wrote:
Vivax do you sleep at 7pm?
I will talk about my sleeping habits if you post a case for me being mafia cause I went to sleep too early. At least I'll have a few laughs and a reason to reply.
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So I'm trying to think if this rsoultin claim is legit, The one invents one receives part is really odd, and I have no idea how much role information scum got from Palmar, but I know that I'd feel really bad lynching a role that might do some good if actually town. So I'm back to the fence now that I'm not so worked up any more.
Then I remember the flavour of this game. Some guys are expedition, Kurumi is a soldier, there's an engineer... WTF is a commissar doing in the game? It's like you are in the middle of the desert like in the OP pic with soldiers, engineers and some starving dudes of an expedition and suddenly a police chief shows up "HELLO IM THE COMMISSAR WELCOME TO THE DESERT MAY I HELP YOU CALL 911" ? Nah, it's kinda an odd thing to think about but makes the sandro claim look fake lol.
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To answer Damdred:
When I read Rels there's some townie stuff actually. Sure he's inactive but I highly doubt that depends on his alignment as he can be a spammy and active mafia player. Reads more like he just does stuff on the run.
On March 26 2016 06:08 Rels wrote:
Caught up.
I don't want to lynch rsoultin.She's kinda underwhelming but she was also there talking about reads for a long time.
Tube on the other hand is a good lynch I think, I liked JAT and Kurumi's posts about him. Gonna filter him after that post to see if that changes my mind or not.
Still want to lynch ritoky too. For all the old reasons + he didn't do anything since. Like, it's really different from the town!ritoky I remember from two past games: I want to be a millionaire and ... nutcracker I think ? The one before outlaw. In those games, ritoky was challenging the thread with questions, and in nutcracker guiding the lynch towards someone scummy BUT while at the same time keeping the people he could read alive even if they were scummy. Like it showed a will to solve the game which is not there in this game; he did the plan and that is it.
Who I thnk is town in random order: Vivax, OWS, Kurumi, SL, Slam, JAT, Shape, Koshi, Tumble.
Who I'm OK lyncihng: tube, ritoky, Stutters, VA.
People I didn't list or I forgot are either null or slight lean one way or the other.
As for your points, I feel like I need to be advocatus diaboli as I dont feel its that strongly scum indicative:
On March 29 2016 00:27 Damdred wrote:
I built a case on Rels but before I submitted it I exit'd out and not sure if I believe it myself heres what I have and the thread can spit ball with me and see if I have anything worthwhile.
1) Rels is super different than normal, hes not involved in a lot of whats going on in the game. His activity is way down, his questioning and pressing people is a lot less than normal and hes not scum hunting almost at all.
2) His tone is way off, look at his eod post for d1. He was wrong he just says fuck and then fucks off it feels super contrived and fake to me. Usually rels when something like that is in the thread pressing people and coming up with reasonings and actually trying to proactivly help town but hes not doing that so much. Look at his post yesterday, he seems so upset that we lost a lynch bait player to him assuming a vig shot but shouldn't he be happy that we blocked both scum kp and almost gained a ml from it?
3) His questioning Ritoky really didn't lead anywhere, it seemed like it was his strongest read in the whole game the wagons were still super early when he came back he didn't press ritoky any more or even push his lynch. He decided to settle on what I consider for him to be a weaker read in tubesock he paints ritoky as his top scum read for most of his filter and focuses on him but quickly forgets it and goes with a easier wagon if you would.
4) His townreads on tumble is strange, and his townread on kurm is strange at the point as well. He barely has any active scum reads and doesn't seem to be hunting at all this game.
Its really strange and I think hes scum but maybe i'm making more out of it. Any ideas or things i'm wrong on is appreciated.
1) I dont think activity is alignment indicative in his case.
2) Idk, could be something but not what I would scumread people for, too activity centered. Tone wise I dont read much into it.
