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gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
March 24 2016 00:11 GMT
#241
On March 24 2016 09:04 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2016 09:01 Kurumi wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:59 LightningStrike wrote:
So Kurumi any other thoughts you want to share?

People should slow the hell down, I am astonished with the role talking and people manage to create another page of it.
I see nothing wrong with Superbia's early vote on gumshoe.
When did sicklucker say anything about gumshoe? He has vote on him and no posts to back it up.

Show nested quote +
On March 24 2016 08:07 sicklucker wrote:
I also agree that talking about slam is very scummy. I have never really tried to read him esp this early!

It was a indirect reference.


and of course the fishy bit of assuming why someone was making an acusation and passing off that assumption as fact / :
perhaps fishing for the actual reasoning or trying to come off as a kindred mind. It's quite peculiar to me.

50 50 scum for sure.
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
March 24 2016 00:12 GMT
#242
On March 24 2016 08:58 Shapelog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2016 08:53 Superbia wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:43 Shapelog wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:39 Superbia wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:30 Shapelog wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:20 gumshoe wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:07 sicklucker wrote:
I also agree that talking about slam is very scummy. I have never really tried to read him esp this early!


Who are you agreeing with?

I am guessing it is the guy who voted 1st on you lol.
On March 24 2016 08:20 Superbia wrote:
Opens up with a try-hard post which concludes nothing (feels pressured to show towniness- mafia trait).

Then 180 switch and troll response to my pressure. Shows disingenuous state of mind.

On March 24 2016 08:00 gumshoe wrote:
On March 24 2016 07:59 Superbia wrote:
I encourage everyone to follow my voting pattern this game. Starting with my first vote.

Beetlejuice

That really is not much of a troll response though. It sure is a difference in tone, but not really a troll response (at least IMO). It like he was saying dumbass but in a way that remembers Tim Burton.

What strikes you (or others) heavily as trolly here?


Explain your mindset behind this post.

- Why do you feel a need to defend gumshoe? You have him as null.

- If not defending, why did you make this post? What's the point behind it?

It's soft defending I won't lie.

In that post. I was trying to understand what made you see a troll response. I agreed with you that there is a difference, but i didn't find it quote on quote trolly. I was trying to understand your view on it.

I also made it because you want to discuss things and last game i played in (Noir) Town had a shitty atmosphere.



Do you think it being trolly or not is alignment indicative for anyone in any way?

Yes it does. Especially in your case since you are directly comparing the serious tone from Gumshow to this new "trollish" post.
Unless this was a rhetorical question. I am bad at those.
Why aren't you answering this clearly btw?


I didn't care for the troll part reply really. I disliked his early try-hard post so I pushed on it to see where it went. Made up the "troll" mind-set mismatch as being alignment indicative (it really is not) to give more juice to the push.

- Like SL for joining. (Good townies need to start placing down votes earlier so we can get more information when gum flips or gets checked at some point.) Actually did not get that much info from it.

- It feels kind of hard to evaluate gum's response, feels like pressuring him further will do nothing. Also I start to lose momentum when I pressure people too much because it feels like I'm being an asshole. He starts off leaning mafia for me this game.

- Dislike your soft-defense on gum. You did see through the part that was bullshit so slightly 'yay' for that, but based on the reads list you gave me you shouldn't have been questioning me like that. Rather: you should have had me at null/leaning-mafia and be evaluating me based on the "wait, that's not really trolling" or whatever part you feel is alignment indicative (this is what you're saying you're doing). But you had me as pretty much your towniest person at that point (lean-town, but whatever, pretty much everyone else was lower) even though you seemed to have doubt on my push.

So what was your town-read on me about?
Minimal effort.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 24 2016 00:12 GMT
#243
On March 24 2016 09:11 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2016 09:04 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 24 2016 09:01 Kurumi wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:59 LightningStrike wrote:
So Kurumi any other thoughts you want to share?

People should slow the hell down, I am astonished with the role talking and people manage to create another page of it.
I see nothing wrong with Superbia's early vote on gumshoe.
When did sicklucker say anything about gumshoe? He has vote on him and no posts to back it up.

On March 24 2016 08:07 sicklucker wrote:
I also agree that talking about slam is very scummy. I have never really tried to read him esp this early!

It was a indirect reference.


and of course the fishy bit of assuming why someone was making an acusation and passing off that assumption as fact / :
perhaps fishing for the actual reasoning or trying to come off as a kindred mind. It's quite peculiar to me.

