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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 23 2016 23:46 GMT
#201
On March 24 2016 08:38 Shapelog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2016 08:28 gumshoe wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:20 Superbia wrote:
Opens up with a try-hard post which concludes nothing (feels pressured to show towniness- mafia trait).

Then 180 switch and troll response to my pressure. Shows disingenuous state of mind.


Beetlejuice!

oks,

1: I ALWAYS open up with a try hard post as town : P I read into a little a lot and a lot a ton. I can provide older posts of mine regarding this point / : (this an argument I have almost every game so its ok im used to it) and if you arent willing to consider my habits as a player, your not doing everything you can to catch scum (or blah blah omgbus as alternative)

2: You gave me a troll question and I gave you a troll answer / :

3: Are you just coming after me cause your bored and feel something needs to happen cause mafia? Or do you genuinely value your own ideals of what scumminess is (ie try hard) over the reality of how each individual actually plays?


Really do not care for self meta or meta in general. I look at database thou.
LS didn't help my likeness for meta.

3 sounds semi-attackish based off tone.

Don't meta to hard or you will end up like me(granted I might use some meta on occasions atm but I slowly trying to stop using meta)
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 23 2016 23:47 GMT
#202
On March 24 2016 08:45 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2016 08:21 Superbia wrote:
Ritoky come out of the shadows and show me your true colours.


damdred is probably not VT, burgeoning on almost certainly not. you might be VT.

Hmm the bolded seems kinda weird. Why can't he be VT?
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
March 23 2016 23:47 GMT
#203
On March 24 2016 08:44 LightningStrike wrote:
Also Superbia is super tryhard this game I think this like a first unless he did the same thing in Titanic I Had a Cunning Plan but I liking it so far although I don't agree with such a early vote.


+ Show Spoiler +
Plammar wrote:
This is a hard setup. It's not forgiving for any faction. Mistakes, disinterest and general incompetence can lead to a quick victory for either side. The game might even feel unbalanced if one side screws up too hard. The game has been balanced carefully, and will be re-evaluated a few times once we have the final player count.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
March 23 2016 23:47 GMT
#204
On March 24 2016 08:45 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2016 08:21 Superbia wrote:
Ritoky come out of the shadows and show me your true colours.


damdred is probably not VT, burgeoning on almost certainly not. you might be VT.


I am not VT.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
March 23 2016 23:48 GMT
#205
Probably.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
March 23 2016 23:48 GMT
#206
On March 24 2016 08:45 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2016 08:21 Superbia wrote:
Ritoky come out of the shadows and show me your true colours.


damdred is probably not VT, burgeoning on almost certainly not. you might be VT.


What about the others?
Minimal effort.
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
March 23 2016 23:48 GMT
#207
On March 24 2016 08:42 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2016 08:37 gumshoe wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:29 Superbia wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:28 gumshoe wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:20 Superbia wrote:
Opens up with a try-hard post which concludes nothing (feels pressured to show towniness- mafia trait).

Then 180 switch and troll response to my pressure. Shows disingenuous state of mind.


Beetlejuice!

oks,

1: I ALWAYS open up with a try hard post as town : P I read into a little a lot and a lot a ton. I can provide older posts of mine regarding this point / : (this an argument I have almost every game so its ok im used to it) and if you arent willing to consider my habits as a player, your not doing everything you can to catch scum (or blah blah omgbus as alternative)

2: You gave me a troll question and I gave you a troll answer / :

3: Are you just coming after me cause your bored and feel something needs to happen cause mafia? Or do you genuinely value your own ideals of what scumminess is (ie try hard) over the reality of how each individual actually plays?



Do you think I'm town?


Well you wanted to get the game started, which is a baseline townie mind set, casting the first vote this early when evi is pretty vague and your case is fairly shallow implies a fair share of courage, as you could easily be jumped on for a weak case this early. Which if your town you could even want as that helps you find scum potentially.

You also seem to care what I think (at least seemingly) which isnt what scum trying to bury a townie early would want.