3) He said he would be ok lynching tubesock, I don't see much wrong with being OK with multiple targets. In this game you can compromise with others or you can be a lonely vote, why should he be a lonely vote?
4) Why is it strange? Isn't it just unexplained?
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So I just realized I was suspicious of him cause he was different, just like KOshi and shape but I can't really see the scum stuff in his stuff.
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On March 29 2016 01:12 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2016 01:03 Vivax wrote:To answer Damdred: When I read Rels there's some townie stuff actually. Sure he's inactive but I highly doubt that depends on his alignment as he can be a spammy and active mafia player. Reads more like he just does stuff on the run. On March 26 2016 06:08 Rels wrote:
Caught up.
I don't want to lynch rsoultin.She's kinda underwhelming but she was also there talking about reads for a long time.
Tube on the other hand is a good lynch I think, I liked JAT and Kurumi's posts about him. Gonna filter him after that post to see if that changes my mind or not.
Still want to lynch ritoky too. For all the old reasons + he didn't do anything since. Like, it's really different from the town!ritoky I remember from two past games: I want to be a millionaire and ... nutcracker I think ? The one before outlaw. In those games, ritoky was challenging the thread with questions, and in nutcracker guiding the lynch towards someone scummy BUT while at the same time keeping the people he could read alive even if they were scummy. Like it showed a will to solve the game which is not there in this game; he did the plan and that is it.
Who I thnk is town in random order: Vivax, OWS, Kurumi, SL, Slam, JAT, Shape, Koshi, Tumble.
Who I'm OK lyncihng: tube, ritoky, Stutters, VA.
People I didn't list or I forgot are either null or slight lean one way or the other.
As for your points, I feel like I need to be advocatus diaboli as I dont feel its that strongly scum indicative: On March 29 2016 00:27 Damdred wrote:
I built a case on Rels but before I submitted it I exit'd out and not sure if I believe it myself heres what I have and the thread can spit ball with me and see if I have anything worthwhile.
1) Rels is super different than normal, hes not involved in a lot of whats going on in the game. His activity is way down, his questioning and pressing people is a lot less than normal and hes not scum hunting almost at all.
2) His tone is way off, look at his eod post for d1. He was wrong he just says fuck and then fucks off it feels super contrived and fake to me. Usually rels when something like that is in the thread pressing people and coming up with reasonings and actually trying to proactivly help town but hes not doing that so much. Look at his post yesterday, he seems so upset that we lost a lynch bait player to him assuming a vig shot but shouldn't he be happy that we blocked both scum kp and almost gained a ml from it?
3) His questioning Ritoky really didn't lead anywhere, it seemed like it was his strongest read in the whole game the wagons were still super early when he came back he didn't press ritoky any more or even push his lynch. He decided to settle on what I consider for him to be a weaker read in tubesock he paints ritoky as his top scum read for most of his filter and focuses on him but quickly forgets it and goes with a easier wagon if you would.
4) His townreads on tumble is strange, and his townread on kurm is strange at the point as well. He barely has any active scum reads and doesn't seem to be hunting at all this game.
Its really strange and I think hes scum but maybe i'm making more out of it. Any ideas or things i'm wrong on is appreciated. 1) I dont think activity is alignment indicative in his case. 2) Idk, could be something but not what I would scumread people for, too activity centered. Tone wise I dont read much into it. 3) He said he would be ok lynching tubesock, I don't see much wrong with being OK with multiple targets. In this game you can compromise with others or you can be a lonely vote, why should he be a lonely vote? 4) Why is it strange? Isn't it just unexplained? 1) But it just is not activity either its how he is approaching the game not really looking for scum while he is here to an extent. 3) Once again his strongest scum read was Ritoky he talks about him then forgets it. Doesn't really talk much about tube before he just throws him in the list as well after the list he goes hard after tube when rit could of still been the lynch techincally. 4) It is strange because it is unexplained, he generally ahs more substantial reasoning.