50 50 scum for sure.

50 50 scum on me or sicklucker? It was a post referencing you indirectly by sicklucker.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5185 Posts
March 24 2016 00:13 GMT
#244
Kurminia or how ever you spell that name.
Since you hate this role talk, lets talk something else.

What is your favorite color of a bomb pop? Also do you have any stances on player's alignment yet that you have not meation?
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 24 2016 00:14 GMT
#245
Gun if it's me in the 50 50 scum doesn't surprised me as I am hard to read for most players who never played me with me(I trying to fix that).
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
March 24 2016 00:14 GMT
#246
Also not liking that Kurumi post but getting late and inner fire is running out.
Minimal effort.
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
March 24 2016 00:15 GMT
#247
On March 24 2016 09:12 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2016 09:11 gumshoe wrote:
On March 24 2016 09:04 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 24 2016 09:01 Kurumi wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:59 LightningStrike wrote:
So Kurumi any other thoughts you want to share?

People should slow the hell down, I am astonished with the role talking and people manage to create another page of it.
I see nothing wrong with Superbia's early vote on gumshoe.
When did sicklucker say anything about gumshoe? He has vote on him and no posts to back it up.

On March 24 2016 08:07 sicklucker wrote:
I also agree that talking about slam is very scummy. I have never really tried to read him esp this early!

It was a indirect reference.


and of course the fishy bit of assuming why someone was making an acusation and passing off that assumption as fact / :
perhaps fishing for the actual reasoning or trying to come off as a kindred mind. It's quite peculiar to me.

50 50 scum for sure.

50 50 scum on me or sicklucker? It was a post referencing you indirectly by sicklucker.


I know, I was refrencing sicklucker.

I think it's bizzare that your defending me with us having never played together before 0_0 a rare ocaison indeed. I would award townie points but hard to be objective about potential pocket monsters.

gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
March 24 2016 00:16 GMT
#248
On March 24 2016 09:04 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2016 08:52 Kurumi wrote:
On March 24 2016 07:13 Koshi wrote:
Confirmed Town
+ Show Spoiler +

Likely Town
+ Show Spoiler +

Maybe town
+ Show Spoiler +

Not going to lynch Town
+ Show Spoiler +

Null
+ Show Spoiler +
VayneAuthority
Kurumi
Stutters695
Damdred
sandroba
ObiWanShinobi
Rels
justanothertownie
Tictock
ritoky
sicklucker
Alakaslam
Tumblewood
Shapelog
Vivax
rsoultin
LightningStrike
Superbia
Tubesock
gumshoe

Won't lynch right now Mafia
+ Show Spoiler +

Maybe Mafia
+ Show Spoiler +

Likely Mafia
+ Show Spoiler +

Confirmed Mafia
+ Show Spoiler +


What was the meaning of this post? What the hell is "Won't lynch right now Mafia" - is there any case where you don't lynch a Mafia I am missing? Why do you need the "Confirmed" spoiler if the confirmation comes from the host through flips and the updated player list? Is the reason you made that list is that Mafia has a cheatsheet for shots? Nothing good can come from this. I highly dislike this type of lists, especially that you have not commented on what is going to happen with it.

On March 24 2016 07:53 gumshoe wrote:
Maybe I've missed an evolution somewhere along the line but slam seems to be actually trying as opposed to just flaunting his usual semi troll trot. Which isn't a point I'm going to level against him cause wow that would just be bad, but is of note for better or worse. Damdred is of course fishing as one would expect of ether side, words like interesting are rather neutral. A call to arms is also fairly vague, clearly he has notions of how peeps react to something like that, or mabs he's willing to play it by ear. His post feels cautious and calculated few words as it may be. Which could be scummy depending on his meta ( never played with him ) seems intelligent regardless. Parabola sounds like he just doesn't wanna get anyone on his tail but still wants to appear to be a present and beloved member of town. Could be scums, could just be excited to play, maybe he's bieng light to try to attract heat for said lightness thereby kick starting stuff. Multiple personalities can be envisioned from the posts so far, but there is no real leaning towards good or evil. As one would expect a page in to a game.

