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On March 25 2016 01:24 Tubesock wrote:
Good morning.
Kurumi is my biggest scum read. Seems opportunistic with the Gumdrops push. Damdred was fishing (but not for roles) and it didn't seem Gums was saying Damdred was fishing for that, but Kurumi jumps his ass. Meanwhile Ritoky ACTUALLY fishes for roles yet all Kurumi says is "very vary of Ritoky". The rest of Kurumi's posts seem nitpicky.
Tumble and Shape are forgettable and blending.
I'm going to leave Koshi at null. I'm not liking his "play" but I did like his little outburst of emotion. Although, I find it hard to believe that can't be faked.
As far as town I think my strongest TR's are Superbia, Vivax just below Jat and Rels. Damdred with a town lean.
Ritoky probably is in fact VT.
Slam I think is probably town. I am having trouble seeing the point of breadcrumbing so much if he were mafia. Why not just shut up and blow someone up? I do want to hear his explanation.
On March 25 2016 06:38 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +Kurumi responded a bit ago On March 25 2016 01:24 Tubesock wrote:
Good morning.
Kurumi is my biggest scum read. Seems opportunistic with the Gumdrops push. Damdred was fishing (but not for roles) and it didn't seem Gums was saying Damdred was fishing for that, but Kurumi jumps his ass. Meanwhile Ritoky ACTUALLY fishes for roles yet all Kurumi says is "very vary of Ritoky". The rest of Kurumi's posts seem nitpicky.
Tumble and Shape are forgettable and blending.
I'm going to leave Koshi at null. I'm not liking his "play" but I did like his little outburst of emotion. Although, I find it hard to believe that can't be faked.
As far as town I think my strongest TR's are Superbia, Vivax just below Jat and Rels. Damdred with a town lean.
Ritoky probably is in fact VT.
Slam I think is probably town. I am having trouble seeing the point of breadcrumbing so much if he were mafia. Why not just shut up and blow someone up? I do want to hear his explanation. Read my posts again(not skim!) so you can have a good town read on me, because my filter defends itself without any problems. Just because I have not coloured every of my reads or made a list of them doesn't mean they are not there. Gumshoe's filter wasn't really that exciting besides him sharing my suspicions on both Koshi and sicklucker, he did not have time to bring anything new to the table sadly. His last couple of posts was finally something I expected out of him. He also looked like agreeing with me more and more. On the topic of sicklucker: What was good in my post you quoted? What are your scumreads and why? I don't like that you just quoted my entire post and said it was good while not really pushing anyone or anything in the thread. I am also let down by Alakaslam, he could've said that we have a way to kill two D1, basically a double lynch and we could just make him shoot the second person in line... Why the bloodlust Slam, why?! It's so anti-town the only reason I think you are Town is that noone is trying to capitalize on it... For the last 20 minutes I've been looking for a post suggesting that scum's KP is up for them to decide whether to use it day or night, it felt like hardcore slip, but then I might've dreamt it... I didn't skim your posts. I did not bring up your lack or reads so why the defensiveness? What I think your reads were is basically Superbia and Lightninstrike are town and ritoky and Gum were mafia. ALthough you didn't talk much about ritoky. Not nearly as much as Gum anyway. What do you currently think of Ritoky?
On March 25 2016 06:54 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 06:38 Tubesock wrote:Kurumi responded a bit ago On March 25 2016 01:24 Tubesock wrote:
Good morning.
Kurumi is my biggest scum read. Seems opportunistic with the Gumdrops push. Damdred was fishing (but not for roles) and it didn't seem Gums was saying Damdred was fishing for that, but Kurumi jumps his ass. Meanwhile Ritoky ACTUALLY fishes for roles yet all Kurumi says is "very vary of Ritoky". The rest of Kurumi's posts seem nitpicky.
Tumble and Shape are forgettable and blending.
I'm going to leave Koshi at null. I'm not liking his "play" but I did like his little outburst of emotion. Although, I find it hard to believe that can't be faked.