From a scum perspective its a big play and heat you dont need. Your experienced so this would be borderline reckless mastery rather than blunder. Last game I was in had a spymaster but he was rather timid early and overall that case seems far less likely from a perspective of ideal play.

TLDR your probs town / :


Okay. Did you reach this conclusion before you made the first post in this quote chain?

This one
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 24 2016 08:28 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2016 08:20 Superbia wrote:
Opens up with a try-hard post which concludes nothing (feels pressured to show towniness- mafia trait).

Then 180 switch and troll response to my pressure. Shows disingenuous state of mind.


Beetlejuice!

oks,

1: I ALWAYS open up with a try hard post as town : P I read into a little a lot and a lot a ton. I can provide older posts of mine regarding this point / : (this an argument I have almost every game so its ok im used to it) and if you arent willing to consider my habits as a player, your not doing everything you can to catch scum (or blah blah omgbus as alternative)

2: You gave me a troll question and I gave you a troll answer / :

3: Are you just coming after me cause your bored and feel something needs to happen cause mafia? Or do you genuinely value your own ideals of what scumminess is (ie try hard) over the reality of how each individual actually plays?




Not really? That post was an emotional one, not logical. I usually respond very early to insults/accusations and get caught up in them so this game I made a rule where I would wait for at least three accusations (ie beetlejuice) and in the meantime look elsewhere for clues(damdreds history in this case). That response was sort of just me chomping on the bit wanting to get mah piece out there / : I regarded you as hostile null at the time of it. Only when you asked me specifically what I imagined about you did I gather my thoughts and come to what I deemed an impartial conclusion.
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 23 2016 23:48 GMT
#208
On March 24 2016 08:47 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2016 08:44 LightningStrike wrote:
Also Superbia is super tryhard this game I think this like a first unless he did the same thing in Titanic I Had a Cunning Plan but I liking it so far although I don't agree with such a early vote.


+ Show Spoiler +
Plammar wrote:
This is a hard setup. It's not forgiving for any faction. Mistakes, disinterest and general incompetence can lead to a quick victory for either side. The game might even feel unbalanced if one side screws up too hard. The game has been balanced carefully, and will be re-evaluated a few times once we have the final player count.

Okay so you want to try hard because of that?
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
March 23 2016 23:49 GMT
#209
On March 24 2016 08:48 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2016 08:47 Superbia wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:44 LightningStrike wrote:
Also Superbia is super tryhard this game I think this like a first unless he did the same thing in Titanic I Had a Cunning Plan but I liking it so far although I don't agree with such a early vote.


+ Show Spoiler +
Plammar wrote:
This is a hard setup. It's not forgiving for any faction. Mistakes, disinterest and general incompetence can lead to a quick victory for either side. The game might even feel unbalanced if one side screws up too hard. The game has been balanced carefully, and will be re-evaluated a few times once we have the final player count.

Okay so you want to try hard because of that?


Kinda sparked me. :D
Minimal effort.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
March 23 2016 23:49 GMT
#210
On March 24 2016 08:20 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2016 08:07 sicklucker wrote:
I also agree that talking about slam is very scummy. I have never really tried to read him esp this early!


Who are you agreeing with?


the best player imo

+ Show Spoiler +
myself
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 23 2016 23:50 GMT
#211
On March 24 2016 08:47 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2016 08:45 ritoky wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:21 Superbia wrote:
Ritoky come out of the shadows and show me your true colours.


damdred is probably not VT, burgeoning on almost certainly not. you might be VT.


I am not VT.

Why claim not VT? Seems kinda dumb.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
March 23 2016 23:51 GMT
#212
On March 24 2016 08:48 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2016 08:42 Superbia wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:37 gumshoe wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:29 Superbia wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:28 gumshoe wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:20 Superbia wrote:
Opens up with a try-hard post which concludes nothing (feels pressured to show towniness- mafia trait).

Then 180 switch and troll response to my pressure. Shows disingenuous state of mind.