TLDR As of yet, nothing worth acting on outside of concert with more proof. TLDR for TLDR stuff is stuff



This post gave me so many rubs in such bad ways that I just can't let it go.
a) The comment on Slam: Not only it's absolutely unnecessary, it ends with "Well, I shouldn't bring it up because it's bad" - so why bother? You know it is bad and you still do it. I mean, I guess you want people to focus on that for some reason, but I'd rather focus on you. Also, if Chezinu Rule is to be trusted, we may have another testament to this.
b) Damdred's fishing. Not only I have not seen anything of that nature till that post, but also we are met with a statement that "fishing is to be expected of either side". Oh boy, no, not at all. Fishing for roles is not something you expect from either side. Fishing is Mafia's job. I highly dislike the attempt to paint it as ambiguous. I also do not understand why would you bring attention to any odd words in a person's post. If that's a crumb, you don't want Mafia to see it. Odd wording - go ahead, it might be a slip. But random, seemingly non-related words? No way.
c) Read on Superbia. Another read straight outta fortune teller. Why would you, gumshoe, try to paint Superbia as suspicious? At the point of posting that, the only thing Superbia has said about himself was that "you should care about him", which pretty much goes contrary to your point about him not wanting anyone on his tail.
d) You end your post saying that it is not really worth much, but you managed to paint Superbia scum, excuse Damdred non-existant fishing and point out that pointing out Slam's behaviour at this stage of the game does more harm than good. You note that people might be excited about something, that they look for something, but you seem not to look for anything. You created a mid-sized post detailing less than a page of a game for nothing, what you admit, but you would not have done that if it really was nothing, so what is your agenda behind that post?


1: There is no real substance insofar in game hence there is no real substance to the post / :
2: I am self admittedly terrible at fishing, every atempt I have made to fish has ended in disaster because the truth is I am natural bait without a modicum of effort and said effort usually casts me too far into the jaws to escape. So I dont fish except on holidays which limits my early game contribtion
3:my post isnt trying to acomplish anything really / : its a look into my thought process which I usually commit to thread as a matter of course.
4: If you think I posted because I felt pressured to post, your not wrong, I want to play and engage with others, not lurk, if what I have to offer on page two of the game isnt up to par, my apologies / : there are no real accusations because there are no evident scum, only thoughts on play and considerations for the future.


1. Then why did you try to make it look like there is any substance to your post?
2. Okay, but how is that a reply to my point about fishing being mafia-sided? Or that you are accusing Damdred of it, while he has not done that?
3. It does seem more of a process of incriminating others than your thought process. I see more accusations in this post than analysis.
4. Fine. There are many ways to enter a game. Making a post like this is not a town-way of entering the game. One this is to be pressured to post, another is to be pressured to post something of substance. Mafia is more prone to feel the second pressure, which I think your post has shown - it might look like it has substance, but under a second of thought it turns out to only look like it.

On March 24 2016 09:04 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2016 09:01 Kurumi wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:59 LightningStrike wrote:
So Kurumi any other thoughts you want to share?

People should slow the hell down, I am astonished with the role talking and people manage to create another page of it.
I see nothing wrong with Superbia's early vote on gumshoe.
When did sicklucker say anything about gumshoe? He has vote on him and no posts to back it up.

Show nested quote +
On March 24 2016 08:07 sicklucker wrote:
I also agree that talking about slam is very scummy. I have never really tried to read him esp this early!

It was a indirect reference.

Thanks. Still, out of gumshoe's terrible post he decides that talking about Slam is the biggest indicator of gumshoe being scum? Where's the explanation sicklucker?! I disagree that talking about Slam is an indicator of being scum (in this case) - the way gumshoe has talked about Slam is an indicator of being scum. Huge difference.
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Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
March 24 2016 00:19 GMT
#249
I'm okay with the other posts.
Minimal effort.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 24 2016 00:20 GMT
#250
On March 24 2016 09:15 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2016 09:12 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 24 2016 09:11 gumshoe wrote:
On March 24 2016 09:04 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 24 2016 09:01 Kurumi wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:59 LightningStrike wrote:
So Kurumi any other thoughts you want to share?

People should slow the hell down, I am astonished with the role talking and people manage to create another page of it.
I see nothing wrong with Superbia's early vote on gumshoe.
When did sicklucker say anything about gumshoe? He has vote on him and no posts to back it up.

On March 24 2016 08:07 sicklucker wrote:
I also agree that talking about slam is very scummy. I have never really tried to read him esp this early!

It was a indirect reference.


and of course the fishy bit of assuming why someone was making an acusation and passing off that assumption as fact / :
perhaps fishing for the actual reasoning or trying to come off as a kindred mind. It's quite peculiar to me.

50 50 scum for sure.

50 50 scum on me or sicklucker? It was a post referencing you indirectly by sicklucker.