As far as town I think my strongest TR's are Superbia, Vivax just below Jat and Rels. Damdred with a town lean.
Ritoky probably is in fact VT.
Slam I think is probably town. I am having trouble seeing the point of breadcrumbing so much if he were mafia. Why not just shut up and blow someone up? I do want to hear his explanation. Read my posts again(not skim!) so you can have a good town read on me, because my filter defends itself without any problems. Just because I have not coloured every of my reads or made a list of them doesn't mean they are not there. Gumshoe's filter wasn't really that exciting besides him sharing my suspicions on both Koshi and sicklucker, he did not have time to bring anything new to the table sadly. His last couple of posts was finally something I expected out of him. He also looked like agreeing with me more and more. On the topic of sicklucker: What was good in my post you quoted? What are your scumreads and why? I don't like that you just quoted my entire post and said it was good while not really pushing anyone or anything in the thread. I am also let down by Alakaslam, he could've said that we have a way to kill two D1, basically a double lynch and we could just make him shoot the second person in line... Why the bloodlust Slam, why?! It's so anti-town the only reason I think you are Town is that noone is trying to capitalize on it... For the last 20 minutes I've been looking for a post suggesting that scum's KP is up for them to decide whether to use it day or night, it felt like hardcore slip, but then I might've dreamt it... I didn't skim your posts. I did not bring up your lack or reads so why the defensiveness? What I think your reads were is basically Superbia and Lightninstrike are town and ritoky and Gum were mafia. ALthough you didn't talk much about ritoky. Not nearly as much as Gum anyway. What do you currently think of Ritoky? You accused me of not being hard enough on ritoky - that I am hard on fishing, but not on him, although he is fishing. Look at my posts! I said that role talk is absolutely terrible, that people should stop and that I am vary of ritoky. He was my 2nd scum read at the time - but what I saw in gumshoe was more sure for me - I saw scum agenda together with defending scum agenda, can't get more scummy than that this early. I have already voiced my opinion on ritoky, if you really read my posts you should know that he had a paragraph in my last big post.
Yep like this confirms my feelings that tube is just posting to post, but it doesn't exclude kurumi from being mafia as well. Kurumi talked "extensively" about ritokys plays, tube has him as scumread yes but shape and tumble seem to be next in line, and the most interesting thing he thinks of is kurumis opinion on ritoky, like...again...? Question is too random, I don't really see the line of thought that could lead to it, and then to a sandroba vote.
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Newsflash: Koshi and Obi town
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Maybe I'm just being naive, I'll actually think it through before randomly deciding it cause of a few posts. Obi remains a town lean, Koshi will stay under review.
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On March 25 2016 03:49 Damdred wrote:
VayneAuthority
Kurumi
Stutters695
sandroba
Rels
Tictock
Tumblewood
Tubesock
Right now I think most of the scum is in this list so far, or at least people I would think about lynching today. Kurumi, VA and Rels are sort of fringe being off the list just because I think they seem like they could be useful if they are town down the road so far. Rels is pretty idk difficult right now he doesn't have a few of his town things he generally does going for him.
The others are an assortment of policy/low volume/failure to postings/no real smart things so far.
This list is really good for D1. But here's where I disagree.
VayneAuthority
Kurumi
Stutters695
sandroba
Rels
Tictock
Tumblewood
Tubesock
On March 25 2016 03:15 Tumblewood wrote:
Trying to catch up from my phone, but you're making a new post for every two I read.
I think one of Kurumi and LS is scum, because they were the gumshoe wagon starters (I don't feel comfortable scumreading either of the other two) and he was the target for a mislynch.
Also, all of you scumreading Slam for that shot are idiots. He was wrong, but he's obvious town because of it.
I think the bolded makes him town. If slam is town he takes away the opportunity to mislynch, if slam is scum he just posted something that would make him look questionable if slam flipped scum, and he posts it when people are scumreading him for the shot, so in his mind the probability of his would-be scumbuddy to be lynched would be high and he wouldn't say that.