Beetlejuice!

oks,

1: I ALWAYS open up with a try hard post as town : P I read into a little a lot and a lot a ton. I can provide older posts of mine regarding this point / : (this an argument I have almost every game so its ok im used to it) and if you arent willing to consider my habits as a player, your not doing everything you can to catch scum (or blah blah omgbus as alternative)

2: You gave me a troll question and I gave you a troll answer / :

3: Are you just coming after me cause your bored and feel something needs to happen cause mafia? Or do you genuinely value your own ideals of what scumminess is (ie try hard) over the reality of how each individual actually plays?



Do you think I'm town?


Well you wanted to get the game started, which is a baseline townie mind set, casting the first vote this early when evi is pretty vague and your case is fairly shallow implies a fair share of courage, as you could easily be jumped on for a weak case this early. Which if your town you could even want as that helps you find scum potentially.

You also seem to care what I think (at least seemingly) which isnt what scum trying to bury a townie early would want.

From a scum perspective its a big play and heat you dont need. Your experienced so this would be borderline reckless mastery rather than blunder. Last game I was in had a spymaster but he was rather timid early and overall that case seems far less likely from a perspective of ideal play.

TLDR your probs town / :


Okay. Did you reach this conclusion before you made the first post in this quote chain?

This one
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 24 2016 08:28 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2016 08:20 Superbia wrote:
Opens up with a try-hard post which concludes nothing (feels pressured to show towniness- mafia trait).

Then 180 switch and troll response to my pressure. Shows disingenuous state of mind.


Beetlejuice!

oks,

1: I ALWAYS open up with a try hard post as town : P I read into a little a lot and a lot a ton. I can provide older posts of mine regarding this point / : (this an argument I have almost every game so its ok im used to it) and if you arent willing to consider my habits as a player, your not doing everything you can to catch scum (or blah blah omgbus as alternative)

2: You gave me a troll question and I gave you a troll answer / :

3: Are you just coming after me cause your bored and feel something needs to happen cause mafia? Or do you genuinely value your own ideals of what scumminess is (ie try hard) over the reality of how each individual actually plays?




Not really? That post was an emotional one, not logical. I usually respond very early to insults/accusations and get caught up in them so this game I made a rule where I would wait for at least three accusations (ie beetlejuice) and in the meantime look elsewhere for clues(damdreds history in this case). That response was sort of just me chomping on the bit wanting to get mah piece out there / : I regarded you as hostile null at the time of it. Only when you asked me specifically what I imagined about you did I gather my thoughts and come to what I deemed an impartial conclusion.


I am conflicted. 3: Are you just coming after me cause your bored and feel something needs to happen cause mafia? Or do you genuinely value your own ideals of what scumminess is (ie try hard) over the reality of how each individual actually plays? is straight up thought process evaluation from the POV where I'm town.

How is this possible when you had no town read on me yet?
Minimal effort.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
March 23 2016 23:51 GMT
#213
On March 24 2016 08:31 LightningStrike wrote:
Superbia don't you think it's a little early for a vote?
Also I had decided to explore the TL Database and long a behold gumshoe is a vet O_o


mafia..

maybe..

50/50
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
March 23 2016 23:51 GMT
#214
On March 24 2016 08:50 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2016 08:47 Superbia wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:45 ritoky wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:21 Superbia wrote:
Ritoky come out of the shadows and show me your true colours.


damdred is probably not VT, burgeoning on almost certainly not. you might be VT.


I am not VT.

Why claim not VT? Seems kinda dumb.


Might still be VT. But I'm claiming I'm not.
Minimal effort.
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
March 23 2016 23:52 GMT
#215
On March 24 2016 08:46 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2016 08:38 Shapelog wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:28 gumshoe wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:20 Superbia wrote:
Opens up with a try-hard post which concludes nothing (feels pressured to show towniness- mafia trait).

Then 180 switch and troll response to my pressure. Shows disingenuous state of mind.