I know, I was refrencing sicklucker.

I think it's bizzare that your defending me with us having never played together before 0_0 a rare ocaison indeed. I would award townie points but hard to be objective about potential pocket monsters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-lEahV5Q_o

You mean pokemon(i know it's pocket monsters in japan but it doesn't settle well with the US kids stations). Also I am kinda warming up to you a little bit but found your first post odd that was all.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
March 24 2016 00:20 GMT
#251
To elaborate: I disliked kurumi's opening but the follow up seems fine.
Minimal effort.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 24 2016 00:21 GMT
#252
On March 24 2016 09:16 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2016 09:04 gumshoe wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:52 Kurumi wrote:
On March 24 2016 07:13 Koshi wrote:
Confirmed Town
+ Show Spoiler +

Likely Town
+ Show Spoiler +

Maybe town
+ Show Spoiler +

Not going to lynch Town
+ Show Spoiler +

Null
+ Show Spoiler +
VayneAuthority
Kurumi
Stutters695
Damdred
sandroba
ObiWanShinobi
Rels
justanothertownie
Tictock
ritoky
sicklucker
Alakaslam
Tumblewood
Shapelog
Vivax
rsoultin
LightningStrike
Superbia
Tubesock
gumshoe

Won't lynch right now Mafia
+ Show Spoiler +

Maybe Mafia
+ Show Spoiler +

Likely Mafia
+ Show Spoiler +

Confirmed Mafia
+ Show Spoiler +


What was the meaning of this post? What the hell is "Won't lynch right now Mafia" - is there any case where you don't lynch a Mafia I am missing? Why do you need the "Confirmed" spoiler if the confirmation comes from the host through flips and the updated player list? Is the reason you made that list is that Mafia has a cheatsheet for shots? Nothing good can come from this. I highly dislike this type of lists, especially that you have not commented on what is going to happen with it.

On March 24 2016 07:53 gumshoe wrote:
Maybe I've missed an evolution somewhere along the line but slam seems to be actually trying as opposed to just flaunting his usual semi troll trot. Which isn't a point I'm going to level against him cause wow that would just be bad, but is of note for better or worse. Damdred is of course fishing as one would expect of ether side, words like interesting are rather neutral. A call to arms is also fairly vague, clearly he has notions of how peeps react to something like that, or mabs he's willing to play it by ear. His post feels cautious and calculated few words as it may be. Which could be scummy depending on his meta ( never played with him ) seems intelligent regardless. Parabola sounds like he just doesn't wanna get anyone on his tail but still wants to appear to be a present and beloved member of town. Could be scums, could just be excited to play, maybe he's bieng light to try to attract heat for said lightness thereby kick starting stuff. Multiple personalities can be envisioned from the posts so far, but there is no real leaning towards good or evil. As one would expect a page in to a game.

TLDR As of yet, nothing worth acting on outside of concert with more proof. TLDR for TLDR stuff is stuff



This post gave me so many rubs in such bad ways that I just can't let it go.
a) The comment on Slam: Not only it's absolutely unnecessary, it ends with "Well, I shouldn't bring it up because it's bad" - so why bother? You know it is bad and you still do it. I mean, I guess you want people to focus on that for some reason, but I'd rather focus on you. Also, if Chezinu Rule is to be trusted, we may have another testament to this.
b) Damdred's fishing. Not only I have not seen anything of that nature till that post, but also we are met with a statement that "fishing is to be expected of either side". Oh boy, no, not at all. Fishing for roles is not something you expect from either side. Fishing is Mafia's job. I highly dislike the attempt to paint it as ambiguous. I also do not understand why would you bring attention to any odd words in a person's post. If that's a crumb, you don't want Mafia to see it. Odd wording - go ahead, it might be a slip. But random, seemingly non-related words? No way.
c) Read on Superbia. Another read straight outta fortune teller. Why would you, gumshoe, try to paint Superbia as suspicious? At the point of posting that, the only thing Superbia has said about himself was that "you should care about him", which pretty much goes contrary to your point about him not wanting anyone on his tail.
d) You end your post saying that it is not really worth much, but you managed to paint Superbia scum, excuse Damdred non-existant fishing and point out that pointing out Slam's behaviour at this stage of the game does more harm than good. You note that people might be excited about something, that they look for something, but you seem not to look for anything. You created a mid-sized post detailing less than a page of a game for nothing, what you admit, but you would not have done that if it really was nothing, so what is your agenda behind that post?