Rels I need to look at still and stutters is a coinflip like TT. Lynching coinflips on D1 is not bad but usually causes disappointment if they're town. I think we should do shenannies today.
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Voting tubesock.
1 Maybe sandro is right on rso and since rso wants to lynch kurumi I lynch tubesock.
2 Would suck to be lynched D1 after not playing for so long and then posting so much for kur
3 Tubesock has to explain what ritoky had to do with anything in his read on kurumi and why he's more interested into his read on him instead of say, tumble or shape who he claimed where blending.
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the 4 people who didn't vote have to be shot if possible, preferably either TickTock or stutters. Don't claim if it you do it.
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FYI in this game each and every single blue claim doesn't make me townread you unless it's supported by something tangible, like your flip or something that confirms your action. There has been plenty of talk about them and all sorts of shitty reads being handed around cause of them and it's a closed setup, and there also are enough people who should have learned their lessons from Guardians of the Galaxy where Toad got a freepass cause of his vig claim after my vig claim and people thought it would be suicidal for scum to do in his position.
The plan : If you hand out a read cause of a claim and are town, write "I RETRACT MY CLAIM BASED READ, I SEE THE ERROR OF MY WAYS AND WANT TO FORM READS BY CONVENTIONAL MEANS, CAUSE MAFIA HISTORY PROVED ME WRONG" when you are aware that using a claim for a read is what you did.
Why would you do something so ridiculous? You do me a big favour and prove to be a good player and I will be less inclined to be suspicious of you, cause you will be forced to form reads based on methods that are more likely to expose scummy reasoning, which you should not be afraid of as town.
So I wanted to get this out of the way and resume scumhunting with fortunately some more information.
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Today TickTock lynch is best lynch. He is sligthly being like me when I roll scum, plus he scumreads both other wagons from yesterday which is picking low hanging fruit at its finest.
Plus he townreads me so hard and Vayne and Tumble whom I both gave reasons to TR are null for him and he doesn't bother at least referencing to my posts where I do that.
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Dayvig and 2 vigs, and no mafia KP tonight? Kurumi shouldn't you be fighting it out with Slam or Sandro instead of koshi in the position you claim you are in?
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Can anyone make a case against lynching TickTock?
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On March 25 2016 16:52 sandroba wrote:
I like rels, he looks a lot like last game where he was townie. I see the point on slam being town for revealing he was about to shoot and not trying to incriminate anyone. The weird think is that he said he was going to think about it and the shot went off and he apparently wasn't here anymore. Gotta wait till I read what slam has to say.
Also leaning town on kurumi a bit. Null on rso. I think rels has the wrong idea on ritoky and rso is spreading doubt a bit. Dunno. I find her hard to read.
On March 25 2016 17:50 sandroba wrote:Somehow I think sicklucker is no longer mafia after reading some of his posts up to where I am. His tone is like idgaf enough that I can see him being townie. It's not like he is trying to act a certain way, I dunno. At least it gives me pause and makes me reconsider. I don't really love the jat/superbia/rsoul thing. I don't quite understand why jat interfered in superbia's mini push. He admits rso is good scum, he should want her to get some pressure maybe? Dunno I'm not confortable with jat or rso for that matter at all. Nothing inherently scummy about them, but also didn't jump me as town either. Slam's comeback was kinda underwhelming and he got angry at jat's post kinda randomly. I understand it sucks being called bad or terrible, but you did shoot a townie (he probably didn't quite enjoy that either) and other town are trying to stop mafia of getting away with stuff like that. I want to say I feel like slam is actually town, I hope he explains a bit more. Then I came across this post which is actually the reason I made this summary, to get to this point: Show nested quote +On March 25 2016 03:15 Tumblewood wrote:
Trying to catch up from my phone, but you're making a new post for every two I read.
I think one of Kurumi and LS is scum, because they were the gumshoe wagon starters (I don't feel comfortable scumreading either of the other two) and he was the target for a mislynch.