Beetlejuice!

oks,

1: I ALWAYS open up with a try hard post as town : P I read into a little a lot and a lot a ton. I can provide older posts of mine regarding this point / : (this an argument I have almost every game so its ok im used to it) and if you arent willing to consider my habits as a player, your not doing everything you can to catch scum (or blah blah omgbus as alternative)

2: You gave me a troll question and I gave you a troll answer / :

3: Are you just coming after me cause your bored and feel something needs to happen cause mafia? Or do you genuinely value your own ideals of what scumminess is (ie try hard) over the reality of how each individual actually plays?


Really do not care for self meta or meta in general. I look at database thou.
LS didn't help my likeness for meta.

3 sounds semi-attackish based off tone.

Don't meta to hard or you will end up like me(granted I might use some meta on occasions atm but I slowly trying to stop using meta)

But i don't really use meta........
Glad though i sucked up and started to read one of Gumshows scum games. Post about his clan war thingy was funny,
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
March 23 2016 23:52 GMT
#216
On March 24 2016 07:13 Koshi wrote:
Confirmed Town
+ Show Spoiler +

Likely Town
+ Show Spoiler +

Maybe town
+ Show Spoiler +

Not going to lynch Town
+ Show Spoiler +

Null
+ Show Spoiler +
VayneAuthority
Kurumi
Stutters695
Damdred
sandroba
ObiWanShinobi
Rels
justanothertownie
Tictock
ritoky
sicklucker
Alakaslam
Tumblewood
Shapelog
Vivax
rsoultin
LightningStrike
Superbia
Tubesock
gumshoe

Won't lynch right now Mafia
+ Show Spoiler +

Maybe Mafia
+ Show Spoiler +

Likely Mafia
+ Show Spoiler +

Confirmed Mafia
+ Show Spoiler +


What was the meaning of this post? What the hell is "Won't lynch right now Mafia" - is there any case where you don't lynch a Mafia I am missing? Why do you need the "Confirmed" spoiler if the confirmation comes from the host through flips and the updated player list? Is the reason you made that list is that Mafia has a cheatsheet for shots? Nothing good can come from this. I highly dislike this type of lists, especially that you have not commented on what is going to happen with it.

On March 24 2016 07:53 gumshoe wrote:
Maybe I've missed an evolution somewhere along the line but slam seems to be actually trying as opposed to just flaunting his usual semi troll trot. Which isn't a point I'm going to level against him cause wow that would just be bad, but is of note for better or worse. Damdred is of course fishing as one would expect of ether side, words like interesting are rather neutral. A call to arms is also fairly vague, clearly he has notions of how peeps react to something like that, or mabs he's willing to play it by ear. His post feels cautious and calculated few words as it may be. Which could be scummy depending on his meta ( never played with him ) seems intelligent regardless. Parabola sounds like he just doesn't wanna get anyone on his tail but still wants to appear to be a present and beloved member of town. Could be scums, could just be excited to play, maybe he's bieng light to try to attract heat for said lightness thereby kick starting stuff. Multiple personalities can be envisioned from the posts so far, but there is no real leaning towards good or evil. As one would expect a page in to a game.

TLDR As of yet, nothing worth acting on outside of concert with more proof. TLDR for TLDR stuff is stuff