1: There is no real substance insofar in game hence there is no real substance to the post / :
2: I am self admittedly terrible at fishing, every atempt I have made to fish has ended in disaster because the truth is I am natural bait without a modicum of effort and said effort usually casts me too far into the jaws to escape. So I dont fish except on holidays which limits my early game contribtion
3:my post isnt trying to acomplish anything really / : its a look into my thought process which I usually commit to thread as a matter of course.
4: If you think I posted because I felt pressured to post, your not wrong, I want to play and engage with others, not lurk, if what I have to offer on page two of the game isnt up to par, my apologies / : there are no real accusations because there are no evident scum, only thoughts on play and considerations for the future.


1. Then why did you try to make it look like there is any substance to your post?
2. Okay, but how is that a reply to my point about fishing being mafia-sided? Or that you are accusing Damdred of it, while he has not done that?
3. It does seem more of a process of incriminating others than your thought process. I see more accusations in this post than analysis.
4. Fine. There are many ways to enter a game. Making a post like this is not a town-way of entering the game. One this is to be pressured to post, another is to be pressured to post something of substance. Mafia is more prone to feel the second pressure, which I think your post has shown - it might look like it has substance, but under a second of thought it turns out to only look like it.

Show nested quote +
On March 24 2016 09:04 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 24 2016 09:01 Kurumi wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:59 LightningStrike wrote:
So Kurumi any other thoughts you want to share?

People should slow the hell down, I am astonished with the role talking and people manage to create another page of it.
I see nothing wrong with Superbia's early vote on gumshoe.
When did sicklucker say anything about gumshoe? He has vote on him and no posts to back it up.

On March 24 2016 08:07 sicklucker wrote:
I also agree that talking about slam is very scummy. I have never really tried to read him esp this early!

It was a indirect reference.

Thanks. Still, out of gumshoe's terrible post he decides that talking about Slam is the biggest indicator of gumshoe being scum? Where's the explanation sicklucker?! I disagree that talking about Slam is an indicator of being scum (in this case) - the way gumshoe has talked about Slam is an indicator of being scum. Huge difference.

He didn't really give a reason as far I can read although I assuming that gun talking about Slam that way scum indicative hence his vote but otherwise it's odd he never really stated his reason for voting gun.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5185 Posts
March 24 2016 00:23 GMT
#253
On March 24 2016 09:12 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2016 08:58 Shapelog wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:53 Superbia wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:43 Shapelog wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:39 Superbia wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:30 Shapelog wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:20 gumshoe wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:07 sicklucker wrote:
I also agree that talking about slam is very scummy. I have never really tried to read him esp this early!


Who are you agreeing with?

I am guessing it is the guy who voted 1st on you lol.
On March 24 2016 08:20 Superbia wrote:
Opens up with a try-hard post which concludes nothing (feels pressured to show towniness- mafia trait).

Then 180 switch and troll response to my pressure. Shows disingenuous state of mind.

On March 24 2016 08:00 gumshoe wrote:
On March 24 2016 07:59 Superbia wrote:
I encourage everyone to follow my voting pattern this game. Starting with my first vote.

Beetlejuice

That really is not much of a troll response though. It sure is a difference in tone, but not really a troll response (at least IMO). It like he was saying dumbass but in a way that remembers Tim Burton.

What strikes you (or others) heavily as trolly here?


Explain your mindset behind this post.

- Why do you feel a need to defend gumshoe? You have him as null.

- If not defending, why did you make this post? What's the point behind it?

It's soft defending I won't lie.

In that post. I was trying to understand what made you see a troll response. I agreed with you that there is a difference, but i didn't find it quote on quote trolly. I was trying to understand your view on it.

I also made it because you want to discuss things and last game i played in (Noir) Town had a shitty atmosphere.



Do you think it being trolly or not is alignment indicative for anyone in any way?

Yes it does. Especially in your case since you are directly comparing the serious tone from Gumshow to this new "trollish" post.
Unless this was a rhetorical question. I am bad at those.
Why aren't you answering this clearly btw?


I didn't care for the troll part reply really. I disliked his early try-hard post so I pushed on it to see where it went. Made up the "troll" mind-set mismatch as being alignment indicative (it really is not) to give more juice to the push.

- Like SL for joining. (Good townies need to start placing down votes earlier so we can get more information when gum flips or gets checked at some point.) Actually did not get that much info from it.