Also, all of you scumreading Slam for that shot are idiots. He was wrong, but he's obvious town because of it. I think that is a pretty straight foward and simplistic reason to say someone is scum. You don't risk much, there is no behavior analysis and you don't even narrow it down to the one you do think is scum, nor explains why you excluded the other two. I guess you are on the phone and simply had to post this. But it seems like the real reason why you wanted to make this post is to say everyone scumreading slam is an idiot and you are sure he is town. You might very well be right (I think you are), but it's somewhat uncharacteristic for a townie to be so sure and give such an easy pass for someone who shot a town 5 hours into day 1. I don't think townies want to be made fools off, so that's why I find this certainty strange.
On March 25 2016 17:54 sandroba wrote:
@slam I just filtered you, and you say you could only shoot day1. Why did you shoot so early into day 1, before even all players had posted?
Also one thing I don't understand regarding the circumstance. Did you send your shot through pm and went to bed? I had the impression you said you were going to reconsider it and sleep on it before you shot. What happened/made you change your mind?
Two questions:
Why do you change your read on slam between post 1 and 2?
Why don't you ask slam for his role name but kurumi?
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slam - I'm back and forth on this, but his reaction does seem exagerated and over the top and his lack of explanation is disturbing to say the least.
So your read progressions which in my opinion looks terrible here is scum->town->scum but not sure why, and you react differently to slam than to kurumi
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On March 27 2016 21:52 sandroba wrote:
because kurumi's role could be the same as mine and slam's can't? Or if kurumi is fake claiming maybe mafia has a list of roles and maybe he would say my role's name idk. I have no insight on slam's role since it is clearly different than mine and it is proven he has a role so that's why i didn't bother to ask his role name.
And on your first question it's pretty clear I was on the process of reading the game and figuring out as I went through the thread. I don't see the point of your question.
Also I no longer care about slam, I'm just going to assume he is town from now on because if he was faking anger and family issues as scum that is pretty shameful and I don't think anyone here would do that kind of stuff.
Surely you know that in most games scum are given fakeclaims, I already wondered about your question to kurumi cause it holds exactly zero value, no scum have been caught that I know of just cause they claimed a weird name. What could happen is that he claims something different than you which he did upon which you could scumread him and he did and yet you don't scumread him, so that makes the point of inquiring about his role nil, just a scummy question cause pointless. He has the same role as you, you townread him, he has a different role you still townread him, why do you even ask about it then?
Weird that slam didn't make any coments after the shot if it was him (which I'm inclined to believe). If I had to decide right here I'd say slam is scum.
Slam's comeback was kinda underwhelming and he got angry at jat's post kinda randomly. I understand it sucks being called bad or terrible, but you did shoot a townie (he probably didn't quite enjoy that either) and other town are trying to stop mafia of getting away with stuff like that. I want to say I feel like slam is actually town, I hope he explains a bit more.
slam - I'm back and forth on this, but his reaction does seem exagerated and over the top and his lack of explanation is disturbing to say the least.
And your current read on slam dodges the question cause the question is about this progression which is scummy. You are finding a reason each time to give something on slam that ends up not being of use, and I'm wondering if it had to do with other people's opinions on him at the time. The conclusions are always indecisive and I don't see the point of talking about something like this as town in this way. It just looks like you talked about it cause it was something you felt you had to do cause of the circumstances and not cause it would help you find scum, more or less, so it's mafiaish.
On March 27 2016 21:54 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2016 21:35 Vivax wrote:
Can anyone make a case against lynching TickTock? y don't you do that. also why don't you say something about the big elephant in the room which you are ignoring, which is the whole rsoul ritoky ordeal?
I don't feel like lynching either of them this early, rsoultin should get NKd or at least has a chance to show what the invention can do. Ritoky does smart stuff sometimes so he needs a chance to do that as well. I said why I want to lynch TickTock so I don't need to make a case against it.
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Sicklucker claim was bad for multiple reasons and I would expect him to be smarter than that.
He doesn't know if scum shot him.
He doesn't know if mafia can hold kp and use it doubly the next night.
He said he used his vest and he can pretend he did but then mafia just never shoots him.