This post gave me so many rubs in such bad ways that I just can't let it go.
a) The comment on Slam: Not only it's absolutely unnecessary, it ends with "Well, I shouldn't bring it up because it's bad" - so why bother? You know it is bad and you still do it. I mean, I guess you want people to focus on that for some reason, but I'd rather focus on you. Also, if Chezinu Rule is to be trusted, we may have another testament to this.
b) Damdred's fishing. Not only I have not seen anything of that nature till that post, but also we are met with a statement that "fishing is to be expected of either side". Oh boy, no, not at all. Fishing for roles is not something you expect from either side. Fishing is Mafia's job. I highly dislike the attempt to paint it as ambiguous. I also do not understand why would you bring attention to any odd words in a person's post. If that's a crumb, you don't want Mafia to see it. Odd wording - go ahead, it might be a slip. But random, seemingly non-related words? No way.
c) Read on Superbia. Another read straight outta fortune teller. Why would you, gumshoe, try to paint Superbia as suspicious? At the point of posting that, the only thing Superbia has said about himself was that "you should care about him", which pretty much goes contrary to your point about him not wanting anyone on his tail.
d) You end your post saying that it is not really worth much, but you managed to paint Superbia scum, excuse Damdred non-existant fishing and point out that pointing out Slam's behaviour at this stage of the game does more harm than good. You note that people might be excited about something, that they look for something, but you seem not to look for anything. You created a mid-sized post detailing less than a page of a game for nothing, what you admit, but you would not have done that if it really was nothing, so what is your agenda behind that post?
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
March 23 2016 23:52 GMT
#217
On March 24 2016 08:51 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2016 08:50 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:47 Superbia wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:45 ritoky wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:21 Superbia wrote:
Ritoky come out of the shadows and show me your true colours.


damdred is probably not VT, burgeoning on almost certainly not. you might be VT.


I am not VT.

Why claim not VT? Seems kinda dumb.


Might still be VT. But I'm claiming I'm not.

You didn't answer the question...
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
March 23 2016 23:53 GMT
#218
On March 24 2016 08:43 Shapelog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2016 08:39 Superbia wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:30 Shapelog wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:20 gumshoe wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:07 sicklucker wrote:
I also agree that talking about slam is very scummy. I have never really tried to read him esp this early!


Who are you agreeing with?

I am guessing it is the guy who voted 1st on you lol.
On March 24 2016 08:20 Superbia wrote:
Opens up with a try-hard post which concludes nothing (feels pressured to show towniness- mafia trait).

Then 180 switch and troll response to my pressure. Shows disingenuous state of mind.

On March 24 2016 08:00 gumshoe wrote:
On March 24 2016 07:59 Superbia wrote:
I encourage everyone to follow my voting pattern this game. Starting with my first vote.

Beetlejuice

That really is not much of a troll response though. It sure is a difference in tone, but not really a troll response (at least IMO). It like he was saying dumbass but in a way that remembers Tim Burton.

What strikes you (or others) heavily as trolly here?


Explain your mindset behind this post.

- Why do you feel a need to defend gumshoe? You have him as null.

- If not defending, why did you make this post? What's the point behind it?

It's soft defending I won't lie.

In that post. I was trying to understand what made you see a troll response. I agreed with you that there is a difference, but i didn't find it quote on quote trolly. I was trying to understand your view on it.

I also made it because you want to discuss things and last game i played in (Noir) Town had a shitty atmosphere.



Do you think it being trolly or not is alignment indicative for anyone in any way?
Minimal effort.
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
March 23 2016 23:53 GMT
#219
On March 24 2016 08:51 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2016 08:50 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:47 Superbia wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:45 ritoky wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:21 Superbia wrote:
Ritoky come out of the shadows and show me your true colours.


damdred is probably not VT, burgeoning on almost certainly not. you might be VT.


I am not VT.

Why claim not VT? Seems kinda dumb.


Might still be VT. But I'm claiming I'm not.

No role discussion, unless you are Scum and are benefiting from it, damn you! Ritoky, why bring VT thing in the thread?!
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
March 23 2016 23:54 GMT
#220
On March 24 2016 08:52 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2016 08:51 Superbia wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:50 LightningStrike wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:47 Superbia wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:45 ritoky wrote:
On March 24 2016 08:21 Superbia wrote:
Ritoky come out of the shadows and show me your true colours.


damdred is probably not VT, burgeoning on almost certainly not. you might be VT.


I am not VT.

Why claim not VT? Seems kinda dumb.


Might still be VT. But I'm claiming I'm not.

You didn't answer the question...


It's a dumb question. Here is my answer:
Minimal effort.
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