- It feels kind of hard to evaluate gum's response, feels like pressuring him further will do nothing. Also I start to lose momentum when I pressure people too much because it feels like I'm being an asshole. He starts off leaning mafia for me this game.

- Dislike your soft-defense on gum. You did see through the part that was bullshit so slightly 'yay' for that, but based on the reads list you gave me you shouldn't have been questioning me like that. Rather: you should have had me at null/leaning-mafia and be evaluating me based on the "wait, that's not really trolling" or whatever part you feel is alignment indicative (this is what you're saying you're doing). But you had me as pretty much your towniest person at that point (lean-town, but whatever, pretty much everyone else was lower) even though you seemed to have doubt on my push.

So what was your town-read on me about?

Weird that you would make up something like that IMO. Can slightly understand it thou. Let me answer your question.

My town lean on you came you actually pushing the game forward. You are discussing things and pushing them, and even if i find fault in your push, at least your pushing something. Your creating a good town atmosphere, and granted somethings are off like that troll line, your still actually trying to find information. And while i disagree with some points (like the troll one) i noticed the difference as well, and understood what felt off in the 1st post. But it didn't feel right, so in a attempt to flesh out my read on gumshow and i bit on yours, i asked about it.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
March 24 2016 00:24 GMT
#254
On March 24 2016 09:16 Kurumi wrote:
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On March 24 2016 09:04 gumshoe wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:52 Kurumi wrote:
On March 24 2016 07:13 Koshi wrote:
Confirmed Town
+ Show Spoiler +

Likely Town
+ Show Spoiler +

Maybe town
+ Show Spoiler +

Not going to lynch Town
+ Show Spoiler +

Null
+ Show Spoiler +
VayneAuthority
Kurumi
Stutters695
Damdred
sandroba
ObiWanShinobi
Rels
justanothertownie
Tictock
ritoky
sicklucker
Alakaslam
Tumblewood
Shapelog
Vivax
rsoultin
LightningStrike
Superbia
Tubesock
gumshoe

Won't lynch right now Mafia
+ Show Spoiler +

Maybe Mafia
+ Show Spoiler +

Likely Mafia
+ Show Spoiler +

Confirmed Mafia
+ Show Spoiler +


What was the meaning of this post? What the hell is "Won't lynch right now Mafia" - is there any case where you don't lynch a Mafia I am missing? Why do you need the "Confirmed" spoiler if the confirmation comes from the host through flips and the updated player list? Is the reason you made that list is that Mafia has a cheatsheet for shots? Nothing good can come from this. I highly dislike this type of lists, especially that you have not commented on what is going to happen with it.

On March 24 2016 07:53 gumshoe wrote:
Maybe I've missed an evolution somewhere along the line but slam seems to be actually trying as opposed to just flaunting his usual semi troll trot. Which isn't a point I'm going to level against him cause wow that would just be bad, but is of note for better or worse. Damdred is of course fishing as one would expect of ether side, words like interesting are rather neutral. A call to arms is also fairly vague, clearly he has notions of how peeps react to something like that, or mabs he's willing to play it by ear. His post feels cautious and calculated few words as it may be. Which could be scummy depending on his meta ( never played with him ) seems intelligent regardless. Parabola sounds like he just doesn't wanna get anyone on his tail but still wants to appear to be a present and beloved member of town. Could be scums, could just be excited to play, maybe he's bieng light to try to attract heat for said lightness thereby kick starting stuff. Multiple personalities can be envisioned from the posts so far, but there is no real leaning towards good or evil. As one would expect a page in to a game.

TLDR As of yet, nothing worth acting on outside of concert with more proof. TLDR for TLDR stuff is stuff



This post gave me so many rubs in such bad ways that I just can't let it go.
a) The comment on Slam: Not only it's absolutely unnecessary, it ends with "Well, I shouldn't bring it up because it's bad" - so why bother? You know it is bad and you still do it. I mean, I guess you want people to focus on that for some reason, but I'd rather focus on you. Also, if Chezinu Rule is to be trusted, we may have another testament to this.
b) Damdred's fishing. Not only I have not seen anything of that nature till that post, but also we are met with a statement that "fishing is to be expected of either side". Oh boy, no, not at all. Fishing for roles is not something you expect from either side. Fishing is Mafia's job. I highly dislike the attempt to paint it as ambiguous. I also do not understand why would you bring attention to any odd words in a person's post. If that's a crumb, you don't want Mafia to see it. Odd wording - go ahead, it might be a slip. But random, seemingly non-related words? No way.
c) Read on Superbia. Another read straight outta fortune teller. Why would you, gumshoe, try to paint Superbia as suspicious? At the point of posting that, the only thing Superbia has said about himself was that "you should care about him", which pretty much goes contrary to your point about him not wanting anyone on his tail.
d) You end your post saying that it is not really worth much, but you managed to paint Superbia scum, excuse Damdred non-existant fishing and point out that pointing out Slam's behaviour at this stage of the game does more harm than good. You note that people might be excited about something, that they look for something, but you seem not to look for anything. You created a mid-sized post detailing less than a page of a game for nothing, what you admit, but you would not have done that if it really was nothing, so what is your agenda behind that post?