Plus he seems to lack his usual interest into the puzzle. Lots of posts are just drivel, they should usually at least contain a nugget of wisdom, he says that instead of lynching TT we could wait for his modkill when this game has no activity requirements.
He also doesn't try to profile himself much by posting interesting observations, he rather says stuff like "haha i got shot for my reads".
Scum lean.
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So that means 7-8 PRs. Seems a bit.. much? It may very well be possible. The thing is, with so many PRs, there HAS to be a secondary mafia KP OR a 3rd party KP (even without PRs, just the number of people in the game). Where is that? Could be stack, but it would imply that the KP is 3rd party. OR sandroba was mafia vigi and claimed his shot, but this seems very unlikely because he would be confirmed mafia at a certain point in the game purely through game logic. Also kind of liked his claim. So sandroba is probably always town.
I find it very suspicious that you apply this reasoning to Sandro but not Kurumi or Slam, how exactly does sandro deserve this unjustified townread based on him being second to shoot? Your lack of suspicion on him is obvious with this. Kurumi's claim also isn't taken into account.
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Like here we go again, people literally pulling shitty reads out of their butt when people claim blue. D2 is ruined, no one even reads stuff that actually considers what people said outside of their claims.
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I think ritoky is town cause of his rover plays.
I think rso is town cause engie claim.
I think slam and sandro are mafia cause they claimed a shot and not a nonshot.
I think SL is town cause why would you ever claim that as mafia.
##Shittyreadsgenerator 2016
##Whydoievenplaythisgame
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On March 27 2016 23:16 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2016 23:10 Vivax wrote:So that means 7-8 PRs. Seems a bit.. much? It may very well be possible. The thing is, with so many PRs, there HAS to be a secondary mafia KP OR a 3rd party KP (even without PRs, just the number of people in the game). Where is that? Could be stack, but it would imply that the KP is 3rd party. OR sandroba was mafia vigi and claimed his shot, but this seems very unlikely because he would be confirmed mafia at a certain point in the game purely through game logic. Also kind of liked his claim. So sandroba is probably always town. I find it very suspicious that you apply this reasoning to Sandro but not Kurumi or Slam, how exactly does sandro deserve this unjustified townread based on him being second to shoot? Your lack of suspicion on him is obvious with this. Kurumi's claim also isn't taken into account. It was my thought at the start of the day when I lurked on cellphone and saw sand claim the shot. I feel like kurumi claiming night vig into sandroba claiming night vig was kind of townie actually. But sandroba claiming another rolename and clause was also townie. I think they are both sort of townie. I am not taking slam into account because we know for a fact he had KP and at the time I felt like there was no real mafia justification for him KPing the most scum-read person in the thread at the time, it gives town info at a decent time in the thread. However, thinking more about it, I am starting to get some doubts (worlds that are possible).
Scenario: You are scum dayvig, you can shoot anytime, you can shoot useless people or useful people, you can shoot people who are being scumread or who are being townread, who will you shoot?
You are town dayvig, you can shoot useless people or useful people, you can shoot people who are being scumread or who are being townread, who will you shoot?
Scenario 3 is you are slam and can do whatever you want and whatever you do, unless you are smurfing you just post hogwash and it doesn't depend on you whether you live or die.
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On March 27 2016 23:19 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2016 23:17 Vivax wrote:
I think ritoky is town cause of his rover plays.
I think rso is town cause engie claim.
I think slam and sandro are mafia cause they claimed a shot and not a nonshot.
I think SL is town cause why would you ever claim that as mafia.
##Shittyreadsgenerator 2016
##Whydoievenplaythisgame But why vote TT... I really liked his reads.
Posting reads everyone likes is mafia win condition
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On March 27 2016 23:27 Damdred wrote:
I just don't see this game having three medics I guess meh. And a vet obviously
Anyway I still think vivax and to a lesser extent koshi are town.
Meh is kinda your general play this game. You seem oppressed, bland, melancholic, was hoping to see a more energetic Damdred. I can't townread you like this.
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