Well he seems concerned about the ritoky stuff, he doesn't forget him but joins the tube killing wagon after explaining why hes scumreading ritoky, doesnt seem like hes not being pragmatic for a d1.
He doesnt forget ritoky he just is ok killing someone else as well? Its just not true that ritoky could have been the lynch, Rels was one of the last to vote and he didnt want to kill rso but he was ok lynching tube so its only natural he will vote tube. Imo more likely to just not do anything if hes mafia unless rsoultin is mafia, which I dont know for sure.
4) unexplained is not strange imo, its just unexplained and its not like you need an explanation for everything, just like sandro didnt need one to kill stutters.
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On March 29 2016 01:06 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2016 00:46 Vivax wrote:
So I'm trying to think if this rsoultin claim is legit, The one invents one receives part is really odd, and I have no idea how much role information scum got from Palmar, but I know that I'd feel really bad lynching a role that might do some good if actually town. So I'm back to the fence now that I'm not so worked up any more.
Then I remember the flavour of this game. Some guys are expedition, Kurumi is a soldier, there's an engineer... WTF is a commissar doing in the game? It's like you are in the middle of the desert like in the OP pic with soldiers, engineers and some starving dudes of an expedition and suddenly a police chief shows up "HELLO IM THE COMMISSAR WELCOME TO THE DESERT MAY I HELP YOU CALL 911" ? Nah, it's kinda an odd thing to think about but makes the sandro claim look fake lol. Mission head quarters. Commander: Alright a UFO has landed down on the this earth. the public will not be nofited of this, but the extraction must be swirf and quick. While there, we want you to gather evidence and try to unearth any and al--- Commissar: DA comrade! Tis plan does not have enough comminusiom in it! I suggest you let me lead a batch of the most firetested soldiers the Union has to offer! Commander: You do realize that the USSR is no longer together right? Commissar: Da, why do you think i am signing up for this mission? Commander: Alright........... Anyways we also going to need engineers and scientist to analyze the craft. Mr. Tube will be in charge of forensics and Mr.Stutter will be chief engineer on this mission. Mr Stutter: I can Try to understand the way the craft was bui- Commissar: Are they each going to have weapons? Commander:No..... Commissar: Da, you must put me on this expatiation now comrade. Protection and all. Commander: fuck you So we are in the 1960s and the goverment is the USSR if Sand is actually a Commissar. Good to know.
I chuckled but the situation is serious, why is one a soldier and the other one a russian officer or whatever a commissar is (in german its some sort of police chief).
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I'm totally down for a superbia lynch.
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Then again if hes buds with Koshi and I were Koshi I would do something like Koshi and push him when nobody else is, my earlier argument that koshi is town cause he claims suspicion on superbia wasnt really stellar in hindsight.
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I'm already tinfoiling that Koshi is mafias bus of choice for today fyi.
The cpr doc stuff really put a nail into the coffin.
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On March 29 2016 02:51 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2016 02:43 justanothertownie wrote:On March 29 2016 02:41 VayneAuthority wrote:
I see my ignore koshi advice was not heeded. He is legit trolling to stay alive longer Cool, then put us all out of our mísery and vote him right now. I don't think hes mafia though. if i voted some one for being annoying/supporting mafia the award would go to alakaslam by a landslide.
As weird as it is I think your reads are somewhere in line with mine except that they lack superbia cause you somehow failed to see him trying to nitpick around in my filter.
I can really lynch anyone from the mafia circle he prompted me to post earlier cause as far as I know all of those people can be mafia until we see more flips. My level of confidence is really low and whenever I see something new pop up or go back to read something my opinion changes quickly.
In that you're right that the rso lynch would be a well of information, if we lynch Koshi we just lynch one of the dudes on yesterdays tube wagon, but the rsoultin wagon remains a mistery.