1: There is no real substance insofar in game hence there is no real substance to the post / :
2: I am self admittedly terrible at fishing, every atempt I have made to fish has ended in disaster because the truth is I am natural bait without a modicum of effort and said effort usually casts me too far into the jaws to escape. So I dont fish except on holidays which limits my early game contribtion
3:my post isnt trying to acomplish anything really / : its a look into my thought process which I usually commit to thread as a matter of course.
4: If you think I posted because I felt pressured to post, your not wrong, I want to play and engage with others, not lurk, if what I have to offer on page two of the game isnt up to par, my apologies / : there are no real accusations because there are no evident scum, only thoughts on play and considerations for the future.


1. Then why did you try to make it look like there is any substance to your post?
2. Okay, but how is that a reply to my point about fishing being mafia-sided? Or that you are accusing Damdred of it, while he has not done that?
3. It does seem more of a process of incriminating others than your thought process. I see more accusations in this post than analysis.
4. Fine. There are many ways to enter a game. Making a post like this is not a town-way of entering the game. One this is to be pressured to post, another is to be pressured to post something of substance. Mafia is more prone to feel the second pressure, which I think your post has shown - it might look like it has substance, but under a second of thought it turns out to only look like it.

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On March 24 2016 09:04 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 24 2016 09:01 Kurumi wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:59 LightningStrike wrote:
So Kurumi any other thoughts you want to share?

People should slow the hell down, I am astonished with the role talking and people manage to create another page of it.
I see nothing wrong with Superbia's early vote on gumshoe.
When did sicklucker say anything about gumshoe? He has vote on him and no posts to back it up.

On March 24 2016 08:07 sicklucker wrote:
I also agree that talking about slam is very scummy. I have never really tried to read him esp this early!

It was a indirect reference.

Thanks. Still, out of gumshoe's terrible post he decides that talking about Slam is the biggest indicator of gumshoe being scum? Where's the explanation sicklucker?! I disagree that talking about Slam is an indicator of being scum (in this case) - the way gumshoe has talked about Slam is an indicator of being scum. Huge difference.


I dont like how your kinda setting up on both sides of the fence (ie it's unlikely me and sick are both scum) feels like your priming a lynch set up / :

as for your points

1: I didnt try, that shit came out in like 40 seconds-a min. All my posts are basically like that / : im not trying to inject substance, thats just my post style regardless of the actual content.

2: early game fishing is neutral as both sides needs information to act. So frankly I disagree with you.

3: you youself said theres no substance, thats because theres very little in the way of acusations. Read it again, I consider there posts from both perspectives, thats all, cant help it if people project / :

4: its my way of entering a game, so my apologies if thats a hindrance.
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
March 24 2016 00:25 GMT
#255
On March 24 2016 09:20 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2016 09:15 gumshoe wrote:
On March 24 2016 09:12 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 24 2016 09:11 gumshoe wrote:
On March 24 2016 09:04 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 24 2016 09:01 Kurumi wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:59 LightningStrike wrote:
So Kurumi any other thoughts you want to share?

People should slow the hell down, I am astonished with the role talking and people manage to create another page of it.
I see nothing wrong with Superbia's early vote on gumshoe.
When did sicklucker say anything about gumshoe? He has vote on him and no posts to back it up.

On March 24 2016 08:07 sicklucker wrote:
I also agree that talking about slam is very scummy. I have never really tried to read him esp this early!

It was a indirect reference.


and of course the fishy bit of assuming why someone was making an acusation and passing off that assumption as fact / :
perhaps fishing for the actual reasoning or trying to come off as a kindred mind. It's quite peculiar to me.

50 50 scum for sure.

50 50 scum on me or sicklucker? It was a post referencing you indirectly by sicklucker.


I know, I was refrencing sicklucker.