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On March 29 2016 02:56 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2016 02:51 VayneAuthority wrote:On March 29 2016 02:43 justanothertownie wrote:On March 29 2016 02:41 VayneAuthority wrote:
I see my ignore koshi advice was not heeded. He is legit trolling to stay alive longer Cool, then put us all out of our mísery and vote him right now. I don't think hes mafia though. if i voted some one for being annoying/supporting mafia the award would go to alakaslam by a landslide. Slam isn't even here though. He might get replaced. Koshi is better than this. The most protown thing you can do is to vote him.
Isnt Rels better than this? Isnt Shape different than this? How can you be so confident it can only be Koshi when at least two other are playing differently just like he is. I dont get the same level of confidence you do just cause its koshi whos being different, it doesnt add up.
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On March 29 2016 03:07 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2016 03:00 Vivax wrote:On March 29 2016 02:56 justanothertownie wrote:On March 29 2016 02:51 VayneAuthority wrote:On March 29 2016 02:43 justanothertownie wrote:On March 29 2016 02:41 VayneAuthority wrote:
I see my ignore koshi advice was not heeded. He is legit trolling to stay alive longer Cool, then put us all out of our mísery and vote him right now. I don't think hes mafia though. if i voted some one for being annoying/supporting mafia the award would go to alakaslam by a landslide. Slam isn't even here though. He might get replaced. Koshi is better than this. The most protown thing you can do is to vote him. Isnt Rels better than this? Isnt Shape different than this? How can you be so confident it can only be Koshi when at least two other are playing differently just like he is. I dont get the same level of confidence you do just cause its koshi whos being different, it doesnt add up. Of course it adds up. Koshi normally is the fucking innocent child of TL mafia while he has lots of trouble even coming close to that as mafia. He isn't towny this game - so he is either mafia or intentionally playing worse than he can. I do not negotiate with terrorists. I don't know if shape is different. Even if he is - is this his mafia meta? Same with Rels. If you can demonstrate that go ahead.
I had a few posts of back and forth on Rels with Damdred a few pages ago, Each one of us argues something different. You could also like, have some sort of opinion on it? But somehow you're just sure it's Koshi and besides taunting me you don't see anything interesting besides lynching Koshi and only KOshi?
It's like you skipped the thread between superbia attacking me and Koshi coming back to post so you could push Koshi.
If he flips mafia it certainly makes you and super interesting subjects, so it's probably an outcome I'm interested in.
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On March 29 2016 03:18 Koshi wrote:
I don't understand why people say I am trolling. These are my reads.
I am not constantly posting and rereading because I don't want to do that and because I had 4 days of work and I got more pleasant things to do.
Voting me because I am not obvious town is really bad play. I am still more town than some others are. Also, my reads are probably pretty good, but because I am not sure of that yet I can't really be too obnoxious about it.
Also really odd to say the cpr doc thing is "the final nail on the coffin", because it is almost the only thing that could actually have happened in case kurumi is town. Or it was [retracted] who saved me :D. There is 1 who might have done it lol.
Kurumi could have been roleblocked, kurumi could be lying cause why would he ever claim as mafia wifomwifomwifom?
Why pull out a CPR doc as theory, that's an overpowered role that usually has multiple uses, otherwise Palmar could just put in a vigilante, besides that it's a really unorthodox role, I can't remember when I last saw it in a game, it wasn't in storm 2 (but a janitor was, might be relevant in this game)..
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On March 29 2016 03:23 Tumblewood wrote:
Jat this is like 7 pages ago but do you actually think Vivax is scummy for his OMGUSing?
You call it omgusing when someone tries to misrepresent you twice and then somehow thinks he can prove you're mafia by analyzing your sleep schedule?
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On March 29 2016 03:23 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2016 03:23 Tumblewood wrote:
Jat this is like 7 pages ago but do you actually think Vivax is scummy for his OMGUSing? Yes. It was completely unwarranted the way he did.
No it was 100 % warranted cause superbia claimed I had town reads on ritoky and rsoultin cause he read 1 out of 3 posts where 2 strongly hinted at my actual opinion and the post he mentioned being a joke post.
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