I think it's bizzare that your defending me with us having never played together before 0_0 a rare ocaison indeed. I would award townie points but hard to be objective about potential pocket monsters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-lEahV5Q_o

You mean pokemon(i know it's pocket monsters in japan but it doesn't settle well with the US kids stations). Also I am
Show nested quote +
kinda warming up to you a little bit but found your first post odd that was all.


story of mah thug life.
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
March 24 2016 00:25 GMT
#256
On March 24 2016 09:23 Shapelog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2016 09:12 Superbia wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:58 Shapelog wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:53 Superbia wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:43 Shapelog wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:39 Superbia wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:30 Shapelog wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:20 gumshoe wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:07 sicklucker wrote:
I also agree that talking about slam is very scummy. I have never really tried to read him esp this early!


Who are you agreeing with?

I am guessing it is the guy who voted 1st on you lol.
On March 24 2016 08:20 Superbia wrote:
Opens up with a try-hard post which concludes nothing (feels pressured to show towniness- mafia trait).

Then 180 switch and troll response to my pressure. Shows disingenuous state of mind.

On March 24 2016 08:00 gumshoe wrote:
On March 24 2016 07:59 Superbia wrote:
I encourage everyone to follow my voting pattern this game. Starting with my first vote.

Beetlejuice

That really is not much of a troll response though. It sure is a difference in tone, but not really a troll response (at least IMO). It like he was saying dumbass but in a way that remembers Tim Burton.

What strikes you (or others) heavily as trolly here?


Explain your mindset behind this post.

- Why do you feel a need to defend gumshoe? You have him as null.

- If not defending, why did you make this post? What's the point behind it?

It's soft defending I won't lie.

In that post. I was trying to understand what made you see a troll response. I agreed with you that there is a difference, but i didn't find it quote on quote trolly. I was trying to understand your view on it.

I also made it because you want to discuss things and last game i played in (Noir) Town had a shitty atmosphere.



Do you think it being trolly or not is alignment indicative for anyone in any way?

Yes it does. Especially in your case since you are directly comparing the serious tone from Gumshow to this new "trollish" post.
Unless this was a rhetorical question. I am bad at those.
Why aren't you answering this clearly btw?


I didn't care for the troll part reply really. I disliked his early try-hard post so I pushed on it to see where it went. Made up the "troll" mind-set mismatch as being alignment indicative (it really is not) to give more juice to the push.

- Like SL for joining. (Good townies need to start placing down votes earlier so we can get more information when gum flips or gets checked at some point.) Actually did not get that much info from it.

- It feels kind of hard to evaluate gum's response, feels like pressuring him further will do nothing. Also I start to lose momentum when I pressure people too much because it feels like I'm being an asshole. He starts off leaning mafia for me this game.

- Dislike your soft-defense on gum. You did see through the part that was bullshit so slightly 'yay' for that, but based on the reads list you gave me you shouldn't have been questioning me like that. Rather: you should have had me at null/leaning-mafia and be evaluating me based on the "wait, that's not really trolling" or whatever part you feel is alignment indicative (this is what you're saying you're doing). But you had me as pretty much your towniest person at that point (lean-town, but whatever, pretty much everyone else was lower) even though you seemed to have doubt on my push.

So what was your town-read on me about?

Weird that you would make up something like that IMO. Can slightly understand it thou. Let me answer your question.

My town lean on you came you actually pushing the game forward. You are discussing things and pushing them, and even if i find fault in your push, at least your pushing something. Your creating a good town atmosphere, and granted somethings are off like that troll line, your still actually trying to find information. And while i disagree with some points (like the troll one) i noticed the difference as well, and understood what felt off in the 1st post. But it didn't feel right, so in a attempt to flesh out my read on gumshow and i bit on yours, i asked about it.


Meh. I really wanted to call you mafia.

Any new thoughts so far?
Minimal effort.
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5185 Posts
March 24 2016 00:26 GMT
#257
I hate allergy. Fucking coughing up Mucus.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
March 24 2016 00:26 GMT
#258
On the plus side I have some decent town-leans.
Minimal effort.
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
March 24 2016 00:29 GMT
#259
Kurumi is mah top scum read atm. She joined mah wagon around when it was safe, and started prodding at an established weakness with hightened prejudice. Sounds kinda like a basket arrangment of lynch choices, makes me doubt my initial suspiciun of super.
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
March 24 2016 00:30 GMT
#260
be back later : D have fun
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